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| Milo- | Wasn't JollaC supposed to stay on when it's plugged into a charger and battery is removed? | 16:21 |
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| Milo- | oh, something is broken.. either the port or the cord. | 16:29 |
| M-schmittlauch | Patchmanager complained about missing qml files, so to be sure I wanted to reinstall lipstick with all it's qml files. I'm on Jolla1, 2.0.2.48 | 16:35 |
| M-schmittlauch | The problem about that: I get a dependency conflict when trying to reinstall already-installed packages: https://www.systemli.org/paste/?8536ce5788c95063#MfXJjPdTuSSwy6RWhVZ0Mu2rVImG0OPT1Q2vHGL5jg0= | 16:37 |
| M-schmittlauch | Any ideas on what's wrong? | 16:37 |
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| attah | M-schmittlauch: repo lists up to date? | 17:37 |
| M-schmittlauch | attah: should be, as zypper did an automatic refresh. I also did a ssu --dup before, just to make sure | 17:37 |
| attah | hmm.. i can pkcon search name the packages you are missing | 17:39 |
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| M-schmittlauch | seems like these installed packages aren't in the repos (anymore?): https://www.systemli.org/paste/?72c2adad5fc8a881#95BiE4RXMj5Ycj8l2O3cWYF91AZ5ocndRzHdbcTk83I= | 17:42 |
| M-schmittlauch | weird stuff | 17:42 |
| M-schmittlauch | A zypper ref fixed it, apparently the system repos aren't set to autoupdate | 17:44 |
| attah | i have never had clients autoupdate, i also don't use zypper :) | 17:45 |
| M-schmittlauch | I used zypper because I already had it installed and I'm more familiar with it. | 17:47 |
| attah | not saying you are doing it wrong.. just saying i have no experience | 17:49 |
| attah | i use pkcon (also installed) which is more familiar for me | 17:50 |
| * M-schmittlauch is now running an unpatched lipstick - what a strange experience | 17:52 | |
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| chopix | Hello, does the Jolla C have a magnetometer? | 18:01 |
| M-schmittlauch | chopix: No, it doesn't. | 18:05 |
| chopix | I just ordered an Intex Aqua Fish and was wondering about this lacking | 18:06 |
| chopix | since I am moving fnrom a n9 which has been used a lot with GPS navigatio | 18:07 |
| abranson | if you're driving, it doesn't matter. you might not have used the compass anyway. | 18:07 |
| abranson | as to use it you usually have to switch map mode, then wave the phone around for a while to calibrate it. | 18:08 |
| abranson | Usually map applications take your direction of movement as a cue for their map orientation, as compasses are a bit flakey anyway. | 18:08 |
| chopix | ok | 18:09 |
| chopix | so basically you aren't experiencing any lack of functionality without the magne so far? | 18:10 |
| the_mgt | afaik, the maps on the N9 were similar to the ones on the symbian phones | 18:11 |
| the_mgt | so, with the default maps app from sfos, you'll miss voice based navigation | 18:11 |
| the_mgt | also, it is not offline | 18:12 |
| the_mgt | your typical routing stuff is only available via 3rd party app. I use HERE for android, works rather nice | 18:12 |
| chopix | theres no third party app that does offline? | 18:12 |
| chopix | I see | 18:12 |
| the_mgt | HERE does offline and voice | 18:12 |
| chopix | and works through dalvik | 18:13 |
| the_mgt | yep | 18:13 |
| chopix | cool | 18:13 |
| the_mgt | HERE is basically what is left from nokias navigation stuff | 18:13 |
| the_mgt | though i think it was bought by three german car manufacturers, recently. not sure. ask wiki :) | 18:13 |
| chopix | the drive and map app on the n9 was(is?) pretty good | 18:13 |
| the_mgt | I liked the one on my C7 too. even on the old C6 it was acceptable | 18:14 |
| chopix | I used the map app even while walking | 18:14 |
| chopix | in cities u know | 18:14 |
| chopix | to find a particolar place | 18:14 |
| Yaniel | Too bad it wasn't ported to Jolla as is | 18:14 |
| the_mgt | well, in cities, the built in maps app is enough | 18:14 |
| the_mgt | it has a pedestrian mode | 18:14 |
| chopix | yeah but the compass was usefull | 18:14 |
| chopix | because it would rotate the map | 18:14 |
| chopix | toward your destination | 18:15 |
| the_mgt | I am not sure if the Jolla 1 has a dedicated compass | 18:15 |
| the_mgt | my pebble has one | 18:15 |
| chopix | I doubt this happens on the Jolla C/Intex | 18:15 |
