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| pdanek | Nokia N900 is very nice condition (not new though) | 04:19 |
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| pdanek | For 45 eur | 04:19 |
| pdanek | Is it worth it? | 04:20 |
| rydare | it was a pretty unique device from what i hear | 04:22 |
| rydare | you can do a lot of dev stuff with it iirc, but I'm sure every owner wouldn't turn down a faster processor and better screen like you'd find on a newer device | 04:23 |
| jonwil | I love my N900 and wouldn't downgrade to an iPhone or an Android device :) | 04:24 |
| rydare | oh you still use yours as a daily driver? | 04:24 |
| rydare | discount my testimony greatly, we have someone who has used one! | 04:24 |
| jonwil | Yep | 04:24 |
| jonwil | I very much do | 04:24 |
| rydare | Uses one! | 04:24 |
| rydare | it was released in 2009??? | 04:25 |
| rydare | and it's 2017 now? | 04:25 |
| jonwil | It does all the things I really need it to | 04:26 |
| jonwil | I can use it for calls and SMS. | 04:26 |
| rydare | I can't use anything that has a headphone jack | 04:26 |
| jonwil | I can read my email and many web forums I like to follow | 04:26 |
| rydare | haha just kidding i love my headphone jack | 04:26 |
| rydare | yeah so it still gets the job done for you? | 04:27 |
| rydare | that's nice, I constantly think i need to upgrade to something better | 04:27 |
| pdanek | rydare: I didn't mean to buy it as daily driver of course | 04:29 |
| pdanek | I had N900 twice, long time ago | 04:29 |
| pdanek | I want to buy it and keep it as antique | 04:29 |
| rydare | you europeans have weird antiques | 04:30 |
| pdanek | Wondering if 45 eur is good price | 04:30 |
| pdanek | :D | 04:30 |
| rydare | but i like it | 04:30 |
| rydare | so I will befriend you | 04:30 |
| pdanek | How do you know I'm european? | 04:30 |
| rydare | anyone who had a n900 twice and buying it in Euros must be European! | 04:30 |
| pdanek | :D | 04:30 |
| rydare | we don't get cool phone stuff here in Canada' | 04:30 |
| rydare | we in fact have the biggest BLOODSUCKING alliance of 3 phone carriers here | 04:31 |
| pdanek | Can't you just do pay as you go? | 04:32 |
| rydare | used to be you'd get $20 a month off your bill for bringing your own device, now you'll only get $10 | 04:32 |
| pdanek | And buy unlocked phones | 04:32 |
| rydare | phone bill a month is like $90 | 04:32 |
| pdanek | Oh | 04:32 |
| pdanek | I pay about 50 eur a month | 04:32 |
| pdanek | Pay as you go | 04:32 |
| rydare | mine was like $89.41 with GST | 04:32 |
| rydare | how much data do you get | 04:32 |
| rydare | i get 3GB | 04:32 |
| pdanek | Unlimited data (real unlimited, no hidden fup) | 04:32 |
| pdanek | Unlimited calls and sms | 04:33 |
| rydare | yeah we get that but only in Canada | 04:33 |
| pdanek | And 30GB data in other EU countries | 04:33 |
| rydare | cool which EU country is yours | 04:33 |
| pdanek | Slovakia, but I live in Sweden, so Swedish SIM | 04:33 |
| rydare | immigrants like you are ruining sweden | 04:34 |
| rydare | DO YOU EVEN HAVE BLONDE HAIR? | 04:34 |
| rydare | hahaha just teasing | 04:34 |
| pdanek | :D | 04:34 |
| rydare | I know there's tensions there now | 04:34 |
| rydare | how'd you end up in Sweden? seems like a cool place minus some of the crime | 04:34 |
| pdanek | Yeah, it's mostly due to middle east migrants | 04:34 |
| pdanek | Some of them I mean | 04:35 |
| pdanek | Can't generalize | 04:35 |
| rydare | don't let them catch you saying that, you'll be put in a reeducation camp | 04:35 |
| pdanek | :) | 04:35 |
| pdanek | It's quite free speech | 04:35 |
| rydare | hello EUIRCOPS???? I have a complaint! | 04:35 |
| pdanek | People here are more open to speak than in UK | 04:35 |
| pdanek | In UK people acted much more politically correct | 04:35 |
| pdanek | Even too much | 04:35 |
| rydare | well they're going to prison for facebook posts | 04:36 |
| pdanek | And I'm here as IT consultant | 04:36 |
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| pdanek | It's cool, I like people | 04:36 |
| pdanek | Swedish are very nice to work with | 04:37 |
| rydare | the beautiful women, the ok i guess guys | 04:37 |
| pdanek | Too tall for me | 04:37 |
| rydare | no homo | 04:37 |
| pdanek | I'm 172 :D | 04:37 |
| rydare | oh really | 04:37 |
| rydare | i'm fairly short too | 04:37 |
| rydare | I'll be right back | 04:38 |
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| pdanek | Any of you guys is still into the Neo900? | 05:31 |
| pdanek | Every year or so I open their webpage and it's always few weeks away from some prototype | 05:32 |
| pdanek | Like a time loop :) | 05:32 |
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| pdanek | Speaking of Nokia N900 | 05:50 |
| pdanek | What did you consider as crucial hw advantage over smartphones today, the keyboard or the stylus? | 05:51 |
| pdanek | So would today's flagship competitor to N900 be Blackberry or Galaxy Note? | 05:52 |
| Nicd- | stylus is nice but let's be real, it was only a side effect of the N900 touchscreen being absolutely dreadful | 06:17 |
