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| pdanek1 | Hello guys, | 18:23 |
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| pdanek1 | Microsoft announced new cheap line of VR devices for PCs | 18:23 |
| pdanek1 | perhaps some middle ground between Vive/Oculus and mobile VRs | 18:23 |
| pdanek1 | Which VR you think will truly drive the market and have most of money put in? Mobile VR? | 18:24 |
| pdanek1 | Because PC's are kind of dying right? | 18:24 |
| pdanek1 | And #2, is Jolla already working on some form of VR support? | 18:25 |
| Riotela | I understood you-know-who is working on it (Turing Mobile Industries) | 18:27 |
| Riotela | I just realised it's TMI which is also Too Much Information :O | 18:28 |
| kimmoli | isn't it TRI ? Turing Robotics ? | 18:29 |
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| Riotela | Oh, that explains show realizing. Who is MI or where did I take it? | 18:30 |
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| Yaniel | ToiMinimI? | 18:34 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek1: im not convinced PCs are dying, they just became 'good enough' | 18:34 |
| r0kk3rz | and then VR came along and suddenly they arent anymore | 18:34 |
| pdanek1 | r0kk3rz: you look at it from European + US point of view, where having PC is a norm | 18:42 |
| pdanek1 | but the real potential and huge market of people raises in South America, Africa and Asia | 18:42 |
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| Yaniel | yes? | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek1: and? theres quite a large amount of things people do on PCs that is not really practical on another form factor | 18:45 |
| Yaniel | just because half of the world doesn't use PCs doesn't mean the PC is dead | 18:45 |
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| pdanek | Test test | 18:46 |
| r0kk3rz | designers, planners, engineers, programmers, creatives, doctors, everyone uses PCs for loads of things | 18:46 |
| pdanek | Did I miss message before? | 18:46 |
| pdanek | I just see "designers, planners, engineers, programmers, creatives, doctors, everyone uses PCs for loads of things" | 18:46 |
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| pdanek | r0kk3rz: yes, I don't say PCs will be gone, I discussed which platform will dominate VR market and I still think it will be 80% mobile VR and somewhere around 10% will be PC VR and another 10% consoles VR | 18:47 |
| pdanek | if not more than 80% | 18:47 |
| r0kk3rz | im not sure mobile is good enough | 18:48 |
| pdanek | it isn't now | 18:48 |
| r0kk3rz | but you might be right, its not so much about what is best but what people have | 18:48 |
| pdanek | but phones were kind of getting too powerful and nobody needed the power, who wants to play 3D games on 5 inch display | 18:48 |
| pdanek | now there is finally huge reason for getting faster cpus and gpus in phones | 18:49 |
| r0kk3rz | if you dont have a pc, slapping down $1000 for a good gaming pc is megabux | 18:49 |
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| pdanek | my girlfriend's family in Vietnam, they just have one older laptop at home used for web browsing or some work | 18:50 |
| pdanek | but most of them have smartphones and tablets, mostly expensive iphones or samsungs, despite their low wages | 18:50 |
| pdanek | and that's how it looks in most of emerging markets | 18:50 |
| pdanek | I only tried GearVR and it was quite impressive already... now what will be 2 years ahead | 18:52 |
| pdanek | htc vive and oculus is fine for gamers who have high end gaming PCs, that will be "enough market" to drive their development and sales | 18:52 |
| pdanek | but mobile VR will skyrocket IMO | 18:53 |
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| Yaniel | maybe, but it'll suck | 18:53 |
| Yaniel | for a long time | 18:53 |
| pdanek | that's why I wonder whether Jolla already has that, at least on drawing board | 18:53 |
| pdanek | planned* | 18:54 |
| pdanek | because Jolla is now just playing catch up game | 18:54 |
| r0kk3rz | i doubt it | 18:54 |
| r0kk3rz | and i dont really see what they would bring to the VR game that isnt already being brung | 18:55 |
| pdanek | nono... I mean support of existing Daydream VR on Jolla etc. | 18:55 |
| pdanek | but perhaps that won't be so difficult to implement when the times comes? | 18:55 |
| r0kk3rz | that would be up to myriad i think | 18:56 |
| pdanek | because I don't know how good the AlienDalvik is right now, if it develops at all | 18:56 |
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| pdanek | support for VulkanAPI in Jolla for example | 18:56 |
| tango_ | I wish aliendalvik was replaced with a fully open source dalvik VM 8-/ | 18:57 |
| Yaniel | I wish aliendalvik was replaced with native apps | 18:57 |
| pdanek | I think it's safe to say at this point, that Jolla's only chance to survive is keep supporting Android apps and keep improving the support | 18:58 |
| pdanek | native apps dream has died | 18:58 |
| pdanek | and Myriad, isn't the only customer using Alien Dalvik being Jolla? | 18:58 |
| pdanek | or anyone else uses it? | 18:58 |
| tango_ | it would be nice if there was an sdk that allowed Qt apps for SailfishOS to be compiled for android as well | 18:59 |
