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| abranson | the_mgt: i'm not sure. pebble sold millions - that should be enough to sustain a company. i think the problem is they're all locked into this push towards growth, and fail if they saturate their market too early. I'm not sure why there can't be cottage tech companies. | 07:40 |
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| Stskeeps | abranson: i think that things would look a lot different if some tech efforts were owned by the users too | 07:42 |
| abranson | Stskeeps: yes, it's difficult to focus on a small market when big investors are pouring tens of millions into your company. | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | abranson: http://ukcryptocurrency.com/more/micropayment-calculator/ was a bit of an eye-opener for me | 07:44 |
| abranson | makes one wonder how often one could get away with those enormously successful kickstarters such as pebble (and the jolla tablet) managed. | 07:44 |
| abranson | Stskeeps: that's a real eye opener there | 07:45 |
| Jope | nice | 07:45 |
| r0kk3rz | abranson: yeah the recent successful hardware startups deliberately slow growth | 07:50 |
| r0kk3rz | look at oneplus | 07:50 |
| abranson | r0kk3rz: yeah, they showed you can even make the consequent scarcity a selling point. everyone wanted a oneplus one when it was invite only. | 07:52 |
| abranson | next jolla community phone should be invite only ;) | 07:52 |
| abranson | the Jolla C was very well received for such a tiny run | 07:52 |
| Nicd- | this all reminds me of Jennifer Government... :P | 07:53 |
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| temmi_hoo | well scarcity parsity but the slow growth means you also don't need to grow so fast that making profit is of no difference compared to vc money being shoveled in | 07:54 |
| temmi_hoo | with normal valley startup model the exponentialism is such a thing that if you do or don't happen to have any actual business doesn't really show up anywhere until the investors start to ask their funds returned when due | 07:55 |
| temmi_hoo | which is of course why most of them fail, has nothing to do with business and everything to do with financing model | 07:56 |
| r0kk3rz | temmi_hoo: afaiu they like to see huge growth because they want billion dollar businesses | 07:56 |
| temmi_hoo | that too | 07:56 |
| r0kk3rz | and industry domination, not just a tidy money maker | 07:56 |
| temmi_hoo | the vc funders in question think it is a must that 90% die during first three years and of those surviving, 90% just kind of exist without that hopeful exponential growth in business, so about 1% of the initially funded must cover all of the losses AND make the profit for that vc | 07:57 |
| temmi_hoo | even if the 9% that also survived could well pay off their debt and prove out to be a solid business albeit not one that grows faster than fast^fast | 07:58 |
| temmi_hoo | also, if you're not trying to grow the company faster than the actual paying cusotmer business grows you don't need that much vc money and you can build a solid company | 07:59 |
| temmi_hoo | yes it will be slower and yes it will have less profits for the investors and yes it will be more predictable that which number of slow solid growth companies do pay their investment and profit | 08:00 |
| temmi_hoo | i'm all for solid things instead of valley honeys | 08:00 |
| abranson | there are longer term benefits too that might not cash up so easily. such as having a finger in the pies of lots of different small tech companies with loyal customers, which would make it easier to find a market for a new one. | 08:01 |
| temmi_hoo | i think the valley model is just flawed on every level | 08:04 |
| temmi_hoo | even the flaws are flawed | 08:04 |
| temmi_hoo | every time somebody starts to thell that you cannot make money without going public and you cannot make money without making exit and you cannot make money without... ... i remind myself of würth, hilti and teknos | 08:05 |
| temmi_hoo | all privately owned longish term companies | 08:05 |
| temmi_hoo | the woman who owns teknos is i think the fourth generation family owner so nobody has yet made exit | 08:06 |
| temmi_hoo | everybody in the primary blood line is pretty nicely well to do | 08:07 |
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| temmi_hoo | the currently living people have been well to do from before they were born | 08:07 |
| temmi_hoo | so i think somebody has made nice amounts of money with solid slow growing business without any sort of exit | 08:08 |
| Jope | precisely my values also | 08:10 |
| Jope | when I was more depressed, I really really hated every aspect of the fast growth startup scene | 08:10 |
| Jope | the slush party made me feel physically ill | 08:10 |
| Jope | now I'm just concerned, no hate | 08:10 |
| * Stskeeps believes in the customers being part of that growth and earning from it | 08:11 | |
| Jope | I'm not sure whether the customers are entitled to the profits in my world | 08:12 |
| Jope | perhaps I'm too traditional there | 08:12 |
| larstiq | Jope: how about the losses? | 08:12 |
| locusf | given how much shit Jolla gets from its customers, yes | 08:13 |
