| HtheB | useretail: it's indeed just a wallpaper | 00:00 |
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| HtheB | same as the green, just painted to red... | 00:00 |
| useretail | HtheB: can you dcc it? | 00:05 |
| useretail | thanks beforehand | 00:06 |
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| HtheB | let me see | 00:09 |
| HtheB | where is it saved anyway? | 00:09 |
| HtheB | any idea? | 00:09 |
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| coderus | sailfish-content-ambiences-default sailfish-content-ambiences-default-community | 06:48 |
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| mcfrisk | volume buttons don't work with jollac radio without waking up the device with power key or double tap. Is that a HW limitation? | 09:09 |
| the_mgt | for changing ringtone volume or headphone volume? | 09:09 |
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| mcfrisk | headphone volume | 09:15 |
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| the_mgt | hm, i think that was the case on jolla1, too. I bypassed it by switching to bt headphones | 09:26 |
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| Azog | will there be another batch of jolla c phones? | 09:37 |
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| Bysmyyr | afaik no | 09:39 |
| Bysmyyr | but intex phone is cheaper and similar spec | 09:40 |
| Sidde | Bysmyyr: intex phone has the wrong radio chip for being used on most placed outside india? | 09:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | the lte bands are different anyway | 09:42 |
| r0kk3rz | but i wouldnt count on more jolla c's | 09:42 |
| Sidde | rather important that one. because lte has replaced 3g for example | 09:42 |
| Sidde | atleast in the area i live | 09:43 |
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| Sidde | still exists 3g in the cities though | 09:44 |
| r0kk3rz | Sidde: as in they no longer broadcast 3g? | 09:45 |
| Sidde | r0kk3rz: on some antennas yes | 09:45 |
| Sidde | r0kk3rz: also lowered the transmission power | 09:45 |
| r0kk3rz | oh right, thats aggressive | 09:46 |
| Sidde | Telia is pushing 4g and now 5g rather hard | 09:46 |
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| Sidde | Telia is aiming for 5G 2018 for example | 09:48 |
| FireFly | Yeah, my experience is that I usually get 2G where I don't get 4G reception | 09:48 |
| FireFly | So I'm assuming 3G antennas are getting powered down | 09:48 |
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| till | depends on your country, afaik swisscom in switzerland is going to shut down 2g until 2020 | 09:50 |
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| Sidde | till: 2g will probably outlast 3g by many many years | 09:51 |
| SQUelcher | Some are already switching 3G off in favor of 4G, 2G will stay because of millions of M2M modems | 09:52 |
| till | yes, but I read something differently about swisscom :) | 09:53 |
| the_mgt | do you have mobile internet conenctio via 2G? | 09:56 |
| Sidde | gprs/edge still works | 09:56 |
| Sidde | atleast here. i'm using it all the time | 09:57 |
| the_mgt | so, slow, but working? | 09:57 |
| the_mgt | seems to me, that every time I am on 2G, i am offline. might be my provider being shitty | 09:57 |
| Sidde | don't know which speeds i got with edge, maybe 20-40kb/s | 09:58 |
| Sidde | just a guess though. Having a weather station on the boat | 09:58 |
| Sidde | can send data to my server at home | 09:58 |
| r0kk3rz | the_mgt: given that your average website has exceeded the size of the game Doom, it probably appears to be dead... | 10:00 |
| SQUelcher | the_mgt: depends heavily on the network. while t-mobile germany is having decent speeds at 2g, vodafone germany is hardly working, even ssh connections may drop there | 10:00 |
| till | o2 germany has installed edge only on those base stations not equipped with 3g, so you get gprs speed max on most stations | 10:02 |
| FireFly | <the_mgt> do you have mobile internet conenctio via 2G? ← works for me, with expected slow speeds | 10:04 |
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| the_mgt | r0kk3rz: the installer of doom, not the installed game, iirc :P | 10:10 |
| the_mgt | will have to check again, I am with eplus, so that means telefonica/o2 now | 10:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | MVNOs can get oversold though | 10:14 |
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| mcfrisk | the_mgt: no, jolla1 volume buttons work for music volume all the time. In jollac they work for mp3 etc but with FM radio. | 10:17 |
| mcfrisk | /but/but not/ | 10:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | mcfrisk: id expect its a bug you're seeing, log it on tjc | 10:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | jolla 1 contextually switches between media volume and ringtone volume | 10:18 |
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| mcfrisk | r0kk3rz: ok, tjc it is then. | 10:19 |
