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| till | hi, currently the best option for a Jolla spare battery is still a htc desire 310 one? | 09:12 |
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| chopix | hello | 09:12 |
| chopix | what mail client do you use on ur phones? | 09:12 |
| till | chopix: the builtin one | 09:12 |
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| chopix | till: I wish I could but its a bit "primitive" no native alternative I guess? | 09:13 |
| till | you might try an android client, like k9mail, if the native one is not sufficient | 09:14 |
| r0kk3rz | nobody has bothered to write one | 09:14 |
| till | for me the native one has it's flaws, but is "sufficient" | 09:14 |
| evenfall | r0kk3rz: the developer base is tiny | 09:14 |
| r0kk3rz | evenfall: so? i see lots of people complaining, but things like apps can be replaced quite happily | 09:15 |
| chopix | I am not complaining I was just checking it there was an alternative | 09:16 |
| chopix | beside android | 09:16 |
| till | maybe some cli-based ones | 09:16 |
| chopix | thats not an "alternative" | 09:17 |
| chopix | :D | 09:17 |
| till | or some web-interface stuff | 09:17 |
| chopix | what about gps/driving stuff? | 09:17 |
| chopix | what do you guys use? | 09:18 |
| evenfall | till: good luck trying to use webmail in the sailfish browser :D | 09:18 |
| till | "HERE WeGo", or what it's called today | 09:18 |
| chopix | till: anything with offline support? | 09:18 |
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| till | here wego supports offline maps | 09:18 |
| till | unfortunately only one destination, and no alternative routes | 09:19 |
| chopix | You sure? I see no options do dowload maps^^ | 09:19 |
| till | you have the android one? it's right in the main menu | 09:19 |
| chopix | True | 09:19 |
| chopix | just found it | 09:19 |
| till | however, I did a small hack to put the maps on the sd card | 09:20 |
| chopix | is there a native version since you specificed "android one" ? | 09:20 |
| till | there was an here-based native map application, but it sucks :D | 09:20 |
| till | evenfall: actually, the owncloud webmail app has a mobile interface :D | 09:21 |
| till | looks quite usable | 09:21 |
| evenfall | till: the browser itself is quite bad | 09:21 |
| chopix | oh btw whatsup stopped working on sailfish too or just harmattan? | 09:21 |
| evenfall | till: so you will still need an android browser and you could probably use an android mail client in that case | 09:22 |
| till | i switched to android whatsapp some month ago, I don't have time to fight with facebook for unblocking me again | 09:22 |
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| till | evenfall: why an android browser? I can use owncloud's webinterface with the native one | 09:22 |
| chopix | yeah I was banned on my n9 on june | 09:22 |
| chopix | you managed to get unbanned? | 09:22 |
| till | well, after some month they unblock you automatically, and I have two numbers on my mobile | 09:23 |
| till | but it was a hassle to switch it, and to tell all my contacts... | 09:23 |
| chopix | Anyone still using whatsup | 09:23 |
| chopix | on sailfish? | 09:23 |
| chopix | I'd rather use native | 09:23 |
| till | me too, but in case of whatsapp that simply does not work, unfortunatley | 09:24 |
| till | if you need reliable service | 09:25 |
| till | plus I can use whatsapp web now, which is kind of nice :D | 09:26 |
| chopix | i used vlc | 09:26 |
| chopix | on my n9 | 09:26 |
| chopix | long ago | 09:26 |
| chopix | whatsapp web | 09:27 |
| chopix | *long before | 09:27 |
| r0kk3rz | chopix: we had like 3 different whatsapp clients and people kept getting banned | 09:28 |
| r0kk3rz | we tried. | 09:28 |
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| chopix | Soundwave hasn't been ported? | 09:30 |
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| chopix | what about an app for maps | 09:37 |
| chopix | without driving? | 09:37 |
| chopix | like nokia maps | 09:37 |
| evenfall | what about them? look in the store and warehouse | 09:38 |
| evenfall | there's a bunch, although they don't work very well | 09:39 |
| chopix | anything you suggest? | 09:39 |
| evenfall | I use an android map app | 09:39 |
| chopix | name? | 09:39 |
| evenfall | won't help you, it's region-specific | 09:40 |
