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| UnnamedUser | is anyone can help me? | 01:58 |
| UnnamedUser | i need to get some help to solve a very strange problem | 01:59 |
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| tadzik | so, there is now no sailfish phone available on the european market? :/ | 07:08 |
| Jope | not for a long time | 07:08 |
| tadzik | I guess that's a gg | 07:09 |
| tadzik | looks like there are some, rare opportunities to buy a C on TJC though, I guess I'd give that a shot | 07:15 |
| Jope | yep | 07:17 |
| Jope | have you looked into running sfos on android devices | 07:17 |
| Jope | some of the community ports are quite complete | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | fairphone is probably best offering but super expensive | 07:20 |
| kimmoli | unfortunately oneplusX is not available anymore (as new) | 07:27 |
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| tadzik | it'll feel like half a phone without android support, unfortunately | 07:29 |
| Nicd- | Aard: also, I can finally play Pokémon Go! | 07:32 |
| Nicd- | \o/ | 07:32 |
| Nicd- | but everyone else has already stopped playing :( | 07:32 |
| Nicd- | I'm too late | 07:32 |
| tadzik | we're back to our scheduled programming of visualboyadvance and pokemon silver downloaded from some shady website | 07:35 |
| Nicd- | google play music seems to work pretty fine for personal music library streaming | 07:36 |
| Nicd- | except it uploaded one track wrong and it skips like 20 seconds o_O | 07:36 |
| SQUelcher | tadzik: you could still buy a super cheap Aqua Fish on ebay, but that's not really european market ;) | 07:37 |
| tadzik | SQUelcher: they don't support european LTE though, do they? | 07:38 |
| SQUelcher | tadzik: 800MHz is missing, the other bands should work | 07:39 |
| tadzik | oh | 07:40 |
| tadzik | that's not that bad then | 07:40 |
| tadzik | though that leaves only one that's overlapping with my provider, 1800 | 07:42 |
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| kimmoli | i neede to clear fault codes from my car, torque lite didnt work on android phone with my wifi obd thing. had to install Android support on C, and it worked... | 07:47 |
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| kimmoli | but i see there is obd sailfish native in works, need to fork and add wifi support for it | 07:48 |
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| pdanek | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aquodFJYz8Q | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | how's sweden? | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:22 |
| pdanek | :D | 17:24 |
| pdanek | cold | 17:24 |
| pdanek | but more sunny than UK | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | just wait for winter | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:26 |
| pdanek | yep :D | 17:26 |
| pdanek | fortunately the indoors seem to have better isolation than UK housing | 17:26 |
| pdanek | Has anyone tried the new Meizu Pro 5? Also new Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 was released! | 17:26 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: Do you still use Sailfish OS as your primary phone? | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | i do | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | got a jolla c | 17:29 |
| pdanek | Hmm | 17:29 |
| pdanek | I sold my Aqua Fish 2 days after it arrived to me | 17:29 |
| pdanek | After few months of using Nexus device, I just got used to it and Sailfish looked like it didn't improve at all for past 1 year when I tried it again | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | probably going to use a android phone at some point in future if a sailfish device that i like doesn't come along, but for work and demos | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | not totally against the idea of an iphone | 17:31 |
| pdanek | I wonder what will Google eventually show on 4th october | 17:31 |
| pdanek | nexus devices were always my best android experience I had | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | 10 bucks on 'we merged chromeos and android and oh it's not open source' | 17:32 |
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| pdanek | :D | 17:32 |
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| pdanek | hopefully AOSP won't die | 17:33 |
| pdanek | because lately it's been synced by google less and less | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | 'hardware adaptation layer available to approved ODMs" | 17:33 |
| r0kk3rz | from what the copperheados guys are saying, aosp is not far off dead already | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | the only thing google needs to really keep OSS is what's being sent to chipset vendors and they send to ODMs | 17:34 |
| pdanek | if that happens, what will happen with all those community ROMs out there? | 17:35 |
| pdanek | they won't have anything to build on | 17:35 |
| pdanek | it will only take larger teams like Cyanogen to keep the development going | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | well, google can't have been happy about cyanogen's behaviour | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | (continuing above) and something that can boot up a test display of relevant hw details, like camera, etc | 17:36 |
| pdanek | Cyanogen said some time ago that they want to steal Android from Google | 17:36 |
| pdanek | Now if Google will kill AOSP, Cyanogenmod/OS will just die slowly I guess | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | cyanogen's already dead | 17:38 |
