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| rubdos | one month of battery life? Just make it twelve times thicker already! :D | 09:31 |
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| tortoisedoc | hello" | 09:34 |
| tortoisedoc | are we ready for some news?? :) | 09:34 |
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| MariusLotter | Hello, do you know the name of the app, that is a native app with functions like redshift. It is not in the store but you must download the installer. Can't remember it... | 09:41 |
| rubdos | He what about this: Nokia brings out a bunch of new Android smartphones, and Jolla re-releases them (without buttons)? Would that be a nice announcement? | 09:42 |
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| rubdos | Why do people leave, a second after they say something? | 09:46 |
| MariusLotter1 | I had a internet connection interuption | 09:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | MariusLotter1: tint overlay? | 09:48 |
| r0kk3rz | MariusLotter1: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/tint-overlay | 09:48 |
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| rubdos | Oooh, okay :) | 09:49 |
| MariusLotter1 | Yes, thank you | 09:49 |
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| Stskeeps | https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/27/jolla-inks-exclusive-license-to-kick-start-its-android-alternative-in-china/?ncid=rss | 11:11 |
| Nicd- | this is interesting: 'Jolla says it’s aiming to release an official version of the Sailfish OS for a range of Sony Mobile’s Xperia devices “soon”.' | 11:14 |
| pp__ | ooh | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | (i don't know anything, fwiw, just linking) | 11:15 |
| Nicd- | whatever you say Stskeeps ;) | 11:15 |
| tbr | quoting myself from elsewhere: so you can also read this as "jolla is now using Sony ODP devices instead of Nexus devices to showcase its software" | 11:15 |
| r0kk3rz | theres that word again | 11:18 |
| phlixi_o | i dont mind as long as they ship devices with alien | 11:18 |
| phlixi_o | ...someone ships | 11:18 |
| rigo | so I think this is a very good move from our side in that our developers can keep a proper device for Sailfish and use that. And why not our fans as well?” | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | what's ODP in this context? | 11:19 |
| rigo | why don't they make a contract with Sony so they can sell Xperia devices with some added price that covers everything? | 11:19 |
| Nicd- | rigo: expected revenue balanced against the costs of certification, support, polishing... | 11:19 |
| pp__ | this one? https://developer.sonymobile.com/open-devices/ | 11:21 |
| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: sony publish sources, keep an AOSP build script public, as well as a mainline kernel effort | 11:22 |
| phlixi_o | Nicd- open device program | 11:23 |
| pp__ | I might even buy one :-) Xperia X looks okish, maybe a bit overkill (price too) but not too bad | 11:23 |
| phlixi_o | Nicd- https://developer.sonymobile.com/open-devices/list-of-devices-and-resources/ | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | pp__: will be interesting to see what troubles they had | 11:23 |
| taaem | pp__: maybe wait til they make a community device with Alien Dalvik | 11:23 |
| RaYmAn | Sony open devices has the majority of hw support open source - the amount of blobs is pretty limited these days :) | 11:24 |
| RaYmAn | (on AOSP that is) | 11:24 |
| taaem | that's the good site of Sony | 11:24 |
| pp__ | yep, I do need dalvik | 11:24 |
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| tbr | pp__: you might want to consider sfdroid. more likely to happen. | 11:29 |
| M-schmittlauch | Call me old-fashioned, but I still prefer phones with user-replaceable batteries :\ | 11:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | M-schmittlauch: how are the OEMs going to get you to buy a new device every year or two? | 11:36 |
| M-schmittlauch | r0kk3rz: That's the spirit why I'd like to wait for a Fairphone 3, given the company survives long enough to present one. | 11:37 |
