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| Nicd- | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsungs-tizen-is-riddled-with-security-flaws-amateurishly-written/ | 04:53 |
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| Nicd- | tizen doesn't seem to be doing that well either | 04:53 |
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| pp | in sailfish the smelly parts are the old kernel and the old qualcomm blobs | 05:48 |
| pp | Qt seems to be pretty good quality code, obviously you can use it badly and get crappy results | 05:49 |
| kimmoli | well, sailfish can be run on any kernel. that is more of issue of sbj. but in general, mobile devices run on old kernels. | 05:52 |
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| tbr | als known as vendor frankenkernels | 05:58 |
| tbr | there are a select few devices where people put in a *lot* of effort to make vanilla work. The Nexus 7 2013 being one of them IIRC. | 05:59 |
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| tbr | Yet often there are downsides, e.g. the Nokia N900 can run kernel.org but lacks all power saving AFAIU | 06:00 |
| * SQUelcher looks at the calendar.. 2013... | 06:00 | |
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| tbr | I think phones based around the Qualcomm Snapdragon 410 or similar enough SoCs also have a decent chance of running vanilla due to the Dragonboard 410c and LINARO | 06:02 |
| tbr | even with open source graphics drivers | 06:04 |
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| chriadam | PSA: Sailfish OS Community Meeting starting now in #mer-meeting | 09:02 |
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| TMavica | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/veaLe33o/IMG-20170405-WA0008.jpg | 10:31 |
| TMavica | Any gu let me stay in his home? | 10:32 |
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| r0kk3rz | note to self, dont fly finnair to finland :) | 10:42 |
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| pp | Are there any alternatives?-) (ok, Norwegian and SAS and suppose national airlines from other places) | 10:49 |
| TMavica | Go to Finland, help Finnair change the A350 Trent XWB engine | 10:50 |
| TMavica | Finland cold now? | 10:50 |
| Yaniel | about 7°C right now | 10:50 |
| TMavica | In easter.. | 10:50 |
| TMavica | .... | 10:50 |
| Yaniel | so not very cold | 10:50 |
| LarstiQ | TMavica: pretty warm | 10:50 |
| LarstiQ | pp: from where? | 10:51 |
| Yaniel | by Finland's standards that's warm enough for a bbq party | 10:51 |
| r0kk3rz | pp: better avoid finland then, TMavica is an aircraft maintenance guy | 10:52 |
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| pp | just about anywhere, suppose it's an extra hop via frankfurt/stockholm/copenhagen/amsterdam if you want to avoid finnair | 10:54 |
| pp | norwegian sure, but if anything goes wrong it's your problem | 10:54 |
| TMavica | I got 350 lience, but never replace its engine | 10:55 |
| LarstiQ | Berlin too | 10:55 |
| TMavica | Finnair ask for help | 10:55 |
| LarstiQ | pp: we're pretty reachable. Also, there are more airports than just HEL | 10:55 |
| TMavica | Just asking how salary | 10:55 |
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| kimmoli | bbq... | 12:15 |
| ^7heo | shhhht | 12:20 |
| ^7heo | Hungry here. | 12:20 |
| TMavica | Is there any news about Finnair damaged the engine? | 12:29 |
| TMavica | Sorry for off topic.. | 12:29 |
| Nicd- | do you mean like in Finnish news? | 12:29 |
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| TMavica | Ya | 12:37 |
| mal | I haven't seen anything | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | me neither | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | so nothing dramatic happened I think | 12:38 |
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| JvD_ | there was news that new 350 was just delivered and they sold it already | 13:46 |
| JvD_ | but rented it back | 13:46 |
| JvD_ | by finnair | 13:46 |
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| TMavica | Funny is Finnair asking for help | 13:53 |
| TMavica | My company also never change that engine | 13:53 |
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| TMavica | They dont have technican..? | 13:55 |
| TMavica | Fun | 13:55 |
| LarstiQ | outsoure the everythings | 13:58 |
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| TMavica | I can bring my Led TOH for @kimmoli repair | 14:06 |
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| kimmoli | ööäööä | 14:13 |
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| sakustar_ | TMavica: i already changed to my shorts? isnt 7c warm? :S | 18:45 |
| r0kk3rz | sakustar_: its all relative | 18:47 |
| sakustar_ | I guess 0.0 | 18:48 |
| r0kk3rz | for some 15c is cold, 7c is freezing | 18:48 |
| r0kk3rz | for finns, i can see how its warm | 18:49 |
| sakustar_ | yeah ive seen people walking or even running at over 25c | 18:49 |
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| mornfall | canonical slashed ubuntu phone? | 19:38 |
| mornfall | (also, tizen is getting some really bad press) | 19:38 |
| lpotter | yes. canonical going back to gnome 3 as well | 19:39 |
| FireFly | r0kk3rz: I think 7°C is decidedly not freezing, at least not at sane pressure :P | 19:40 |
| FireFly | </overly picky> | 19:40 |
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| sebsebseb | hi who's here | 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | well there's still salifish os | 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | who's seen the breaking ubuntu news? | 19:41 |
| lpotter | me | 19:41 |
| lpotter | I could have told you that news 5 months ago though | 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | lpotter: I wasn't expecting that | 19:41 |
| lpotter | I was | 19:41 |
| lpotter | :) but I am biased | 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | ok they coudn't just base on 16.04 for the moible since a few reasons | 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | but I wasn't expecing them to just give up on the whole lot | 19:42 |
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| lpotter | I knew it was coming. and wonder why they took so long to announce it | 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | they should hae gone the android apps route | 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | for the moible | 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | as wellll | 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | like Salifish did, and tizen | 19:43 |
| lpotter | well.. there was work being done there, but was not allowed to go forward | 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | unofficaly ubports got some andoird apps working I belive as well | 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | lpotter: without unity though, much less of a reseon to run ubuntu really, there are other distros that do GNOME better | 19:44 |
| lpotter | agreed. but I dont like gnome anyway | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | what do you like? | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | lpotter: this changes my event got an event in a bit under three weeks coming up to show uhmm the public etc Linux! | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | try and get interested | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | but now its a bit like, well how much to show unity | 19:46 |
| lpotter | unity7 is probably best for multi monitor. but I also use kde and lxqt | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | unity 7 is alright | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | I prefer GNOME Shell | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | Unity 8 is alright on tablet and phone to | 19:46 |
| coderus | kde plasma forever | 19:46 |
| lpotter | sailfish is better for phone by far | 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | coderus: plasma hasn't got it's mobile os out on devices though | 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | lpotter: yep salifish can do more | 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | run real andorid apps to | 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | and so on | 19:47 |
