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| Pawky | is there a downlodable SFOS ROM for experia X if buying a phone from an ordinary store, for "development" purposes of course? | 06:43 |
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| Jope | I'm sure this will be announced once it's available for consumption :-D | 06:45 |
| Pawky | Jope: well... then one could just buy the one.... for consumption, i of course mean to get ahead in the process. | 06:47 |
| Jope | I'm waiting for jolla to release some firmwares before spending money on a toy | 06:48 |
| Jope | here's hoping there will be one for the x compact, but z5c is fine too | 06:48 |
| Jope | :-D | 06:48 |
| Pawky | The question is, could one buy a Xperia X today, and later on change the firmware to SFOS once it will be released publicly or will there be some lock in "you have to buy a specific version" type of limitation to it all? | 06:50 |
| Dotti | probably too early to say | 06:52 |
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| Jope | well definitely the firmware must be adapted for the hardware | 07:00 |
| Jope | so .. if you buy an xperia x and the firmware is for the xperia xa, then you have a nice android phone, but can't run sfos unless you do the adaptation yourself | 07:01 |
| Jope | or am I missing something, losing something in translation | 07:01 |
| Jope | just wait until there is some firmware to download, then buy a phone that can run it. no reason to rush out to buy them, these are mass produced devices, they will be available new and used when the time comes | 07:02 |
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| Jope | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/ something with psion lineage.. hmm | 07:35 |
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| Pawky | Why do all phone makers persist in having fingerprint scanners as authentication alternative on the phones, when your fingerprints are scanned into passport databases , police records, when entering USA, and on whatever glas or item you will touch? Isn't this type of security a bit naive and only servers the purpose for your spouse and kids to not find out what ever pr0n site you've been visiting? | 07:50 |
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| Helle_ | Pawky: casual security can still be security, so yes | 07:51 |
| Pawky | Helle_: against whom? | 07:52 |
| Pawky | or what | 07:52 |
| Pawky | I would say even a three digit pin code would be more secure than fingerprint readers... | 07:53 |
| Pawky | I'm happy it was never put into the Jolla phone... | 07:55 |
| coderus | don't use fingerprint lock if you dont need, what is your problem? | 07:55 |
| Helle_ | Pawky: it's easy to trivial to snoop on pincodes or even worse, the Android swipe codes | 07:55 |
| Helle_ | Pawky: I always manage to learn them in one go if I see someone do them from any angle behind them, and in 2-3 goes when in front of them.... | 07:55 |
| Pawky | Helle_: I didn't say pin codes are secure, i just mean fingerprints aren't much better... | 07:56 |
| larstiq | Pawky: https://phys.org/news/2017-01-android-device-pattern.html | 07:56 |
| Helle_ | Pawky: they are a bit better, you can't casually reproduce them | 07:56 |
| Pawky | Helle_: oh yes you can :-) | 07:56 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: its convenient, not so much extra secure | 07:56 |
| Helle_ | Pawky: not casually, you need to actually try | 07:56 |
| larstiq | Pawky: different methods suit different threat models | 07:57 |
| larstiq | that said, I'd go for a long pin | 07:57 |
| coderus | if you don't wipe screen with alcohol each time after entering code/gesture it can be easily reproduced :) | 07:57 |
| Pawky | coderus: exactly | 07:58 |
| coderus | so i don't get your point why fingerprint is worse :D | 07:58 |
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| pdanek | Psion is back! | 07:58 |
| Pawky | Helle_: this is old, but still inspirational :-) http://www2.washjeff.edu/users/ahollandminkley/Biometric/index.html | 07:59 |
| pdanek | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/ | 07:59 |
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| kimmoli | pdanek: no its not. it is yet another indiegogo fail | 08:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | decacore! | 08:53 |
| r0kk3rz | someones been taking a leaf out of the Turing playbook | 08:53 |
| Nicd- | I said earlier, not at that price point | 08:53 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: decacore is real though | 08:54 |
| kimmoli | pokecore | 08:54 |
| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: sure, but it still seems excessive | 08:54 |
| Nicd- | eh, the point is to have high performance cores, mid performance and low performance | 08:55 |
| Nicd- | then just turn off the unneeded cores | 08:55 |
| Nicd- | you can get battery savings and performance improvements that way | 08:55 |
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| Lieke | the problem with fingerprints versus pin codes is, you can't just go and change your fingerprint | 09:18 |