| evenfall | gotta go, bbl | 09:40 |
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| till | chopix maep is quite nice, but no routing | 09:46 |
| Bysmyyr | here is good(an dfound in jollastore | 09:46 |
| Nicd- | here is in jolla store? you mean aptoide? | 09:47 |
| r0kk3rz | no, harbour | 09:48 |
| chopix | maep has no offline options right? | 09:48 |
| till | it has caching | 09:48 |
| till | Nicd- here we go is in the jolla store , and since some days available for Jolla 1 as well | 09:49 |
| chopix | why here we go doesn't allove use as map | 09:49 |
| Nicd- | whoa | 09:50 |
| Nicd- | is it just navigation? | 09:50 |
| chopix | y | 09:50 |
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| chopix | or i don't know how to use it as a map | 09:50 |
| till | what do you mean "use as map" | 09:50 |
| till | you can watch the map, mark points and navigate | 09:51 |
| chopix | well like nokia maps, use it let's say in a city to reach a determined point without having to set a starting point | 09:51 |
| chopix | but the starting point is the one you are at the moment | 09:51 |
| till | but that's navigation? | 09:51 |
| till | the starting point defaults to your location, if you don't specify it | 09:52 |
| Nicd- | it starts in map mode for me | 09:52 |
| Nicd- | I can mark points with starts too | 09:52 |
| Nicd- | though needs signin | 09:53 |
| r0kk3rz | here wego *is* nokia maps | 09:53 |
| chopix | till: hmm? seems i need to set a starting point in here we go | 09:53 |
| till | chopix do you have gps enabled? | 09:53 |
| chopix | y | 09:53 |
| till | and you see your location on the map? then you should not need to specify a starting point | 09:54 |
| chopix | hmm | 09:54 |
| chopix | i don't actually see my location | 09:54 |
| till | maybe your gps is not working properly | 09:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | works fine for me, but if it doesnt know where you are that probably doesnt help | 09:56 |
| chopix | going outside | 09:56 |
| chopix | to check | 09:56 |
| chopix | brb | 09:56 |
| till | you should see at least an approximate position, symbolized by a green circle, via cell positioning | 09:57 |
| till | maybe a reboot fixes the problem | 09:57 |
| chopix | ok outside it works | 10:01 |
| chopix | it surely has poorer gps than the n9 | 10:01 |
| chopix | compass doesnt work but this was expected since its missing | 10:02 |
| till | :D | 10:02 |
| chopix | all the intex phones lack compass | 10:03 |
| chopix | i wonder why | 10:03 |
| till | maybe to expensive to add | 10:03 |
| chopix | checked out of curiosity on their website before buying the aqua fish | 10:03 |
| r0kk3rz | imo its quite impressive for an 80€ device | 10:05 |
| evenfall | yeah, although some of the compromises are probably entirely marketing-driven | 10:07 |
| evenfall | like the hi-res screen coupled with a low-power GPU | 10:07 |
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| chopix | its a bit too big | 10:08 |
| chopix | tbh | 10:08 |
| r0kk3rz | chopix: why did you stop using the n9 if you like it so much :P | 10:08 |
| Yaniel | Re whatsapp IIRC the native app devs also got cease&desist letters from WA | 10:09 |
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| chopix | r0kk3rz: whatsup stopped working/the battery was lasting 3 hours/web browsing became a pain the ass | 10:10 |
| pa | openvpn question again: could someone with working openvpn setup paste what route -n says after the vpn has been succesfully established? | 10:10 |
| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: yeah they did, basically if you can help it dont use whatsapp because they're actively user hostile | 10:11 |
| Yaniel | Aye | 10:11 |
| chopix | yeah I knew cepi | 10:12 |
| till | pa: http://pastebin.com/dTrAy2C4 | 10:12 |
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| pa | till, but do you route all traffic through the vpn? | 10:14 |
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| pa | according to that table, 0.0.0.0 goes to wlan0 | 10:14 |
| till | let me check | 10:14 |
| till | pa: whatismyip.com shows the vpn server's ip | 10:15 |
| chopix^ | r0kk3rz: btw what kind of jolla u got? | 10:15 |
| pa | till, aha.. weird then.. | 10:15 |
| pa | i have a similar routing table | 10:15 |
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| till | pa: and securefishnet has "default gw" enabled | 10:16 |
