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| Mirv | lpotter: ack, it took a while :) | 05:23 |
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| lpotter | ya :( | 05:32 |
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| citylight2 | /usr/bin/contactsd is eatting most of my cpu. what is wrong with it? | 09:20 |
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| citylight2 | how to stop it from reloading | 09:25 |
| r0kk3rz | citylight2: its going to be XMPP or something like that | 09:27 |
| r0kk3rz | or cardav | 09:27 |
| citylight2 | what can this process to use so much CPU so much time? is it emitting any errors? | 09:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | it processes contacts, and so if its getting a lot of contact information from somewhere it can churn quite a lot | 09:29 |
| r0kk3rz | i used to get it fairly frequently when i used XMPP with facebook because of the hundreds of contacts it would have to parse | 09:30 |
| citylight2 | can I just dump the currnet state to file and restart it from this file? | 09:32 |
| citylight2 | this may be the reason I can not use my phone lately | 09:32 |
| citylight2 | it is so slow | 09:32 |
| citylight2 | second issue is that after reboot I have to "find" my music from my SD card using this command? | 09:33 |
| citylight2 | : | 09:33 |
| r0kk3rz | citylight2: do you use something that will sync contacts? | 09:33 |
| citylight2 | find /media/sdcard/d2670af1-dd59-4cdc-9a18-7588bd1f344e/Music/ -type f -exec tracker index -f {} \; | 09:33 |
| citylight2 | google-contacts | 09:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | https://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2017/04/flattr-acquired-by-adblock-plus/ | 10:55 |
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| citylight2 | r0kk3rz: wow | 11:35 |
| r0kk3rz | citylight2: yes you wonder whether they will integrate the two | 11:48 |
| r0kk3rz | so that you can either pay, or get ads | 11:48 |
| citylight2 | ok, I am so happy, after I killed the contacts , my device is back to responding as it was. | 11:49 |
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| citylight2 | is this issue reported? | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea, probably, its an old issue | 11:50 |
| phlixi_o | https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/ | 11:52 |
| phlixi_o | not shoking news, but kinda official now, ubuntu phone stuff is actually dead | 11:52 |
| phlixi_o | as in finally dead, not some kind of zombi mode | 11:53 |
| citylight2 | did they ever contrib anything to the open source community during the phone project? | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | of course, its ubuntu its all open source | 11:54 |
| Yaniel | the bigger news for me here is that mir is dead | 11:55 |
| Yaniel | which means wayland finally has realistic chances of getting usable on the desktop | 11:55 |
| r0kk3rz | how so? redhat are using wayland | 11:56 |
| citylight2 | which projects did they contrib to? jolla contrib to connman for example | 11:56 |
| Yaniel | redhat have a slightly different target demographic than canonical, no? | 11:57 |
| Yaniel | I mean I can't use wayland on my desktop yet, because nvidia is being nvidia | 11:57 |
| Yaniel | or I guess I could, if I didn't care about rendering performance | 11:57 |
| r0kk3rz | citylight2: naturally ubuntu tried to invent everything themselves | 11:58 |
| citylight2 | what inovation did they achive in the phone project? | 11:58 |
| citylight2 | I really do not know. I was not that involved | 11:58 |
| r0kk3rz | aside from convergence stuff, nothing. thats why they canned it | 11:59 |
| citylight2 | was this project so difficult? | 12:01 |
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| pp | doing it all was | 12:17 |
| LarstiQ | citylight2: if you want an example of ubuntu contribution, libhybris | 12:25 |
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| pp | not sure about the specifics but wasn't it embrace & extend of jolla/Stskeeps contributions :-) | 12:35 |
| LarstiQ | no, we're happy with their work afaik | 12:44 |
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| M4rtinK | IIRC they even forked the Trojita email client | 13:01 |
| M4rtinK | because contributing upstream would be too much bother for them (IIRC) | 13:02 |
| M4rtinK | also Fedora 25 uses Wayland by default: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefault | 13:03 |
