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| tiwake | is installing SailfishX from linux functioning? | 06:43 |
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| Bysmyyr | I have heard so | 06:44 |
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| pawky | how come I have /dev/mmcblk0p1 - 52 on the Xperia? What am I missing? | 07:34 |
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| abranson | pawky: what do you mean? is something not working? | 08:27 |
| pawky | abranson well...in a way yes... it doesnt read the sdcard i have in the Xperia. The same used with the original android installation :-( | 08:28 |
| pawky | so i am trying to see whats wrong, and when checking for /dev/mmcblk i found 52 of them, so I was wondering if all is as it should. | 08:29 |
| abranson | the number of blk0 partitions is normal. we don't flash many of them. you can sort of see what they're all for if you look in /dev/disk/by-partlabel | 08:30 |
| abranson | pawky: what's the filesystem type of your sd card? sailfish doesn't support exfat, because patents | 08:31 |
| pawky | its exfat... | 08:31 |
| pawky | but not only doesnt sailfish support exfat, it doesnt even support formatting the damn card in the UI | 08:32 |
| pawky | so I am trying to figure out which of the 52 mmcblk's is actually my card... | 08:32 |
| coderus | pawky: no! | 08:33 |
| abranson | pawky: your card will be mmcblk1, not 0 | 08:33 |
| pawky | coderus: no? | 08:33 |
| coderus | pawky: see what abranson said | 08:33 |
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| coderus | mmcblkX is a device number | 08:33 |
| pawky | that sounds reasanoble | 08:33 |
| abranson | it can format an existing filesystem, but it can't switch the partition type I think. at least not from the ui. | 08:34 |
| coderus | mmcblk0pYY is partition number on 0 device | 08:34 |
| pawky | i know.. i was just curious about why I had 52 of the mmblk0's | 08:34 |
| pawky | :-) | 08:34 |
| coderus | pawky: behold the qualcomm! | 08:34 |
| SQUelcher | My Jolla C has at least 30 mmcblk0Xs. :) | 08:34 |
| pawky | and thanks, i forgot it was 1 :-) | 08:34 |
| SQUelcher | (and one mmcblk1) | 08:35 |
| pawky | but not being able to format the card in the UI must surely be a bug... | 08:35 |
| pawky | a horrible one.. | 08:35 |
| coderus | pawky: i''m pretty sure you can find one at tjc and vote for it | 08:36 |
| pawky | :-) | 08:36 |
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| pawky | I have been thinking a bit what people have said in here regarding my wish for a firewall to protect against softwares doing steatlthy connects, and people in here saying "don't install software you don't trust" | 08:38 |
| pawky | Do you all trust the apps made for Sailfish by default? | 08:39 |
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| pawky | how do you know if what they are doing behind the curtains? | 08:39 |
| pawky | how can we trust any app without monitoring its input and output somehow?... | 08:40 |
| pawky | (what partion type is most optimal for Sailfish SD cards, ext4? ) | 08:41 |
| pawky | (ext3 maybe? ) | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | why ext3 instead of ext4? | 08:42 |
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| pawky | Nicd-: snapshots? | 08:42 |
| Nicd- | neither ext3 nor ext4 have snapshot support? | 08:43 |
| pawky | i thought ext4 did.... | 08:43 |
| Nicd- | nope | 08:44 |
| Nicd- | if you don't need to read the SD card on non-linux systems, I'd put in ext4 | 08:45 |
| pawky | but it does support that other thing... whats it called, sub mounts? | 08:45 |
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| pawky | yeee, ive got 64 gb of storage again :-D | 08:46 |
| pawky | and without doing anything I already got... ehh 3gb used on it... duh??? | 08:46 |
| pawky | What on earth are those 3gb??? | 08:46 |
| Nicd- | SD card? | 08:47 |
| pawky | its empty for christ sake... | 08:47 |
| pawky | mini sd card? | 08:47 |
| pawky | micro sd card? | 08:47 |
| pawky | Nicd-: any better name? | 08:47 |
| Nicd- | it's MicroSD if you're putting it in your Jolla :P | 08:47 |
| Nicd- | it's 64 GB but 61 GiB | 08:47 |
| Nicd- | that's your difference | 08:48 |
| pawky | well.. yeah.. you get what I mean... but in storage, on the Xperia phone it tells me, right after formatting the card already has 3gb used. | 08:48 |
| pawky | what on earth could this 3gb of emptyness be? | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | maybe they also count it wrong :P | 08:49 |
| pawky | Nicd-: I presume they do... but what I mean is not, that the storage is less, but Sailfish putting forward 3gb is used, if you know what I man, 3gb used, 55gb free | 08:50 |
