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| till- | is 2.0.4 out yet? | 09:51 |
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| larstiq | no | 09:52 |
| tango_ | does it support wpa-eap yet? 8-) | 09:53 |
| till- | just wondering because of https://together.jolla.com/question/146274/changelog-204fiskarsinjoki/ | 09:53 |
| pp_ | is 2.0.3 out yet? :P | 09:53 |
| larstiq | pp_: yes | 09:54 |
| larstiq | till-: it's halfway out the door | 09:54 |
| till- | so it's time to start a backup? :) | 09:54 |
| r0kk3rz | woo update! | 09:55 |
| * larstiq would do that when your device sees it | 09:55 | |
| till- | so it's more a matter of days than hours? | 09:55 |
| r0kk3rz | "Add missing symbols for Qualcomm Camera HAL." - does this fix the annoying shutter sound on jolla c? | 09:56 |
| larstiq | till-: yeah, maybe bit longer. | 09:56 |
| till- | okay, thanks for the info. afaik the last time the changelog was published shortly after the release note and the availablity | 09:56 |
| larstiq | till-: there is a hurdle atm, and we're buys this week | 09:57 |
| till- | no rush, I was just curious :) | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | yaay new embedlite | 10:00 |
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| tango_ | 24 | 10:33 |
| jpaana | is 2.0.4 coming with Qt 5.6 as there are quite a few mentions of that in the changelog? | 10:34 |
| larstiq | jpaana: not in 2.0.4 as more needs to be done compared to what you see in the changelog | 10:36 |
| larstiq | but some prep work for it is in 2.0.4 | 10:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | fpd - fingerprint daemon cool | 10:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | wow. 2 years after a working patch they've put in a UI for conference calling | 10:45 |
| jpaana | larstiq, ok thanks, good to know | 10:46 |
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| TMavica | Update cancelled? 😑 | 13:19 |
| Yaniel | harbour got scared by the onslaught of people | 13:20 |
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| TMavica | larstiq: cancelled? | 14:22 |
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| larstiq | TMavica: no, just changelog bit ahead | 14:31 |
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| TMavica | nice | 14:43 |
| TMavica | standing by | 14:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | "Andromeda is a hybrid of Android and Chrome OS" - well that was the worst kept secret in the world | 15:02 |
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| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: 10 bucks it's just a VR thing giving you chromeos in VR | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:07 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/09/26/exclusive-google-is-planning-a-pixel-3-laptop-running-the-andromeda-os-for-release-in-q3-2017/ | 15:07 |
| r0kk3rz | apparently goog is building a surface pro | 15:08 |
| Jope | hmmh | 15:08 |
| Jope | I liked the chromebook pixel.. I had the first one back in the day | 15:09 |
| Jope | very nice hw but not enough storage :-D | 15:09 |
| Jope | these days sd cards are large enough that it would be a different story | 15:09 |
| r0kk3rz | its chromeos, you're supposed to store it in 'the cloud' | 15:09 |
| Sidde | where google owns you and your private life | 15:10 |
| Sidde | hurray for the cloud... | 15:10 |
| Jope | r0kk3rz, I ran xubuntu on it | 15:10 |
| Jope | chromeos was terrible, I tried it briefly before clearing the emmc | 15:10 |
| r0kk3rz | heh nice | 15:11 |
| r0kk3rz | i was tempted to do similar | 15:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | but the pricetag was too much to swallow | 15:11 |
| Jope | yep, twas expensive | 15:13 |
| Jope | well, I was an OQO man too .. they weren't cheap either | 15:13 |
| Jope | had the 01+ and the 02 | 15:13 |
| Jope | sold the 01+ to finance the 02 tho :-D | 15:14 |
| r0kk3rz | i was unemployed and my laptop broke, so i was slightly more price sensitive than usual | 15:14 |
| Jope | I can imagine yes | 15:15 |
| Jope | I had a fat severance pkg from nokia back then so it was not as much of an issue | 15:15 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | 15:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | sledges_, ping | 15:27 |
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| roboro | anybody else have an issue with the tablet where the screen blanks whenever there is a notification? | 16:19 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, you have the tablet hmm | 16:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, one of the lucky few | 16:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, I like many got a 1st partial refund, I spent mine rather quick | 16:21 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when the second half comes or not, that depends | 16:22 |
| roboro | :) I got in there super quick when they announced it... | 16:22 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, whats it like? and does it get enough updates now or not? | 16:23 |
| roboro | I'm mostly happy that I got it... but I am not so convinced that a huge amount of development will go into it in the future unless other manufacturers start making similar devices | 16:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, I have to make do with Ubunu tablet and remix ultra tablet | 16:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and a broekn a bit still ipad air if i want to use that | 16:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, I think they ame out with a new phone for the indian market or something | 16:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I read something before | 16:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, indeed though Jolla doesn't seem to have much potenail at becoming more popular, as in the like Firefox popular we have had for lots of yers | 16:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | it's not quite main streame but it's known by many | 16:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | get what I mean? | 16:25 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, Ubuntu has the vision and potentail at doing something like that though it seems to me, but certain things are holindg that back for now, lack of native apps etc | 16:25 |
