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| Naranek | yaah... the latest update failed and now the phone won't start. recovery console works though. how can I see the logs to find out what's wrong? | 07:12 |
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| Bysmyyr | Naranek: I have heard more failed updates on this update than ever before but no idea about logs | 07:19 |
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| Naranek | dammit. well at least getting a backup of the /home/nemo seems to work, but I really wouldn't want to wipe the phone and start over | 07:24 |
| pketo | Naranek: the system update log is in /var/log/systemupdate.log | 07:25 |
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| Naranek | thanks. I'll have a look once the backups are transferred | 07:27 |
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| Naranek | pketo: /var/log is empty | 07:51 |
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| Naranek | can I somehow try to redo the update from terminal? | 08:00 |
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| pketo | Naranek: right, you need to mount the root filesystem somewhere in recovery shell | 08:16 |
| pketo | Naranek: which device is it? | 08:17 |
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| pketo | on jolla c: mkdir /rootfs; mount /dev/sailfish/root /rootfs | 08:21 |
| pketo | then the log is in /rootfs/var/log/systemupdate.log | 08:22 |
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| Naranek | pketo: it's the original jolla | 09:04 |
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| pketo | Naranek: just a moment, I'll check the correct mount command for that | 09:11 |
| pketo | Naranek: mount /dev/mmcblk0p28 /rootfs | 09:14 |
| Naranek | thanks! is there a chance I could use ssu to upgrade / restore the phone to a working condition? | 09:14 |
| pketo | I'm not sure if it is posible from recovery mode. Don't know if anyone has ever tried it... and it probably depends on what has failed in the update | 09:17 |
| Naranek | I got the log open. looks like it failed at update 278 of 694. there are tons of rows with useradd .. failed adding user '<some group>', data deleted | 09:18 |
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| XenoPL | New update. cool, 'tho too bad JP1 seems losing focus (ie no new Bluez nor AlienDalvik), another 'leaked' news that makes me excited is full device enctyption being worked on. | 09:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | either of those things arent technically feasable | 09:47 |
| r0kk3rz | so thats why the j1 doesnt get them | 09:48 |
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| XenoPL | yep, i know. It seems time to look for new device is near, I'd go for XperiaX but i'd love something closer to JP 1 size. X Compact would be sweet, iirc it's the same hardware sans screen (obviously) and battery. Many ppl requested that as next device for SailfishX endavour | 09:52 |
| XenoPL | Is it known feasiblity of this device was evaluated? | 09:53 |
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| pa | Sailfish X : Awesome. Xperia X single sim only: not awesome. | 09:58 |
| pa | why single sim only???????????? | 09:58 |
| r0kk3rz | XenoPL: i know of a community member with that device keen to do a port | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla is going to release the adaptation, so many sony devices will hopefully get supported from them | 10:00 |
| pa | ah cool | 10:01 |
| pa | hope also in a more sane UI one day or another.. so that users may start taking sailfish seriously :-) | 10:01 |
| r0kk3rz | more sane? | 10:03 |
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| pa | yes | 10:03 |
| r0kk3rz | more like it was in 1.x or more like android/ios? | 10:03 |
| pa | no pulley menus, no nonsense, more like what BB10 had | 10:04 |
| pa | (has) | 10:04 |
| pa | a usability study would also do great good to it | 10:04 |
| r0kk3rz | whats the point of repeating the failures of bbos? | 10:04 |
| Naranek | I'd love to get the xperia now that my J1 is drawing its dying breaths, but I'd also like to have a stable phone (with bluetooth) so... | 10:04 |
| pa | like not only among the developers themselves | 10:04 |
| pa | r0kk3rz: bb10 is the best UX out there, definitely that wasn't the reason of the failure | 10:05 |
| pa | but if you believe in your pulley menus, and in your silica vs no qtquickcontrols, well, go ahead and good luck | 10:05 |
| pa | even the N9 is a incredibly more sane UI | 10:06 |
| r0kk3rz | i never used bbos, but i did hear of good things | 10:06 |
| pa | maybe jolla guys who design UIs should try it out | 10:06 |
| pa | before coming up with new fantastic ideas totally untested | 10:07 |
| pa | it reminds me of the complaints about gnome3 | 10:07 |
| r0kk3rz | if you dont dare to be different, you end up with something like tizen | 10:07 |