| Jope | also, fingerprints can't be hashed | 09:23 |
| Jope | kimmoli, do you have some background info about the gemini? | 09:24 |
| Jope | is it just a bunch of guys riding on psion's reputation? | 09:25 |
| Jope | some known con artists? | 09:25 |
| kimmoli | Jope: no. it just triggered | 09:30 |
| Jope | ok | 09:30 |
| kimmoli | but i could bet it wont ship Nov 2017 | 09:33 |
| Jope | that is usually the case with these more ambitious projects.. | 09:35 |
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| kimmoli | at least i would need new suspenders, with that 400g weight | 09:43 |
| Jope | I'll just use my manbag | 09:43 |
| kimmoli | but it is ~2162 kg/m3, which is little less than aluminium | 09:43 |
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| Pawky | Lieke: Well, in one sence you have 10/20 times to change it, after that you run out of fingers and toes ;-) | 09:48 |
| Pawky | Lieke: maybe its time to develop a a morphable key finger you can use, and modify to your liking, without ever having to use your own. Something to crowdsource maybe? :-D | 09:51 |
| Lieke | sounds fun :D | 09:53 |
| Pawky | an index finger with a key ring to attach all other keys :-) | 09:53 |
| Pawky | with some RSA key exchange possibilities, and bluetooth, wifi so you can send your fingerprint to some one else if need be ;-) | 09:54 |
| r0kk3rz | smartwatch unlock is a thing | 09:56 |
| Pawky | I mean, fingerprints seem to be the edge of security these days as lots of items implement it :-D | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, its convenient | 09:56 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: nah... no phones, and computers have smart watch unlock cababilities, they all have these ... finger print scanners.. | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: android phones do, with android wear watches | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | have done for a while now, few years at least | 09:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | http://www.talkandroid.com/guides/android-lollipop-guides/how-to-setup-trusted-devices-on-android-lollipop-to-automatically-unlock-your-phone-or-tablet/ | 10:02 |
| r0kk3rz | looks like it would also work with an NFC ring | 10:02 |
| r0kk3rz | which also is a thing that exists and you can buy | 10:02 |
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| pdanek | Is Jolla reborn? | 11:14 |
| pdanek | With the Sony deal | 11:15 |
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| till | If I can buy devices with Sailfish OS preinstalled I would say yes :) | 11:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | till: looks like you'll probably flash it through Sonys own flash tool | 11:22 |
| r0kk3rz | and the end result will be the same | 11:23 |
| pdanek | But will it support Android apps? | 11:25 |
| Pawky | I have heard hints it will... | 11:25 |
| pdanek | And what about the development | 11:26 |
| pdanek | Is it back to speed same as before? | 11:26 |
| Pawky | no clue... | 11:26 |
| Pawky | Looking into the Jolla store itself, I belive most programers have gone feet up when it comes to active development. | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | seems that yes it will have dalvik, theres been multiple reports of that | 11:27 |
| Pawky | Without the Dalvik as a saviour to apps, Sailfish would probable already be dead. There are just so many apps I wish would be native, but unfortunately is android.. | 11:29 |
| M4rtinK | Pawky: or developers stopped bothering with the Store & publish on OpenRepos :) | 11:32 |
| Pawky | M4rtinK: ahh there you are! :-) | 11:32 |
| M4rtinK | Pawky: there are still too many hoops to jump through for many popular apps | 11:32 |
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| phlixi_o | r0kk3rz i am curios, what makes you thinking it is "probably" that you will download and flash it through sonys website? | 13:20 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi_o: i own a sony device, and thats how you reflash them currently | 13:21 |
| r0kk3rz | its a software, detects device model, shows image options, and downloads and flashes for you | 13:22 |
| phlixi_o | ok, so nothing official, just "pure intuition" :D | 13:22 |
| kimmoli | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1524390&postcount=127 | 13:22 |
| phlixi_o | thanks kimmoli | 13:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | annoyingly enough, it only works on windows though | 13:28 |
| r0kk3rz | https://developer.sonymobile.com/open-devices/flash-tool/use-the-flash-tool-for-xperia-devices/ | 13:28 |
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| phlixi_o | at least you dont need flash to play the video which shows you how to flash :D | 13:50 |
| phlixi_o | what bothers me more is, that it seems to me as if i would have to register or something like that in order to unlock the phone | 13:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | you do | 13:58 |
| r0kk3rz | presumably for warranty reasons | 13:58 |
