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| sobukus | mal-: regarding the video recording on the Jolla … I recorded something important (for me) now, into a file of 5.5 GiB … too bad I notice that the image stalls from time to time … sound is smooth, but image gets stuck for a moment. Is this known? | 11:35 |
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| sobukus | I'll have a look if a different sdcard … but the needed write rate is not that big … below 2 MB/s ?! | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | jolla or jolla C? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | and sometimes journaling can really fuck things up | 11:41 |
| sobukus | the old holla | 11:42 |
| sobukus | jolla | 11:42 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: recorded direct to sdcard? | 11:42 |
| sobukus | Stskeeps: sure, there are possible causes, but the file does not seem corrupt, the player on the PC does not complain at all and the audio stays smooth … it just looks at the image stream just contains a still image for two seconds or so. | 11:43 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: Yes, to sdcard. Because I do not want to trash my system partition with btrfs again. | 11:43 |
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| sobukus | I'd have to test now if it is the same with the internal storage. The issue seems to be frequent enough that I should see it in a 5 min video. | 11:44 |
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| sobukus | I also notice an odd framerate … MPlayer tells me the jolla recorded in 29.917 fps … not 30 or 29.97. | 11:47 |
| sobukus | Maybe this is new with the fresh gstreamer in the early preview SFOS. | 11:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | sobukus: just did 1 min test on jolla c, i see what you mean | 11:58 |
| r0kk3rz | have you tried playback on a different device? | 11:59 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: Great … as I can confirm that it happens also with internal storage. Each 12-14 seconds or so, I get a sticky moment. | 11:59 |
| sobukus | I play with MPlayer on my laptop. | 11:59 |
| sobukus | The movement is a bit choppy all the time, but the big stops seem to be regular. | 11:59 |
| r0kk3rz | in general it was ok, but yeah clear freezes in the video | 12:00 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: This is with the early access firmware, right? | 12:00 |
| sobukus | I don't think I had this before. | 12:00 |
| r0kk3rz | yes 2.0.5 | 12:01 |
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| sobukus | This really, really, should be fixed! | 12:01 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont do a lot of video recording to check earlier | 12:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | i could fire up the trusty sbj to check | 12:01 |
| r0kk3rz | thats probably still on 2.0.2 | 12:01 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: So i'll open a tjc issue/question and you'll add the remark about testing on Jolla C? | 12:01 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, ping msameer in it as well | 12:02 |
| sobukus | What's sbj? | 12:02 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla1 | 12:02 |
| sobukus | abbreviation for … ? | 12:02 |
| r0kk3rz | device codename | 12:02 |
| sobukus | ah | 12:02 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: What settings did you use for recording? | 12:06 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: seems quite choppy on my jolla with 2.0.1 | 12:06 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: Quite choppy … but not that big pause? | 12:07 |
| * sobukus wonders if the change of camera settings with kimmoli's plugin may have an influence, although it meant _lower_ resolution | 12:07 | |
| r0kk3rz | perhaps not as big, but more often i guess | 12:07 |
| sobukus | Why did nobody complain yet? Are people that used to bad video recordings?! | 12:08 |
| r0kk3rz | the camera is pretty shit, so my guess is they dont use it | 12:08 |
| sobukus | Phones are advertised for their greate cameras all the time (because talking to people on the big slabs generally sucks) … | 12:08 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont really use mine much | 12:08 |
| sobukus | I don't think the camera is that bad. Of course, it doesn't really do low light conditions … but you should be able to get a stable stream out of it. | 12:10 |
| r0kk3rz | of course | 12:10 |
| r0kk3rz | its worth reporting, and might still affect better hardware, ports .etc | 12:10 |
| sobukus | Man, should I've kept my Nokia E90? … the Jolla is about as thick with the TOHKBD … but the E90 software was really shit and it ate batteries like crazy. | 12:11 |
| r0kk3rz | heh, holding onto old devices doesnt solve anything though | 12:12 |
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| sobukus | r0kk3rz: But back to the facts. You confirm choppy video on the old SFOS, but you did not observe the big still periods (tried to record about a minute)? | 12:12 |