| r0kk3rz | which is fairly boring | 10:07 |
| Lieke | what's wrong with pulleys? | 10:08 |
| pa | when someone regretted that in gnome2 times SUN used to pay for usability studies | 10:08 |
| pa | r0kk3rz: tizen's problem is probably not the UI | 10:08 |
| r0kk3rz | usability studies are biased to the status quo though | 10:08 |
| pa | and swipe UI was great enough, and unique enough still, that it was worth copying 1:1 | 10:09 |
| pa | instead of risking to mess it up | 10:09 |
| pa | (as it happened) | 10:09 |
| pa | r0kk3rz: i haven't heared anyone complaining about the N9 UI | 10:09 |
| pa | or the BB10 UI | 10:09 |
| pa | i have otoh heared complaints about the sailfish UI | 10:10 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds scientific enough | 10:10 |
| pa | i could bring you up a long list of the fails in the sailfish UI | 10:10 |
| pa | from my own perspective | 10:10 |
| pa | scientific enough probably not | 10:10 |
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| XenoPL | well iirc you can't copy swipeUI 1:1, b'cause of patents | 10:12 |
| pa | bullshit | 10:12 |
| pa | everyone copies everything | 10:12 |
| pa | beside, BB managed to improve it in several aspects (maybe not all) | 10:12 |
| XenoPL | i'm not sure if they still belong to Nokia or is it owned by MS now. | 10:12 |
| pa | so it's not an excuse for coming up with something worse | 10:12 |
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| XenoPL | Well yoes, everyone does, but at risk of facing lawsuits, if your pockets are deep enough to survive it, sure | 10:13 |
| pa | even asteroid os has a better UI | 10:13 |
| XenoPL | and afaik Jollas pockets are quite shallow | 10:14 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah kido has done a good job with asteroid, looks swish as | 10:14 |
| pa | iirc he said he got inspired by N9 :-) | 10:14 |
| XenoPL | btw pulley menus works ok for me, maybe not brilliant bot just ok | 10:15 |
| r0kk3rz | yes yes, it was the most perfect device ever, we know already :) | 10:15 |
| pa | well it was not, but UI wise it was better than sailfish | 10:15 |
| pa | you can ignore it, you can silence those who complain, but i mean.. | 10:15 |
| pa | the results speak for themselves.. | 10:16 |
| pa | if the innovations in sailfish were so awesome.. | 10:16 |
| r0kk3rz | who is silencing anyone? | 10:17 |
| pa | yeah, not scientific | 10:17 |
| pa | some comments on together.jolla.com are silenced :-) | 10:17 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah tjc suffers from a 'too many moderators' at times | 10:18 |
| mornfall | (talking about sfos ux problems, the remorse timer is the worst misfeature ever) | 10:18 |
| pa | i tried to use it as main device | 10:20 |
| pa | i really did | 10:20 |
| pa | i customized all that i could customize without resorting to install fancy mods | 10:20 |
| pa | in the end i never really managed to use it decently. and i really despise android or ios UIs (for different reasons) but in the end even those are more usable | 10:21 |
| mornfall | remorse timer combines the two worst, laziest design decisions you can make... just implement -ing undo, confirmation dialogs that auto-confirm after a timeout are still just confirmation dialogs, but now with the added annoyance of making the confirmation impossible to dismiss | 10:23 |
| mornfall | it's not even properly lazy, because half the apps break down if a remorse timer pops up before the previous one finished | 10:24 |
| pa | yes that is one annoying "feature", although maybe not the worst | 10:24 |
| mornfall | definitely the worst | 10:24 |
| pa | i think the navigation in the main pages is worse | 10:25 |
| pa | i always get lost | 10:25 |
| pa | and it shouldn't be that hard, right? it's 3 pages.. | 10:26 |
| mornfall | well, it's oddball / slightly schizophrenic I guess | 10:28 |
| mornfall | (although it'd probably be easier on the user if it didn't change every other release or so) | 10:29 |
| mornfall | I mean 2.0 had a big reconfiguration, but since then the behaviour has subtly changed several times | 10:30 |
| pa | not sure, it seems about the same to me. Once i open an app, i never know where i end if i swipe left or right | 10:30 |
| mornfall | I think the subtle changes greatly contribute to that confusion, actually | 10:31 |
| pa | and then the app menu that you get from the bottom | 10:31 |
| pa | and on the notification page that you have to pull to get the switches | 10:31 |
| r0kk3rz | pa: thats configurable, you can tell it to just go to the home screen if you want | 10:31 |
| pa | and below the switcehs there are some icons that look like switches but are not | 10:31 |
| pa | it's a mess | 10:31 |
| pa | bb10 in this respect is light years ahead | 10:32 |
| pa | i just love the two finger swipe from the top to get you to the switches | 10:32 |