| the_mgt | well, I am quite capable of abstracting the direction from a map, while working, so no worries here | 18:15 |
| chopix | :D | 18:16 |
| the_mgt | I also think you can turn the map on screen with 2 fingers | 18:16 |
| chopix | well let's see when the phone arrives | 18:16 |
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| chopix | unless the customs will arrest me for importing a device without a CE mark on it | 18:17 |
| chopix | so you moved from symbian to sailfish? | 18:19 |
| the_mgt | yep, symbian^3, or rather Belle | 18:21 |
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| attah | AF is not CE marked? :O | 18:21 |
| attah | i mean they essentially self-certify, don't they? | 18:21 |
| chopix | well they market the device | 18:22 |
| chopix | in India | 18:22 |
| the_mgt | the C7 is butt ugly, but it's form factor was rather practical. you didn't notice it in your pocket | 18:22 |
| chopix | I don't see why would they certify it for the EU | 18:22 |
| sakustar | seems the C7 was prone to getting lost | 18:23 |
| the_mgt | the problem is this waste fee, i thought? electronical devices need a manufacturer that garantees he would take the broken device back and recycles it | 18:23 |
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| the_mgt | sakustar: I killed one mobile in the washing machine, but I never lost one, till now | 18:24 |
| chopix | I have lost 2 nokias on public transports :p | 18:24 |
| the_mgt | well, once I almost lost a w580, but my gf was still sitting in the bus and took it with here | 18:24 |
| chopix | also several mp3 players | 18:24 |
| sakustar | which one did you lose | 18:24 |
| chopix | talking about more than 10 years ago | 18:26 |
| chopix | dont even remember the model | 18:26 |
| sakustar | i need something foolproof as a backup phone | 18:26 |
| sakustar | keep dropping phones out of my pockets | 18:27 |
| sakustar | displays dont like | 18:27 |
| chopix | do you remember when you didn't even have a cell phone? :P | 18:28 |
| the_mgt | sakustar: http://www.johnsphones.com | 18:28 |
| the_mgt | http://www.johnsphones.com/store/johns-phone-business/item45 this one | 18:29 |
| chopix | get this | 18:30 |
| chopix | http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_motofone_f3-1794.php | 18:30 |
| chopix | i still have it somewhere :p | 18:31 |
| sakustar | ooh. +1 for offline features :D | 18:32 |
| the_mgt | chopix: pff, way too overfeatured | 18:32 |
| chopix | eink display though :D | 18:33 |
| the_mgt | I know, a friend had this as a travelling phone | 18:34 |
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| chopix | so why did you buy a sailfish phone instead of android/ios the_mgt? | 18:35 |
| the_mgt | yeah, exactly, why?! | 18:35 |
| the_mgt | I wanted a linux cell phone since like, evar | 18:36 |
| attah | dual-purpose dumbphone ftw: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/MotorolaC123 | 18:36 |
| the_mgt | in 2011, I met raster at the cebit in hannover and he had some samsung device running enlightenment windowmanager, e17, iirc | 18:36 |
| the_mgt | it was smooth and looked good and I always wondered why they did not simply release a tizen phone, later | 18:37 |
| chopix | attah: cool, it comes without a case and a screen? :D | 18:37 |
| attah | chopix: nah, it has a case most of the time | 18:38 |
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| chopix | well samsung released a tizen phone | 18:38 |
| chopix | was my other option, but no community behind it | 18:38 |
| the_mgt | openmoko was no alternative, and since I liked the nokia phones, i thought jolla might be nice | 18:38 |
| the_mgt | well, the #e channel is quite active, but that is only the gui | 18:39 |
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| chopix | #e channel? | 18:39 |
| the_mgt | irc, you know, this rather outdated chat medium | 18:39 |
| chopix | i know but whats the channel about? | 18:40 |
| chopix | tizen? | 18:40 |
| sakustar | irc outdated? | 18:40 |
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| sakustar | what next? you claim no one has a fax at home? | 18:40 |
| chopix | irc is so outdated that it's the future fellas | 18:40 |
| chopix | i just sent a fax today btw | 18:40 |
| the_mgt | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen#Overview | 18:40 |
| the_mgt | e as in enlightenment | 18:41 |
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| the_mgt | tizen uses the enlightenment foundation libraries. remember the enlightenment16 windowmanager? they made some others, e17, e18, etc | 18:41 |