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| lpotter | well.. there are two types of touchscreens - capacitive or resistive. back then capacitive was cost prohibitive | 07:35 |
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| Nicd- | that doesn't make it any better :P | 07:44 |
| SQUelcher | I still love my E90 (plus most of the ancient communicators)... who needs touchscreens anyway | 07:55 |
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| lpotter | I have an E90 I havent touched in years | 08:07 |
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| SQUelcher | I've got 5 or 6 of them, with broken microphones... | 08:10 |
| SQUelcher | lpotter: It's useless to touch them, they don't have touch input :P | 08:11 |
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| kimmoli | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a5zTTYaNl8 ? | 08:19 |
| rydare | I'm much more tolerant with korean stuff, they get away with stuff that i would just consider bad if done by a western person | 08:21 |
| hagiz | Quick question here, struggling with stability and random reboots and I need phone to "just work" on a work trip I'm on, is it possible to install twrp directly to xperia x when it has sailfish? Just want to flash an android rom as quick as possible | 08:22 |
| hagiz | preferably in a way where it's not a huge hassle to revert back to sailfish when I get home :) | 08:25 |
| rydare | well hagiz, you have basically an unlocked Xperia X, if you want to flash a recovery i'm sure it wouldn't harm the device. might harm sailfish though | 08:25 |
| rydare | i'm not an expert though | 08:26 |
| rydare | i've mostly used nexus devices and recovery imgs are simple enough to flash | 08:26 |
| hagiz | I'll just do a backup of SFOS and give it a try then | 08:27 |
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| hagiz | thought I read something about sailfish using an old kernel, so thought it might be a hassle to get it back again after, should have brought a backup device hehe | 08:29 |
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| inte[m] | it's the first thing I hear that SFOS on the Xperia X is more unstable as on e.g. Jolla/Jolla C | 09:36 |
| inte[m] | It's even harder to believe SFOS is so unstable it wouldn't be useable for daily usage | 09:36 |
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| inte[m] | so what is the point in particular? | 09:37 |
| inte[m] | Asking as I have not flashed SFOS on my XperiaX yet | 09:37 |
| Nicd- | they left already | 09:37 |
| inte[m] | ups thanks | 09:38 |
| inte[m] | so is SFOS on the Xperia unstable? | 09:38 |
| Nicd- | I don't know, I don't have one | 09:40 |
| * inte haven't even heard about anything like this before | 09:40 | |
| inte | hasn't | 09:41 |
| teve | it's stable for me | 09:41 |
| inte[m] | that is what I've thought :) | 09:42 |
| inte[m] | maybe a hardware problem | 09:42 |
| teve | tjc would be full of angry reports if unstable | 09:42 |
| inte[m] | jup, and I haven't read anything like that yet | 09:42 |
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| inte | whoups, I've left the server | 09:53 |
| inte | the matrix bridge appears to be down currently | 09:54 |
| inte | maybe they ran out of money? | 09:55 |
| inte | just kidding :) | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | not unlikely | 09:55 |
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| inte | hope not! | 09:57 |
| inte | matrix is really nice | 09:57 |
| inte | and, btw., the slack bridge is still working | 09:57 |
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| Nicd- | seems it came back | 10:00 |
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| inte | mh, not for me yet | 10:09 |
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| inte[m] | test | 10:09 |
| inte[m] | ah, now | 10:11 |
| inte[m] | appears to be somewhat laggy | 10:11 |
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| pahartik | inte[m]: My "Sailfish X" has not crashed, but once I had to kill Bluetooth pairing dialog over SSH as it got stuck and would not go away | 10:21 |
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| inte | well it is well know bt is not yet fully implemented and i wouldn't conclude a sfx device wasn't ready for daily usage due to bt problems | 10:23 |
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| inte | maybe that guy didnt start from a clean install and now has something messed up | 10:24 |
| pahartik | inte[m]: Once I tried voice telephone call, remote end complained about echo problem when trying to use on-board loudspeaker, and with external Bluetooth loudspeaker remote end did not get voice | 10:26 |
| inte | mh | 10:27 |
| inte | that neednt be a device problem | 10:27 |
| inte | i have experienced similar problems on a variety of devices | 10:27 |
| inte | could be network configuration issues | 10:27 |
| inte | i once even received a call and heard some people talking in a different language but they wouldnt hear me | 10:28 |
| inte | its weired sometimes :) | 10:28 |