| * sobukus notes that video recording on the E90 seemed fine … | 12:13 | |
| r0kk3rz | i only recorded 30s, in general id say it was worse than jolla c due to more frequent hiccups | 12:13 |
| r0kk3rz | there were a couple of major still periods like jolla c | 12:14 |
| r0kk3rz | either way, id say its not a regression with new gstreamer, but something else | 12:15 |
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| kimmoli | sobukus: what did you change there? resolution? bitrate? | 12:16 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: lowered res to 720p … bitrate to … 12 Mbps | 12:17 |
| * sobukus wonders if the camera uses binning at 720p to improve sensitivity | 12:17 | |
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| kimmoli | dunno 12 Mpbs is default | 12:22 |
| kimmoli | +, | 12:22 |
| sobukus | OK | 12:23 |
| sobukus | Since r0kk3rz describes choppy video, too, I guess the settings are not too blame. | 12:24 |
| sobukus | But I somehow cannot believe it that things are so broken. Nokia phones did smooth video before:-( | 12:24 |
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| kimmoli | this is not the nokia phone you're looking for | 12:28 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla != nokia, not even close | 12:52 |
| FireFly | I use the camera quite a lot but practically never record video | 13:03 |
| FireFly | But yeah, jolla isn't something I'd buy for its camera | 13:05 |
| kimmoli | i just got camera trigger button not responding, i.e. not taking photo. restart camera and works again. 2.0.5.6. onyx. | 13:06 |
| sobukus | Hm, seems like audio is sometimes chopped, too … just less likely. | 13:10 |
| sobukus | So it somehow does seem related to data rate … or buffer sizes. | 13:10 |
| sobukus | Sometimes the image freezes for a moment and audio is fine, but sometimes audio is chopped, too. | 13:11 |
| sobukus | I would be happy with the video quality if it were smooth. Perhaps some gstreamer tuning is possible. | 13:11 |
| r0kk3rz | did you create tjc? | 13:12 |
| sobukus | The comparsion to the video of a Raspberry Pi with PiNoIR camera might be unfair in difficult light conditions (generally dark stage with lots of spotlights). | 13:12 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: Not yet, I was looking for possible duplicates. | 13:13 |
| sobukus | (and for action cams around 40 € that might be an easier route … though they all got 170 degree fisheye lenses, that's too gross for me). | 13:13 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: Is there a shortcut to link between tjc questions or should I paste in the full URL? | 13:15 |
| r0kk3rz | full url | 13:17 |
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| sobukus | r0kk3rz: Thanks … https://together.jolla.com/question/152267/camera-video-recording-choppy-with-big-pauses-in-video-and-skips-in-audio/ | 13:35 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: And about holding onto old devices … once the phone is replaced and not used anymore for chattery and app fun … using it as a camcorder only is an option to keep the hardware in use and not having to throw it away simply because one got something better. | 13:36 |
| sobukus | I got an old android phone … too insecure to connect to any network due to outdated OS … if it did support ext4 sd cards, it would be a fine camcorder with an external USB power bank. | 13:37 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: that tjc is really wordy, cut it down a notch, describe the issue and how to reproduce | 13:39 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: Well, I rather wanted to mention all aspects … and yes, also convey the embarrassing nature … is one page of text too much to read? | 13:42 |
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| sobukus | How long should a report be? | 13:43 |
| sobukus | Or add details as comments? | 13:43 |
| r0kk3rz | you can do what you like, but imo speculation about why nobody else has reported it and things about other cameras raspberry pis .etc is off topic | 13:49 |
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| sobukus | r0kk3rz: better now? | 13:49 |
| sobukus | I just had a big urge to vent about this. I hate it when technology fails at us at things that _used_ to work already. | 13:50 |
| r0kk3rz | i can see you wanted to have a big whinge, which is fine but doesnt actually ever solve anything | 13:50 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats much more to the point | 13:52 |
| sobukus | Now I need to decide if I'll invest the time to cut the Jolla recording into many pieces to align to the separately recorded audio track and fill the gaps with the material from the other recording from the Raspberry Pi, | 13:55 |