| pa | i can reach the vpn server | 10:16 |
| pa | but i cant reach anything else | 10:16 |
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| till | did you set up routing on the server side? | 10:16 |
| pa | maybe it's a mistake in the vpn server masquerading | 10:16 |
| pa | let me check | 10:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | chopix^: i got jolla phone and jolla c | 10:19 |
| till | afaik I added routing via iptables and enabled something in /sys :) | 10:20 |
| r0kk3rz | chopix^: but i never had an n9, i dont miss anything :) | 10:20 |
| chopix^ | what you had before? | 10:21 |
| r0kk3rz | htc android phone | 10:22 |
| till | brb, lunch time | 10:22 |
| pa | till, you were right. works now :-) | 10:22 |
| pa | my bad | 10:22 |
| pa | btw is it still possilbe to request a jolla c developer device? or apply for one? | 10:23 |
| chopix^ | not afik | 10:23 |
| Jope | alll gone | 10:24 |
| chopix^ | anyway getting an intex and playing the customs lottery may result in a cheaper device | 10:24 |
| Jope | has the community already figured out how to debrand it? | 10:25 |
| r0kk3rz | the limited edition back cover is worth the price difference | 10:25 |
| chopix^ | all I did was uninstall the gaana app | 10:25 |
| chopix^ | btw I am waiting for some madman to try to flash the LTE module | 10:25 |
| chopix^ | with the Jolla C version to see what happens | 10:26 |
| chopix^ | :D | 10:26 |
| chopix^ | i go eat too, brb | 10:26 |
| Jope | mad mensch | 10:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | Jope: is that a tv show about advertisers in stuttgart? | 10:53 |
| Jope | perhaps | 10:55 |
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| chopix^ | so r0kk3rz how do you compare the sfos with android u used before? | 11:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | chopix^: its good, i like it. last android i used regularly was version 4.4 or something | 11:09 |
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| chopix^ | and why did you get a sailfish device in the first place? | 11:10 |
| r0kk3rz | i wanted something a bit more linuxy than android | 11:13 |
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| phlixi_o | chopix^: you didnt ask me, but i answer anyways :D fire up your wireshark and you will see, android is talking to google about anythign you can imagine (and worse) up to several times a second. i dont like that. i also dont like apples walled garden (but they collect plus points in the privacy topic, once they offer me to host my own icloud, i am sold - of course that wont happen) | 11:25 |
| phlixi_o | thus only n900 and its successors are left. | 11:25 |
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| phlixi_o | while android and apple are far superior if you dont account for the privacy issues, there is only sailfish left atm | 11:25 |
| chopix^ | exactly my reasons | 11:26 |
| chopix^ | but i never used an android/ios | 11:26 |
| chopix^ | before | 11:26 |
| chopix^ | i imagine it would be hard to switch since all the apps/features missing | 11:27 |
| phlixi_o | well, depends | 11:27 |
| chopix^ | already hard coming from a n9 lol | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | you dont miss features you dont use | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | theres a lot of stuff on android i never bothered with | 11:28 |
| phlixi_o | i have android and ios devices since i need them for testing (using 99% only chrome/safari on them), but for privat usei follow the maemo line^^ | 11:29 |
| phlixi_o | i missed the lowpower screen from n9 | 11:30 |
| phlixi_o | well, got used to it^^ | 11:30 |
| chopix^ | u need oled for that | 11:30 |
| phlixi_o | i understand why its not there ;) | 11:30 |
| chopix^ | btw the intex/jolla | 11:31 |
| phlixi_o | but i got used to not having it anymore | 11:31 |
| chopix^ | has some bshit wifi | 11:31 |
| phlixi_o | so far i had no problems with the wifi of my jolla c | 11:31 |
| chopix^ | cant use ssh over wifi | 11:31 |
| chopix^ | it freezes | 11:31 |
| phlixi_o | (but i remember not being able with one n9 to connect to the wifi at work) | 11:32 |
| chopix^ | ssh over wifi works fine for u? | 11:32 |
| phlixi_o | on the jolla 1 no problems | 11:32 |
| chopix^ | jolla c? | 11:32 |
| phlixi_o | on the jolla c i do not remember problmes, but can not test atm | 11:33 |