| pdanek | Is it because so many things missing in AOSP? | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | they burnt way too hard the investment they got with not good enough results | 17:38 |
| pdanek | Or is there another bigger ROM out there? | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | dead company walking | 17:38 |
| pdanek | by bigger I mean more popular | 17:38 |
| r0kk3rz | the community side of cyanogenmod might survive | 17:40 |
| r0kk3rz | but agreed, the commercial side is dead | 17:40 |
| pdanek | that's funny | 17:41 |
| pdanek | https://copperhead.co/android/ | 17:41 |
| pdanek | they have image of Nexus 5 there | 17:41 |
| pdanek | yet no Nexus 5 in list of supported devices: "CopperheadOS currently supports the Nexus 9, Nexus 5X and Nexus 6P." | 17:41 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: "hardware adaptation layer available to approved ODMs" --> is Jolla one of them? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: i have no idea how disturbed they'd want to do things | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | jolla's not a ODM | 17:44 |
| pdanek | So Sailfish will be impacted as well | 17:45 |
| pdanek | by HAL | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | well, we're in hypotheticals | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | sailfish can survive with HAL, not a problem | 17:45 |
| pdanek | How is it with Sailfish development now? | 17:46 |
| pdanek | Is it finally on same speed and quality as 2 years ago? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 17:46 |
| pdanek | It all seems to be like Sailfish is becoming totally closed-development beast for Russian government :D:D | 17:47 |
| pdanek | me* | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't say that's true | 17:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: this year they've just been in customer support mode, which is a good thing | 17:50 |
| temmi_hoo | pdanek: surprised about the level of heating in .se? | 17:50 |
| temmi_hoo | in late 1700s they invented wood burning stove that catches around 80-90% of energy stored in wood as heat in the room | 17:51 |
| pdanek | no heating yet actually | 17:51 |
| temmi_hoo | indeed because insulation and leakless windows | 17:51 |
| pdanek | but despite no heating, it seems warm enough indoors, when cold outside | 17:51 |
| pdanek | which means better isolatin :) | 17:51 |
| pdanek | isolation | 17:51 |
| temmi_hoo | also the outer door does not open straight into living rooms but to a separate closet that acts as a kind of airlock | 17:52 |
| pdanek | in UK and Ireland, it seemed to be like most energy wasting countries in the world | 17:52 |
| pdanek | me* | 17:52 |
| temmi_hoo | things like these have been standard for around 200+ years in nordic countries | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz | temmi_hoo: out of necessity im sure | 17:53 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: Do you know if any serious development boost is planned for next year? | 17:53 |
| temmi_hoo | the end of 1700s invented stove was result of the then king setting up a scientific study group to find out ways to enable the citizens burn less wood as he felt too big part of nation's resources was spent on surviving the cold | 17:54 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: theres plenty on the books for this year :) | 17:54 |
| pdanek | Guys | 18:03 |
| pdanek | Let's just imagine something now | 18:04 |
| pdanek | Google made AOSP and allowed hundreds of companies to popularize Android over the years | 18:04 |
| pdanek | now Android has perhaps 85% market share and there is huge money in it | 18:04 |
| pdanek | Image Google will become evil now, and from day to day, they will simply kill AOSP completely, and make the entire development proprietary | 18:05 |
| pdanek | and only sell their Google Pixel devices with Android, like Apple only has iPhone with iOS | 18:05 |
| Helle | Google is becoming evil, see Google Play | 18:05 |
| r0kk3rz | i cant see them closing android off that much | 18:06 |
| pdanek | And all the people would be forced to buy Google devices | 18:06 |
| r0kk3rz | remember most people have samsungs, not nexus phones | 18:06 |
| pdanek | to have up to date Android experience | 18:06 |
| pdanek | hmm | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | if google did that, i have to wonder whether the market share of tizen would skyrocket | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | i doubt there'd be substantial impact | 18:08 |
| pdanek | hmm | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | people go with where their digital life is | 18:08 |
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| temmi_hoo | why would the vendors continue with google if google did close the system? | 18:25 |
| phlixi | google has no interest in closing. | 18:31 |
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| pdanek | temmi_hoo: they wouldn't continue, but the vendors wouldn't have the capability to develop their own OS in short time to compete Android | 18:34 |
| pdanek | so google woulc become new Apple, selling billions of Android phones on their own, the only monopoly and other OEMs would bankrupt | 18:35 |
| temmi_hoo | or they would adopt some of their slow burning backup plan oses as fast as they could, allowing some of the survival | 18:35 |