| M4rtinK | as for Wayland & Nvidia binary drivers - work is ongoing: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/978068/fedora-25-uses-wayland-by-default-support-/ | 13:05 |
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| citylight2 | is Stskeeps a ubuntu employ? | 14:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | citylight2: no, they forked libhybris from him | 14:19 |
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| citylight2 | I see | 14:22 |
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| Yaniel | there was some drama around libhybris when they forked it, but that got resolved fairly quickly IIRC | 14:29 |
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| mal | the ubuntu changes got (at least mostly) merged to upstream | 14:30 |
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| pdanek | Ubuntu Phone killed? | 17:17 |
| r0kk3rz | so says the news, which obvious you've read :P | 17:18 |
| pdanek | :D | 17:18 |
| pdanek | Is situation with Sailfish very positive? | 17:18 |
| r0kk3rz | not particularly | 17:20 |
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| cb400f | the mwc news were fairly encouraging I think.. even if fairphone were suspicously absent, but we need to wait and see if something happens | 17:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | the china market news looks promising | 17:27 |
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| cb400f | seems to be genuine interest in a bunch of places for an alternative non-US conglommerate OS | 17:28 |
| r0kk3rz | https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/China_announcement_April5_2017_FINAL.pdf?x12599 | 17:29 |
| cb400f | yup, but will be better once some actual devices are in circulation ;-) | 17:37 |
| cb400f | .. or at least some commits coming back to the core OS | 17:37 |
| r0kk3rz | something like that anyway, we will get a taste when russian sailfish gets released | 17:38 |
| M-schmittlauch | I'm still not sure what to think about the fact that especially not-so-democratic countries are interested in and partnering with SFOS. | 17:42 |
| taaem | M-schmittlauch: i'm feeling with you | 17:43 |
| abranson | M-schmittlauch: you should see the state of the country that makes the other mobile OSes :D | 17:43 |
| taaem | still not sure why the EU is not supporting Jolla, I heard they like to support local competitors to global players in the tech world | 17:46 |
| M-schmittlauch | Yeah, and NSA is a contributor to the linux kernel (SELinux), I know. Nevertheless, if there was a version of the local OS available for "normal citizens" of that country I wouldn't use it. You never know what modifications have been put in there. SFOS doesn't necessarily have them and may be fine though. | 17:46 |
| taaem | modifications or restrictions | 17:47 |
| abranson | getting money out of the EU is not easy. the call and bid structure of funding requires quite a lot of work upfront, and quite often comes to nothing. | 17:47 |
| M-schmittlauch | I still remember that they funded the Nepomuk project (used to be an overengineered desktop search for KDE) with several million € | 17:49 |
| taaem | But certainly I understand that its easier for Jolla to get traction in regions where there is no big reliance on *some* social apps that are developed by companies which are kinda hard to work witg | 17:49 |
| taaem | M-schmittlauch: thats the stuff i meant | 17:49 |
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| abranson | M-schmittlauch: looks like under FP6 - was easier back then. 11.5 million! semantics was so hot back then. | 17:52 |
| abranson | look at the consortium at the bottom: http://cordis.europa.eu/project/rcn/79390_en.html | 17:52 |
| abranson | you've got a mix of academic and industrial partners - lots of those have dedicated teams to put these consortia and bids together | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz | M-schmittlauch: for china its likely entirely the point that they want control and eyes in every smartphone | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz | perhaps the same for russia as well | 17:53 |
| M-schmittlauch | r0kk3rz: And I'm concerned about the eyes becoming fists | 17:54 |
| taaem | nothing *we* want | 17:54 |
| abranson | I think jolla's best bet for EU money would be to be the european tech angle for some large project that involved mobile | 17:54 |
| abranson | but they're way too small to get it alone, no matter how much they deserve it | 17:54 |
| r0kk3rz | M-schmittlauch: of course, but we are talking about single party totalitarian states here :) | 17:55 |
