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| * pahartik managed to get "Jolla Mobile" running again after "factory reset" and ~1 GiB of updates to "Sailfish Linux 2.0.5.6" | 03:00 | |
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| anekant | hi | 05:16 |
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| anekant | is there any easy way to install google play services on aqua fish? | 05:16 |
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| * pahartik probably needs to learn "Mer OBS" use again because "bt-network" keeps dropping connection after while | 06:03 | |
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| pdanek | Hello guys, | 12:32 |
| pdanek | Do you think Linux on mobile still has a chance in short term? | 12:32 |
| pdanek | Firefox OS was cancelled. | 12:33 |
| pdanek | Ubuntu Phone recently announced to rapidly slow down all development of new features. | 12:33 |
| pdanek | Sailfish OS was only able to get on Aqua Fish. | 12:33 |
| Helle | pdanek: well, Android is a thing ? | 12:33 |
| Helle | I mean Firefox OS was as much Linux as Android is | 12:34 |
| pdanek | yeah, I meant except Android, and yes Helle, I expected someone say that :) | 12:34 |
| Helle | I am still seeing potential in atleast a niche | 12:34 |
| Helle | for a "proper" Linux | 12:34 |
| pdanek | I wonder if Tizen will ever become Android competitor | 12:34 |
| Helle | although Wayland + Qt is making it a bit of a pain because that already makes it less trivial to port desktop apps | 12:35 |
| Helle | (otoh, been doing just that) | 12:35 |
| r0kk3rz | what is the benefit to the average user for 'proper linux'? | 12:35 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: there isn't | 12:35 |
| Helle | hence niche | 12:35 |
| r0kk3rz | exactly | 12:35 |
| Helle | although Android is such drainbramage | 12:35 |
| Helle | I don't mind Android on tablets, but on phones it's neigh unusable | 12:35 |
| Helle | (tried it after my N900 broke and couldn't get a N9) | 12:35 |
| pdanek | Helle: why unusable? | 12:36 |
| Helle | and once you start messing with CM to fix some of the core deficiencies, you might aswell switch to SailfishOS community ports... | 12:36 |
| Helle | pdanek: terrible UI | 12:36 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont really like it on tablets, hitting the virtual buttons on the middle of the tab | 12:36 |
| pdanek | I agree, they should have got rid of the buttons long time ago | 12:37 |
| r0kk3rz | edge swipe is so much nicer on a big screen | 12:37 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: well, I am using an updated version of the 4.1 launcher because of that on my tablets.... | 12:37 |
| itsxaos | whenever someone hands me their android phone i try to swipe to go back etc | 12:37 |
| Helle | you know, back when Android actually made a tablet specific UI | 12:37 |
| itsxaos | and i just dont get why they dont have that feature | 12:37 |
| itsxaos | its so intuitive | 12:37 |
| Helle | itsxaos: mhm | 12:37 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: i might have to try that, this one is 5.1 | 12:37 |
| r0kk3rz | or finish fixing sfos on it... | 12:38 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: it's weird, because Android used to have a good UI for 9-10" tablets and then went to hell | 12:38 |
| Helle | but because of the large screen size and not using it for phone stuff, the UI is acceptable for tablets | 12:38 |
| itsxaos | just how hard is it to port sfos? | 12:38 |
| Helle | on phones otoh, Android's UI is a nightmare | 12:38 |
| r0kk3rz | itsxaos: how long is a piece of string? | 12:39 |
| itsxaos | i could see myself trying to port sf to a nice smartphone at some point | 12:39 |
| Helle | itsxaos: basically, if you can get Cyanogen on it, you stand a good chance to get SailfishOS on it, but it takes some unknown amount of actual effort | 12:39 |
| itsxaos | to learn some more about it things | 12:39 |
| r0kk3rz | sometimes its not too bad, other times you're spending ages reverse engineering proprietary things | 12:39 |
| itsxaos | hmmm okay | 12:39 |
| Helle | but yeah, if the CM port relies on wrapped binary only things... | 12:40 |
| itsxaos | also | 12:40 |
| itsxaos | are hardware keyboard smartphones just dead now? | 12:40 |
| Helle | yep | 12:40 |
| itsxaos | aw man | 12:40 |
| r0kk3rz | more or less | 12:40 |
| itsxaos | sometimes i think i should have never sold my motorola milestone | 12:41 |
| r0kk3rz | BB is going to release one more, not sure if its going to be android or not | 12:41 |
| itsxaos | yea but bb's are stupid | 12:41 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: interestingly, if it is their own Linux creation, it might be easier to slip SailfishOS on it | 12:41 |
| itsxaos | with the keyboard on the front | 12:41 |
| Helle | given that it is also Mer based | 12:41 |
| Helle | but yeah, N900 keyboard is uuuh, my ideal ? | 12:41 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: huh? isnt bbos10 based on QNX? | 12:42 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: nafaik | 12:42 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: I thought they ditched QNX for that | 12:42 |
| Helle | might be mistaken | 12:43 |
| Helle | I didn't look long at it | 12:43 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm ok, but their bbos10 phones are super locked down and hard to get at the guts | 12:43 |
| Helle | Neo900 is sadly a project that is beign so slow that the board complexity would be much lower with even 2 year old chips now.... | 12:43 |
| Helle | so they are using old old chips with ridiculous board complexity | 12:43 |
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| SQUelcher | I'd love to have my E90 back | 12:44 |
| Jope | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N950-CIB-/272512289393?hash=item3f72ff8a71:g:Wq0AAOSwt5hYb4BU buy my n950 :-) | 12:45 |