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| Nicd- | I thought 4G didn't have voice | 10:21 |
| the_mgt | they will switch to voip via 4g, too | 10:22 |
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| MoritzJT | Does anyone know if Jolla has *.mbn files to reflash a bricked Jolla C - or if the flashing policy stays as it was with Jolla Phone? | 11:56 |
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| Tofe | I don't know, but I don't see why it would be any different | 12:02 |
| MoritzJT | Because other manufacturers do provide those and Jolla should not have made another device under the same restrictions ;) | 12:03 |
| MoritzJT | One can dream... After all | 12:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | Jolla didnt make the device, intex did | 12:06 |
| MoritzJT | I just can't bear the thought of Qualcomm just DICTATING terms... Screw this Android / iOS only world :-( | 12:08 |
| Tofe | you can always dump your Jolla C partitions | 12:08 |
| MoritzJT | Also I'd like to have some explanation on why we can't have it. There cannot be any type of NDA that even forbids talking about the reasons. | 12:08 |
| MoritzJT | No, my Jolla C is bricked^^ I have the partition tables but my Jolla C does no longer have them I guess | 12:08 |
| Tofe | ah... | 12:09 |
| r0kk3rz | MoritzJT: on the contrary, NDAs typically cover talking about the NDA itself | 12:09 |
| MoritzJT | For android devices there's reflash ROMS out there that can revive even a total brick. For Jolla there's nothing | 12:09 |
| MoritzJT | Screw NDAs then. | 12:09 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 12:09 |
| MoritzJT | We need a hero leaker! :P | 12:09 |
| Tofe | I guess Jolla doesn't have the right to distribute the drivers outside of the device itself - so no factory image, and no mbn image | 12:09 |
| MoritzJT | Would a mbn image mean that we had access to those drivers? | 12:10 |
| Tofe | I don't know what a mbn image is ^^ I just guessed it was a dump of the qualcomm partitions | 12:11 |
| r0kk3rz | we have access to the drivers anyway | 12:11 |
| r0kk3rz | but people have been told off for distributing a dumped jphone image | 12:11 |
| MoritzJT | I remember that. However that dumped image could only be flashed when the device is still responsive, right? No one could connect a Jolla C to Qualcomm tools and dump an image I could then flash? | 12:12 |
| Tofe | You'd need fastboot access at least | 12:12 |
| r0kk3rz | no it was to be done through recovery mode | 12:12 |
| MoritzJT | Hmm see. So I'm entirely out of luck. And Jolla developer care is not responding at all, even though I thought holidays are overe. | 12:13 |
| MoritzJT | At least I want to know if and where to send my Jolla C for a factory reflash | 12:14 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure they'll reflash it for you | 12:14 |
| MoritzJT | fastboot does rely on some device partitions as well I guess | 12:14 |
| MoritzJT | but if you kill your devices partition table, only Qualcomm image could revive, afaik | 12:14 |
| Tofe | MoritzJT: it relies on the bootloader partition at least :) | 12:14 |
| MoritzJT | I'm sure them reflashing it for me is a waste of 4 hours workpower and 2 weeks transit. | 12:15 |
| MoritzJT | I'll make sure Qualcomm gets bad press over this. A little crusade can't hurt no one | 12:15 |
| r0kk3rz | good luck | 12:15 |
| MoritzJT | I could as well get a little less emotional over a mess I got myself into in the first place ;) | 12:16 |
| r0kk3rz | it is shit that we dont have access to basic recovery tools for our devices | 12:18 |
| r0kk3rz | your device is responding to usb, if you had the right tools installed it would be recovered already | 12:19 |
| MoritzJT | Exactly. Nokia did have those tools in the hands of their servicing infrastructure and shops. From there it leaked to the internet and after a while we even had the tools platform manufacturers had, tools to author device images themselves. | 12:19 |
| MoritzJT | Yeah, that's why I'm so mad about the whole issue. It would be a matter of 2 minutes to revive it. Now it will be a matter of about a month, being conservative | 12:20 |
| r0kk3rz | afaik, the sony tab i have is fully recoverable with tools provided from sony | 12:20 |
| r0kk3rz | putting it into a special flashmode which isnt fastboot | 12:20 |
| MoritzJT | Maybe I have to travel to Jolla and sneak out the NDA. I guess if we knew what it contains we'd be mad alltogether :D | 12:20 |
| r0kk3rz | you can be assured that Jolla doesnt like it either... but one battle at a time | 12:21 |
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| ced117 | about this, dumb question, is there some kind of recovery on the jolla c like we had on the jolla1 ? | 12:54 |
| MoritzJT | No idea - there's no documentation on that yet. The recovery feature on Jolla 1 made extensive use of BTRFS afaik. Jolla C has EXT4 and LVM so there might be a different kind of solution | 12:56 |