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| pawky | if it just would have said 55gb free I wouldnt have blinked an eye. | 08:50 |
| r0kk3rz | check du | 08:50 |
| Nicd- | some of it is ext4 overhead | 08:51 |
| r0kk3rz | surely that would be taken into account with formatted capacity? | 08:52 |
| Nicd- | at least df shows fs overhead as "used" for ext4 | 08:52 |
| Nicd- | https://askubuntu.com/questions/131516/new-ext4-partition-and-used-space | 08:52 |
| r0kk3rz | very well then | 08:52 |
| Nicd- | "Another thing to watch out for when you see space discrepancies is space reserved for root (typically 5% on ext{2,3,4}). This space allows the OS to function (write log files, etc...) even if a user fills the disk (so long as that user is not root)." | 08:53 |
| Nicd- | "You can view this setting using tune2fs -l" | 08:53 |
| Nicd- | so I guess it's overhead + ext4 reserved space | 08:53 |
| pawky | ok | 08:54 |
| Nicd- | that can be reduced with tune2fs -m 0 /path/to/device | 08:54 |
| Nicd- | well, removed (reduced to 0) | 08:54 |
| abranson | I use f2fs. works well for sd cards. | 08:55 |
| Nicd- | supported in SFOS? | 08:55 |
| abranson | yep | 08:55 |
| abranson | well, not the tablet I don't think. but jolla c and xperia definitely | 08:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | why not tablet? seems strange | 09:05 |
| Nicd- | too old kernel? | 09:05 |
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| ender| | is there any chance that SD cards will be supported in Android apps? | 09:31 |
| XenoPL | Hi a quick question, is 2.1.2 update roll-out still ongoing? My JP1 says SfOS 2.1.1.26 is still most recent release | 09:33 |
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| maheart | I imagine so. My J1 hasn't received an update notification either (I just checked). | 09:42 |
| coderus | you should be EA | 09:43 |
| Lieke | the release notes only say "This is a phased roll out, i.e. the update is not available for all users at the same time. Please be patient." | 09:44 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but phased over multiple days? | 09:49 |
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| XenoPL | My thoughts exatly, it's been out for a while. Just wanna know if I should wait or something got stuck | 10:06 |
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| phlixi_o | for me the jp1301 also still no update, jc updates a few days ago... | 11:02 |
| phlixi_o | ...and tablet says i should log in... wtf... | 11:03 |
| * kid has tyhe update for J1 and tablet, but I', EA … | 11:04 | |
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| phlixi_o | well, i guess it is to expect that the full launch happens after EA is done (and usually much later...) | 11:12 |
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| Lieke | EA is over already | 11:15 |
| Tegu | yea but they still have a phased roll out which seems to last for several days (at least) | 11:20 |
| Tegu | maybe they focus on Sailfish X | 11:20 |
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| phlixi_o | so, new adventures... | 11:26 |
| phlixi_o | https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Jolla_Jala_announcement_October_13_FINAL.pdf | 11:26 |
| phlixi_o | when readong the press stuff from jolla, they seem to usually say thing like the only regional system and such | 11:26 |
| phlixi_o | i always ask myself whats that good for? | 11:27 |
| phlixi_o | i dont get it. | 11:27 |
| phlixi_o | to me it sounds more like "we are the only one, restricting access to areas, while everyone else is available world wide" | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | theres no real restriction though | 11:30 |
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| Tegu | Sailfish Betas everywhere | 11:50 |
| Tegu | party like it's 2013 | 11:50 |
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| phlixi_o | true | 12:12 |
| phlixi_o | but i wonder what the argument is | 12:12 |
| phlixi_o | jolla clearly uses this as a feature in marketing | 12:13 |
| r0kk3rz | yes, but they arent marketing to you, they're marketing to OEMs | 12:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | 'look you can have your own special thing! nobody else has this' | 12:19 |
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| phlixi_o | i am totaly aware that its not targeted at me :-) | 12:27 |
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| phlixi_o | was just thinking what the point is... | 12:31 |
