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| cehteh | 64gb with f2fs works well here | 00:46 |
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| TMavica | Jolla C and Aquafish band is different? | 07:28 |
| the_mgt | LTE bands differ, afaik | 07:29 |
| TMavica | Thanks | 07:29 |
| TMavica | Not a big deal for me, both will work | 07:29 |
| the_mgt | jolla C is more europe centered, from what I understood, but I have no real clue | 07:30 |
| Renault | it's likely the same hardware (make a different hardware for 1500 pieces is very expensive) | 07:32 |
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| the_mgt | Renault: yep, sounds possible | 07:37 |
| * cb400f offers a virtual hug and pad on the back to anyone who figures how to enable the european 4g bands on the Aqua Fish ;-) | 07:37 | |
| cb400f | I wonder if it might work out of the box, even if it's not listed in the specifications | 07:38 |
| cb400f | seems weird to actively disable frequencies that the hardware supports... unless there's some legal funkyness in play | 07:39 |
| Renault | nop, you can have hardware which supports all/almost all bands around the world | 07:41 |
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| Renault | you much be compliant with local frequencies to work, but you can support other frequencies for the standard too | 07:41 |
| cb400f | so you agree there's a good chance the Aqua Fish will work with eg. 4G 800 and 2600 MHz out of the box, even if it's not listed in the specifications? | 07:43 |
| Renault | but, the software is different, it's right, and the software could enable / disable that, even if it's unlike I think | 07:43 |
| cb400f | since it would make zero sense to actively block it | 07:43 |
| cb400f | right | 07:44 |
| Renault | cb400f: yes, but, you can wait feedback from EU customer before to confirm that point | 07:45 |
| Renault | (some of them bought the Intex device) | 07:45 |
| r0kk3rz | its not impossible that the modem is a different chip | 07:45 |
| cb400f | yep, I'm in no particular rush. My Jolla is still working great... and I'd also like to evaluate the Turing and possibly the Fairphone :-) | 07:46 |
| r0kk3rz | heh, bit of a mixed bag there cb400f | 07:47 |
| cb400f | they all have different strong points ;-) | 07:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | turing phone is probably 6-8 months off general availability, sfos fairphone who knows... | 07:48 |
| cb400f | hopefully Fairphone is watching everybody in Europe going nuts over the Aqua Fish ;-) | 07:50 |
| r0kk3rz | i think the issue is the support burden, not whether or not people want a sailfish fairphone | 07:50 |
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| cb400f | yeah, they should drop Android to simplify things ;-) | 07:52 |
| Helle | well, I'll walk by their offices a few times on my Jolla C :P | 07:53 |
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| cb400f | ;-) | 07:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | Helle: stop in, they're nice people | 07:59 |
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| Helle | r0kk3rz: well, doing that unannounced is a bit rude | 08:00 |
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| Nicd- | how can I import notes from a backed up notes.sql file? | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | sqlite refuses to open it | 08:40 |
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| Helle | Nicd-: isn't it just dump of statements to restore ? | 09:05 |
| Nicd- | oh? :D | 09:05 |
| Nicd- | didn't even check | 09:05 |
| Helle | so a text file | 09:05 |
| Nicd- | yes it is | 09:06 |
| Nicd- | hee hee | 09:06 |
| Nicd- | I'm stupidf | 09:06 |
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| mcfrisk | soo, importing jolla backup to jollac doesn't work, sigh | 12:03 |
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| tadzik | os versions? | 12:03 |
| mcfrisk | "Settings is not responding" but jolla version is 2.0.1.11 and jollac was newer | 12:04 |
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| tadzik | oh, but it's from-old-to-new, I'd imagine that should work fine :/ | 12:05 |
| Bysmyyr | mcfrisk: check together | 12:05 |
| mcfrisk | jollac version is 2.0.2.43 | 12:06 |
| mcfrisk | I saw call history moving discussed on together. did anyone copy saved wlan networks and password? I guess the magic connman dirs can be just copied over.. | 12:07 |
| inz | If anyone else needs to fake their GPS location, I just made this: https://github.com/inzanity/geoclue-mock (jolla pre-built rpm at http://inz.fi/geoclue-mock/ ) | 12:10 |
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| tadzik | *sniff sniff* is someone playing pokemon go? :P | 12:11 |
| inz | *whistles* | 12:12 |
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| Nicd- | good way to get banned | 12:15 |
| inz | probably | 12:15 |
| Renault | yohou, Jolla C second batch is coming :) | 12:17 |
| citylight2 | +1 | 12:17 |
| Renault | I received the email | 12:17 |
| r0kk3rz | inz: perhaps an idea is to record a real GPS session, and then replay the data | 12:17 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe with a bit of gaussian noise thrown in | 12:18 |
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| Nicd- | what's the point of cheating in such a game? you lose the whole objective of it | 12:20 |
| inz | Nicd-, it's raining out ;) | 12:20 |
| sakustar | well the game wants you to go out | 12:21 |