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| phlixi_o | but i have to admit, until now i did not use the jolla c a lot | 11:33 |
| chopix^ | anyone has the same problem? | 11:33 |
| phlixi_o | but it sounds weird to me, that combination of ssh over wifi | 11:35 |
| chopix^ | what you mean? | 11:35 |
| phlixi_o | dont get me wrong, thats totaly not weird... | 11:35 |
| phlixi_o | but that there should be a problem with ssh only over wifi, and not problem with wifi otherwise | 11:35 |
| JvD_ | any other protocols that runon top of tcp have any problem? | 11:36 |
| phlixi_o | and vice versa | 11:36 |
| till | sometimes I have problems with ssh over usb as well, might be caused by device lock or standby mode | 11:37 |
| JvD_ | i had problems with tcp connections on one direction. the connection just froze. eventually i amanged to to find out that my operator had router with incorrect mtu | 11:38 |
| JvD_ | workaround was to drop mtu if my device | 11:38 |
| chopix^ | till: yeah if I unlock the screen it revive the ssh session... | 11:38 |
| chopix^ | huge ping spikes | 11:39 |
| chopix^ | meh | 11:39 |
| phlixi_o | qah | 11:40 |
| phlixi_o | ah | 11:40 |
| phlixi_o | yes, of course | 11:40 |
| phlixi_o | the jolla sleeps a lot | 11:40 |
| phlixi_o | well, thats a price to pay | 11:40 |
| phlixi_o | ....for long batterylife | 11:41 |
| chopix^ | trying to lower mtu on wlan | 11:41 |
| JvD_ | try to drop it on your jolla device | 11:41 |
| chopix^ | yeah did that | 11:41 |
| JvD_ | and see if that helps | 11:41 |
| phlixi_o | i also remember that i thought there is something broken when i switched from n9 to jolla1 | 11:41 |
| phlixi_o | totally forgot about that, since i am used to it now | 11:42 |
| chopix^ | not helping | 11:42 |
| phlixi_o | sometimes you have to wake the device (double tapping screen), otherwise it wont answer if you try to ssh into it | 11:42 |
| phlixi_o | it can go pretty quickly into that mode | 11:42 |
| phlixi_o | well, i consider this kind of a feature | 11:43 |
| phlixi_o | but thats true, if you are coming from n9/00 you dont know this, since they answer all the time, even if you did not touch the phone for a day (if it still has power^^) | 11:43 |
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| pp | IIRC you can disable it (with very bad battery life) | 11:50 |
| pp | but also disable it when charging | 11:50 |
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| chopix^ | it's not that its something else | 11:51 |
| chopix^ | i have packet loss and spikes even with the screen on it seems | 11:51 |
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| phlixi_o | but only with ssh? | 11:54 |
| chopix^ | seems so | 11:55 |
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| chopix^ | btw it seems something related to power saving, you were right | 11:55 |
| chopix^ | trying to disable wlan power management | 11:58 |
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| chopix^ | where are the network setting stored in sailfish? | 12:05 |
| till | /var/lib/conman | 12:07 |
| chopix^ | ty | 12:11 |
| chopix^ | disabline power saver on wlan made the situation much better | 12:13 |
| chopix^ | i still have spikes and packet loss but i can use ssh now | 12:13 |
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| njeans | Ahoy! | 12:37 |
| njeans | Anyone? I needed a lil help. | 12:38 |
| LarstiQ | njeans: it's better to ask your question than to ask if you can ask it | 12:38 |
| njeans | Isorry. I wanted help in porting an androip app over to sailfish. | 12:39 |
| njeans | The app is opensource and is on github, since i am new to this field, i dont know where to begin with. | 12:39 |
| taaem | njeans: #sailfishos | 12:39 |
| njeans | taaem ") | 12:40 |
| taaem | this is more general and so develupment oriented :P | 12:40 |
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| chopix^ | coderus: so your friends tried to flash the modem firmware of the jolla c on the aqua fish with no avail right? | 16:09 |
| coderus | chopix^: right | 16:14 |
| chopix^ | I still believe it's a software issue, I don't think they made 1500 devices with different modems | 16:15 |
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| coderus | different modems and/maybe lack of antennas for wanted frequencies | 16:18 |
| chopix^ | doubt it | 16:18 |
