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| Venemo | hey guys | 11:07 |
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| Venemo | who the f*** is "Dave999"? | 11:08 |
| Nicd- | why would we know? | 11:08 |
| coderus | Venemo: some person from my ignoring list it seems | 11:09 |
| Venemo | why does the guy spam every single bjc post and every single tmo thread about the tablet refund shit? | 11:09 |
| Venemo | seriously | 11:10 |
| coderus | Venemo: if i could i will ban him year ago :D | 11:10 |
| Venemo | why not just give him his refund, maybe he will shut up and move on | 11:10 |
| coderus | you just can't give refund to selected persons | 11:11 |
| coderus | then it will make thousands of Daves askign for refund | 11:12 |
| coderus | now it's just one single person you can easily ignore | 11:12 |
| Venemo | this kind of person is I think the most destructive type in any community | 11:13 |
| LarstiQ | you can be more toxic | 11:13 |
| LarstiQ | but yeah, his positive impact is... hard to discern | 11:13 |
| Venemo | I'm more toxic? | 11:14 |
| Venemo | what? | 11:14 |
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| LarstiQ | no, the general you | 11:14 |
| LarstiQ | Venemo: "one could be more toxic" | 11:14 |
| Venemo | ah, ok | 11:14 |
| Venemo | well, sure | 11:14 |
| Venemo | he seems very fixated to the tablet refund, he doesn't really troll about anything else | 11:15 |
| * LarstiQ nods | 11:15 | |
| Venemo | I don't even remember how much the tablet cost | 11:17 |
| Venemo | but how could somebody possibly obsess so much about it? | 11:17 |
| LarstiQ | Venemo: maybe it is performance art? | 11:19 |
| LarstiQ | Venemo: my guess is that he feels betrayed | 11:19 |
| LarstiQ | nevermind the terms and conditions being very clear about what you're getting into, he felt strongly about getting the tablet and Jolla has let him down | 11:20 |
| LarstiQ | so far my arm-chair psychology | 11:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | tbh jolla need to finish that off | 11:26 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: legally or morally? | 11:27 |
| LarstiQ | I'd definitely like to | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | both :) | 11:27 |
| LarstiQ | but we're not in a position to | 11:27 |
| entil | so he actually received his tablet and doesn't want it? | 11:28 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: the first, pretty sure we don't | 11:28 |
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| entil | maybe he should have sold it off while people wanted them, sold it to someone who got their money back | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah true but it would be a shit thing to do | 11:28 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: that's why I asked two things ;P | 11:29 |
| r0kk3rz | legal or not, the court of public opinion wont be kind | 11:29 |
| entil | a friend of mine, who would not spam any forums, is also disappointed at getting the tablet, for no real reason I can understand | 11:29 |
| LarstiQ | entil: getting or not getting? | 11:29 |
| entil | LarstiQ: getting | 11:29 |
| LarstiQ | entil: the refund was for people who didn't get it | 11:30 |
| entil | LarstiQ: he started thinking about how he can't copypaste in sailfish and how obscure a lot of the docs are etc so he was hoping he'd end up with a refund instead :P | 11:30 |
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| entil | LarstiQ: I think I misunderstood you | 11:30 |
| LarstiQ | entil: when did he get his tablet? | 11:30 |
| entil | LarstiQ: when you said "felt strongly about getting the tablet", I understood this Dave999 actually got his and is in the same spot as my friend | 11:31 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: im sure he could flog it on ebay | 11:31 |
| entil | and I can't even remember | 11:31 |
| LarstiQ | entil: aha, I see | 11:31 |
| entil | I think he installed windows on it, and it didn't really work, so he threw it out or something, I don't really care | 11:31 |
| coderus | Venemo: $259/289 + $ for Lastu Case | 11:31 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: anyway, we've always said "as the financial situations permits", and it doesn't, so the point is moot | 11:31 |