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| sobukus | How do you calculate justifyable time/cost when it's about an event that got recorded once and won't happen again in that manner? | 13:56 |
| sobukus | r0kk3rz: Do you happen to know if the whole h264 compression is happening in software? | 13:57 |
| sobukus | I can imagine that the processor would struggle with that, also with NEON optimisation. | 13:58 |
| sobukus | Actually, I cannot really imagine that it _can_ do live 1080p compression in software. | 13:59 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea about that, you would think it was hardware accellerated | 14:01 |
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| MMori | Anyone who bought Intex Aquafish on ebay, did you need to send a photo of your credit card there? | 17:59 |
| kimmoli | yep | 17:59 |
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| MMori | I find it a bit odd | 18:00 |
| kimmoli | yep | 18:00 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe thats just how it works in india | 18:00 |
| MMori | did you contact their customer support? | 18:00 |
| kimmoli | i tried different photos, but only after i sent just what they asked, i got my stuff | 18:00 |
| MMori | that sucks | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of fraud ther | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | w | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | e | 18:02 |
| MMori | well I'll need to set lower transaction limits to the card | 18:02 |
| MMori | just to be sure | 18:03 |
| MMori | and keep an eye on it | 18:03 |
| coderus | they say you can hide expiration date on card when sending photo | 18:09 |
| MMori | well yes | 18:10 |
| MMori | but there's mixed information about what information one needs to make a transaction online | 18:11 |
| coderus | they just need to be sure its not stealed card :) | 18:12 |
| MMori | some say it's enough to compromise the security even if exp date is hidden | 18:12 |
| coderus | well, your choice | 18:15 |
| MMori | I know :) | 18:15 |
| MMori | Just found it odd, that's all. | 18:16 |
| r0kk3rz | sure its odd, but im not sure they will gain anything you arent giving them to make the transaction anyway | 18:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | and if something dodgy happens, you can call your provider and get it reversed anyway | 18:18 |
| kimmoli | and if you have stoled a card, wouldnt you be able to take photo of it? | 18:18 |
| coderus | physically stolen card blocking in ~1 hour | 18:19 |
| coderus | it's all about stolen cards data | 18:19 |
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| MMori | :) | 19:08 |
| MMori | Got your point | 19:08 |
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| sobukus | OK, now … not sure if this is new with 2.0.5 SFOS, but … I got an Android app being convinced that there's only 0.5 GB of storage although both sd card and internal storage on my Jolla 1 have > 6 GB free. | 19:35 |
| sobukus | Is that a hidden setting, limiting Alien Dalvik storage use? | 19:35 |
| cehteh | is the sd card mounted? | 19:36 |
| sobukus | yes | 19:38 |
| sobukus | I look at df output in terminal. | 19:38 |
| sobukus | Hm, in fact this seems to be specific to Mapfactor which I just freshly installed via Aptoide. | 19:40 |
| sobukus | Osmand sees 6 GiB free. | 19:40 |
| sobukus | I reinstalled Mapfactor since it was to starting up since an OS update. Maybe that update just broke it. | 19:40 |
| * sobukus wants to use offline maps and routing … Mapfactor is the only app that properly offered that so far | 19:41 | |
| cehteh | osmand is good with offline maps, its routing is so lala, there is brouter for bike routing, but also lala :D | 19:44 |
| cehteh | i want monav working again :D | 19:44 |
| sobukus | Well, osmand crashes a lot currently and it totally falls flat for longer routes (> 100 km … definitely for > 1000 km). | 19:46 |
| sobukus | In Mapfactor the routing is a snap. The comparison to osmand is embarrassing. | 19:47 |
| sobukus | But as long as it refuses to download maps, it is rather useless. | 19:48 |
| sobukus | Damn, osmand just crashes now. | 19:48 |
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| sobukus | Whoa … everyting alien dalvik crashes. I got "alien_audio_ser: unhandled page fault" in dmesg. | 19:50 |
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| sobukus | That doesn't look good. | 19:51 |
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| sobukus | [75267.775146] lowmemorykiller: Killing 'org.openttd.sdl' (19048), adj 0, to free 128764kB on behalf of 'kswapd0' (50) because | 19:56 |
| sobukus | That might be a hint. | 19:56 |
| sobukus | Mem: 828692k total, 779700k used, 48992k free, 116k buffers | 19:57 |
| sobukus | Swap: 627908k total, 476780k used, 151128k free, 275556k cached | 19:57 |
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| sobukus | ouch | 19:57 |
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| * sobukus looking at memory usage of Sailfish components | 20:25 | |
