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| ShadowJK_ | cehteh, that hasselblad mod was worse than the original camera mostly, right? | 04:21 |
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| kimmoli | https://nexpaq.com/ | 04:27 |
| kimmoli | bluetooth connected add-on-thingy | 04:28 |
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| Nicd- | ShadowJK_: who says that? | 07:04 |
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| Acce | Nicd-: Apple gets to write their own drivers and make their hardware, we mortals are at mercy of random manufacturers and their poor android drivers :/ | 09:13 |
| Nicd- | yes, I've heard their chip designs are very good | 09:14 |
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| ShadowJK_ | nicd iirc review bu anandtech | 14:43 |
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| pa | btw | 15:34 |
| pa | is there any plan to improve the ui? | 15:34 |
| pa | or allow alternative launchers? | 15:34 |
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| coderus | writing custom launcher is somewhat possible | 15:37 |
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| pa | ah nice, is theree any such thing? | 15:40 |
| pa | like with a quick menu | 15:40 |
| pa | and also it would be so great if the back button wouldn't be that half dot on the top left.. | 15:40 |
| pa | bb10 is still light years ahead interface-wise | 15:41 |
| coderus | you know what sfos is gesture-based, right? :D | 15:43 |
| coderus | back button should be removed imho and just indicator should stay | 15:43 |
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| Lieke | eh, i never knew you can actually click the indicator to go back | 15:47 |
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| Jope | you can also tap top right to go forward, but swiping is so much nicer | 15:59 |
| Lieke | yeah | 15:59 |
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| phlixi_o | sorry, ot, but is twitter down? | 16:14 |
| phlixi_o | or do i have a f*ckup in my network infra? | 16:15 |
| tadzik | half the internet is down today | 16:15 |
| Yaniel | fsvo down | 16:15 |
| phlixi_o | my first thouhgt amazon is down, but https://www.amazon.com/ loads for me | 16:15 |
| Riotela | phlixi_o: would GitHub also happen to be down for you? | 16:16 |
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| phlixi_o | i dont use github, buts down for me too | 16:16 |
| Riotela | I noticed Twist being down after you mentioned | 16:16 |
| Yaniel | apparently there's a huge DDoS against a major DNS provider going on for the bigger part of the day now | 16:16 |
| Tegu | github.com does not resolve. nslookup gives SERVFAIL | 16:16 |
| Tegu | (same for twitter.com) | 16:16 |
| Yaniel | (bet you it's that internet of toilets again) | 16:17 |
| Tegu | does anyone happen to have a recent IP address for either of them? | 16:18 |
| tadzik | soon we'll keep our own dns servers | 16:19 |
| phlixi_o | Tegu 104.244.42.193:443 | 16:22 |
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| phlixi_o | but right now https://twitter.com/ loads just fine for me | 16:22 |
| Yaniel | quick, scrape the DNS database | 16:23 |
| phlixi_o | na, enough for today... gn8 :-) | 16:23 |
| Yaniel | I should probably jot down the IP of my VPS just in case | 16:23 |
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| Tegu | this seemed to have a twitter.com address that nslookup gave even today http://imgur.com/gallery/AUIwzH3 | 16:24 |
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| Riotela | Do you know if Telegram is also down? It would explain the silence of #jollafanclub | 16:37 |
| Yaniel | judging from the activity in an irc channel that is bridged to telegram, no | 16:38 |
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| tadzik | telegram's up | 16:40 |
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| pdanek | Do you guys think 4GB ram on android is really enough? | 18:57 |
| Jope | it is in a way | 18:57 |
| pdanek | Or I will utilize the 6GB on my upcoming oneplus 3? | 18:57 |
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| pdanek | Because 2GB on my Nexus 5 is definitely not enough | 18:58 |
| Jope | the problem with android is that even if you have a lot of ram, the apps you push to the back die anyway :-D | 18:58 |
| pdanek | hmm | 18:58 |
| Jope | so your web browser will reload everything when you flip it back to the front etc | 18:58 |
| Jope | just terrible | 18:58 |
| pdanek | it's not just about this | 18:58 |
| pdanek | my apps are crashing sometimes | 18:58 |
| Jope | but this is what the public wants, or something. i don't understand why the americans are so short sighted about multitasking in phones | 18:58 |
| pdanek | and I blame memory | 18:58 |
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| pdanek | Jope: the browser thing annoys me too | 18:59 |
| tigeli | and with all the memory leaks they have in android it really does not help even you would have 12GB of RAM | 18:59 |
| Yaniel | s/in phones// | 19:00 |
| pdanek | hmm | 19:00 |
| pdanek | but I mean | 19:00 |
| Riotela | http://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/eCeHjIJnVgSvdvcRxLgJVwZI - Screenshot_20161021-220023.png (81KB) | 19:00 |
| pdanek | few years ago 2GB memory would be perfect | 19:00 |