| LarstiQ | coderus: there were different perks | 11:32 |
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| Venemo | I'm not even sure what his problem is | 11:32 |
| r0kk3rz | LarstiQ: i know, and its easy for you to say, but we see deals with russia and china and think "what does permitting financials look like" | 11:33 |
| Venemo | did he want a tablet and didn't get it? or the other way around | 11:33 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: having spare cash to the tune of roughly half the original pledged amount | 11:33 |
| Venemo | Jaymzz: have you tried to talk to him yet? | 11:34 |
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| LarstiQ | Venemo: judging from his posts, he wants the second half of the refund | 11:34 |
| Venemo | LarstiQ: yeah but that's the thing about crowdfunding - if you are not in the financial position to risk that amount of money, don't participate, that's it - he didn't understand this | 11:35 |
| LarstiQ | Venemo: see my arm-chairing above, I don't think it's about the money | 11:35 |
| Venemo | LarstiQ: yeah, it's possible too | 11:35 |
| Venemo | but his posts have been extremely annoying | 11:36 |
| LarstiQ | wonder if wordpress has an option to let readers choose commenters to ignore | 11:36 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: (oh, and plus fees) | 11:36 |
| Venemo | maybe he just doesn't understand that his comments are not construcive at all and actually detract everyone else | 11:37 |
| Venemo | but he also does it on TMO | 11:37 |
| Venemo | one gets the feeling that he has been hired for full-time trolling | 11:39 |
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| TMavica | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MGjyFMGV/20170619_195833.jpg | 12:08 |
| TMavica | I flash sailfish to it | 12:08 |
| TMavica | Want | 12:08 |
| TMavica | Lol | 12:09 |
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| Hartzi | moar pixels plz | 12:27 |
| ^7heo | So for those who're interested | 12:28 |
| ^7heo | if the battery doesn't make the right contacts with the phone; the phone is gonna vibrate every second when plugged for charging | 12:29 |
| ^7heo | the solution is to fix the contacts so they actually get electrical contact with the battery contacts. | 12:29 |
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| TMavica | No more Xperia sell in my city..outdated they said | 12:32 |
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| TMavica | I also think it is quite outdated too... | 12:33 |
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| ^7heo | TMavica: Xperia X? | 12:34 |
| ^7heo | TMavica: it's pretty recent, I think. | 12:34 |
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| TMavica | Yes. Xperia x | 12:34 |
| TMavica | Mobile sales, it is outdated | 12:34 |
| TMavica | Xperia X performance also | 12:35 |
| TMavica | All is XZ to XZ premium | 12:35 |
| TMavica | That is normal here | 12:35 |
| TMavica | No shop selling X | 12:36 |
| r0kk3rz | reminds me of .jp back in the day | 12:41 |
| r0kk3rz | anything older than 6 months was unsellable | 12:41 |
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| Venemo | lol | 12:50 |
| Venemo | I never understood this attitude | 12:51 |
| Jope | ahh, stories of dumpster diving at akiba | 12:52 |
| Jope | wish I could have been there. :-) | 12:53 |
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| Jope | hello larstiq :-) | 12:55 |
| Jope | hope you are doing well | 12:56 |
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| coderus | Like this? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1529326&postcount=353 | 13:21 |
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| Venemo | coderus: indeed | 13:59 |
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| ^7heo | TMavica: where is here? | 14:09 |
| TMavica | ^7heo: Hong Kong | 14:35 |
| ^7heo | TMavica: ah yeah makes sense | 14:37 |
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| TMavica | ^7heo truely...HongKonger changed their phone frequently | 15:13 |
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| TMavica | but I not.. | 15:13 |
| TMavica | because I cant change, I need use sailfishos.. | 15:14 |