| pahartik | inte[m]: I have used internal loudspeaker on "Jolla Mobile" for almost every voice telephone call, and sometimes that Bluetooth loudspeaker | 10:29 |
| pahartik | inte[m]: Due to not wanting to hold device during voice telephone call | 10:33 |
| inte | thats pretty unconfortable when you're on the street, train etc :) | 10:39 |
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| pahartik | inte: Oh, I do not use voice telephone calls without nice quiet environment... If I had to, I would use Bluetooth headset | 11:33 |
| inte[m] | may I ask why? | 11:34 |
| inte[m] | having bt (which is pulsed) next to your head is probably worse then having cdma (which is NOT pulsed) | 11:35 |
| inte[m] | when regarding health aspects | 11:35 |
| pahartik | inte[m]: I want quiet location for performing voice telephone call, and both hands available for keyboard or whatever activities | 11:41 |
| inte[m] | oh ok so why don't you use your computer for calls then? | 11:42 |
| jankratochvil | Because there is no PSTN interface for computers. | 11:44 |
| inte[m] | of course there is | 11:44 |
| inte[m] | you could use old modems | 11:44 |
| inte[m] | or just voip | 11:44 |
| jankratochvil | I am not aware what do you mean by "old modems" for voice calls. VoIP does not work as there is no QoS, it still sucks even on 100Mbit ADSL. | 11:46 |
| r0kk3rz | inte[m]: why would you do that when you have a perfectly good phone? | 11:48 |
| jankratochvil | Because computer is more comfortable to use than a phone. Why to use two devices when I can use just one. Single addressbook etc. | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, the single address book is on the phone, its nice and portable and you can take it with you too | 11:50 |
| inte | you can use kde connect i think | 11:51 |
| inte | i have it installed on my jolla and it displays incoming sms | 11:51 |
| inte | i guess there are far more features available for android phones, probably including calls | 11:52 |
| inte | im pretty sure i had a pots modem (56k or sth.) with a headset connection long ago | 11:52 |
| inte | there are(were?) also pots phones available which can be controled remotely | 11:53 |
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| inte | anyways, i was thinking that if you use your phone when on the pc anyways, why dont you use a pots phone | 11:56 |
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| jankratochvil | These are still all workarounds. If telcos did not have conflict of interest for data vs. voice (=QoS+expensive) connectivity it would be all easier. LTE even already does use QoS but one cannot use the voice-grade service for data. | 11:56 |
| inte[m] | its also a regulatory thing i guess | 11:56 |
| inte[m] | however, my fritzbox modem also does qos for voip calls | 11:57 |
| inte[m] | i still use isdn though :) | 11:57 |
| jankratochvil | "regulators" are bribed by telcos, at least in Czech. | 11:57 |
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| inte[m] | this is really funny | 15:21 |
| inte[m] | not only for the german speaking people in this forum | 15:21 |
| inte[m] | just read the wifi-calling instructions of my cell phone provider @ https://hilfe.o2online.de/docs/DOC-3301-community-wiki-natives-wifi-calling#jive_content_id_Wie_aktiviere_ich_WIFICalling_bei_meinen_Samsung_Galaxy | 15:21 |
| inte[m] | so guess what the name of the wifi in the example setup is... :-) | 15:22 |
| inte[m] | that is somewhat funny :) | 15:23 |
| inte[m] | s/forum/channel | 15:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | funny in a german sense of humour way? because i dont get it :) | 15:25 |
| inte[m] | look at the screenshot :) | 15:25 |
| inte[m] | https://hilfe.o2online.de/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/102-3301-57-63044/506-900/Screenshot_20170727-191613.png | 15:26 |
| r0kk3rz | ah, i see it now | 15:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | i was looking at the WLAN bevorzugt which meant nothing to me :) | 15:27 |
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| inte[m] | i find that funny, it's still a somewhat official o2 blog entry :) | 15:27 |
| inte[m] | that must obviously mean O2 will start selling jolla/sfos phones shortly!!!11!1 | 15:27 |
| inte[m] | :) | 15:27 |
| inte[m] | let's spread some rumors! :) | 15:28 |
| r0kk3rz | yes interesting, thats the default name for the jphones hotspot? | 15:30 |
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| inte[m] | yes i think so | 15:31 |
| inte[m] | at least, mine is called "jolla" and i can't remember to have changed it | 15:31 |
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| kimmoli | that is a community-wiki... | 15:44 |
| r0kk3rz | so it was probably Nicd- then :) | 15:45 |
| phlixi_o | talking about hotspots... | 15:54 |
| phlixi_o | is the wlan ap on the x fixed? | 15:54 |
| inte[m] | kmmoli oh | 16:00 |
| inte[m] | thought it was somewhat genuine | 16:00 |
| inte[m] | well, it's still funny though :) | 16:01 |
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