| pdanek | I wonder whether there is any development in AlienDalvik still | 18:59 |
| pdanek | or they just keep it alive | 18:59 |
| pdanek | hmm | 18:59 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: why has the 'native apps' dream died? | 19:00 |
| Yaniel | well, you do kind of have a point with the death of native apps | 19:01 |
| Yaniel | I mean look at atom: we don't even get native text editors | 19:01 |
| Yaniel | and that's on desktop | 19:01 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: because even Windows Phone's biggest weakness is lack of native apps and they're 100x bigger than Jolla | 19:02 |
| pdanek | If anyone activately developed native apps after released of Jolla, that effort in community seems to be 10% of what we had before | 19:02 |
| tango_ | the market is too small and with basically no ROI | 19:03 |
| r0kk3rz | tango_: im not convinced theres much ROI in any apps anywhere | 19:03 |
| tango_ | r0kk3rz: for most apps, that's true | 19:03 |
| r0kk3rz | but sure, lots of early supporters of jolla have left | 19:04 |
| tango_ | but then again most apps don't even need to exist in the first place, or are stupid clones of each other | 19:04 |
| pdanek | I think Jolla needs to become another android with cool gestures | 19:04 |
| pdanek | meaning that the support for android apps will be radically improved | 19:04 |
| tango_ | and that's on any market (ios, android or windows phone) | 19:04 |
| pdanek | and android buttons: home, back and menu, would be somehow inteligently replaced by gestures | 19:04 |
| pdanek | Jolla needs to become -> Sailfish needs to become* | 19:05 |
| tango_ | pdanek: meh, I still have a preference for native apps where possible | 19:05 |
| pdanek | tango: you alone are not going to keep the company alive :) | 19:05 |
| tango_ | and as I said, this would be possible if it was possible to 'write once' and then have the app compile both as a sailfish os app and a Qt on Android app | 19:05 |
| r0kk3rz | tango_: its not far from it actually | 19:06 |
| r0kk3rz | theres some tools to do that | 19:06 |
| pdanek | wow, first time I see that video (wait for the second part with CEO talking): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYiWAcv5ogQ | 19:07 |
| r0kk3rz | hopefully we will see some more cross ports once we get on qt5.6, same as ubuntu touch is moving to | 19:07 |
| tango_ | (how does maps.me do ios+android+windows?) | 19:08 |
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| mornfall | tango_: your write once claim is as bogus as it always was... | 19:36 |
| mornfall | the apps never fit, not with java, not with qt, not with myriad other "write once" technologies | 19:36 |
| mornfall | oh, html5 of course | 19:37 |
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| phlixi_ | html actually works pretty good, its just really bad implemented usually | 19:37 |
| phlixi_ | sadly | 19:37 |
| mornfall | ... | 19:38 |
| mornfall | it's good, but it's bad, yeah | 19:38 |
| mornfall | makes sense... also, html apps look out of place everywhere | 19:38 |
| phlixi_ | that bad execution, because there is nothing an html app has to look like, it can look like anything | 19:39 |
| mornfall | so you write dozen versions of your app to make it fit... whooosh there goes write once | 19:40 |
| phlixi_ | well, i dont buy the "write once" stuff as well... but in theory its just another stylesheet | 19:40 |
| mornfall | yeah, because buttons can be replaced with swipes in a stylesheet | 19:40 |
| phlixi_ | dispolay | 19:41 |
| phlixi_ | oops | 19:41 |
| phlixi_ | display:none | 19:41 |
| phlixi_ | gestures can be done in js | 19:42 |
| phlixi_ | google hammer | 19:42 |
| phlixi_ | ^^ | 19:42 |
| Yaniel | congrats, you just broke the layout of your entire app | 19:42 |
| Yaniel | not that anyone cares, but it just became a little bit more horrible | 19:42 |
| mornfall | phlixi_: yeah, no. | 19:42 |
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| pdanek | What happened to Yotaphone? I thought they were successful, I would have expected Yotaphone 3 by now. | 20:28 |
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| coderus | pdanek: well... | 20:41 |
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| pdanek2 | coderus: hey | 21:06 |
| pdanek2 | did I miss some reply? :D | 21:06 |
| coderus | nope | 21:06 |
| pdanek2 | coderus: Do you know some Yotaphone guys? | 21:06 |
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| pdanek2 | they went surprisingly quiet | 21:07 |
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| coderus | yotaphone 2 was not successful | 21:08 |
| coderus | they dropeed price a lot to sell at least something | 21:08 |
| pdanek | coderus: oh really, I thought it was | 21:08 |
| pdanek | is there any other Russian OEM that is successful with smartphones? | 21:08 |
| pdanek | I mean successful outside Russia | 21:09 |
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| cehteh | the idea with the oled display is nice | 21:23 |
| cehteh | err epaper | 21:23 |
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| coderus | hm, Highscreen? | 21:26 |
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| schoppenhauer | Hi. Whats the easiest way to install mosh on sailfishos? | 23:39 |
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