| ^7heo | Yeah I can't use Sailfish, it doesn't meet my quality standards. | 15:15 |
| ^7heo | Maybe in a few years | 15:15 |
| ^7heo | or if they change the base linux distribution they use. | 15:16 |
| TMavica | so why are you here? | 15:17 |
| TMavica | LOL | 15:17 |
| ^7heo | Because first, I own a Jolla; and second, I wouldn't be against participating in making it better, one day. | 15:17 |
| ^7heo | Until recently, and for two years, my Jolla has been my primary phone. | 15:18 |
| ^7heo | Unfortunately, its various software quality issues (hardware was fine until it got damaged, which I can't blame on Jolla tbh) drove me to replace it. | 15:18 |
| cehteh | the hardware is a bit underpowered nowadays | 15:19 |
| ^7heo | that was one of the issues. | 15:19 |
| cehteh | at least it should have way more ram | 15:19 |
| ^7heo | nah, it should have a system that doesn't require 1GB to run without load. | 15:19 |
| cehteh | that was the problem with the n900 as well | 15:19 |
| ^7heo | Sailfish is heavier than Android | 15:20 |
| ^7heo | and it runs on weaker devices. | 15:20 |
| cehteh | well .. since there are not much native apps one has to rely in android stuff which eats ram like nomore | 15:20 |
| ^7heo | So if you wanna get market share, search no more, stop adding features and start optimizing. | 15:20 |
| Ingvix | and I thought it was lighter | 15:20 |
| cehteh | yes sfos is lighter | 15:20 |
| ^7heo | Ingvix: depends what version and what components. | 15:20 |
| ^7heo | the core system definitely is heavier. | 15:20 |
| cehteh | but also much less features, still ok imo the bugs and annoyances should be fixed first | 15:21 |
| ^7heo | but at the same time, I see users on the forums complaining about the lack of features... | 15:21 |
| ^7heo | so I can understand the drive to add features. | 15:21 |
| cehteh | of course | 15:21 |
| TMavica | so will you plan to buy a xperia X and test it? | 15:21 |
| ^7heo | I did buy an Xperia X. | 15:21 |
| TMavica | good | 15:21 |
| ^7heo | I gave it back, tho. | 15:21 |
| cehteh | when you look whats possible with android phones you get a bit envious | 15:21 |
| ^7heo | cehteh: depends if you consider android + google or ASOP | 15:22 |
| ^7heo | cehteh: the possibilities/features are WAY different there. | 15:22 |
| TMavica | I wonder want to know Jolla sell Xperia X in their homepage or not.. | 15:22 |
| TMavica | with sailfish | 15:22 |
| ^7heo | TMavica: It wouldn't charge when it was turned on; so I decided not to keep it. Good phone otherwise, solid feel. | 15:22 |
| cehteh | how much ram has the xperia? | 15:22 |
| ^7heo | 2G if I remember right | 15:23 |
| ^7heo | or 3? | 15:23 |
| ^7heo | 3GB ram. | 15:23 |
| TMavica | GB | 15:23 |
| TMavica | 3 | 15:23 |
| ^7heo | the Pixel has 4GB, as a comparison. | 15:23 |
| cehteh | i frequently use OSMand, that really likes to have more ram | 15:24 |
| ^7heo | on my android, default, with 2GB of ram, 1.1GB of ram are taken by the system | 15:24 |
| ^7heo | but I'm running firefox + a small game | 15:24 |
| cehteh | swapping and crashing sometimes | 15:24 |
| ^7heo | (some puzzle game) | 15:24 |
| cehteh | next phone i buy should have at least 4GB | 15:25 |
| ^7heo | So I can understand why sailfish is barely usable on a Jolla with 1GB ram | 15:25 |
| ^7heo | I got a pixel because of CopperheadOS | 15:25 |
| cehteh | you can tweak some things on the jolla to make it better | 15:25 |
| ^7heo | I yet have to test it; but with the stock android, it was really fast. | 15:25 |
| cehteh | zram | 15:25 |
| ^7heo | cehteh: I would appreciate if jolla had a more polished system, with more low-level tools | 15:25 |
| cehteh | but still it lacks ram for any serious work and is easily overloaded | 15:25 |
| ^7heo | cehteh: instead of focusing on building more recent firefox versions and adding a very bugged "text selection" with handles on the side. | 15:26 |
| ^7heo | my main problem with the Jolla was the poor software quality; again, it's not the fault of Jolla; but using sane default software would have greatly helped there. | 15:26 |
| ^7heo | It's the only phone on the market to run the glibc, and it shows. | 15:27 |