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| phlixi_o | So, when Jolla is talking about "Sony Xperia X" are they referring to the "F5121", the "F5122" or both? | 12:15 |
| r0kk3rz | or are they referring to the whole X series? | 12:16 |
| r0kk3rz | unified kernel and all that | 12:16 |
| phlixi_o | havent seen much, but i bet if it would be more then one device, it would have been way more emphasized | 12:18 |
| M4rtinK_ | yet again - more information needed | 12:18 |
| phlixi_o | and https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Sony_Jolla_press_release_MWC2017_FINAL.pdf says: "t | 12:19 |
| phlixi_o | he first project is | 12:19 |
| phlixi_o | a | 12:19 |
| phlixi_o | Sailfish OS | 12:19 |
| phlixi_o | powered | 12:19 |
| phlixi_o | Xperia X" | 12:19 |
| phlixi_o | oops | 12:19 |
| M4rtinK_ | hardware looks nice | 12:20 |
| phlixi_o | and https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Sony_Jolla_press_release_MWC2017_FINAL.pdf says: "the first project is a Sailfish OS powered Xperia X" | 12:20 |
| M4rtinK_ | but what form will it take ? | 12:20 |
| M4rtinK_ | can I order one from Jolla ? | 12:20 |
| M4rtinK_ | or do I get it from a shop & install an image from Jolla ? | 12:20 |
| M4rtinK_ | and will it have Android support or SFDroid has to be extended for it ? | 12:21 |
| r0kk3rz | i guess this depends on whether they've renegotiated stuff with myriad | 12:21 |
| r0kk3rz | the only benefit of the 'buy from jolla' model is alien-dalvik | 12:21 |
| phlixi_o | M4rtinK_ afaik not clear yet... | 12:21 |
| M4rtinK_ | phlixi_o: exactly | 12:21 |
| phlixi_o | ...let me know if you see anything official, i have the same questions | 12:22 |
| Tofe | The firmware binaries are online, so I guess they would be able to provide a flashable image, this time | 12:22 |
| M4rtinK_ | phlixi_o: but even just "no Alien dalvik" could be useful to know for the SFDroid community | 12:22 |
| M4rtinK_ | Tofe: good point! | 12:22 |
| phlixi_o | i see problems with alien and image for downloads | 12:22 |
| r0kk3rz | Tofe: not quite, the binaries are available but for 'personal use only' | 12:22 |
| r0kk3rz | stupid licensing | 12:22 |
| Tofe | r0kk3rz: yes, but that would be easy to negociate for Jolla I think. It's not the same as with trying to put online binaries that never were there | 12:24 |
| phlixi_o | r0kk3rz well, for me thats (until now) a pretty important benefit | 12:24 |
| phlixi_o | i guess i am not alone with that | 12:24 |
| phlixi_o | no alien dalvik => problem | 12:24 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi_o: of course, and worth the faff of jolla flashing and reselling sony devices. But if they can avoid that i think they will | 12:25 |
| Tofe | phlixi_o: I don't see the point for Jolla in saying they support this particular device and not provide full support; otherwise they would have supported Nexus5 a long time ago | 12:25 |
| phlixi_o | Tofe i asume so, but nothing official for now | 12:26 |
| Tofe | phlixi_o: right | 12:26 |
| r0kk3rz | times have also changed | 12:27 |
| phlixi_o | and if it is a fre download, then i would not expect the alien there | 12:27 |
| r0kk3rz | clearly they want to offer something for the euro market, but no OEMs are biting | 12:27 |
| r0kk3rz | so perhaps this is the alternative solution | 12:27 |
| phlixi_o | i like the idea more of an premium sony device, rather than some oem with a tiny batch of cheapo hardware | 12:28 |
| Tofe | phlixi_o: no need to be free, people would easily pay a bit for having dalvik | 12:28 |
| phlixi_o | Tofe sure, but payment is a problem | 12:28 |
| Tofe | Yep. Let's see how it goes... :) | 12:29 |
| M4rtinK_ | in any case a device available in EU is sorely needed | 12:29 |
| phlixi_o | try to make payment on a website for something easy as selling your self made kniit goods... its a pain in the ** | 12:29 |
| pp__ | rpm repository with jolla account? | 12:29 |
| M4rtinK_ | and a non-low end device device in general - Jolla C had some serious hardware issues & generally very low end hardware | 12:30 |
| M4rtinK_ | BTW, anyone else who has their Jolla C randomly turn off (even on charger) and/or drain the battery ? | 12:32 |