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| ender| | maybe they should market to Samsung? they seem to desperately want to get away from Android :) | 12:33 |
| r0kk3rz | they have tizen | 12:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | im not sure they'd want to trade their current masters for a new set of masters | 12:36 |
| jonwil | I am surprised Samsung hasn't jumped ship yet, kicked Google out and gone all in on Tizen | 12:36 |
| jonwil | They sell more Android handsets that everyone else combined IIRC | 12:36 |
| r0kk3rz | that would be suicide | 12:37 |
| phlixi_o | i have the impression a lot of "normal folks" just walk into the store and buy "an apple" or "a samsung" they absofuckinlutely do not care/know/understand what "android" is... | 12:45 |
| phlixi_o | of course they need google play services, store etc... | 12:45 |
| M4rtinK | they might not care | 12:46 |
| M4rtinK | but will start to care really quickly once their favorite apps are not available | 12:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | phlixi_o: you dont think there would be a lot of press about how the samsung flagship phones were moving away from android? | 12:50 |
| r0kk3rz | even if people didnt fully understand what that meant, i think they would be cautious buying one | 12:50 |
| r0kk3rz | and those that did, would wonder where the play store went | 12:51 |
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| phlixi_o | i think the average customer would not notice /recognize | 13:09 |
| phlixi_o | ...if it is no longer androiid | 13:10 |
| phlixi_o | they would make the ui pretty much the same anyways | 13:10 |
| phlixi_o | but of course, the apps are needed | 13:10 |
| phlixi_o | thats where the lock in is from google | 13:10 |
| phlixi_o | google play services and the restrictions with it. | 13:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | it would be pretty obvious :P | 13:25 |
| r0kk3rz | how many people do you think would have a samsung id and not use a google login instead? | 13:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | and their google cloud backups wouldnt automatically transfer everything, they'd have to do it themselves manually | 13:31 |
| phlixi_o | new phone, new account, forgot the password anywya | 13:34 |
| phlixi_o | also, backups? whats that | 13:34 |
| r0kk3rz | lol | 13:35 |
| r0kk3rz | i think you underestimate how easy google have made things and set it all up automatically | 13:35 |
| R-Z | if you use google services, you can pretty much wipe your phone empty, buy a new one, sign in and your stuff is there | 13:36 |
| phlixi_o | i know | 13:36 |
| r0kk3rz | i mean, they exist to slurp up your data unless you're very diligent in telling them no | 13:36 |
| r0kk3rz | and even then they probably do it anyway | 13:37 |
| phlixi_o | and you never have to enter your password. you are constantly logged in... once you buy a new phone, you COULD just log in and have a lot restored kinda magically... at the same time i think you over estimate the average user | 13:37 |
| phlixi_o | also this happens after you leave the shop :-) | 13:38 |
| r0kk3rz | lol, get off your high horse | 13:38 |
| phlixi_o | ? | 13:39 |
| r0kk3rz | you really think people create a new google account for every phone? really? | 13:40 |
| phlixi_o | i am pretty sure a lot do | 13:41 |
| r0kk3rz | based upon what? | 13:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | people write them down, or have a friend/sibling/child help them, dealing with passwords is a core competency for any kind of computer literacy these days | 13:42 |
| phlixi_o | based on what i recognize what non techi friends family etc do, and given my experience with customer support, which makes me having ciontact with lots of non techie people. it took quite some time until i realised, that average "computer literacy" is WAYYYY below what i would think if i stay in my usual bubble | 13:43 |
| R-Z | and google tends to nag about recovery settings | 13:44 |
| phlixi_o | thats all true | 13:44 |
| phlixi_o | and probably are more and more using that ( ===> more lock in) | 13:44 |
| phlixi_o | but at the same time, its easier and easier to just make a new account | 13:44 |
| R-Z | when you have paid content, emails, messages and who knows what else tied into one account, people tend to remember the passwords | 13:45 |
| r0kk3rz | my boss at work can *never* remember this appleID details, but thats ok our HR manager sorts it out for him every time | 13:45 |
| r0kk3rz | im certain people have ways to cope other than creating new accounts every time :P | 13:46 |
| r0kk3rz | especially when theres a good reward not to | 13:47 |