| cehteh | they should focus a) on stabilizing the existing system, and b) if there are any resources left spend them on real new features .. but c) anytihng thats already there should be left opensource to the community | 15:27 |
| ^7heo | they don't have enough resources to do both | 15:27 |
| ^7heo | definitely not. | 15:27 |
| ^7heo | the Jolla team has been largely down-sized since the beginning | 15:27 |
| cehteh | i mean with real back integration and communication between community developers | 15:27 |
| ^7heo | The first issue is to base it on a recent debian. | 15:28 |
| ^7heo | iOS is based on FBSD and Android has been made in-house. | 15:28 |
| ^7heo | there are reasons why those work better. | 15:28 |
| cehteh | things are painfully slow at jolla | 15:29 |
| cehteh | fixes and such | 15:29 |
| ^7heo | Debian offers an okay support (it used to be great but tbh they fell behind in terms of quality) on recent computers, they also support older computers, but running a recent debian on a notoriously old computer (i.e. with 1GB ram for instance) is a very bad idea. | 15:29 |
| ^7heo | cehteh: well, again, it's lacking manpower. | 15:31 |
| ^7heo | cehteh: but tbh, they aren't really... easy to hack on. | 15:31 |
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| ^7heo | (when compared to the usual FOSS, not when compared to closed-source ASOP variations) | 15:32 |
| ^7heo | So yeah... | 15:32 |
| ^7heo | I'll use my fairphone and my jolla to hack next fall/winter | 15:32 |
| cehteh | how far is sfos on the fairphone? | 15:33 |
| ^7heo | it runs on it. | 15:33 |
| cehteh | no android right? | 15:33 |
| cehteh | any other issues, or all hardware flawless supported? | 15:33 |
| ^7heo | cehteh: the FP2 runs both android and Jolla afaik | 15:33 |
| cehteh | i know | 15:34 |
| cehteh | but i wonder how complete it is | 15:34 |
| ^7heo | for now, looking forward to replacing my Jolla with a Pixel, as I'm sure the Pixel won't have a browser that segfaults or flickers or fails to display, or even display the same buffer no matter what tab you select, etc. | 15:34 |
| ^7heo | cehteh: I'll tell you when I get mine. | 15:34 |
| ^7heo | cehteh: I ordered it in march, so I'll get it in sept or oct. | 15:34 |
| cehteh | haha | 15:34 |
| cehteh | ok | 15:34 |
| TMavica | yours is dual sim or single..? | 15:34 |
| ^7heo | the FP? | 15:34 |
| ^7heo | I think it's only sold as dual sim. | 15:34 |
| ^7heo | Oh you mean the jolla. First edition, single. | 15:34 |
| ^7heo | I have 2 dual sim phone, 2 single sim phones. actually 3 if I count my nexus. | 15:35 |
| cehteh | see some days ago, jolla cant even handle one sim without bugs :D | 15:36 |
| TMavica | seem i cant buy a single sim Xperia X here.. | 15:36 |
| TMavica | all is dual | 15:36 |
| cehteh | i changed my mobile contract, put a new sim in and network was broken, needed manual fixing | 15:36 |
| cehteh | thats really an annoying bug | 15:37 |
| cehteh | should not happen | 15:37 |
| ^7heo | TMavica: what's the problem with the dual sim? | 15:37 |
| ^7heo | cehteh: have you tried forcing an unexpected reboot? | 15:37 |
| TMavica | i dont know, seem only can flash sfos in single sim xperia x | 15:38 |
| TMavica | i read from Jolla together | 15:38 |
| ^7heo | ah | 15:38 |
| cehteh | no, just normal powerdown, swap sim, reboot | 15:38 |
| ^7heo | cehteh: yeah that's what I mean | 15:38 |
| cehteh | ofono defaults to the old sim | 15:38 |
| cehteh | need to edit the config files manually | 15:38 |
| ^7heo | ah | 15:39 |
| ^7heo | yeah that sucks | 15:39 |
| cehteh | took me some time to figure out | 15:39 |
| ^7heo | Did you write some doc' about it? | 15:39 |
| cehteh | any 'normal' enduser who brought it just as phone would be lost | 15:40 |
| ^7heo | Jolla phones aren't for "normal" users | 15:40 |
| cehteh | its on tjc | 15:40 |
| cehteh | thats the problem | 15:40 |
| ^7heo | TCJ? | 15:41 |
| ^7heo | sorry, TJC? | 15:41 |
| ^7heo | The Jewelery Channel? | 15:41 |
| ^7heo | s/wel/&l/ | 15:41 |
| cehteh | https://together.jolla.com/question/150137/mobile-data-not-working-after-switching-sim-card/ | 15:41 |
| ^7heo | oh, right. | 15:41 |
| ^7heo | Stoopid me. | 15:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | cehteh: its easy to pontificate, harder to make it a reality | 16:27 |
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