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| pdanek | but nowadays my nexus 5 is just not enough with 2GB for my normal use (no games) | 19:00 |
| Riotela | OnePlus 3 with some weeks of use + Greenify, no idea if it helps you | 19:01 |
| pdanek | so having 6GB in oneplus 3 is kinda future proof for another 2 years ahead? | 19:01 |
| pdanek | when apps will get more and more hungry? | 19:01 |
| * Riotela hopes so | 19:01 | |
| pdanek | Riotela: thanks | 19:01 |
| Riotela | You're welcome | 19:02 |
| tigeli | Riotela: why would you want to use something like greenify.. it just makes the background processes start over and over again | 19:02 |
| pdanek | Riotela: why do you use OnePlus 3? | 19:02 |
| pdanek | We're Jolla only here! | 19:02 |
| tigeli | :D | 19:02 |
| pdanek | They Took Our Jobs! | 19:02 |
| Riotela | tigeli: it doesn't start them unless I start the apps. I have only greenified those apps that I don't depend on and which have no excuse of running all the time and they seem to follow that logic too | 19:03 |
| pdanek | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_kC_bP28iQ | 19:03 |
| Riotela | pdanek: too old hardware and some kind of Android-depedency | 19:04 |
| pdanek | Riotela: my Jolla is gone as well :( | 19:04 |
| Riotela | http://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JCOGZikUjqPWvyQwTgpgzxTO - Screenshot_20161021-220410.png (188KB) | 19:04 |
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| Riotela | currently hibernated has a few dozen apps and I haven't seen them restarting by themselves. By the way I am unrooted and stock ROM | 19:05 |
| Riotela | pdanek: my Jolla1 works as secondary phone for people whom I do/might not want to give my main number | 19:05 |
| pdanek | Riotela: OnePlus has dual SIM doesn't it? | 19:06 |
| pdanek | all of the oneplus models actually | 19:06 |
| Riotela | pdanek: yes and you see me using it in the screenshots | 19:06 |
| pdanek | oh so you have 3 sims? | 19:06 |
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| Riotela | Cable connection also gave me 4G data connection that was useless for me before getting this phone and my main talk connection has only 2G and tends to cost only ~10€/month | 19:07 |
| Riotela | In two phones, yes | 19:07 |
| Nicd- | I have 4 GB in my Android phone and it seems to work fine | 19:08 |
| pdanek | hm | 19:09 |
| Nicd- | "Average memory use 2.3 GB" | 19:09 |
| pdanek | Riotela: I saw triple sim phones or even quad sim on internet | 19:09 |
| pdanek | but never thought of usecases like this | 19:09 |
| pdanek | this only proves that every single phone should have at least dual sim | 19:09 |
| pdanek | and there is no excuse | 19:09 |
| Riotela | Triple SIM could be nice for people who travel abroad a lot and need data | 19:10 |
| pdanek | I travel a lot | 19:10 |
| Nicd- | I have dual SIM but only if you don't use microsd :D | 19:10 |
| pdanek | so I need at least dual sim | 19:10 |
| Nicd- | it takes the place of the second SIM | 19:10 |
| pdanek | that was big reason for oneplus | 19:10 |
| pdanek | we have nano sims now | 19:11 |
| pdanek | I'm sure it doesn't take that much space | 19:11 |
| pdanek | dual sim is like phone not having camera at all | 19:11 |
| pdanek | I mean, single sim is like phone not having camera | 19:11 |
| pdanek | I think it's absolutely core function | 19:11 |
| pdanek | and people who say they would never use it, I think they would | 19:12 |
| pdanek | everyone would use it at least few times per life | 19:12 |
| pdanek | and price wise,... no dditional cost | 19:12 |
| pdanek | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utRww8-QuBw | 19:12 |
| pdanek | that's 4 USD smartphone and has dual SIM! | 19:12 |
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| Nicd- | dunno, I have never had any use for dual SIM | 19:13 |
| Nicd- | our mobile contracts are good enough | 19:13 |
| pdanek | image you go for vacation | 19:13 |
| pdanek | instead of using your roaming data | 19:14 |
| pdanek | just walk into nearest store and buy cheap prepaid card with data | 19:14 |
| pdanek | everyone goes for vacation once upon a time | 19:14 |
| r0kk3rz | dualsim would be nice if it worked | 19:14 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: what do you mean | 19:15 |
| pdanek | if it worked well in Android or Sailfish? | 19:15 |
| pdanek | I haven't actually tested the dual SIM in Intex Aqua Fish, is it working very well? | 19:16 |
| Nicd- | pdanek: so rare that it's not a big issue | 19:16 |
| Nicd- | I just don't use the internet abroad unless there's wifi | 19:16 |
| pdanek | Nicd-: oh ok | 19:16 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: it doesnt really work on jolla c | 19:16 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: I thought they added support, so what kind of problems does it have? | 19:16 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah they did, but for my usecase the second sim doesnt really stay active | 19:17 |
| pdanek | Riotela: is the dual sim support on OxygenOS without issues from your experience? | 19:18 |
| Riotela | pdanek: once it started using SIM1 (the 2G one) for some reason, but I never had any other issues and think that might be user error and data was easy to change back to SIM2 | 19:20 |
| pdanek | I thought one sim is 2G+3G | 19:21 |
| pdanek | and second is 2G+3G+4G | 19:21 |
| pdanek | is that correct? | 19:21 |