| chopix | I have no idea what is this windowmanager | 18:42 |
| the_mgt | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_(software) | 18:43 |
| chopix | yeah im googling | 18:43 |
| the_mgt | have you used a desktop linux before ubuntu became popular? | 18:43 |
| chopix | ofc | 18:43 |
| the_mgt | back in the time of windowmaker and the fugly *box things? | 18:43 |
| chopix | but i just use windowmaker | 18:43 |
| chopix | yeah i just use windowmaker:p | 18:43 |
| the_mgt | ah. see, I got annoyed by windowmaker and switched to e16, because it was way more attractive | 18:44 |
| chopix | and sometimes i must admit i used kde :p | 18:44 |
| chopix | btw I doubt samsung will ever try to market tizen "seriously" if you know what I mean | 18:45 |
| chopix | samsung is the biggest android player so | 18:45 |
| the_mgt | yeah, they are already too late to the party | 18:45 |
| the_mgt | so, for one nobody cares about their linux phone and they would shoot their own foot | 18:46 |
| chopix | I don't see them trying to gain market shares from themselves | 18:46 |
| the_mgt | I'd buy a tizen tablet | 18:46 |
| chopix | I just a cell phone which won't make me part of a botnet actually | 18:46 |
| chopix | *want | 18:46 |
| the_mgt | i like the swipe interface | 18:47 |
| the_mgt | on sailfish | 18:47 |
| chopix | they took it from the n9 | 18:47 |
| ahjolinna | samsung has started to use tizen on their TVs and smart watch...and I think on their cameras also... | 18:47 |
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| chopix | yet just a phone released, and in India | 18:47 |
| the_mgt | it might make sense on a smart tv | 18:48 |
| abranson | chopix: the navigation maps still rotate the map towards your destination, or rather in the direction you're travelling. | 18:48 |
| the_mgt | i hate all samsung smart tvs, cluttered, unresponsive ugly shite | 18:48 |
| sakustar | all smart tvs more liek | 18:48 |
| chopix | abranson: the map app? | 18:49 |
| abranson | the compass was only for the mode where it aligned itself when you were stationary | 18:49 |
| abranson | yep | 18:49 |
| ahjolinna | I hate all samsung products...okay their SSD are fine | 18:49 |
| chopix | i vouche for the washing machine too | 18:49 |
| chopix | *their | 18:49 |
| the_mgt | ack, ssds rock. and the tft displays | 18:49 |
| chopix | washing machines are pretty cool too | 18:49 |
| the_mgt | or rather, they dont rock but are solid midclass | 18:49 |
| the_mgt | dell rocks | 18:49 |
| sakustar | hmm | 18:50 |
| sakustar | kinda want to test their tanks before condemning | 18:50 |
| chopix | they also make ships | 18:50 |
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| chopix | soooo anyone succeded flashing the jolla c firmware on the intex? (for studying purposes) | 18:51 |
| sakustar | wonder if the ships have to be rebooted every few hours | 18:53 |
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| suosaaski | chopix: if that works out, is there any difference between the two? | 18:54 |
| chopix | is the Jolla C firmware available to download somewhere? | 18:54 |
| chopix | suosaaski: afaik the hardware is the same | 18:54 |
| chopix | but ofc the intex comes with some indian bloatware, different LTE bands | 18:55 |
| suosaaski | that's why I would be interested in this flashing thing, too. | 18:55 |
| chopix | and the phone sends an SMS every few hours to an Indian phone number | 18:56 |
| suosaaski | not that I have neither the intex or the jolla. But in general, If I were to buy that intex. | 18:56 |
| suosaaski | Would rather get the jolla, though | 18:56 |
| chopix | suosaaski: yeah me too, but I was later on the party | 18:56 |
| suosaaski | maybe I should have ordered the C. | 18:57 |
| suosaaski | Or maybe it is good I didn't | 18:57 |
| suosaaski | would rather have the tablet for the same price :) | 18:57 |
| chopix | I don't understand tablets | 18:58 |
| chopix | I have one, all I do with it is reading something while I am shitting | 18:58 |
| * the_mgt makes a note not to touch chopix mobile devices | 18:59 | |
| suosaaski | well... I have a tablet. my son uses it. I don't. | 18:59 |
| suosaaski | But still I would kinda like to test the jolla. | 18:59 |
| chopix | the_mgt: I clean it after having shi**ed on it :) | 19:00 |
| the_mgt | they all claim that | 19:00 |