| pp_ | there's the "customer owned company" model at least in .fi :D | 08:13 |
| Jope | larstiq, definitely also not the customer's responsibility | 08:13 |
| Jope | pp, you mean a co-op | 08:13 |
| Jope | s-market and all that | 08:13 |
| pp_ | yep, they've turned into monsters | 08:13 |
| Jope | yep | 08:13 |
| abranson | co-op is the best model for a company. just ask John Lewis. | 08:15 |
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| larstiq | Jope: customers do take on some risk supporting a company, Stskeeps's notion doesn't seem so far fetched to me | 08:19 |
| Jope | yep, I get where you're coming from | 08:19 |
| Jope | if you buy something that stops being supported soon after, you didn't get as much perceived value | 08:20 |
| larstiq | you might need to spend time/effort on migrating away | 08:21 |
| entil | you may know in advance that you're buying risk | 08:22 |
| Nicd- | pp_: well, you're free to run for a position in the co-op board | 08:22 |
| pp_ | the finnish ones grew too big and started expanding into e.g. russia, and now are controlled by politicians who give them zoning rights nobody else gets etc. | 08:22 |
| pp_ | the local co-op's own another central co-op and nobody really controls that monster | 08:23 |
| entil | pp_: at least the s-market cashiers ask "are you a owner?" when you buy something | 08:23 |
| entil | "ooh yes, I'm an _owner_" *fuzzies* | 08:23 |
| pp_ | I love the signs "Dear owner, please return your shopping cart here!" | 08:24 |
| larstiq | and the s-chain commercial where the son is standing on top of the world | 08:24 |
| Nicd- | pp_: and you're free to propose your local co-op separates from S-Ryhmä | 08:24 |
| entil | Nicd-: that's about as useful as proposing lapland secede from southern finland | 08:24 |
| entil | but this john lewis thing seems nice | 08:24 |
| entil | I love co-ops on smaller scales | 08:24 |
| Nicd- | is it Lapland's fault? or Finland's? | 08:24 |
| Nicd- | or the fault of the people who want to do something but never do? :P | 08:25 |
| entil | it's just the way the world works, it's no one's fault, things just tend to go that way | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | or perhaps the problems are that co-ops don't work with the traditional company model | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | that it's more of a network of participants | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | and value of that network | 08:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | plus theres still politics within co-ops | 08:45 |
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| abranson | there are still people involved after all... | 09:14 |
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| temmi_hoo | s-market doesn't really fit the co-op model very well as most of the customers just want to buy stuff and not really be part of the company | 09:23 |
| temmi_hoo | then the s-ryhmä is a co-op of the co-ops which is where business politics happens and you get weird results | 09:23 |
| temmi_hoo | when connecting s-ryhmä to external entities such as the local municipalities the s is no worse than any other | 09:24 |
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| temmi_hoo | everybody has their bedfriends and it's maan tapa all the way down | 09:24 |
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| Jope | temmi_hoo, fact | 09:25 |
| temmi_hoo | in finland we have this thing called maan tapa so we don't need corruption | 09:26 |
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| phlixi | to understand when to choose landgrab or sustain, i recommend a talk by the stackoverflow ceo | 09:32 |
| phlixi | you should not forget the needed investment for creating a smartphone or such | 09:33 |
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| phlixi | thats pretty much impossible without fast growth. thats why its hard... there is already apple and google... no landgrab avail | 09:33 |
| the_mgt | abranson yep, that is what I meant with that ipod shuffle thing. instead of focussing of doing well what they were already doing very well, they invented new stuff that was too niche | 09:39 |
| the_mgt | I mean, I understand the idea of creating new demands, because eventually everyone that wanted a smart watch already had one. like with tablets. or new german cars in china. at one point, the market becomes saturated | 09:40 |
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| Tomo | temmi_hoo: oh snap xD | 10:01 |
| temmi_hoo | hey it is official by all the relevant standards of how corruption is measured: finland has very little corruption | 10:02 |
| temmi_hoo | practically zero but there is a margin of error in the measurement | 10:02 |
| Tomo | yeah, i get that and also agree with you that the corruption is just hidden | 10:03 |
| Tomo | built into the systems of "hyväveliverkko" and all that | 10:04 |
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| temmi_hoo | and the "en arvellut olevani jäävi päättämään sukulaisilleni osittain virtaavista rahoista" | 10:10 |
| Jope | :-D | 10:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/01/ubuntu-phone-ota-15-ditched | 22:05 |
| r0kk3rz | well thats not a good sign | 22:05 |
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