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| M4rtinK_ | can no longer use it as an alarm clock as it might be OFF & with empty battery in the morning... | 12:33 |
| phlixi_o | not here | 12:34 |
| teve | M4rtinK_: I've same problem. Usually restarts while on charger. | 12:35 |
| M4rtinK_ | teve: good to know I'm not the only one! :) | 12:38 |
| M4rtinK_ | it's super annoying | 12:38 |
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| M4rtinK_ | but surprisingly I've not seen this really mentioned anywhere | 12:39 |
| M4rtinK_ | on Together or talk.maemo.org... | 12:39 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | wow | 12:43 |
| SfietKonstantinW | such announces, much awesome | 12:43 |
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| phlixi_o | :) | 12:45 |
| r0kk3rz | ahoy SfietKonstantinW! | 12:46 |
| SfietKonstantinW | :) | 12:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/ | 15:25 |
| r0kk3rz | for those keyboard afficionados | 15:25 |
| r0kk3rz | they're even doing to do a 4g one | 15:26 |
| dlavso | wow cool | 15:31 |
| Nicd- | yeah, not going to happen with that price and those specs | 15:35 |
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| rubdos | Why Sony? :( | 16:12 |
| * rubdos is a sad Lenovo dealer now. | 16:12 | |
| r0kk3rz | rubdos: unified kernel | 16:13 |
| * rubdos Googles | 16:14 | |
| r0kk3rz | probably not much on google | 16:14 |
| r0kk3rz | but basically all sony devices are using one kernel tree | 16:14 |
| rubdos | Oh, that's pretty cool | 16:14 |
| r0kk3rz | which makes it a lot easier to support many devices | 16:15 |
| rubdos | So ± any Sony device will run SFOS | 16:15 |
| rubdos | cool | 16:15 |
| r0kk3rz | potentially yeah | 16:15 |
| rubdos | Well, I'd love to have heard that they had an official Lenovo Moto G5 with SFOS | 16:15 |
| rubdos | but there's that :P | 16:15 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah that would've been nice too | 16:16 |
| rubdos | But well, seems like I'll have a new smartphone soon :) | 16:16 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah not sure what this sony stuff is going to look like | 16:18 |
| rubdos | Indeed. I really like my mother's Moto G4+, so I'd probably love to go with the G5. | 16:19 |
| phlixi_o | if you are looking for an officially supported device, i would not get hopes to high for "all sony devices", i pretty much expect them to officially support 1 (one) device, maybe a few more later... | 16:24 |
| tbr | for values of "official" I guess | 16:26 |
| phlixi_o | of course jolla did not say they will not support all... but why should they^^ | 16:26 |
| tbr | but any work from their side is a big plus | 16:26 |
| phlixi_o | yeah, sure | 16:26 |
| r0kk3rz | the PR did say 'official' but we will see | 16:26 |
| phlixi_o | and i am excited (as usual) if there comes an opportunity to throgh money at sailfish devices :D | 16:27 |
| tbr | PR says a lot if marketing gets their hands on the good™ drugs. ;-) | 16:27 |
| phlixi_o | or at tbr in case i am to slow ordering :D | 16:27 |
| friese | well, anybody heard anything about android/myriad support for xperia x yet? that's been suspicially quiet and that one pic on tjc with the launcher only shows native sfos apps... | 16:27 |
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| tbr | friese: if I were you, I'd be asking about sfdroid | 16:28 |
| phlixi_o | friese nothing official, except that they said they will support a device (starting xperia x) and i expect oficially supported devices to have alien dalvik (or similar) | 16:28 |
| r0kk3rz | AOSP doesnt do sfdroid | 16:28 |
| friese | alright | 16:29 |
| friese | sfdroid, yes, not bad actually, but if i remember there's still no gps support? a good navigations app is basically the only thing i really miss on sailfish right now... | 16:29 |
| phlixi_o | iirc for jolla c they said "pure sailfish os" and it was almost fine print "supports android apps". i would have thought next time jolla is a bit more explicit on android support. however, i asume things will become clearer in (near?) future, for sure before there is something to buy | 16:30 |
| tbr | phlixi_o: don't expect anything to buy | 16:31 |