| tango_ | 9G | 19:21 |
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| Riotela | pdanek: I have no idea what they are other than SIM2 reports being LTE most of time while not in the middle of nowhere | 19:22 |
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| Riotela | And WLAN connection makes the connection type symbol disappear entirely and SIM1 never tells me what is connected to and I assume it's 3G as it hasn't given me reason to think it's 2G and my contract doesn't have access to 4G network and AFAIK my carrier doesn't do calls with 4G | 19:23 |
| pdanek | hmm | 19:24 |
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| pdanek | btw, an idea how dual SIM can be actually useful for everyone | 19:27 |
| pdanek | the internet in calls + data plans is usually much more expensive | 19:27 |
| pdanek | if you need A LOT of data, I imagine having one data-only SIM and one sim for calls, would be better deal? | 19:28 |
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| Riotela | Especially if your ISP forces you to also take a 4G connection with the same price (and DNA was the only one with native dualstack and cable instead of DSL coming to my apartment) | 19:29 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: thats what i have, i dont really call or sms much and i can get twice the data for the same price on data only sim | 19:32 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: that would be my case as well | 19:33 |
| pdanek | even most of the calls I do are calls abroad, using Skype credit to call | 19:33 |
| pdanek | but I still have a need for phone number to make and receive regular calls | 19:33 |
| r0kk3rz | i need to be callable more than making calls myself | 19:33 |
| pdanek | but the main need is data, I need at least 40GB per month | 19:34 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i dont, i just thought 'hey i can dualsim, why not' | 19:34 |
| pdanek | and I faced in Sweden, data is much more expensive than UK or Ireland :( | 19:34 |
| r0kk3rz | except my data sim kicks off my calls sim | 19:35 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: what do you mean kicks | 19:35 |
| r0kk3rz | interferes with | 19:35 |
| pdanek | if I am downloading at 10mbit/s speed on sim1 and at the same time I want to make a phone call on sim2, can it cause problems? | 19:35 |
| pdanek | is it just sailfish issue then? or does the same happen on android? | 19:36 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla c is dual standby, only one can actually be doing something | 19:36 |
| r0kk3rz | which is fine if someone rings me and it drops off my data | 19:36 |
| r0kk3rz | or i call out | 19:36 |
| pdanek | hmm | 19:36 |
| r0kk3rz | but what im seeing is the opposite | 19:37 |
| pdanek | that's not fine | 19:37 |
| pdanek | because very often when I call with someone, I need to browse / search during my phone call | 19:37 |
| pdanek | damn | 19:37 |
| pdanek | that kinda kills the usecase of: sim1 for data only, sim2 for calls | 19:37 |
| r0kk3rz | i think some phones might be able to do dual active | 19:38 |
| pdanek | but then I guess 2 antennas are needed? | 19:38 |
| pdanek | and drains more battery? | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | probably | 19:39 |
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| pdanek | r0kk3rz: but can you actually receive calls on both SIMs without manually switching between them> | 19:43 |
| pdanek | ? | 19:43 |
| pdanek | I mean, can you get phone call on sim1 at 4:30 | 19:43 |
| pdanek | and another call on sim2 5:30 | 19:43 |
| pdanek | without switching anything? | 19:43 |
| pdanek | I used dual SIM 2 years ago | 19:43 |
| r0kk3rz | often my calls sim shows no signal with my data sim active | 19:43 |
| kimmoli | if you dont talk too long on first call | 19:43 |
| pdanek | and I don't remember | 19:43 |
| r0kk3rz | but if i switch, then its fine | 19:44 |
| pdanek | kimmoli: :D | 19:44 |
| pdanek | hm | 19:44 |
| r0kk3rz | and i have had instances where i dont get texts or people cant call me when my data sim is active | 19:44 |
| kimmoli | i have sim1 for data/calls, sim2 incoming calls mostly | 19:44 |
| r0kk3rz | but im pretty sure thats probably ofono | 19:44 |
| pdanek | Riotela: Did you ever face this case on oneplus? | 19:45 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: my second sim is data only, so no calls | 19:46 |
| Riotela | pdanek: what case? Sorry, IRL problems, if you mean data SIM preventing call and SMS, surely not | 19:46 |
| pdanek | Riotela: yes that's what I meant | 19:47 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: so I guess this is ofono issue then | 19:47 |
| pdanek | so maybe Android is more stable for dual sim than sailfish atm | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | i would expect so | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | its had it a lot longer, and on a much greater scale | 19:48 |
| kimmoli | i haven noticed issues with my setup, onyx w. sailfish | 19:48 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | is store down ? | 19:48 |
| r0kk3rz | or maybe its just shoddy intex hardware, who knows | 19:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i don't think so | 19:49 |
| r0kk3rz | dr_gogeta86: that wasnt in reply to you :P | 19:49 |
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