| pdanek | Maybe LineageOS will be better future of Android | 12:46 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: why would it be any different to what cm was? | 12:46 |
| Helle | Android is so bad by design and not just the UI (but I am willing to over look the technical issues) | 12:46 |
| Helle | (well, for a bit) | 12:46 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: I don't know, but I like to believe it will | 12:47 |
| pdanek | :D | 12:47 |
| r0kk3rz | keep dreaming pdanek :) | 12:47 |
| pdanek | btw | 12:47 |
| pdanek | Pixel UI vs Samsung UI? | 12:47 |
| r0kk3rz | havent used either, no comment | 12:48 |
| Helle | pdanek: not been keeping up with that at the moment | 12:48 |
| Helle | but the UI things are more how there is no Telepathy API to unify messaging, etc | 12:48 |
| pdanek | yes | 12:49 |
| pdanek | but one thing makes the messaging hell bearable | 12:49 |
| pdanek | I can run all the messengers in the background with 6GB ram without ever caring that I use all | 12:50 |
| pdanek | Jolla 1 was constantly crashing apps for me because of that | 12:50 |
| r0kk3rz | it'd be nice to not need 6gb for messaging apps | 12:51 |
| Helle | oh, Jolla 1 is still my main phone, even though I have the C | 12:51 |
| Helle | more compact | 12:51 |
| Helle | will need to find a new battery for it in a few months | 12:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | i havent heard about any of the desire 310 batteries going bang | 12:55 |
| SQUelcher | Helle: Spare batteries appeared in a German shop a while ago: http://www.jubatec.net/akkus/handyakkus/jolla/akku-fuer-jolla-smartphone-jp-1301/a-1102/ | 12:55 |
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| Helle | well, there is a HTC battery that is near identical and uuuh, with atleast someone having done actual testing on it | 12:56 |
| Helle | I'm sorry, but high energy density and unbranded fresh from China has me hesitant | 12:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | i havent heard of them failing badly, just failing quickly | 12:59 |
| r0kk3rz | but after the samsung debacle, yes get good batteries | 12:59 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: well, I mean that wasn't the battery per se | 13:00 |
| Helle | it was the case design not taking into account that batteries expand when charging | 13:00 |
| r0kk3rz | SURE | 13:00 |
| Helle | but I've heard of cases of Chinese replacement batteries catching fire | 13:01 |
| r0kk3rz | but these things can fail in spectacular fashion if not treated properly | 13:01 |
| r0kk3rz | was my point | 13:01 |
| Helle | hence preferring the HTC ones, but been having a hard time finding even those | 13:01 |
| Helle | everyone seems to just be shuffling about the Chinese clones | 13:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | the desire 310 is an old phone these days | 13:01 |
| Helle | yep | 13:01 |
| Helle | but it's a surprising thing | 13:02 |
| Helle | and I just randomly found one, guess I should order | 13:03 |
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| RavenII | Could someone explain the whole thing with the Jolla tablet having a different graphics chip? Everything I read says that it just has the regular intel GPU | 16:02 |
| r0kk3rz | different output interface afaik | 16:03 |
| RavenII | Strange, still doesn't make sense that one version of SFOS works, and another one doesn't. | 16:04 |
| r0kk3rz | the original screen was terrible, so they got a replacement screen but it had a different input | 16:04 |
| r0kk3rz | and so had to do some rework on graphics | 16:04 |
| r0kk3rz | RavenII: https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-update/ | 16:10 |
| r0kk3rz | " The identified solution was to add an additional bridge IC (integrated circuit) to the PCB that converts eDP output to MIPI output for the display without losing quality or performance. " | 16:11 |
| RavenII | r0kk3rz: but wouldn't the firmware for it, have the changes? or else they'd have to release multiple versions, no? | 16:12 |
| r0kk3rz | RavenII: this was before release | 16:12 |
| RavenII | Ah. So the images I've got are probably older than dirt. | 16:12 |
| r0kk3rz | looks like | 16:13 |
| RavenII | Funny, because I can't imagine how much better the display can get, it's downright beautiful | 16:13 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont remember what the tablet was actually shipped with | 16:13 |
| r0kk3rz | RavenII: you may not have the same panel they did | 16:13 |
| RavenII | True | 16:13 |
| r0kk3rz | i never saw it personally, but from what i heard it was quite ugly | 16:17 |
| r0kk3rz | but anyway that converter IC is the difference, and perhaps that needs kernel stuff to work properly | 16:18 |
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| pdanek | Do you guys like the curved edge of Samsung Edge phones? | 16:31 |
| pdanek | Or you think it's useless? | 16:32 |
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| pdanek1 | Stskeeps: Hi! Did you swicth to iPhone yet? | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | pdanek1: no, yota for while being | 16:42 |
| harishsays | What are best available other half options gor Jolla 1 | 16:42 |
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| sakustar | pdanek why are they curved? | 16:44 |
| pdanek1 | sakustar: design and larger screen area in smaller case | 16:46 |
| sakustar | not the edge ones? | 16:47 |
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| kimmoli | soon they are round, and https://d.justpo.st/media/images/2016/09/19/life-before-smart-phones-reading-the-text-on-the-air-freshener-bottle-1474304404.jpg | 16:48 |
| sakustar | :D | 16:49 |
| pdanek1 | :D | 16:49 |
| sakustar | do the ones where the screen goes on the edge stop responding to touch events if you hold em in your hand? | 16:49 |
| sakustar | "gently balance on top of fingertips" seems like a good business model for selling new displays :) | 16:50 |
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