| tiwake | is there an ad blocker for the sailfishOS web browser? | 01:31 |
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| coderus | hosts | 06:47 |
| Tegu | weird, the sailfish update downloads super slowly and the speed drops to zero often | 09:28 |
| Tegu | there are brief moments where it's faster but the it falls back to 0 or something like <100 kBps | 09:28 |
| Tegu | often <50 kBps | 09:29 |
| r0kk3rz | i find it goes significantly quicker if you keep the screen on | 09:34 |
| Tegu | really? I'll disable automatic screen closing then | 09:35 |
| r0kk3rz | i suspect its dutifully going to sleep | 09:38 |
| phlixi_o | a few days after the release (so not during the first rush!) i did the update on the Jolla1 and the JC, and the download took several hours | 09:39 |
| mal | some devices do slow down network a lot if device decides to suspend | 09:39 |
| phlixi_o | once i located my tablet, i will check whether the download is faster if i keep the display on | 09:40 |
| phlixi_o | i thought its just abysmal servers | 09:40 |
| phlixi_o | i can not remember any earlier updates took that long to download | 09:41 |
| mal | for me update downloads haven't been very slow | 09:41 |
| Tegu | I just upgraded to Mouhijoki and it downloaded very slowly as well | 09:43 |
| Tegu | (that is, from 2.1.4 to 2.2.0. looks like Nurmonjoki 2.2.1 was skipped now as it is downloading 3.0.0) | 09:44 |
| Tegu | had to upgrade on command line with these instructions, btw https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005795474-Installing-an-OS-update-fails-download-worked- | 09:45 |
| Tegu | 3.0 is installing and at least now it seems to upgrade normally (so far) as the progress bar is visibble and keeps growing | 10:04 |
| Tegu | success \o/ | 10:34 |
| Tegu | weird, FingerTerm has vibration on keypress now although I have it disabled in ~/.config/Fingerterm/settings.ini (keyPressFeedback=false) | 10:40 |
| inz | Tegu, https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/fingerterm/commit/5d2464cbb9fd91efb795df86d276dd56471fd5ce ? | 10:50 |
| Tegu | inz: oh thanks! that was it. just had to change Press to Release | 11:16 |
| Tegu | interesting. Gecko in sailfish browser is still in version 38 | 11:29 |
| phlixi_o | jolla gave up on the browser | 11:33 |
| phlixi_o | there was a heated discussion in the last meeting | 11:34 |
| Nicd- | oh? | 11:34 |
| tadzik | this would've been fine if you could change the default browser | 11:34 |
| phlixi_o | merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2018/mer-meeting.2018-11-15-09.00.log.html#l-43 | 11:37 |
| phlixi_o | of course there is no official "we abandonned the browser", but to me its pretty obvious | 11:38 |
| r0kk3rz | they didnt give up, they just asked for community participation on qtwebengine | 11:39 |
| r0kk3rz | which afaik, webengine is quite basic in the features it offers | 11:39 |
| Tegu | huh, fingerterm opens links in webcat | 11:39 |
| r0kk3rz | you can set the xdg-opener thing | 11:40 |
| phlixi_o | [2018-11-15 10:09:00] <@Jaymzz> #info Jolla CEO hinted the community to help with the browser. That woulb be possible if the community can get access to the QtWebEngine builds of the customers. The community can build a browser around it and make it easier for Jolla to decide if they keep the Gecko browser or move to a Chromium based one. | 11:42 |
| Nicd- | if I'm reading that mer-meeting right, they took the browser thing up as a meeting point but didn't bother bringing anyone from Jolla's side that knows anything about the browser? | 11:42 |
| phlixi_o | Nicd- the "info" has it all | 11:42 |
| phlixi_o | everything is visible, but nothing can be seen, convoluted for "we do nothing" | 11:43 |
| phlixi_o | also notice, that (not sure how it is exactly called) this gecko embedded thingy does no longer exist | 11:44 |
| phlixi_o | so an update is prettymuch a new browser | 11:44 |
| Nicd- | at least they can tick off the box "talk about browser with community" :P | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | without having to do anything, double win | 11:46 |
| phlixi_o | i am not sure, but afair the current browser is pretty much the only update the browser ever had since there very first release of sfos | 11:47 |
| phlixi_o | so it came in version x in 2013, and there one update, which was the version we have now | 11:48 |
| Nicd- | damn FF 38 is from 2015 | 11:48 |
| phlixi_o | and yes, there might have been some minor thingy inbetween, but they basically grabbed a snapshot of this embedded gecko thingy and ported it | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | the gecko embedding api has been long dead | 11:50 |
| phlixi_o | once for the first release, and once with the gecko 38 | 11:50 |
| phlixi_o | yes, as i mentioned above | 11:50 |
| r0kk3rz | longer than you seem to think | 11:50 |
| phlixi_o | [2018-11-19 12:44:06] <phlixi_o> also notice, that (not sure how it is exactly called) this gecko embedded thingy does no longer exist | 11:50 |
| phlixi_o | no | 11:50 |
| phlixi_o | its dead for ages | 11:51 |
| phlixi_o | i was actually quite surprised when the build the 38based sfos browser. it was dead back then already | 11:51 |
| phlixi_o | and also clear from the roadmaps that this has no future | 11:51 |