| sakustar | and walk and stuff | 12:21 |
| sakustar | and it doesnt track you when screen is off | 12:21 |
| inz | This was just for testing on jolla, I play fair-and-square on an android phone | 12:22 |
| tadzik | well, maybe someone likes the pokemon catching part but doesn't like the walking around part :) | 12:22 |
| sakustar | or the teenager hordes that make too much noise near pokeystops | 12:23 |
| sakustar | :p | 12:23 |
| tadzik | . o O ( damn kids get off my pallet town! ) | 12:23 |
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| sakustar | theres also this https://github.com/kahopoon/Pokemon-Go-Controller | 12:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: a large amount of the game is grinding... people made WoW bots for the same reason | 12:26 |
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| mcfrisk | man, really really bad idea to not be backwards compatible with backups.. | 12:29 |
| r0kk3rz | mcfrisk: 2.0.2 isnt a properly released version yet | 12:30 |
| r0kk3rz | and indeed, its a little rough around the edges | 12:30 |
| mcfrisk | so basically rsync of ~/.vault from jolla1 to jollac should still work | 12:32 |
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| phlixi_o | so the shiping mail says, its shiped with fedex if its a phone, DHL if its not a phone ... and then at the end of the mail it says shipped with TNT | 12:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | phlixi_o: mine was shipped via TNT | 12:45 |
| phlixi_o | i read it like code, and "shipped by" seems to be mutable | 12:46 |
| phlixi_o | thus it has to be tnt | 12:46 |
| phlixi_o | .-) | 12:46 |
| mcfrisk | sigh, so rsync of .vault from jolla1 to jollac does not work | 12:47 |
| phlixi_o | unless the mail ought to be parsed backwards :D | 12:47 |
| phlixi_o | i think i remember i read on this channel, that backups from jp1301 made with current version can not be restored on jolla c | 12:48 |
| phlixi_o | and i think some one then said, just rsync home | 12:48 |
| phlixi_o | but you might want to google the log for that | 12:48 |
| Renault | r0kk3rz, phlixi_o: TNT = FEDEx since May 2016 | 12:50 |
| phlixi_o | sure, but for the dumb user, its two different brands | 12:52 |
| phlixi_o | like two different companies | 12:52 |
| phlixi_o | i dont know how fast they merge | 12:53 |
| phlixi_o | and the tracking code does not work for both, ^^ | 12:53 |
| Renault | yes, but maybe Jolla has contacted FedEx which redirected to TNT for this case | 12:54 |
| Renault | it should happen | 12:54 |
| Renault | and yes, impossible to track for the moment | 12:54 |
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| LarstiQ | phlixi_o: try TNT Express | 13:00 |
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| TMavica | LarstiQ: mine is shipped? | 13:02 |
| LarstiQ | TMavica: didn't you get the shipping notification email just now? | 13:02 |
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| Renault | in general, it takes several hours between vendor notification and track number available on Internet | 13:07 |
| mcfrisk | what's the use of 'privileged' group in jolla/sailfishos? several .* files seem to have that in jollac:~/ | 13:14 |
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| M-schmittlauch | mcfrisk: see https://together.jolla.com/question/136773/backup-restore-from-jolla1-to-c-not-work/?answer=138752#post-id-138752 for restoring the backup | 13:31 |
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| mcfrisk | M-schmittlauch: thanks, reading that already and got settings app only confused and wanting to update backups | 13:33 |
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| TMavica | LarstiQ: got it.. | 13:46 |
| TMavica | But i also need call by someone.. | 13:46 |
| mcfrisk | sigh, copying .vault to jollac doesn't work at all since settings/backup insists an sdcard or cloud account.. | 13:49 |
| mcfrisk | what breaks if I just rsync /home/nemo from jolla1 to jollac? | 13:50 |
| mcfrisk | and ignore this broken .vault thingy | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: that's what i did | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | lost wifi settings and android apps but that's about it | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | i'd remove the old nemo directory though | 13:54 |
| tigeli | you can migrate the wifi settings too if you want, but requires some modifications to files/directories | 13:55 |
| tigeli | +it | 13:55 |
| tigeli | usually not worth it | 13:55 |
| mcfrisk | tigeli: sigh, would be nice to not need to type all wifi passwords again.. | 13:55 |
| sakustar | why dont modern phones show me wifi passwords without rooting or tampering :( | 13:55 |
| mcfrisk | ^^!!! | 13:56 |
| sakustar | google & ms already sync em on devices | 13:56 |
| tigeli | ms does share them your buddies too :D | 13:57 |
| Yaniel | IIRC sailfish lets you view the contents of any password field on the press of a button | 13:57 |
| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: did you copy also all dot directories in ~/ ? | 13:57 |
| tigeli | to your buddies | 13:57 |
| sakustar | yeah its nice | 13:57 |
| tigeli | not really :D | 13:57 |
| sakustar | no? :p | 13:58 |
| tigeli | google does not either sync them anywhere.. but you can migrate them to another device | 13:58 |
| sakustar | i thought you had to share it to a buddy to get them to work | 13:58 |
| tigeli | but that goes through nfs/wlan | 13:58 |
