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| Kabouik | Hi. My Jolla C is suddenly making bips every few seconds, duration between bips varies, and I have no idead what they are related to. Last applications I have installed are SimScout, Wifi Analyzer and some games. Any ideas? | 08:14 |
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| coderus | bad mobile network coverage? | 08:15 |
| till | might be the camera soud issue | 08:16 |
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| till | https://together.jolla.com/question/137611/jolla-c-occasional-ticking-sound-when-screen-is-off/ | 08:17 |
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| Kabouik | It is clearly a bip, not just the autofocus I think. Bad network coverage trigger bips coderus? | 08:21 |
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| Kabouik | Note that the bips are not accompanied by any notification, and bips can happen with screen locked or awake. | 08:22 |
| coderus | yes. try with mobile network disabled | 08:22 |
| the_mgt | faulty stealth sms send by the nsa... | 08:22 |
| Kabouik | Weird thing is it is bipping right now as I am typing Coderus, but I have coverage and even 3G | 08:22 |
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| Kabouik | Disabled mobile data network (not flight mode) and still got bips | 08:28 |
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| coderus | not mobile data, you need to disable sim | 08:35 |
| till | Kabouik are you on a 2g network? might be https://together.jolla.com/question/137612/jolla-c-using-2g-network-interferes-the-phones-own-speaker/ | 08:36 |
| till | flight mode should be sufficient | 08:37 |
| Kabouik | I'll try disabling SIM card slot 1 and slot 2 to see if one is responsible for the bips coderus, which will take some time since bips seem totally random so far (sometimes nothing for 30 min, then 10 bips in 1 min) | 08:39 |
| Kabouik | If that's it, what can I do to disable it and is it showing a big issue? I can confirm that it bips also when I have data and mobile network coverage, so I don't really see the point. Even Simscout shows a pretty good network. | 08:40 |
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| Kabouik | I don't think it's this issue till (which I never noticed by the way), the bips are clearly bips, not just interferences. | 08:41 |
| Kabouik | Plus I was on 3G before disabling the sim card I think. | 08:42 |
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| coderus | anyway i think you have to live with that | 08:43 |
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| till | or look/ask on tjc | 08:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | Kabouik: reboot, ive certainly heard the odd noise coming from android on jolla c | 09:09 |
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| Kabouik | I have rebooted r0kk3rz, no change. I have no bips since I disabled SIM1 though (but SIM1 was working correctly so I don't get it). Also, this behaviour has just started yesterday. I'm using my Jolla C since the delivery last month. | 09:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | define bip | 09:12 |
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| Kabouik | It's clearly an electronic alert sound coming from the speaker. | 09:14 |
| Kabouik | Just like a BIOS bleep. | 09:14 |
| r0kk3rz | interesting | 09:17 |
| r0kk3rz | might be a consequence of the different freqs from india | 09:19 |
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| hiya | hey what's up? | 09:20 |
| hiya | is Sailfish a full fledged linux OS? | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | it has bash, if that's what you're wondering | 09:20 |
| hiya | is it fully open source? | 09:21 |
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| r0kk3rz | hiya: not fully, but quite a lot of it is open source common linuxy stuff like Qt, Systemd, libc that kind of stuff | 09:22 |
| Yaniel | basically yes, except for some driver blobs and the silica GUI stuff | 09:23 |
| hiya | Awesome then, also what emulator do you use for Android ? | 09:24 |
| Yaniel | alien dalvik by myriad | 09:24 |
| r0kk3rz | hiya: thats one of the proprietary bits for now | 09:24 |
| hiya | k | 09:24 |
| hiya | Does it have an opensource store unlike gapps? | 09:25 |
| hiya | what is the story? | 09:25 |
| Nicd- | there is openrepos for a store | 09:25 |
| Yaniel | doesn't have a default store but you can sideload apks | 09:25 |
| r0kk3rz | for native or android apps? you can install whatever stores you like | 09:25 |
| Yaniel | and fdroid works | 09:25 |
| Yaniel | with some tinkering, google play works too, I hear | 09:26 |
| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: certainly does | 09:26 |
| hiya | No I was talking about Sailfish Store? | 09:26 |
| hiya | Don't we have that too? | 09:26 |
| r0kk3rz | sure | 09:26 |
| Yaniel | yes | 09:26 |
| Nicd- | yes, it's called Harbour | 09:26 |
| Nicd- | or, sort of :P | 09:26 |
| Yaniel | Nicd-, isn | 09:26 |
| Yaniel | isn't harbour the developer part of it, where apps are submitted | 09:26 |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel: all the apps are called harbour-xxxx though. and Jolla Store might confuse with the online shop where you can buy phones | 09:27 |