| r0kk3rz | ced117: yes | 12:56 |
| ced117 | alright r0kk3rz, thanks :) | 12:57 |
| r0kk3rz | ced117: voldown + pwr i think it was | 12:58 |
| ced117 | r0kk3rz, ok, will try that later :) | 12:59 |
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| attah | anyone else gotten an @folix screen protector with cutout for a non-existing mic? | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | attah: https://twitter.com/eLtMosen/with_replies | 17:49 |
| eLtMosen | ;) if any questions, just ask! | 17:50 |
| attah | so that's the one i should have gotten? | 17:51 |
| the_mgt | attah: sure it's not the light sensor? | 17:52 |
| attah | the_mgt: it's at the bottom.. original protector didn't have it | 17:52 |
| the_mgt | ah, ok | 17:53 |
| attah | feels pretty decent tho, MUCH better than the one that came with | 17:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | attah: what phone was it for? | 18:45 |
| r0kk3rz | eLtMosen: bedifol one looks the goods | 18:46 |
| eLtMosen | yes, i really am satisfied with bedifol service | 18:46 |
| eLtMosen | delivery took some 5 days within germany though. Same time like someone got delivered to UK lol. | 18:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah i got a vikuiti one from them ages ago and it didnt take long | 18:50 |
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| attah | r0kk3rz: Jolla C | 18:54 |
| attah | alledgedly | 18:55 |
| r0kk3rz | orly? with a random hole... | 18:57 |
| attah | yes | 18:57 |
| attah | https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01H5GQ10O/ref=pe_386171_143187061_TE_item | 18:58 |
| r0kk3rz | oh lol, does it match up with the LED? | 19:04 |
| attah | yes, yes it does | 19:05 |
| attah | didn't think of that :P | 19:05 |
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| pdanek | What's happening with Sailfish? | 20:18 |
| pdanek | It appears like the development completely stopped | 20:18 |
| pdanek | or just jollausers.com and reviewjolla.blogspot died? | 20:19 |
| pdanek | oh yes, they did! | 20:19 |
| pdanek | https://blog.jolla.com/early-access-sailfish-os-2-0-2-aurajoki/ | 20:19 |
| pdanek | nice | 20:19 |
| the_mgt | james from jollausers is working for jolla now | 20:22 |
| the_mgt | he is the author of that article | 20:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: they've been developing two versions under the covers for device releases | 20:25 |
| r0kk3rz | with new things like FM Radio support, dual sim support, fingerprint reader support | 20:26 |
| Nicd- | the new flashlight in 2.0.2 is pretty terrible | 20:26 |
| Nicd- | takes 10–30 seconds to start | 20:27 |
| Acce | on Jolla 1? | 20:27 |
| Nicd- | yep | 20:27 |
| Nicd- | pretty annoying to wait for it | 20:27 |
| r0kk3rz | its not so bad on jolla c | 20:28 |
| Nicd- | I'm assuming they are starting an entire Qt application in the background and that's why it takes so long | 20:28 |
| Nicd- | since it matches startup time of other apps | 20:28 |
| suosaaski | that is... long | 20:28 |
| r0kk3rz | they would be using the qtmultimedia api yes | 20:29 |
| Nicd- | even turning it off takes a couple of seconds sometimes | 20:29 |
| r0kk3rz | on jolla c the first time takes maybe 10 seconds, then its instant | 20:29 |
| the_mgt | still instant after half a day? | 20:30 |
| the_mgt | it seems the task gets killed and you need to wait again | 20:31 |
| r0kk3rz | dont know, ill try tomorrow | 20:31 |
| Nicd- | yeah, it's fast on Jolla 1 after the first start too | 20:32 |
| Nicd- | but usually the first start is the most important | 20:32 |
| the_mgt | my first start was earlier today. i just started again and it took ages | 20:33 |
| Nicd- | is there no other way to light the LED than through qtmultimedia? | 20:34 |
| Nicd- | the delay is too long | 20:34 |
| sakustar | 2016, doesnt carry a flashlight | 20:35 |
| Nicd- | 2016, has a phone where nothing works properly :( | 20:36 |
| sakustar | :D | 20:36 |
| sakustar | accessorize | 20:36 |
| sakustar | you can get a nice flashlight for under 200! | 20:36 |
| Yaniel | Nicd- isn't that more the rule than the exception | 20:37 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: I'm about to find out soon | 20:37 |
| coderus | Nicd-: use powermenu2, it's awesome. | 20:38 |
| Yaniel | at least according to my experiences with ios... | 20:38 |
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| phlixi | just checked (hadnt used flash light for a year or two probably^^), it took 2.5 to 3 seconds from tapping on the button until the light turned on | 20:42 |
| phlixi | ...2.0.2 not installed so far | 20:43 |
| the_mgt | in the dedicated app? yes | 20:43 |
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| phlixi | thus maybe its just the same? | 20:43 |
| the_mgt | no | 20:43 |
| the_mgt | i hace the dedicated app and it is way faster than the thing built into 2.0.2 | 20:43 |