| phlixi_o | nav is actually another point hinting that there will be androd support, since they shipped last devices with nokia here | 16:31 |
| phlixi_o | tbr well, i do | 16:31 |
| friese | well let's hope for it. basically i have my shine fairphone 2 with mal's awesome port but it's just gathering dust while my jolla 1 is still daily driver | 16:31 |
| tbr | you'll have to buy a sony android device, unlock it to do sony odp, then flash sailfish | 16:31 |
| phlixi_o | tbr do you know something i dont? | 16:32 |
| tbr | phlixi_o: yes, I know that launching a product is a massive legal liability | 16:32 |
| friese | maybe if it's about licensing they could also sell sfos (or at least the android part)... | 16:33 |
| tbr | if they would sell phones, they'd need to fully certify | 16:33 |
| tbr | €€€ | 16:33 |
| phlixi_o | then i maybe can buy another year of community thingy... which maybe let me download stuff from the store ( => dalvik) jolla needs that as development device, and i think they know its a big plus to have alien on the device | 16:33 |
| * tbr just took a look at the myriad corporate page, no mention of aliendalvik as a product, whoops. :) | 16:34 | |
| phlixi_o | in my dreams (ok, i do not actually dream of phones an such stuff, but if i would^^) jolla jumps ont the sfdroid train | 16:35 |
| phlixi_o | but i dont know how far away that is from reality | 16:36 |
| phlixi_o | btw, tbr http://www.myriadgroup.com/en/products/device-solutions/mobile-software/alien-dalvik/ | 16:37 |
| tbr | well hidden | 16:37 |
| r0kk3rz | it seems searchable but no in any of the menu trees | 16:37 |
| tbr | yeah, no way to get there by navigation | 16:39 |
| M4rtinK_ | friese, phlixi_o: check out OSM Scout Server, modRana & Poor Maps for native navigation support on Sailfish OS :) | 16:40 |
| M4rtinK_ | some seriously nice stuff right there already :) | 16:40 |
| M4rtinK_ | including offline map rendering, routing & POI search | 16:40 |
| friese | M4rtinK_: i did, yeah, actually use that already, but it doesn't have a "real" turn-by-turn navigation with voice output for driving navigation | 16:41 |
| M4rtinK_ | well, I kinda have that in the modRana core | 16:41 |
| M4rtinK_ | still have to make the Qt 5 UI part for that though... | 16:41 |
| phlixi_o | well, i just mentioned nokia here stuff, since it is "jollas offial solution for maps"... i dont use it my self. | 16:41 |
| M4rtinK_ | (the TTS using spoken instruction generator is there) | 16:42 |
| r0kk3rz | here is no longer nokia | 16:42 |
| M4rtinK_ | (just not the UI part) | 16:42 |
| phlixi_o | (which makes me think jolla has to support android apps) | 16:42 |
| phlixi_o | i thought it is still branded nokia, but yea, that might have changed in the meantime | 16:42 |
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| phlixi_o | or is it "here we go" now? | 16:43 |
| phlixi_o | idk | 16:43 |
| phlixi_o | ^^ | 16:43 |
| r0kk3rz | its not been branded nokia since it was sold to daimler | 16:43 |
| phlixi_o | must have overlooked that ... as mentioned, i dont use it | 16:44 |
| r0kk3rz | i do, its turn-by-turn is better than googles for sure | 16:44 |
| mal | friese: helping hands are welcome to make sfdroid work properly on fp2 :) | 16:44 |
| friese | mal: i know, i know, but i sure wouldn't be of much help there, didn't even get it to run yet... | 16:45 |
| phlixi_o | but since you are here anyway M4rtinK_, thank you for your efforts in maps! much appreciated :-) | 16:47 |
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| M4rtinK_ | phlixi_o: thanks! :) | 16:48 |
| M4rtinK_ | but there is still a lot to do :) | 16:48 |
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| M4rtinK_ | like the turn-by-turn navigation with spoken directions | 16:48 |
| M4rtinK_ | I'd also like to add a local POI database | 16:49 |
| M4rtinK_ | so that users can add & show arbitrary POIs on the map | 16:50 |
| M4rtinK_ | again, the code is already there in the core, just the UI needs to be added/extended | 16:50 |
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| louisdk | Habe anyone tried buying a Intex Aqua Fish case from this site: https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=AS_20170227090635&SearchText=intex+aqua+fish+case - did it fit? | 17:07 |