| coderus | sebsebseb: ubuntu phone dead, so | 19:47 |
| coderus | plasma mobile come soon imho | 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | coderus: ubuntu phone wsan't dead, well was, and wasn't, it was all meant to go ubuntu personal, but now they given up on that it seems so | 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | also plasma mobile as based on ubuntu touh I thought ? | 19:48 |
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| coderus | middleware maybe, but who cares | 19:48 |
| lpotter | ya basically they couldnt sell it because they underfunded the development | 19:49 |
| lpotter | but what do I know... | 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | I havev missed the last | 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | special two jolla phones | 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | since wans'st following jolla salifhos enough or at all I guess really at that time hmm | 19:50 |
| lpotter | they failed because they never had a compass support... | 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | but got the old jolla phone still | 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | eventaully get a newer one I guess for salifsh | 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | even thought about buying the aqaufish maybe on ebay from india, but not done that, not quite got spare cash for that kind of thing right now really as well | 19:50 |
| lpotter | ya, that phone is ok if you can get your hands on it. | 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | lpotter: you mean to buy one? | 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | I have two | 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | and a tablet | 19:52 |
| lpotter | yes the intex one | 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | oh the intex | 19:52 |
| lpotter | jolla c | 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | I belive the jolla c and the aquafish are pretty much the same phone really ? | 19:52 |
| r0kk3rz | lpotter: still sad to see ubuntu touch go, its a bit of a bad omen to see so many mobile systems die | 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | roboro: true ,but its a difficult market | 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | but it leaves salifish as the like only serious compettirer now thats proper linux | 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | 19:53 |
| SQUelcher | sebsebseb: aquafish is missing the lte800 band | 19:53 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: it seems that 'proper linux' is a non-featurefor most people | 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | SQUelcher: what's the lte800 band? the network thing? I think I am ok without that, I am in UK so :) | 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | american networks thing ? | 19:54 |
| lpotter | r0kk3rz: agreed | 19:55 |
| SQUelcher | sebsebseb: It's quite essential for 4G in Europe | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: most peple don't know what we would mean by proper Linux | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | SQUelcher: ok but 3g would work ? | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | I guess too much work trying to base ubuntu touch on 16.04, and converging everytyhing togehter as well | 19:57 |
| SQUelcher | sebsebseb: Yes, and 4G in towns where they're using 1800 and 2600mhz.. In rural areas, 4G runs on 800 | 19:57 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: yes indeed, and much less why they would want it | 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | I am doing a Linux Presentat day event in abbout three weeks again | 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | meant to get public inerested in linux etc | 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | demo stuff | 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | but now its a bit like, well is there much point showing unity, if its going | 19:57 |
| lpotter | sebsebseb: not tougher. just underfunded as they pivoted everyone to snappy | 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: ping any update, on if you can come agin or not :) ? | 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | so mobile what to show | 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | ok a firefox phone but that had it | 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | two ubuntu phones nad tablet, but those uhmmm | 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | ah | 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | basically leaves salifsh and tizen, to be like, yeah you could have that maybe in future, these other htings well uhmm.... | 19:59 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: still show the ubuntu stuff, its about possibilities | 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: you mean like things that could possibly happen ? | 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | or could have happended | 20:01 |
| r0kk3rz | no, that different things exist | 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | yeah but firefox and ubuntu uhmm | 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | nice interfaces, but the things are dead bascally | 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | fireox os and unity | 20:01 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: still, if they see something nice they might understand how broken the things they use are | 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | roboro: the things they use domiante market | 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | but that's not a good thing for choice | 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | I really thougt unity 8 would maybe make it default for 18.04 though | 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | or probably would | 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | I think they given up on it, since its so much work to port things over and converge nad all that | 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | and for little money gain | 20:03 |
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| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: how would they say that there stuff is broken ? | 20:04 |
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| lpotter | it would have if they didnt pivot to snappy | 20:05 |
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| sebsebseb | lpotter: yeah and that snappy move uh | 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | why ? | 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | what was wrong with clicks for mobile really? and uhmm desktop could have used gnome flatpak or something anyway | 20:07 |
| lpotter | they suffer from NIH | 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | lpotter: yeah a guy I know for years met onece to | 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | he used to say taht a lot | 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | when they made unity in the first place and so on | 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | when they patched gnome 2 a bit too much before that etc | 20:08 |
| r0kk3rz | will be interesting to see if anyone likes it enough to pick it up | 20:18 |
| r0kk3rz | since many people still dont like gnome3 | 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: yeah maybe unity 7 and 8 will both get forked, and I just put in another channel | 20:19 |
| Yaniel | maybe they patch gnome3 to look and feel (more) like unity | 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | Yaniel: they would probably patch it here and there yeah | 20:22 |
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| sebsebseb | roboro: well salifish surive | 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | lpotte as wlel | 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | lpotter | 20:28 |
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