| Yaniel | yes | 09:28 |
| hiya | ok | 09:28 |
| Nicd- | hiya: the default app store on the device is not open source | 09:28 |
| Nicd- | https://openrepos.net/ is the community app "store" | 09:28 |
| Yaniel | openrepos doesn't have any review process though, so be careful with what you install from there | 09:29 |
| till | and "warehouse" is the sailfish app for accessing openrepos | 09:29 |
| hiya | OMG | 09:29 |
| hiya | Why isn't the model opensource? | 09:29 |
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| Nicd- | model? | 09:29 |
| hiya | nvm | 09:33 |
| hiya | So what is the latest device that is available? | 09:33 |
| Nicd- | Intex Aqua Fish I think | 09:33 |
| Nicd- | sold in India | 09:33 |
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| Nicd- | then there's TuringPhone which may or may not be a scam, and Jolla C that was a limited run for developers. I think there were some others but I don't remember them | 09:34 |
| r0kk3rz | hiya: you may have an android device you can install the community version of sailfish on | 09:35 |
| tadzik | those are all the existing ones at least, except the TuringPhone which is a mythical creature | 09:35 |
| r0kk3rz | tadzik: elusive perhaps, but not mythical anymore | 09:35 |
| hiya | Nicd-, Intex Aqua Fish? | 09:35 |
| hiya | r0kk3rz, list of support devices? | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: it's real but mythical | 09:35 |
| r0kk3rz | hiya: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 09:36 |
| Nicd- | hiya: http://www.ebay.in/itm/Intex-Aqua-Fish-4G-LTE-with-Qualcomm-Snapdragon-5-2GB-RAM-16-GB-8MP-/282098603976?hash=item41ae6317c8:g:egEAAOSwanRXhisG | 09:36 |
| Nicd- | btw I hope that "673 sold" is not the actual number :P | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | amazon.in is official one i think? | 09:38 |
| Nicd- | that one is linked by Jolla themselves | 09:38 |
| hiya | Nicd-, wow man :D itis Jolla C only | 09:38 |
| hiya | http://www.snapdeal.com/product/intex-aqua-fish-4g-16gb/656496788094#bcrumbSearch:Intel%20Aqua%20fish | 09:41 |
| hiya | Nicd-, ^ | 09:41 |
| hiya | So much cheaper | 09:41 |
| hiya | I think it could be a nice phone as a gift | 09:43 |
| tadzik | hmm, is that an old screenshot or does Settings have the indicators again? | 09:44 |
| till | but keep in mind that the aqua fish has a different modem than the jolla c and does not support the same lte frequencies | 09:45 |
| hiya | I don't use 4G at all, only 3G | 09:45 |
| hiya | or Edge | 09:45 |
| hiya | I think this phone by Intex is the best option for one to try out this phone, don't you think so? | 09:45 |
| till | given that there are no more jolla c's for sale, yes | 09:46 |
| tadzik | reasonable, though I wouldn't get a phone without 4g these days | 09:46 |
| till | hiya which country are you from? | 09:47 |
| r0kk3rz | hiya: its cheap and available for sure | 09:47 |
| r0kk3rz | i have its cousin the Jolla C, its not a bad device really | 09:47 |
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| hiya | till, I am from hong kong | 09:50 |
| hiya | r0kk3rz, Ok that is good news then | 09:50 |
| hiya | but what about the security thing? | 09:52 |
| till | hiya then it should be a good choice :) I don't know about shipping cost to hong kong, but to eu it's quite a lot. plus tax and certification issues... | 09:52 |
| hiya | We have stores selling Indian phones here | 09:54 |
| hiya | Yu phones from India are popular here too vs Redmi phones by Xiaomi | 09:54 |
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| till | btw I just did a quick frequency check, you might be lucky with the aqua fish's lte capabilities in hong kong | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | hiya: security thing? | 09:56 |
| hiya | r0kk3rz, Security features etc? | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | what features are you looking for? | 09:57 |
| Kabouik | I'm interested in the sources you used to check the frequency till, I'd like to order an Intex/Jolla C to someone, and would consider the Intex if the bands are compatible in the country | 09:57 |
| till | Kabouik: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks_in_Asia and http://www.intex.in/mobile/smartphone/aqua-fish/specifications.html | 09:57 |
| Kabouik | Thanks | 09:58 |
| till | another source for frequency bands might be http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Prepaid_SIM_with_data | 09:58 |
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| hiya | r0kk3rz, Privacy guard, I am really impressed by CM | 10:00 |
| hiya | Cyanogenmod | 10:00 |
| r0kk3rz | hiya: that is an area that is sorely lacking on sailfishos, for both native apps and android ones | 10:02 |
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| hiya | so it is very much primitive at this point? | 10:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | in some ways | 10:05 |
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| M-schmittlauch | The sad thing about that is Jolla trying to promote SFOS as a "secure alternative" to Android while not even having a permission system. | 10:12 |
| M-schmittlauch | According to veskuh they have that on their list but it's probably gonna take a while. | 10:13 |