| suosaaski | Maybe when better specced sailfish os devices hit the market I might get more interested. Or if someone makes a easy-to-install-even-for-a-non-developer port of sailfish for for example my lg g3 | 19:00 |
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| chopix | I don't see the porting route coming soon | 19:01 |
| chopix | HW is too different | 19:01 |
| chopix | Usage is too litle so far | 19:01 |
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| suosaaski | Yeah, well, remains to be seen. It's not like sailfish products would be available in the stores, either (except for maybe the original Jolla somewhere gathering dust) | 19:02 |
| chopix | if the intex partnership goes well they could be selling intex phones rebranded actually | 19:04 |
| chopix | in EU at least | 19:04 |
| suosaaski | remains to be seen. I don't understand why they wont just sell it more. I would imagine they would still sell some | 19:05 |
| chopix | are you talking about the jolla c? | 19:05 |
| suosaaski | yes | 19:05 |
| chopix | no idea | 19:06 |
| chopix | you can buy an intex though | 19:07 |
| chopix | they pretty cheap | 19:07 |
| M-schmittlauch | Jolla1 has a magnetometer, that's why there are compass apps. And another quite good android routing app is Osmand, depending on how the OSM coverage is in your area. | 19:07 |
| suosaaski | chopix: well. I actually can't (or don't want to), since they are asking way too much information to complete the order | 19:09 |
| chopix | well they ask a scan of you CC | 19:09 |
| chopix | s/of/for | 19:10 |
| suosaaski | yes. Not gonna happen. | 19:10 |
| chopix | You could actually | 19:10 |
| chopix | Use masterpass | 19:11 |
| chopix | to pay for it | 19:11 |
| chopix | I tried but it failed though | 19:11 |
| chopix | masterpass is like paypal | 19:11 |
| attah | you can get it off international ebay at a premium... (w/ paypal) | 19:11 |
| chopix | premium is too high | 19:11 |
| chopix | and it does still ship from india | 19:11 |
| chopix | so you have to add VAt and customs taxes | 19:12 |
| attah | still half the price of what J1 was | 19:12 |
| attah | and that wasn't a bad price imo | 19:13 |
| chopix | 400 euro is a lot tbh | 19:13 |
| chopix | this is why i skipped jolla1 | 19:13 |
| attah | N9 was 650-ish | 19:13 |
| chopix | never costed that much here | 19:13 |
| chopix | i bought mine for 440 | 19:13 |
| chopix | but n9 was... more premium? | 19:14 |
| attah | chopix: 16 or 64? | 19:14 |
| chopix | 16 | 19:14 |
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| attah | i got the 64 at launch | 19:14 |
| chopix | I see | 19:14 |
| suosaaski | jolla1 was way too much for the specs. Simple as that. "It's not the specs, it's the OS" ...but it is. | 19:14 |
| attah | so i guess i'm to blame :) | 19:14 |
| chopix | send me some money richman :p | 19:14 |
| chopix | yeah it was too much for the specs | 19:15 |
| chopix | n9 when it came out was pretty high end | 19:15 |
| chopix | exept the single core arm cpu | 19:15 |
| attah | chopix: same as like galaxy 1 which was 3 years before it | 19:16 |
| attah | -ish | 19:16 |
| chopix | u forget the 1 gb ram | 19:16 |
| chopix | the oled display | 19:16 |
| suosaaski | well, 64GB storage, 1GB RAM, really nice UI... | 19:16 |
| chopix | and beautiful desidng :P | 19:16 |
| chopix | *design | 19:16 |
| attah | design was freaking awesome, i grant you that | 19:17 |
| attah | i thought g1 was oled | 19:17 |
| chopix | no idea but doubt it | 19:17 |
| suosaaski | but cpu and maybe RAM was "all nokia", as in way under the norm. | 19:17 |
| attah | chopix: "super amoled" | 19:17 |
| suosaaski | double tap to wake and all those swipes. It was nice. | 19:18 |
| the_mgt | I still wonder how I missed out on the N9, never new it existed until I owned a jolla | 19:18 |
| pp | n9 is still quite usable | 19:18 |
| the_mgt | I knew about the n900, which was rather underspecced for my desires | 19:18 |
| suosaaski | and that feed-apps-multitasking layout <3 | 19:18 |
| Jope | I liked the harmattan ui a lot | 19:18 |
| attah | pp: until you try to go on the web | 19:18 |
| chopix | pp: my n9 batter is a joke now, also whatsup doesn't work anymore | 19:19 |
| Jope | too bad about all the integrated services becoming obsolete one by one | 19:19 |
| pp | that, the internet is too slow and the browser obsolete | 19:19 |
| Jope | no twitter, no maps, no facebook etc | 19:19 |
| chopix | but 4 happy years | 19:19 |