| roboro | yep... the android vm helps for Jolla... but native app development has definitely slowed down | 16:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, yeah indeed the android app compatability is good with Jolla | 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and I guess TIzen too | 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | uhmm Tizen well | 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | turns out my Tizen phone is already in the UK | 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but I didn't know, so didn't get it today | 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | coudn't answer door then | 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | was at home though | 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but they will re deliver tommorow | 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, I am doing an event aimed at general public for next month | 16:27 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | where going to do some desktop linuxey stuf so ubuntu mostly | 16:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | ,but I also want to do some mobile Linux | 16:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | show some mobile linux in a few forms | 16:28 |
| roboro | I'll be interested to see how Tizen does... but in the end I think I will try to stick with Jolla for as far as it goes | 16:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | Ubuntu, Jolla, Tizen, and I guess even Firefox OS a bit since I got one | 16:28 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, yeah Jolla is nice, but why stick with it in your case? | 16:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but I don't think it's going to quite go main stremae or something close, as in like how Firefox did | 16:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | seems the only player that has a chance at doing something like that maybe in the next few years, and actsaully wants to properly do it as a vender as well, is Ubuntu | 16:29 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro Tizen has the advantage of having sAMSUNG behind it | 16:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | a big trusted name brand company by the main stremae | 16:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | people think SAMSUNG IS so good | 16:31 |
| roboro | yeah... will just have to see what the future holds | 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, I think if Samsung decided not to tell Android phones anymore, and go all tizen everywhere, they could do it, and still get quite a lot of sales | 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | sell not tell above | 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | not sell | 16:32 |
| roboro | problem will be the market for apps | 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, how would you promote Jolla to the general public? | 16:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well Tizen has a Android compataiblty layour thing like Jolla as well | 16:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, do you think Jolla is even for the general public if only they knew, or not? | 16:33 |
| roboro | I think Jolla messed up pretty badly with the tablet | 16:34 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, well yeah there's that | 16:35 |
| roboro | reputation with the public is damaged | 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | invester issues etc, so the problems getting the tablet out to lots of people | 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, but I think the phone is still on sale? | 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | could the phone be suitable enough for lots of non geeks as well | 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that's my question | 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | basically | 16:35 |
| roboro | sure... but who wants to buy one from a company that looks like it is struggling to stay afloat | 16:35 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well yes that's a point as well | 16:36 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, is it easy to just use like a android phone etc? do ou think | 16:36 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | factory re set | 16:36 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | use genrally etc etc | 16:36 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | not really usd my jolla phone taht much since certian reasons... | 16:36 |
| roboro | but I think the OS is good and would appeal to non-geeks if the markets were better organized and native apps were more available | 16:36 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well when I got mine i treid out lots of android apps and it worked well | 16:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | for that | 16:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, can a Android phone be replaced by a Jolla phone, to acsually run most Android apps and well or not do you think? | 16:37 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, I am doing an event as I was saying, and want to show mobile Linux in a few of its forms as well :), hence the qustions | 16:38 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I am just thinking if I should just mostly focus on Ubuntu, and only show and mentiong other htings a bit or hmm | 16:39 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, might be fun showing a Samsuing phone that runs something else though, Tizen :d | 16:39 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | peoples beloved Samsung | 16:39 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | peopel generally trust big names | 16:39 |
| roboro | I would suggest showing a variety of things... it is also good to see what small names can achieve in a market that seems too globally competitive to provide a space | 16:40 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | a varierety of things as in? | 16:40 |
| roboro | Jolla was pretty much ahead of Ubuntu and Samsung... and took on Android/iOS/Windows headon | 16:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | did they | 16:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | when ? | 16:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | before the tablet issues ? | 16:41 |
| roboro | sure | 16:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I think Salifsih OS | 16:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | can do more than Ubuntu touch | 16:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | since it can run android apps to | 16:41 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | however once Ubuntu touch has liberitne/xmir arm based apps sorted out to work more proeprly and for easy install, then that will be ineresting | 16:42 |
| roboro | 2013 | 16:42 |
| roboro | that's when the Jolla phone was launched | 16:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah and Firefox os i think | 16:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and ubuntu touch | 16:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | or something like that | 16:42 |
