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| r0kk3rz | tiwake: if it runs proper foss linux then i dont see why not | 07:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | but i do wonder what hardware it will have to make that a possibility | 07:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | if you want to find out more, best ask the guys in #purism | 07:32 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah freescale, and supposedly open drivers only. so yeah a sailfish port should be easy | 07:44 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | if use etnaviv is classic mesa DRM stuff | 08:08 |
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| tango_ | I don t suppose there has been any progress on getting kde connect for sailfish, has there? | 08:16 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont know of anyone working on it | 08:17 |
| tango_ | has anyone tried using it with the dalvin in the jolla 1? | 08:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | i think i tried once, and couldnt get it to work | 08:27 |
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| Bysmyyr | r0kk3rz: I have had no problems with android kdeConnect | 08:58 |
| tango_ | Bysmyyr: jolla 1 or tablet/C? | 09:03 |
| tango_ | they have different android versions | 09:03 |
| r0kk3rz | it was a while ago i was looking at it, maybe i was just doing it wrong | 09:03 |
| Bysmyyr | jolla1, maybe c, not remember anymore | 09:04 |
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| mornfall | is there a way to make the mail app refetch/refresh the list of folders? | 11:47 |
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| tmynttin_ | https://blog.jolla.com/sailfishx/ | 14:19 |
| fennekki | hoh | 14:22 |
| fennekki | curious | 14:22 |
| Nicd- | lovely introduction video with about 5 seconds of actual device :D | 14:22 |
| ninnnu | Sony :( | 14:23 |
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| Tofe | 50€ is quite a good price, imho | 14:56 |
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| Tofe | ... and to think I was looking at Sony devices at verkkokauppa just a week ago :p | 15:00 |
| jonwil | After the extreme crappiness of the Sony Cyber-Shot point & shoot digital camera I bought years ago I vowed never to buy another Sony product again. That and a bunch of anti-consumer BS and crap they have done is why Sony are on my personal blacklist :P | 15:02 |
| rigo | still, if it is the only way to get a non-apple non-google device, I would succomb :) | 15:04 |
| LarstiQ | Tofe: just to be clear, for 50€ you get software and support, but not the hardware | 15:04 |
| r0kk3rz | they're a big company, they dont always get everything right | 15:05 |
| Tofe | LarstiQ: yes yes, I understood that | 15:05 |
| LarstiQ | Tofe: good, just engaging in some expectation management :) | 15:05 |
| r0kk3rz | ive been burnt by them a couple of times | 15:05 |
| jonwil | And its not like I need anything from Sony, Samsung make better TVs, Canon ,make better cameras and my Nokia N900 is better than any phone Sony makes. | 15:05 |
| LarstiQ | jonwil: their open devices team seems nice though | 15:06 |
| jonwil | yeah I suspect there are some at Sony that are genuinely good and don't represent the evilness of the general corporate culture at Sony. | 15:06 |
| jonwil | If my N900 dies I will replace it with another one (or a Neo900 if that ever stops being vaporware :) | 15:07 |
| jonwil | So what exactly is being talked about here? A new Sony device that runs Jolla? A way to run Jolla on specific already existing models of Sony Android device? | 15:11 |
| LarstiQ | jonwil: the latter | 15:11 |
| LarstiQ | jonwil: see https://blog.jolla.com/sailfishx/ | 15:12 |
| jonwil | Ok so its a way to run Jolla/Sailfish on certain models of Sony Xperia phones instead of the Android it comes with. | 15:12 |
| LarstiQ | jonwil: it's a Sailfish hardware adaptation to Xperia X supported by Jolla | 15:13 |
| LarstiQ | jonwil: so you will get the closed bits community ports (atm) don't get, Alien Dalvik, Exchange etc | 15:13 |
| jonwil | So Sony isn't involved with this? (other than the fact that their hardware is being used as a target and the fact that this particular model happens to have unlockable bits and pieces so it can run a new OS) | 15:14 |
| jonwil | Or did Sony provide (or provide redistribution permission for) some of the binary hardware bits requried? | 15:14 |
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| LarstiQ | jonwil: they've been responsive to porting question at least | 15:15 |
| LarstiQ | jonwil: made the open usage of the camera go from 8 to 16 MP | 15:15 |
| LarstiQ | jonwil: so they've been involved in the effort | 15:16 |
| jonwil | So some of this work is possible because Sony opened up code to bits of their Android implementation? | 15:16 |
| LarstiQ | eh, I don't know the specifics of that | 15:17 |
| jonwil | ok. | 15:18 |
| jonwil | Does this stuff use an Android kernel and stack or a proper Linux kernel and stack? | 15:19 |
| LarstiQ | jonwil: yes | 15:19 |
| jonwil | So is it using an Android kernel or a Linux kernel? | 15:20 |
| LarstiQ | jonwil: what do you consider to be the difference? | 15:20 |
| Tofe | jonwil: it should be an Android kernel with a glibc stack, as usual around here | 15:20 |
| jonwil | Does this stuff use Android-type GPU drivers with that gralloc thing or is it using linux type GPU drivers and an X11 stack? (I am guessing Android type drivers since that's what tends to be available for the Qualcomm Snapdragon SoCs in things like the Xperia X) | 15:24 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah we tend to use android drivers, since they work best | 15:26 |
| Lieke | i wonder what this "continuation program" after one year of updates means | 15:27 |
| r0kk3rz | handover to the community im guessing | 15:27 |
| cehteh | with paying for the software i'd expect a longer support plan | 15:27 |
| cehteh | i wont mind paying anually, but about 4-5 years should be guranteed | 15:28 |
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| jakibaki | Honestly as long as they keep supporting at least one somewhat current phone I'm fine with it. | 15:40 |
| rigo | I can imagine some of you can make a commerce out of selling already sailfish enabled phones to end users | 15:43 |
| rigo | via some webshop | 15:43 |
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| jonwil | How does Jolla handle talking to the cellular radio stack? I am guessing there is some kind of standard Google Android API/ABI for this that each phone vendor implements for their particular hardware in the Android firmware that comes on the phone and then Jolla just uses that alongside the GPU drivers and other things... | 16:06 |
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| jakibaki | It uses ofono afaik (https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/ofono) | 16:11 |
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| mal | and ofono talks with android ril service | 16:20 |
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