| phlixi_o | also lot of people dont actually pay for content | 13:48 |
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| phlixi_o | also at the moment you accepoted that "this phone does a lot of magic things", its like religion, you also acceppt that things break, and things (like email history, or whatever) disappear | 13:50 |
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| phlixi_o | the thing is, if they guy in the shop, that talked you into the 80EUR/month plan kindly put you sim into the device, things like whatsapp which rely on phone number, just work | 13:51 |
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| tmynttin | has anyone managed to install meerun on Sailfish x? | 16:14 |
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| louisdk | Okay. This is strange. My newly flashed Xperia X does detect my sim card and asks for lock code, but not signal. When I put it in a micro sim adapter and back in my Jolla 1 it works out of the box. (It was precut) | 17:41 |
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| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: I too have seen people create new google accounts for new phones, fwiw | 18:44 |
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| attah | how do i get the Xperia X's wifi out of derp mode? waking it up does not help.. it behaves worse for my ssh connection than a sleeping J1/JC | 19:06 |
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| attah | pinging something makes it on par with a sleeping phone from before | 19:11 |
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| attah | The headphone amp in the XX is really quite an improvement from the JC :O | 20:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | LarstiQ: thats not helping :p | 21:14 |
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| inte[m] | Hello | 22:04 |
| inte[m] | Out of curiosity: According to my network provider (O2 Germany), VoLTE/VoWIFI is supported on the original Xperia X. Since the Jolla X release is also based on a genuine Android image, will VoLTE/VoWIFI also work in SailfishOS on this device? | 22:05 |
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| inte[m] | Source (in German, sorry): https://hilfe.o2online.de/docs/DOC-3301-community-wiki-natives-wifi-calling#jive_content_id_Sony | 22:08 |
| attah | inte[m]: I imagine that just means about the same level of support that the JC/IAF has.. e.g. chipset and likely driver. | 22:09 |
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| inte[m] | there is support for wifi calling on the jolla c? | 22:09 |
| attah | That does not mean ofono etc can make use of it | 22:10 |
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| inte[m] | but it currently doesn't i presum? | 22:10 |
| attah | haven't checked tbh.. but this is my qualified guess | 22:11 |
| inte[m] | my naive thought was thar the call might be handled by the android backend and sailfishos only acts as frontend, thus wificalling might still work after flashing sfos above the android image :) | 22:12 |
| inte[m] | did anybody ever worked on it, e.g. on jc/iaf? Since obviously someone has altready figured out that there is support in the driver? | 22:13 |
| attah | i believe the driver exists in a sort of android wonderland.. but that is where it ends.. support needs to be added to the rest of the stack | 22:14 |
| inte[m] | is there an android version of the iaf applicable at all? | 22:14 |
| inte[m] | never heard about that | 22:15 |
| attah | not what i meant.. libhybris makes android drivers useable in regular linux | 22:16 |
| inte[m] | yeah, but why would there be android drivers for the aquafish if there is no android release for this phone? | 22:17 |
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| attah | there are *only* android drivers, because that's all that is available from qualcomm | 22:18 |
| inte[m] | ah i see | 22:18 |
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| attah | also.. VoLTE is a cluserfudge.. just look at the ims blob here: http://images.slideplayer.com/33/10109523/slides/slide_3.jpg | 22:19 |
| attah | (IMS serves VoLTE) | 22:19 |
| attah | (and basically only VoLTE) | 22:19 |
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| inte[m] | yeah but vowifi is virtually the same (at least that is what i thougt) | 22:23 |
| inte[m] | in fact, there is no vowifi without volte nowadays | 22:24 |
| attah | i thought that was basically just sip | 22:24 |
| inte[m] | there used to be uma but the is dead for long | 22:25 |
| inte[m] | good example: congstar (german provider) offers cheap simcards in the Telekom network which do not support LTE | 22:25 |