| attah | but heck even the C craps out there sometimes | 19:19 |
| suosaaski | it is a nice "what could have been" device for those who like to think about the past instead of the future | 19:20 |
| attah | if i have audible running and open something like https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-feather-huzzah-esp8266/overview it borks bad :( | 19:20 |
| attah | the sailfish browser really doesn't like images | 19:20 |
| chopix | attah what are you using now? | 19:21 |
| attah | chopix: C | 19:21 |
| chopix | as a phone | 19:21 |
| chopix | are you happy with it? | 19:21 |
| attah | it's a faster jolla what's not to like? | 19:21 |
| chopix | no idea, maybe its too big | 19:21 |
| attah | i have large hands | 19:22 |
| chopix | is this a threat? :p | 19:22 |
| suosaaski | too big? | 19:22 |
| suosaaski | it's only 5" | 19:22 |
| suosaaski | (times have changed) | 19:22 |
| pp | I just used a nexus 5x as a navigator / wifi tablet for a week, ux is so horrid but hardware is so much > j1 (or C, probably) | 19:22 |
| suosaaski | ux on android is just fine, just different to sailfish so takes getting used to if you are using sailfish | 19:23 |
| suosaaski | also, quality wise nexus 5x is kinda cheap feeling (compared to for example oneplus 3) | 19:24 |
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| chopix | I have to go | 19:24 |
| chopix | thanks for the chat | 19:24 |
| chopix | laters maybe | 19:24 |
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| attah | C is indeed cheap, but it's not trying to be premium, and it's build according to the limitations and done well so i don't mind it at all | 19:27 |
| attah | I just wish it'd have glass from this millennium | 19:27 |
| attah | i saw someone driving in a nail with a N9, or was it the winderp equivalent possibly... | 19:28 |
| suosaaski | lumia 900 probably | 19:29 |
| attah | now that's a display :) | 19:30 |
| r0kk3rz | suosaaski: too much button pushing on android | 19:34 |
| suosaaski | you get used to it. | 19:35 |
| suosaaski | from what I've seen on sailfish, you still open the apps the same way | 19:35 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: word! and now with the new framework not using the semi-hw back button, and instead having it top left... | 19:36 |
| attah | that is pure evil | 19:36 |
| r0kk3rz | attah: yeah, top left on a 5.5" phone | 19:37 |
| r0kk3rz | thanks guys | 19:37 |
| attah | suosaaski: open, yes.. but back/home is so much better | 19:37 |
| sakustar | yeah wonder who made up the top left | 19:38 |
| attah | heck.. my work Z3 compact is bad enough even with my large hands | 19:38 |
| sakustar | so annoying to use a phone while driving now that it requires both hands | 19:39 |
| attah | sakustar: it's a leftie conspiracy | 19:39 |
| sakustar | im a leftiw | 19:39 |
| suosaaski | I usually use my phone with my left hand, I am right handed | 19:39 |
| attah | i do it to out of necessity | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | the good thing about gestures, is that you can do them wherever is comfortable for you, not so much with buttons... | 19:39 |
| suosaaski | maybe for the rare occasions when I need two hands, my right hand is already free | 19:40 |
| suosaaski | I am still not sure what gestures I would miss if I actually could use a sailfish device daily and then I would have to revert to android. | 19:40 |
| sakustar | you should see me operate my android :-D | 19:41 |
| sakustar | the swiping + swearing mixed with confusion | 19:41 |
| Yaniel | swiping out of apps | 19:42 |
| Yaniel | every.single.time. | 19:42 |
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| attah | yup | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: eerytime... | 19:42 |
| suosaaski | no, when I ditched my N9, I tried the swiping thing for a week or two, but haven't REALLY missed it so much that I would have to go back to similar. | 19:43 |
| sakustar | have to or prefer ? | 19:43 |
| suosaaski | have to = miss it so much that I couldn't live without it | 19:44 |
| sakustar | kinda like you dont have to have a physical qwerty | 19:44 |
| suosaaski | Got used to not having it quite quickly | 19:44 |
| sakustar | but after 5+ years you still typo and want to break phones because of the virtuaö kbd | 19:44 |
| suosaaski | I did really want a phone with physical qwerty, but with todays screen sizes and vkbs, not anymore. | 19:45 |