| phlixi | it took longer to find the button :D | 20:43 |
| the_mgt | maybe it takes another two years and they fix it, like the camera app | 20:44 |
| phlixi | then what button are you talking about?= | 20:44 |
| the_mgt | in this event screen | 20:44 |
| the_mgt | the one above the screen were your notifications are | 20:44 |
| phlixi | took 1-2 seconds from tap to light the first time i tried | 20:45 |
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| phlixi | second time below one second | 20:45 |
| phlixi | but thats jolla c, not jp1301 | 20:45 |
| phlixi | on the iphone its pretty much instant | 20:46 |
| the_mgt | they can afford 12 devs only for the flashlight app | 20:47 |
| phlixi | and nexus about the same as jolla c, feels laggy | 20:47 |
| phlixi | they might be able to afford, i am sure they dont | 20:47 |
| phlixi | they have actually problems getting devs, thus they dont really can afford 12 for such stuff | 20:48 |
| the_mgt | why would they would ahve trouble finding devs? | 20:48 |
| phlixi | because there arent infinite devs | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | the_mgt: because they have a history of not paying people? | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | they had devs, for one reason or another a lot of them left | 20:49 |
| phlixi | never heard of that one | 20:49 |
| phlixi | well, i was talking about apple, not jolla | 20:49 |
| the_mgt | apple or jolla? | 20:49 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla | 20:49 |
| the_mgt | I was talking about apple, whose flashlight app is rather fast | 20:50 |
| phlixi | of course jolla can NOT afford 12 devs for flashlight... | 20:50 |
| phlixi | so was i^^ | 20:50 |
| r0kk3rz | apples os doesnt have to be device independent either | 20:50 |
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| phlixi | i think one can be happy that there is such button at all on jolla... and now that its there and obviously works (at all) i bet they have 124370 more important items on their list than speeding up the flashlights startup time | 20:51 |
| phlixi | it is probably more device independent that sailfish^^ | 20:51 |
| phlixi | they are just not exposing it to you | 20:51 |
| the_mgt | while we are talking about apple... mtp support for osx would be a fine thing to fix | 20:52 |
| phlixi | mtp would be a great thing to get deleted everywhere | 20:52 |
| r0kk3rz | and replace it with? | 20:53 |
| the_mgt | I don't care for that, as long as they implement another working solution | 20:53 |
| phlixi | something that does not exist so far. but i guess in future its more and more dependent on "cloud" ...and if you ae like me, and dont like your data beeing on the computers of strangers, then you just do sftp or whatever, but for sure not mtp | 20:54 |
| the_mgt | yeah, i replaced the tapped water system in my house with a bucket i use to fetch water from the nearby river | 20:55 |
| phlixi | actually me personally, i use practiacally exclusivly sftp to move files from or to the phone | 20:55 |
| the_mgt | you cant trust your cities water system and it is just too comfy! | 20:55 |
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| phlixi | well, its kind of a bucket that is sometimes pretty fast and always with you, and without cables | 20:55 |
| phlixi | as if mtp was comfy | 20:56 |
| the_mgt | putting a cable between phone and computer and it works, presto, that is comfy | 20:56 |
| phlixi | if they files are not too big (and for me, most of the time they are not) then owncloud is super comfy, i would never put a cable on the phone, or even put it out of the pocked, just to copy some files in there | 20:57 |
| the_mgt | macfusion needs ip/hostname based config on every wifi i use, or i'd need to use tether mode, etc. | 20:57 |
| the_mgt | ownclown < anything else. I'd rather sftp | 20:57 |
| phlixi | do you use owncloud`? | 20:57 |
| the_mgt | no | 20:58 |
| the_mgt | I'd use seafile | 20:58 |
| Yaniel | syncthing has been pretty nice | 20:59 |
| the_mgt | but it needs time, which I currently do not have, to set up, etc | 20:59 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah syncthing works well | 20:59 |
| phlixi | i am not sure, but i dont know if i used mtp on the jolla devices at all. however i have very bad experience with lots of other devices and mtp. i remember some thing wanted me to reboot in order to update new folders... that was hilarious. i think it was some nexus on windows | 21:01 |
| phlixi | the point is, i never ever heard of anything where mtp was working as one would expect, when used to things like sftp etc | 21:01 |
| phlixi | this mtp sh*t should just die, and not eat more man hours | 21:02 |
| phlixi | and by the way, wireless connections get faster and faster (well, not that much on the current sailfish devices), thus cloud based stuff is probably actually faster than usb2 | 21:03 |
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