| r0kk3rz | it also kills some of the proprietary bits and bobs on the device | 13:59 |
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| phlixi_o | i dont mind the killed blobs, every potatoe is a better camera than jp1301 and jc. i am pretty sure even the killed-blob-camera in xepria phones is still way better than what i have now^^ | 14:03 |
| phlixi_o | and in the dream world there is some of the stuff included in the sfos images (or the preloaded sold ones) | 14:04 |
| r0kk3rz | not quite, without the rather impressive noise reduction algorithms the cameras on my tablet are a bit shithouse | 14:04 |
| r0kk3rz | but its a tablet, so who cares, on a phone though | 14:04 |
| phlixi_o | i can not imagine a camera worse than the on of the jp1301 | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | well no | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | a broad bean would take a better picture | 14:05 |
| phlixi_o | maybe the camera module i got together with my simens phone back in 2000 | 14:05 |
| phlixi_o | then its fine for me :-) | 14:06 |
| phlixi_o | actually a worse camera than the jp1301 :-D https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Siemens_S55_with_IQP-500.jpg | 14:07 |
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| caitlinb | is there a way i can get access to this sony thing early or did i need to be a community member 6 years ago? | 16:15 |
| caitlinb | my poor jolla is a bit weary but i can’t let go of sailfish | 16:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | caitlinb: yeah probably | 16:17 |
| Tegu | somehow I am not that interested in the community devices.. but I hope they will eventually help to make a new customer device as well | 16:18 |
| r0kk3rz | once we get the patched android tree a few of us sony porters will do up images | 16:18 |
| r0kk3rz | Tegu: why? | 16:19 |
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| Tegu | r0kk3rz: *shrug* of course it is nice to get new hardware with official sailfish but it would be nice that it would be available for everybody. so let's put it this way, they're nice but a customer device would be nicer. | 16:38 |
| Tegu | definitely nice for developers, though | 16:38 |
| larstiq | Tegu: having enough customers to make that worthwhile would be nice, yes | 16:38 |
| r0kk3rz | Tegu: why is it not available to everybody? | 16:41 |
| kimmoli | i hope that this stunt will give some more visibility, and possible customers | 16:41 |
| Tegu | r0kk3rz: as far as I know, it would require signing to a developer program? | 16:43 |
| Tegu | so, while anybody coud do that, it's an additional barrier | 16:44 |
| Tegu | I guess I'm being too negative, though. I should look at it from the other way around, that it's good that there will be devices at all | 16:44 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe, but i havent seen anything saying that | 16:44 |
| Tegu | and lack of warranty drops more | 16:45 |
| Tegu | potential buyers | 16:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | if it works the way i think its going to work, the only signup will be the small one to get the bootloader code for your device | 16:47 |
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| ramsesHD | HRMPF second Jolla 1 with a broken touchscreen. The quality is "amazing". | 18:59 |
| muzzlefuz | Does someone out of germany have a intex aqua fish? | 19:00 |
| ramsesHD | muzzlefuz: no, but I'm thinking about getting one. | 19:00 |
| muzzlefuz | i am asking because of the missing lte band 20 800mhz, does someone have experience ? | 19:00 |
| kimmoli | there was some customs issues to get them shipped to germany | 19:00 |
| muzzlefuz | i know. but there are other channels to get | 19:01 |
| kimmoli | yep | 19:01 |
| muzzlefuz | i ordered one, i am very exited but donmt know how problematic it would be for me because of using telekom D1 probably LTE Band 20 800mhz | 19:02 |
| ramsesHD | muzzlefuz: Wikipedia says that it is compatible to 800 MHz. | 19:04 |
| muzzlefuz | i thought only jolla C not intex aqaua fish | 19:05 |
| ramsesHD | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_Fish - have a look at the specifications | 19:05 |
| phlixi_ | can not tell how bad it is if band 20 is missing, since i miss 20 3 and 7 :D | 19:09 |
| phlixi_ | however, in the mean time all three use all three bands | 19:09 |
| phlixi_ | that is: each on of them, telekom, vodafone and o2 use 3, 7 and 20 in GER | 19:10 |
| muzzlefuz | ok thats interesting thanks | 19:10 |
| * SQUelcher just noticed clicking noises from his jolla c | 19:10 | |
| SQUelcher | i hate it when that happens. | 19:10 |
| phlixi_ | (i just have a congstar card in my jp1301 at the moment, which means, no LTE at all^) | 19:11 |
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| attah | Seems wikipedia is misinformed with regard to the bands.. definitely no LTE800 on AF | 19:29 |
| attah | SQUelcher: yep, annoying.. usually takes a reboot for me after having even opened just about any camera-enabled android app (there is a TJC on it) | 19:30 |
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