| temmi_hoo | pdanek: https://wheretheroadbends.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/kakelugn_canals.gif | 18:42 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: samsung has tizen, LG has webos, HTC would probably go back to microsoft | 18:45 |
| r0kk3rz | but, google doesnt want to be apple, thats not what they're about | 18:46 |
| pdanek | temmi_hoo, r0kk3rz: +1 | 18:47 |
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| pp_ | there's enough of AOSP to make forks completely viable | 18:49 |
| temmi_hoo | if you look at the gif you'll see that the hot gases travel a long way in the mass of tiles and if you burn it in such a fashion that secondary burn happens you'll end up with efficacy of around 80% | 18:49 |
| temmi_hoo | the rest of the energy will be sacrificed into keeping the chimney in good shape | 18:50 |
| pp_ | e.g. nokia and amazon did most of the stuff required | 18:50 |
| temmi_hoo | ideally the hot gases will enter the chimney at around 200°C so as to be well above condensing in the chimney, thus keeping the chimney dry | 18:50 |
| pdanek | pp_: nokia? | 18:51 |
| pp_ | yes, they did have some android phones(!) | 18:51 |
| temmi_hoo | naturally the cooler the gases the less energy goes to waste but at some point you'll get condensation in the chimney and that creates all sorts of problems | 18:51 |
| pp_ | Microsoft was not happy | 18:51 |
| pdanek | pp_: do you have some source for this? | 18:52 |
| pp_ | remember Nokia X | 18:52 |
| pdanek | oh I remember now! | 18:53 |
| pdanek | I'm getting old | 18:53 |
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| pdanek | temmi_hoo: and the stress and pressure at workplace seems to be lower than in UK | 18:54 |
| pp_ | they had quite a bit of developer docs on avoiding google play api's | 18:54 |
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| pp_ | heh, interesting home for them: http://developers.apps.opera.com/nokia-x/platform-overview | 18:55 |
| pdanek | I wonder why both Nokia X and Amazon Firephone died | 18:57 |
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| pdanek | how come it didn't gain any popularity for being "different"? | 18:57 |
| pp_ | Microsoft, dunno | 18:57 |
| pdanek | that kinda shows that Sailfish being "different" won't suceed either? | 18:58 |
| pdanek | People don't seem to crave for things which are different | 18:58 |
| pdanek | or maybe it's just all about marketing | 18:58 |
| FireFly | most people seem content with android | 18:58 |
| pdanek | and that's the biggest leverage that Google has on OEMs | 18:59 |
| pdanek | that even AOSP is free | 18:59 |
| pdanek | OEMs pay license for access to Google Play | 18:59 |
| pdanek | because without Google Play, people would move elsewhere, because they want content | 18:59 |
| pdanek | even big player like Samsung,... most people I have seen with Samsung are using Google Play on it instead of Samsung Store | 19:00 |
| pp_ | installing play on jolla is just such an easy way of getting it to do useful things :( | 19:00 |
| pdanek | installing google play was always first thing I did on my jolla to make it usable | 19:01 |
| pdanek | but I am different animal in this | 19:01 |
| temmi_hoo | it's a bit like with windos on the pc | 19:01 |
| pdanek | I always needed my 5-6 messenging apps to be running in background and 1GB ram was heavily not enough due to that | 19:01 |
| temmi_hoo | median person it content on getting the normal corolla version of whatever | 19:01 |
| temmi_hoo | they don't want to actually learn to use it, they just want it because everybody else is having it | 19:02 |
| temmi_hoo | hence they want the same as others | 19:02 |
| temmi_hoo | it must be good as everybody is having it, right? | 19:02 |
| r0kk3rz | temmi_hoo: well, everyone can't be wrong can they? | 19:02 |
| temmi_hoo | :) | 19:03 |
| pdanek | I can't help it, but I love their ad :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aquodFJYz8Q | 19:04 |
| pdanek | sorry for double posting it today | 19:04 |
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| RzR | hi | 19:06 |
| RzR | my j1's audio recieved is not working, I am about to do a factory reset | 19:07 |
| RzR | tell me if anything should be checked before | 19:07 |
| kimmoli | earpiece broken? does it work eith headphones/-set | 19:09 |
| kimmoli | ? | 19:09 |
| kimmoli | and... received from where? | 19:10 |
| RzR | headphone is ok | 19:10 |
| kimmoli | handsfree ok? | 19:10 |
| RzR | not headphone detection but I have n9 one not amercian standards | 19:11 |
| kimmoli | built-in handsfree speaker phone whatevö ok? | 19:11 |
| phlixi | headphones of a n9 are not vompatible | 19:11 |
| phlixi | differnt wiring | 19:11 |
| phlixi | compatible* | 19:11 |
| kimmoli | propably hw issue, pogo pins | 19:13 |
| RzR | yea eu vs us | 19:15 |
| temmi_hoo | there are two common different wiring patterns for four pin 3,5mm jack plug | 19:15 |
| temmi_hoo | not really eu vs us but anyway two different | 19:15 |
| kimmoli | you can always drill new hole for the other type... | 19:16 |
| phlixi | lol | 19:17 |
| temmi_hoo | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio) | 19:17 |
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| Pawky|2 | Any Modrana developer available? :-) | 20:27 |
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| Milo- | cool. assigned a calender reminder to an activity while I was on another timezone. the event was supposed to start at 17:45, so alarm was supposed to go off at 15:45. But since I did this in another timezone, it alarmed now instead. Lovely little 1:45 am alarm call :p | 22:47 |
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