| chopix^ | were your friends able to reflash the old firmware btw? | 16:19 |
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| coderus | i am here not to urge someone | 16:22 |
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| jerom3 | Hello here | 18:44 |
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| jerom3 | I buy intex aquafish from india, i live in france but i cannot connect on 4G, only 3G works. you think problem come from my network operator? | 18:52 |
| phlixi_ | i think bands are not compatible | 18:53 |
| phlixi_ | well, i dont know, but thats was i suspect and would check | 18:53 |
| jerom3 | 2600mhz outch | 19:01 |
| mal- | intex aquafish only supports one of the frequencies used in europe for 4G, that is the one with usually worse coverage | 19:01 |
| jerom3 | ok thanks for the reply | 19:03 |
| mal- | it's not known if that is just firmware difference or if the hardware is also different | 19:03 |
| chopix | the modem is the qualcomm X% | 19:03 |
| chopix | X5 | 19:03 |
| chopix | and it supports all the LTE frequencies | 19:03 |
| chopix | global wide | 19:04 |
| jerom3 | it's very hard to find sailfish device in EU | 19:04 |
| mal- | antenna could be different | 19:04 |
| chopix | but it doesn't work on the intex devices so far | 19:04 |
| chopix | could be antenna, firmware/os restictions | 19:04 |
| mal- | yep | 19:04 |
| chopix | i am optimist and I think its a combo with fw and os | 19:05 |
| chopix | since ppl tried flashing fw and it doesnt work | 19:05 |
| chopix | probably need fw AND something sailfishos side | 19:05 |
| jerom3 | i see this discussion -> https://together.jolla.com/question/137336/lte-with-jolla-c/ not related ? | 19:06 |
| chopix | this is more recent | 19:06 |
| chopix | https://together.jolla.com/question/142007/how-to-unlock-lte-bands-europe-on-intex-aqua-fish/?sort=latest#sort-top | 19:06 |
| mal- | the was/is some issue with one eu frequency in jolla c | 19:07 |
| jerom3 | ok ty chopix | 19:07 |
| chopix | I advise you to just wait so far, you may brick your intex | 19:08 |
| jerom3 | wait an update ? | 19:08 |
| chopix | yeah | 19:09 |
| mal- | chopix: looks like there is a fix for jolla c, not yet released though | 19:09 |
| jerom3 | ok | 19:09 |
| jerom3 | many months waiting a device with sailfish, i have install sailfish on my nexus 5 but no update, no android support ... | 19:10 |
| jerom3 | very cool OS | 19:10 |
| mal- | there is the wip community android support for ported devices, not complete yet, it's basically android running inside sailfish | 19:12 |
| mal- | or parallel to it in a way | 19:12 |
| jerom3 | yep but my nexus need to go into retirement :p | 19:13 |
| phlixi_ | check #apkenv for the android stuff if interested | 19:24 |
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| mal- | phlixi_: it's actually on #sfdroid now | 19:29 |
| phlixi_ | they should put in the topic of #apkenv then^^ | 19:30 |
| mal- | phlixi_: nobody seems to have ops, not sure about how freenode works so no idea how to get those back if possible | 19:32 |
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| phlixi_ | channel modes are #apkenv +cnt which means, no colors, no external messages and, tada, only ops can set topic :-) | 19:37 |
| mal- | phlixi_: yes, that's why I told nobody has ops | 19:39 |
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| phlixi_ | i guess i missunderstood you "how frenode works" then... probably one would have to ask ircops, but its probably not that important... | 19:56 |
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| mal- | phlixi_: that was referencing whether getting ops back is possible or not | 20:00 |
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| Yaniel | freenode policy is to not keep op status when not needed | 20:04 |
| Yaniel | chanserv can set it to people in the access list of registered channels | 20:04 |
| mal- | no idea if that channel is registered or not | 20:05 |
| Yaniel | said people can also ask chanserv to manipulate the channel directly | 20:05 |
| Yaniel | try asking chanserv about it | 20:05 |
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| mal- | looks like it's registered | 20:07 |
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| Yaniel | then check the access list for ops | 20:10 |
| Yaniel | or ask in the channel | 20:10 |
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