| r0kk3rz | then maybe you should talk to BB about continuing it | 10:32 |
| pa | well.. they decided to hire some incompetent chinese as CEO, who thought that spending 425millions to axe BB10 and spend some more money to get into the android market was a good idea | 10:33 |
| pa | you see? bad decisions. He was wrong, now they are sinking even more. At this point they could as well spin off QNX, and sell patents | 10:34 |
| pa | BB10 had issues, though. Just like sailfish, they rolled out on Qt4 with their non-standard cascades. They didnt open cascades, they didnt support Qt5. | 10:35 |
| pa | what do you expect? you have 0.5 market share and developers will waste their time redoing apps for you? | 10:35 |
| pa | still, the Z10 is a nice device | 10:37 |
| pa | still now | 10:37 |
| mornfall | well, the harbour is a smash too :p but this is apparently not a problem that can be fixed | 10:37 |
| pa | a bit slow | 10:37 |
| pa | but the SOC has its years | 10:37 |
| pa | yes, and i dont want to get started on the design of the jolla1 phone. :-) | 10:38 |
| pa | the "frankenstein" | 10:38 |
| mornfall | i guess life just sucks and instead of apple, ms or fringe of the 90s, you can now have apple, google or fringe | 10:39 |
| pa | obviously someone thought it was a good idea. i wonder if anybody tried to do a market research to check whether it actually was a good idea | 10:39 |
| r0kk3rz | they did a rather amazing job considering their hardware partner bailed on them at the last moment | 10:39 |
| pa | i think a bloody brick would have been more practical | 10:39 |
| mornfall | pa: you can get one from fairphone :p | 10:40 |
| pa | hehe | 10:40 |
| mornfall | or if you feel fancy, essential or whatever is that new fancy android device? :p | 10:40 |
| XenoPL | speaking of UI, i still miss easy way of switching IM presence. This capability was lost in 1.x ->2.0 transition | 10:40 |
| r0kk3rz | the jp1 was basically a brick wasnt it? seems fairly square to me | 10:41 |
| mornfall | of course, if you'd like a really expensive brick, i am sure the turing folk could sell you something | 10:41 |
| pa | right now i think the xperia X dual sim would be maybe my best bet, if needed to pay for a phone | 10:41 |
| pa | r0kk3rz: the frankenstein? | 10:41 |
| mornfall | sony makes nice hardware, yes... | 10:41 |
| mornfall | (i like the compact versions, also quite nicely minimalistic... i'd even get one to run sfos on, but jolla obviously picked the ugliest device sony makes and made it the only choice for sfos :p) | 10:44 |
| mornfall | ohwell, we'll see... jp1 still works and if i manage to finally order those hopefully-compatible-but-completely-unsupported batteries it'll keep working for a while | 10:47 |
| mornfall | the IRC client is, AFAIK, still the best :-) | 10:48 |
| mornfall | even though apparently unmaintained | 10:48 |
| pa | i'd also like to find a case for it.. | 10:48 |
| pa | i had to mod some xperia case | 10:48 |
| pa | but i had to remove the back plate of the phone | 10:48 |
| pa | not a big deal eh.. | 10:48 |
| Tegu | oh, I should get one of those batteries as well.. my J1 battery life seems to be getting shorter | 10:48 |
| pa | looking prettier than before | 10:48 |
| pa | but it gets a bit dirty | 10:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | mornfall: people have been maintaining it | 10:49 |
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| Bysmyyr | luckily I get one extra supported battery from my dad. still unopened | 10:50 |
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| pa | what are the compatible batteries? | 10:51 |
| mornfall | powery for htc desire 310, I believe... there's a tjc post about that | 10:52 |
| pa | i see on ebay several compatible batteries for JP-1301 | 10:52 |
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| pa | 2.1Ah | 10:53 |
| pa | not cheap though | 10:53 |
| mornfall | the powery one is cheap enough | 10:54 |
| pa | ah yes htc desire 310 | 10:54 |
| mornfall | €13 or so? | 10:54 |
| pa | that's on the photo of the battery lol | 10:54 |
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| Naranek | phew. what a battle to restore data to the messed up and restored J1. where are the contacts and phone numbers located on the file system? | 20:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | theres a sqlite database somewheres | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202514138 | 20:50 |
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| Naranek | MyContactsDB looks promising. thanks! | 20:59 |
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| Naranek | cool - now jolla has all the contacts, but whatsapp still shows just the number for most people | 21:15 |
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| raa700 | it takes a while for dalvik side to catchup, try reboot | 21:42 |
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