| suosaaski | And also, I can (=could) just use my voice... | 19:45 |
| sakustar | to type? | 19:46 |
| suosaaski | well... wouldn't have to _type_, now would I. | 19:46 |
| sakustar | you must live without restrictions | 19:47 |
| sakustar | :) | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | suosaaski: whether it not its a 'killer feature' thats a 'must have' is kinda irrelevant... imo gestures are clearly objectively better | 19:47 |
| sakustar | being able to yell at a phone all night could be nice | 19:47 |
| sakustar | but kinda awkward to use while out in public | 19:48 |
| suosaaski | Yes, but the new vkbs are nice too | 19:48 |
| suosaaski | or "new" | 19:48 |
| suosaaski | just saying, every device is a compromise. Just a different kind of compromise | 19:49 |
| sakustar | yeah | 19:49 |
| r0kk3rz | only because they're 'one size fits all' | 19:49 |
| suosaaski | To be honest, I would probably have a Windows phone if there wasn't that app gap thing. | 19:49 |
| sakustar | i tried to use my keyboard with usb otg but the phone didnt give out enough power :( | 19:49 |
| attah | just give me the average semi-premium device and SFOS and i'm a happy camper | 19:50 |
| suosaaski | r0kk3rz: they aren't, but luckily there are options so one can select which feature they can compromise on in favor of another. | 19:50 |
| sakustar | theres no option for a keyboard | 19:50 |
| suosaaski | attah: I think I might enjoy SFOS on my G3 or OP2, but not holding my breath | 19:51 |
| r0kk3rz | theres comparatively little difference compared to the size of the market | 19:51 |
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| suosaaski | sakustar: well, you could always have a small bt keyboard... well, not always, because of that is just another thing to carry around. But sometimes. | 19:52 |
| sakustar | until i get a qwerty slider i wont be happy with phones | 19:52 |
| sakustar | :( | 19:52 |
| suosaaski | r0kk3rz: depends of course on what features you are comparing. | 19:53 |
| attah | bb passport looks nice too | 19:53 |
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| suosaaski | sakustar: seems that that time has passed. I was pissed when I saw the pics of Lankku (or Lauta?), though :) | 19:53 |
| attah | like the 1:1 display | 19:53 |
| sakustar | suosaaski: so dissappointment for life eh? :D | 19:54 |
| attah | suosaaski: Lankku (planka) :) | 19:54 |
| suosaaski | it was at the time, I always thought that the N9 with a qwerty would be perfect. And there it was. Fffffffff..... | 19:55 |
| suosaaski | https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/fi-fi/products/keyboards/universal-foldable-keyboard/gu5-00008 that thing is surprisingly small | 19:56 |
| suosaaski | when folded | 19:56 |
| r0kk3rz | lankku was basically production n950 | 19:56 |
| sakustar | bt keyboards dont "just work" most of the time tho | 19:56 |
| suosaaski | It was "Lauta", not Lankku (Lankku was N950, right?) | 19:57 |
| suosaaski | http://muropaketti.com/wp-content/uploads/s/f/editor/images/X-2012101009545392858.jpg | 19:57 |
| sakustar | maybe my lenovo was defective but had to restart bt and keyboard just to get them working | 19:58 |
| attah | lankku is N9 afaik | 19:59 |
| suosaaski | right | 19:59 |
| suosaaski | it is | 19:59 |
| sakustar | e7 has a nice keyboard | 20:00 |
| attah | (wood) board, telling of it's solid, non-slide-out shape | 20:01 |
| suosaaski | it was a quality device. | 20:01 |
| sakustar | shame it had the worst camera ever | 20:01 |
| suosaaski | not the worst ever. By that I mean, it was not the only phone with that crap camera :) | 20:01 |
| sakustar | well worst one i ever had to own | 20:02 |
| attah | N8 was apparently really awesome camera-wize | 20:02 |
| sakustar | yes | 20:02 |
| suosaaski | it was | 20:02 |
| attah | never had the pleasure | 20:02 |
| suosaaski | so was 808 | 20:02 |
| attah | haha, true | 20:02 |
| suosaaski | and lumia 1020 | 20:03 |
| sakustar | e7 couldnt even take a picture of an A4 so that you could make out text | 20:03 |
| sakustar | thats my standard for a usable camera :/ | 20:03 |
| sakustar | suosaaski: probably the bad memory comes from getting an e7 out of repair instead of my old n900 | 20:05 |
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| FireFly | You too? | 20:12 |
| * FireFly shakes fist at telenor | 20:12 | |
| FireFly | (in my case, anyway) | 20:12 |
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