| roboro | I'm not sure there were devices on sale for ubuntu touch | 16:42 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | no but on the nexus it was available | 16:42 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | on cusom roms | 16:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so the start of that | 16:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | not untill last year for the first two actusal devices i have both :) | 16:43 |
| roboro | so jolla beat them all to the market... | 16:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | firefox os may have been first | 16:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | though | 16:43 |
| roboro | commercially available device | 16:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | firefox os with commericall y availalbe devices i think may have been first | 16:44 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | but ones that targetted africa and places like that so hmm | 16:44 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, so you hink it's good to show a few non main strema mobile options and things that can do, with htat, at my event? | 16:45 |
| roboro | really, though, both Firefox OS and Ubuntu force you to go backward... you can't install apps that you are used to using or that your colleagues and friends and family have access to | 16:45 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | at events can show things, even if things people aren't acsaully just going to buy becuase of whatever | 16:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | well Mozilla gave up as a mobile vender early this year | 16:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | or last | 16:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | year | 16:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | can still get it on some phones, and it will still be sold on Panasonic smart tvs | 16:46 |
| roboro | I would definitely show the Jolla... because it shows that it is possible to cross the app divide by virtualizing | 16:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but Firefox os looks rather nice on the phone I have, so I think may as well show that a bit at least at my event as well say something about that and yeah :) | 16:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, I'll have to sort out my jolla again properly if going to show that really | 16:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | or get sledges_ to join m or someone like that possibly :) | 16:47 |
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| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, but yeah you want like pokenmon go and stuff like that working on the jolla | 16:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | then people will be like hmm | 16:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | explain it's no ANdroid, but look it can run.... | 16:48 |
| roboro | I wish it wasn't like this.. because in many ways the android layer slowly dominates in the use of the OS... but it does allow for you to transition away from android without the problem of leaving behind the apps you know and love | 16:50 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, yeah indeed, but then people don't just go use native apps, is the like down side to that, which is what you meant I think | 16:50 |
| roboro | indeed | 16:51 |
| roboro | although if I can find a native app I use it instead | 16:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | that's why I thought ubuntu was loike no to android app support | 16:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | ,but acstaully it seems to be since some actsual technical reasons | 16:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | it can't just be done since... or it can't be done since... | 16:51 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | roboro, when I fisrst got my jolla I had lots of android apps I had put on, in the shipped version | 16:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | after a week or so of that, I thought hmm, well ok Android apps, but should install a native app | 16:52 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so I tried to install a native app and guess what happended? | 16:52 |
| Lieke | what happened? | 16:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | bricked my phone | 16:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | went black | 16:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | unsable | 16:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | unusable | 16:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | so I came back here.. and said what had happended | 16:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and it was like, for a start, well we told you to upgrade from the shipped version! | 16:56 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I didn't want to upgrade the os at all at first, since first time using it | 16:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | but yeah the apps in the store were made for a later version of qt apparnatly than what my version of the os had, and so it all went wrong | 16:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | then since it was a old version of the os as well, no btfs snap shot ors omething like that as well, no easy recovery, had to start over via a computer, and lose what was on the phone | 16:57 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | didn't lose anything important, but yeah | 16:58 |
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| Lieke | yeah, not a great first experience | 16:58 |
| EyeA | )01!@ | 16:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi EyeA not sure who you are, but from uk like me, where abouts? I am doing an event where well.... | 16:58 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | Lieke, indeed | 16:58 |
| * SebthreeBQM10HD trys to get someone more expereinced with Jolla into the event maybe :), | 16:59 | |
| pketo | SebthreeBQM10HD: installing native apps from should not brick the phone. could you tell what app that was? | 16:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | sledges_, we need a chat when your around about that kind of thing ^^^^^ | 16:59 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | pketo, I don't remember and it was like over two years ago that now | 17:00 |
| pketo | okay | 17:00 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | who is from uk in here | 17:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | ? | 17:01 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and where abouts? | 17:01 |
| * SebthreeBQM10HD is looking for some possible people to demonstrate Jolla a bit for my event as well, so it's not just me :D | 17:01 | |
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