| r0kk3rz | its been on the list for some time | 10:13 |
| r0kk3rz | i expect that something like flatpak would be workable on sailfish | 10:14 |
| r0kk3rz | but 'secure' has many different meanings depending on your threat model | 10:14 |
| tbr | and your business model | 10:14 |
| LarstiQ | M-schmittlauch: that's more about not being tied to Google/Azure/Apple services than SELinux style security | 10:15 |
| LarstiQ | M-schmittlauch: privacy rather than security | 10:15 |
| LarstiQ | but we're working on the latter | 10:15 |
| hiya | r0kk3rz, ok man, thanks a lot | 10:16 |
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| M-schmittlauch | LarstiQ: That currently causes the situation that e.g. no harbour app is allowed to access the calendar because currently the access control is "all or nothing" | 10:16 |
| r0kk3rz | LarstiQ: in the mean time it would be nice if the JStore listed what an app accesses, even if theres no hard permission system to back it up | 10:17 |
| r0kk3rz | something thats hand checked by harbour qa | 10:18 |
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| M-schmittlauch | r0kk3rz: It's very hard to check what an app actually may access, as it e.g. could get filenames over network to access. And if it normally doesn't get "/etc/passwd" as a remote argument it doesn't access the file, but it theoretically could do. | 10:21 |
| r0kk3rz | M-schmittlauch: obviously its not a great solution, but right now the end user has zero information about what an app access | 10:22 |
| r0kk3rz | even things it does so legitimately | 10:22 |
| r0kk3rz | even if that information is mostly honour based and declared by the developer | 10:23 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: will people used to Android's (enforced) capabilities understand the difference? | 10:24 |
| r0kk3rz | LarstiQ: thats a good point. but given the inflated nature of the android permission lists... im not sure its a big deal | 10:25 |
| TMavica | till: I am hk too | 10:25 |
| TMavica | hiya: | 10:26 |
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| chammy | hello, is there a way to root the android on jolla c / aqua fish? | 10:28 |
| Bysmyyr | activate developer mode | 10:33 |
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| coderus | chammy: no | 10:43 |
| coderus | no/not yet *maybe* | 10:43 |
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| MoritzJT | Hey there - no developer here but a user. Anyone know a good site we could use to post bounties for implementation of stuff from the community, like e.g. https://www.bountysource.com/ | 10:49 |
| MoritzJT | I'd like to make the community support implementation of certain patches and features more rapidly after a system update | 10:49 |
| MoritzJT | Of course discussion if you regard this as a good idea or a bad one as well! | 10:50 |
| r0kk3rz | MoritzJT: https://together.jolla.com/question/8695/crowdfunding-development/ | 10:50 |
| Bysmyyr | chammy: coderus ah, I skipped android from that question :P | 10:51 |
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| Kabouik | I figured out that the bleeps came from Simscout. It was not obvious since it happened also when the app was not in full screen, and there is no option for that, but I noticed that I get a sound at every CellId change in the history. | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | Kabouik: that would do it :) | 11:28 |
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| chammy | coderus: thanks for your answer! | 11:42 |
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| chammy | just trying to use titanium backup but it doesn't work without root | 11:43 |
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| phlixi_o | chammy: couldnt you just copy the folder containing the android stuff? | 11:47 |
| phlixi_o | seems a bit strange to me to use an android app for that | 11:48 |
| chammy | tried but it didn't work | 11:49 |
| chammy | maybe I should just try again | 11:50 |
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| phlixi_o | but i might be the wrong person to ask for android backup stuff, i use exactly one android app, and that one has its own "backup button" (threema) | 11:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | i wouldnt count on titanium backup to work properly anyway | 11:53 |
| till | for android apps backup I copy/tar /data/data and /data/media, but I'm not sure if that contains all the data | 11:55 |
| chammy | at least it managed to take backups from my old jolla phone | 11:57 |
| hamool | Hello there. I have a question. Is there any limitations for Jolla C on things one can post about it? What I mean is something like pebble's developer program in which developers got new devices before the official sales started but with some restrictions (you can write blog posts about the device, but you're not allowed to take photos of certain design elements and discuss certain fearures until public release) | 11:57 |
| chammy | so if/when android root is possible, I can try to import | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | hamool: no limitations, AFAIK | 11:57 |
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