| M-schmittlauch | r0kk3rz: Yeah, must be fun collaborating with such entities. | 17:57 |
| taaem | if some european country would choose Sailfish for govermental use that would give them the necessary boost in europe i think | 17:58 |
| r0kk3rz | like .fi maybe :) | 17:58 |
| taaem | i would vote for .de, they used BB for a long time | 17:59 |
| taaem | but currently that doesn't seem that any country has that planned | 18:03 |
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| phlixi | I think its comprehensible if some one would argue that 1.) USA (or USAs deep state or military industrial complex or whatever) does not need to reach out to jolla, in order to let jolla make a USA-backdored something, because apple and google have to obey anyway (and since its speculation anyway, i would add, that the prominent case about the locked iphone apple was not helping to unlock, | 18:50 |
| phlixi | well thats probably PR...) | 18:50 |
| phlixi | and 2.) how free is the land of the brave actually? :D | 18:52 |
| phlixi | (@M-schmittlauch) :-) | 18:54 |
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| M-schmittlauch | phlixi: At least they're pretending not to violate human rights too much... in the US itself | 18:59 |
| phlixi | so they in addition, they lie :D | 19:00 |
| M-schmittlauch | There are many bad things about the US and other countries, but saying the US are worse than Russia or China (at least to their own dissidents) is a very bold claim | 19:01 |
| M-schmittlauch | Measured against their values the US don't look that good, but at least they have values instead of claiming "we can be bad because everyone else is so there's obviously no point in being good" | 19:02 |
| r0kk3rz | i dunno, pretending to have values is probably worse | 19:06 |
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| pp | ewwww, EU money | 19:11 |
| pp | it's sooo not worth it for small companies | 19:11 |
| pp | not totally sure about national money either, and that's much easier to apply for :-) (and jolla got a pile, mostly loans tho) | 19:12 |
| Helle | pp: Russian money on the other hand is fine with all the blood still dripping off of it | 19:12 |
| Helle | sorry, that is crude and emotional | 19:13 |
| Helle | but a friend of mine nearly got arrested in Russia and had to run for their show justice system | 19:13 |
| Helle | (currently has asylum in the EU, thankfully) | 19:14 |
| pp | (it's fine if you can spare one person to do 6 months of writing proposals and then travel around europe in meetings and report stuff) | 19:14 |
| pp | actually you can now hire a consultant to do the writing bit | 19:14 |
| pp | it's a monster | 19:14 |
| Helle | pp: yeah, I know EU funding is a mess, but atleast that is due to just mountains of paperwork | 19:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | hooray for bEUROcratic nightmares | 19:25 |
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| Yaniel | kinda ironic how the paperwork prevents said small companies from getting money, while not really being an issue to megacorps | 19:26 |
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| abranson | pp: yep. and it's got much harder in the last 10 years. more projects chasing less money. | 19:41 |
| abranson | there might well be some programme buried down in the obscure corners that supports small business, especially 'disruptive' ones. | 19:41 |
| abranson | wasn't there something called FET open or something like that? | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | i thought scamming the .fi government was the hustle du jour anyway | 19:43 |
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| pp | some eu money also goes through the national agency and they might not give the money even if the eu approves :-) | 19:50 |
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| M-schmittlauch | rainemak: I suspect there may be an issue about the browser and captive portals https://together.jolla.com/question/159823/dont-use-default-browser-profile-for-captiv-portals/ | 20:31 |
| M-schmittlauch | People using XMPP on SFOS: Could you check whether nicknames and jabberIDs still match on your device? For me they got mixed up https://together.jolla.com/question/159724/contact-names-got-mixed-up-mostly-xmpp/ | 20:37 |
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| lpotter | there's always issues for cative portals. They are a PITA! | 21:53 |
| lpotter | captive, even | 21:54 |
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