| inte[m] | however, old contracts still access the LTE network but at reduced data speed | 22:26 |
| inte[m] | volte calls are not possible though | 22:26 |
| inte[m] | vowifi is therefore also not possible | 22:26 |
| inte[m] | even though telekom support vowifi/volte | 22:26 |
| inte[m] | in original contracts | 22:27 |
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| attah | reading up on it quickly gives the following: phone needs to set up a new special parallel bearer in LTE, and discover an endpoint is some fancy way | 22:27 |
| inte[m] | and the only reason for congstar to not support vowifi is that they do not support lte (even though older sims still log in the lte network and can be used for internet access). | 22:28 |
| attah | for voWIFI, the user supplies the config, right? | 22:28 |
| inte[m] | no, its automatically set | 22:28 |
| inte[m] | if volte works, vowifi works as well | 22:28 |
| inte[m] | no sip | 22:28 |
| inte[m] | never was | 22:28 |
| inte[m] | uma was kind of sip but with preconfigured devices | 22:28 |
| inte[m] | (provider specific) | 22:28 |
| attah | I'm looking at a page that says VoLTE is sip | 22:28 |
| attah | just automagic | 22:29 |
| inte[m] | yeah but you cannot alter the config parameters | 22:29 |
| attah | and fancy | 22:29 |
| inte[m] | ok, call it sip as some people call whatsaap xmmp :) | 22:29 |
| inte[m] | ok, call it sip as some people call whatsapp xmmp :) | 22:29 |
| attah | so probably the parameters are stored on the sim card | 22:29 |
| attah | that would mean "half" the work is done if VoWIFI works | 22:30 |
| attah | you still need the fancy bearer | 22:30 |
| attah | whereas in WiFi that's not even a thing | 22:31 |
| inte[m] | im rather interested in vowifi than in volte anyways | 22:31 |
| inte[m] | usually there is gsm and/or umts coverage anyways if there is lte | 22:31 |
| inte[m] | however, its more often that there is no network coverage at all but wifi :) | 22:32 |
| inte[m] | cellular network | 22:32 |
| inte[m] | if vowifi would work on a jolla x it would of course be amazing but I dare it does (or can anybody confirm the opposite?) | 22:33 |
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| attah | i went back and read what you wrote.. i got the impression you claimed there was support on the jolla C, but apparently it was a question | 22:34 |
| inte[m] | haha yeah | 22:35 |
| attah | i'd be very surprised if it arrived with a new hardware adaptation | 22:35 |
| inte[m] | thats why i was using the question mark ;-) | 22:36 |
| inte[m] | yeah was only a thought as explained above | 22:36 |
| attah | but questions start with "is there", not "there is" ;) | 22:36 |
| inte[m] | sure was a bit confusing sorry :) | 22:36 |
| attah | np | 22:37 |
| inte[m] | if was thinking that when the android image is installed first (which apparently can do VoLTE/VoWIF) and sfos is but above that sfos might just inherit this feature from the android image | 22:38 |
| inte[m] | s/but/put/g | 22:38 |
| attah | i think you need to think about what you mean by image | 22:38 |
| inte[m] | i read the manual flashing guide on tmo | 22:39 |
| inte[m] | it was explained that one should install android first | 22:39 |
| inte[m] | and later the sfos-release above it | 22:39 |
| attah | and then overwrite with sfos | 22:39 |
| attah | it probably updates verious firmwares and whatnot | 22:40 |
| inte[m] | im only asking, i nor have a xperiax yet nor have used any other hardware adapation yet | 22:40 |
| attah | so you want the side-effect of installing it | 22:40 |
| inte[m] | i see | 22:40 |
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| inte[m] | and flashing with a certain android release first is only to make sure that everybody starts from the same point. | 22:41 |
| attah | obviously a bit of guesswork on my part, so please do form your own oppinion | 22:41 |
| attah | precisely | 22:41 |
| inte[m] | overwriting parts of other images might result in errors | 22:41 |
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| attah | i guess that is the last modem firmware updete we'll ever se for example | 22:41 |
| inte[m] | why? | 22:42 |
| inte[m] | because the xperia x is actually eol? | 22:43 |
| attah | jolla probably can't redistribute things like that | 22:43 |
| attah | so better make sure to have a good one to start with | 22:43 |
| attah | anyway, i'm going to bed.. have a nice one! | 22:45 |
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| inte[m] | byebye | 22:47 |
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