| * sobukus horrified | 20:25 | |
| Stskeeps | don't forget to look at COW | 20:26 |
| sobukus | Well, part of it is that vmsize generally is huge compared to actual memory use, but even the rss … 35232 K for android_contacts … something I'm never using and that is just there for being there. | 20:27 |
| sobukus | voicecall-ui needs 30M resident memory … and 300M virtual! | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | that's alien dalvik and you probably do | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | until you touch pages virtual doesn't matter | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 20:29 |
| sobukus | with virtual mem being 10 times the actual, how do you want to get a grip on what apps are actually going to use? | 20:29 |
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| sobukus | But I'm sadly aware that this is becoming the norm for applications. | 20:34 |
| sobukus | With a device that only has 1G RAM, I hoped that memory usage was under more scrutiny. | 20:36 |
| sobukus | Jolla settings app needs over 40M RSS? | 20:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | theres a lot of graphics in the settings app | 20:39 |
| sobukus | Well … eh … I guess I won't finish that discussion now. Back to the actual issue: not being able to use Mapfactor since it thinks there is not enough storage. | 20:39 |
| sobukus | I reboot the Jolla and now Mapfactor had a time out waiting for "the SD Card" and offers me now a choice between internal memory, external SD 1 and external SD 2 (my actual SD card) | 20:40 |
| sobukus | The path for "internal memory" is under /dev/shm/Android … so the 400M size is understandable. | 20:42 |
| sobukus | SD 1 is under tmp, wich again is a tmpfs. | 20:42 |
| sobukus | Only SD2 seems to refer to … hm, that's the internal storge of the Jolla, although it's claimed there is 8 GB free out of 13.7, while df tells me there is 6.2 GB free … but then … the numbers don't add up. Btrfs is playing with me. | 20:44 |
| sobukus | How is it supposed to work with the Android storage in tmpfs? | 20:44 |
| sobukus | Does not look very persistent to me. | 20:44 |
| sobukus | At least now I know how I caused out of memory condition … I filled /dev/shm/Android . | 20:45 |
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| svuorela | sobukus: also note that quite many apps uses heavy libraries shared with many other processes, and in many memory counters, shared libraries are counted fully in all processes. | 20:57 |
| sobukus | svuorela: Yeah, I know … and that is part of the disease, you really don't know how much memory you need. | 20:58 |
| sobukus | Heavy libraries on a telephone … anyhow … btrfs balance made around 1.5 GiB magically reappear. | 20:59 |
| sobukus | Hm, or maybe just 1 GiB … but still, it is really quite bold to use a filesystem designed for devices where 1 GiB is in the rounding error for the 16 GiB onboard SSD. | 21:00 |
| svuorela | sobukus: all of qtcore/qtgui/qtdeclarative/... and all the sailfish styling is quite heavy. But luckily because of the joys of shared libraries, they are .. shared. | 21:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | sobukus: theres a reason why all the newer devices are using ext4 on lvm | 21:13 |
| sobukus | Ah, really. Didn't know that. So only we unlucky Jolla 1 users got the smallest device with the biggest experimental server filesytem. | 21:14 |
| r0kk3rz | 'unlucky' pfft, try 'pioneering' :P | 21:16 |
| kimmoli | :) | 21:18 |
| coderus | #unlike | 21:23 |
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| sobukus | kimmoli: This might be funny for you … Mapfactor is actually unusable _without_ TOHKBD, as the search dialog, after having selected a location, obscures the final choice what to do with it (navigate to, display on map) with the on-screen keyboard. | 21:35 |
| sobukus | The keyboard input is not even applicable for that final menu. Not sure if that is a bug in the app or the Jolla Android runtime. | 21:36 |
| sobukus | Is there a trick to make on-screen keyborad go away, apart from attaching TOHKBD? | 21:37 |
| kimmoli | swipe it down? | 21:37 |
| sobukus | No avail. | 21:38 |
| sobukus | Ah, wait. | 21:38 |
| sobukus | Hm. | 21:38 |
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| sobukus | It reacts a bit weird, but indeed … touching the keyboard and swiping down does make it disappear. Bummer. I'm really a troglodyte mentally tied to physical keys. | 21:38 |
| sobukus | Usually I make it vanish by deselecting the text box wanting input. | 21:39 |
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| sobukus | kimmoli: thanks, I guess I should do something productive instead of playing with smartphones (not even with any social media app installed). | 21:41 |
| kimmoli | well, playing with these can be productive | 21:42 |
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