| r0kk3rz | its becoming harder the more internal work FF do yeah | 11:52 |
| r0kk3rz | qtwebengine will be limited, but maybe have more of a future | 11:52 |
| phlixi_o | i basically sqitched toi the firefox version from fdroid... | 11:52 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah same | 11:52 |
| phlixi_o | switched* | 11:52 |
| phlixi_o | ...fennec | 11:53 |
| phlixi_o | i wonder how long this will work, as AD is getting outdated | 11:53 |
| phlixi_o | Firefox Focus for example needs Android 5 at least | 11:53 |
| phlixi_o | i understand building a browser is a major effort (and maintaining it even more). from that i conclude: jolla has given up | 11:55 |
| phlixi_o | in german there is a saying for that, "den kopf in den sand stecken" (to put the head into the sand, like an ostrich) | 11:56 |
| Tegu | and there should be a way to upgrade the browser in between OS updates | 12:04 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, its just an app | 12:05 |
| phlixi_o | well | 12:13 |
| phlixi_o | an update with every os update would be so much better than the current state (basically the browser wont get any more updates ever, besides maybe some tiny hack, but no update of the engine), and even in an alternate reality where the browser would be updated with every os update... even then i would argue, that a system webview etc, is aktually a litle bit more than just a normal app | 12:15 |
| phlixi_o | but in this theoretical dream reality, sure, there should be frequent updates^^ | 12:16 |
| phlixi_o | ...but in this dream dimension, there also would be an os update every month, so for convinience, the update would be alinged, like ms patchday :) | 12:17 |
| caitlin | but less deleting your homedir? | 12:43 |
| phlixi_o | lol | 13:08 |
| phlixi_o | to be fair, that happens with upgrade, not patchday | 13:09 |
| phlixi_o | also my custom ambience is gone, so there you have the analogon :D | 13:11 |
| Tegu | hmm, I cannot ping anymore as it says "permission denied". let's have a little look on the changelogs | 14:57 |
| Tegu | this came in 2.2.0 but I only stayed on it for a short while waiting for 3.0 download | 14:58 |
| coderus | Permissions restricted | 15:09 |
| Tegu | interesting. I didn't even know that it's possible to restrict pinging (and traceroute as well, it seems). that's definitely good to keep in mind | 15:36 |
| jkt | hi there, I just bought and flashed an XA2, and it mostly works so far, so I wanted to say thank you :) | 17:30 |
| jkt | there's one glitch, my caldav & carddav servers are using CACert | 17:30 |
| jkt | is there a way to add these to the systemwide cert store? | 17:31 |
| Nicd- | can it use letsencrypt instead? | 17:40 |
| jkt | Nicd-: it's on RHEL6, and letsencrypt is kinda painful to get working there | 17:44 |
| Nicd- | how so? | 17:45 |
| jkt | anyway, https://together.jolla.com/question/2949/where-can-i-add-a-system-ca-certificate/ did the trick (I tried it in another dir before, my bad) | 17:45 |
| jkt | Nicd-: old python and certbot did not play together that well when I tried to deploy it | 17:46 |
| Nicd- | I use acme.sh: https://github.com/Neilpang/acme.sh | 17:46 |
| Nicd- | it runs in bash | 17:46 |
| ender| | i use dehydrated for let's encrypt - it's also a bash script: https://github.com/lukas2511/dehydrated | 17:48 |
| jkt | btw, opening http://lupa.cz/ appears to OOM the browser here | 17:48 |
| jkt | is there a way around that? | 17:48 |
| pahartik | jkt: 'user_pref("permissions.default.image", 2);' and 'user_pref("javascript.enabled", false);', browser did not crash on my "Sailfish X" | 17:57 |
| jkt | pahartik: that's saying that you have image loading disabled and JS disabled, is that right? | 18:00 |
| pahartik | jkt: Correct | 18:01 |
| Nicd- | hehe, what a solution | 18:01 |
| pahartik | Nicd-: On workstation browsers I have same default settings, but there is either plug-in ("Firefox") or built-in ("Chromium") support for whitelist per site | 18:15 |
| Nicd- | I find that too limiting. I have uMatrix to block 3rd party content but allow 1st party | 18:16 |
| Nicd- | then I tweak per site if needed | 18:16 |
| jkt | hmm, that /etc/pki/tls/certs/ thing appears to *override* the systemwide CA store | 18:18 |
| jkt | that's not really something that I want | 18:18 |
| aalmi | Hi | 19:59 |
| aalmi | any help here? | 19:59 |
| aalmi | I'm trying to install Sailfish3 to my XA2 but for some reason fastboot fails | 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | hi | 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: ping | 20:05 |
| EYeA | )01!@ | 20:31 |
| EYeA | hi all | 20:32 |
| EYeA | just upgraded to Sailfish 3 | 20:32 |
| EYeA | on.Jolla | 20:32 |
| abranson | EYeA: you can't just stop with a )01!@. where's the rest? | 20:40 |
| EYeA | )01!@ jolla )0h | 20:42 |
| abranson | \o/ | 20:42 |
| mornfall | i never understood what that's supposed to mean :p | 20:43 |
| EYeA | Jolla | 20:44 |
| EYeA | Yoh | 20:44 |
| mornfall | which means? :) | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz | its EYeAs call card | 20:45 |
| EYeA | my irc tag line | 20:52 |
| teeter | i can't get over that the double l is diffferent characters lol | 21:35 |
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