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| phlixi_o | friese, r0kk3rz, tbr i just noticed that Russian SFOS comes without alien dalvik. if they said it comes WITH dalvik (which they did not), then this would have made me more confident about alien dalvik on xperia x... source: https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/27/jolla-inks-exclusive-license-to-kick-start-its-android-alternative-in-china/ "During the press event Jolla also noted the Russian | 17:40 |
| phlixi_o | version of its platform will not be utilizing Android app compatibility — which makes sense if you’re touting something being “absolutely Google free!”." | 17:40 |
| tbr | which also makes sense with their emphasis on security | 17:42 |
| friese | guess we'll have to see. i don't see that 100% google-free claim for sony and i think it's only for russian devices becuase its the unique selling point for the government there, so i hopefully doubt that applies to sony devs as well | 17:42 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi_o: why would those two things be related at all? | 17:44 |
| phlixi_o | because it would have had meant the strategy has not changed, to ship sfos with alien dalvik | 17:45 |
| phlixi_o | it does not mean it has not changed, but its not indicating in that direction :-) | 17:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | its an additional feature, seems in line with what the russian govt wants to do to leave it out | 17:47 |
| phlixi_o | sure | 17:47 |
| phlixi_o | no doubt about that | 17:47 |
| phlixi_o | i perfectly makes sense | 17:47 |
| phlixi_o | but was not my point :-) | 17:47 |
| phlixi_o | it* | 17:47 |
| r0kk3rz | but since we dont know what form the sony stuff comes in | 17:47 |
| phlixi_o | :D | 17:47 |
| r0kk3rz | then... who knows whether anything has changed there | 17:48 |
| phlixi_o | lol wtf https://developer.sonymobile.com/unlockbootloader/email-verification/ | 17:53 |
| phlixi_o | but, whatever... gn8^^ | 17:54 |
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| AL13N | is it normal that a bunch of qttools packages are out of date? i tried installing qttools-linguist, but no dice, the version was lower than the main qttools package | 19:22 |
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| ced117 | why didnt they do something with Fairphone... :( | 19:45 |
| ced117 | M4rtinK: i never had this issue with my JollaC (randomly restarts while on charger) | 19:47 |
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| ced117 | and, maybe i missed something, but Sony will NOT sell devices with SailfishOS directly, Jolla will only offer flashable image, right ? | 19:49 |
| ced117 | M-schmittlauch: here take at look at everything you have to remove just to change the battery (xperia x) https://ifixit.com/Guide/Sony+Xperia+X+Battery+Replacement/65962 | 19:51 |
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| ced117 | Oh well, it's nice to see more partners supporting SailfishOS anyway ! :) | 19:53 |
| r0kk3rz | ced117: it hasnt really been announced how it will work | 19:53 |
| r0kk3rz | but no, it seems unlikely that sony will sell anything | 19:53 |
| ced117 | i was reading the backlog and some tweets, but right, it's unlikely :/ | 19:54 |
| M-schmittlauch | ced117: 'Difficulty: moderate' Ok, it might not be the worst, nevertheless exchangeable batteries saved my ass multiple times and are in some aspects better than external powerbanks: Smaller, more efficient, don't hang around etc. | 19:54 |
| ced117 | I totally agree with you M-schmittlauch, thats why i'm sad that they didnt announce anything official with Fairphone | 19:55 |
| ced117 | user-exchangeable batteries is the way to go, thats for sure. | 19:56 |
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| ced117 | oh and i forgot, thanks again mal for your work on the Fairphone2 SailfishOS port ! ;) | 19:57 |
| ced117 | i love it. | 19:57 |
| mal | :) | 20:11 |
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| M-schmittlauch | argh. ran into the "pulley menus are getting stuck" issue again. So annoying | 21:14 |
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