| tigeli | nfc | 13:58 |
| tigeli | argh | 13:58 |
| mcfrisk | nfs would be nice | 13:58 |
| sakustar | hmm. theres a google password something for accounts, i think it stores wlans in my google acc too | 13:59 |
| tigeli | sakustar: sure, but still.. personally nobody with windows devices is getting password to my wifis :D | 13:59 |
| sakustar | had to use chrome on a pc to change netflix pw on phone | 13:59 |
| sakustar | 5/5 ux | 13:59 |
| tigeli | sakustar: well, that's something that chrome does | 14:00 |
| sakustar | android | 14:00 |
| tigeli | nope | 14:00 |
| tigeli | chrome | 14:00 |
| sakustar | okies | 14:00 |
| sakustar | idk i had the netflix app prompt something and stored wrong acc credentials :D | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: yes | 14:00 |
| sakustar | but tigeli you are free to keep holding on to your racist thoughts about windows ;D | 14:02 |
| sakustar | its a nice feature as an idea at least | 14:02 |
| Yaniel | > racist | 14:02 |
| sakustar | i never invite anyone over so :p | 14:03 |
| mcfrisk | do I brick the device if I move /home/nemo away and start from scratch? | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it'll not boot likely | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | mv /home/nemo in recovery is ok though | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | and then replace it over usb | 14:03 |
| mcfrisk | and recovery is usb networking or serial console or? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:04 |
| sakustar | sup Stskeeps | 14:05 |
| sakustar | whys it so hot today ;_; | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | sakustar: enjoying my holiday | 14:05 |
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| sakustar | unable to enjoy atm | 14:05 |
| sakustar | but nice if you can :D | 14:06 |
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| TMavica | LarstiQ: I cant use the tracking number, and it said not found | 14:41 |
| TMavica | also why it use posti.fi service@@? | 14:41 |
| TMavica | nth...it use taqbin-hk | 14:42 |
| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: do you know what the privileged group does? /home/nemo has a several files with group set but no access rights. Feels like some black magic which can render device unbootable.. | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: yes it seperates contacts and other stuff from regular apps | 14:50 |
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| mcfrisk | ugh, jolla1 /home/nemo doesn't fit into jollac, disk/partition full | 15:12 |
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| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: so that means that copying /home/nemo from jolla1 to jollac should be done as root via tar ball to keep permissions. | 15:15 |
| mcfrisk | jollac home 11G, jolla1 14G. I guess some cache dirs and downloads can be skipped | 15:17 |
| abranson | 14G on that 16G btrfs filesystem? | 15:17 |
| abranson | have you got an sd mounted in there? | 15:18 |
| mcfrisk | that was output from df | 15:18 |
| abranson | if i ever got over 9.5, i'd get btrfs problems | 15:18 |
| mcfrisk | but my jolla1 /home/nemo does not fit jollac as it is | 15:18 |
| mcfrisk | .vault was 3.6G which is too much so I'll delete some backups already | 15:19 |
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| abranson | space inspector from the store is handy. treemap view of your fs. | 15:20 |
| mcfrisk | du -k | sort -rn | 15:21 |
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| silver_hook | Whoops, I made a boo-boo. | 16:26 |
| silver_hook | I followed the following HowTo to get Google Play Services (for Pokémon Go) and ended up with Alien Dalvik simply not starting up any more at all: https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1509945&postcount=85 | 16:27 |
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| silver_hook | What I think did it was copying all the files from szopin’s archive to the appropriate folders: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1510042&postcount=93 | 16:28 |
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| silver_hook | Any ideas? Or at least where I can get back the original files from `/opt/alien/system/` (other than a factory reset)? | 16:45 |
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| silver_hook | eekkelund: I saw you wrote the original answer. Is there any step missing or implied, that I managed to miss in order to get to the current issue (see ^^)? | 17:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | silver_hook: http://www.htheb.com/list/jolla/apps/PlayStoreforJolla/JollaC/ReadMe.txt | 17:09 |
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| silver_hook | r0kk3rz: I’m on Jolla 1 (or whathever the Jolla Phone is called nowadays) | 17:10 |
| silver_hook | …if it makes any difference. | 17:10 |
| r0kk3rz | it does | 17:10 |
| r0kk3rz | but im not sure if pokego works on jolla 1 due to old android version | 17:11 |
| silver_hook | r0kk3rz: Pokemon Go works on Jolla 1 …or did, until I messed up my dalvik :P | 17:13 |
| suosaaski | Jolla Jolla | 17:15 |
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| silver_hook | r0kk3rz: I’ll try the readme you posted. I already obtained the files :) | 17:16 |
| r0kk3rz | silver_hook: best not, as thats for jolla c | 17:17 |
| silver_hook | r0kk3rz: What’s the big difference? | 17:19 |
| r0kk3rz | theres stuff on tjc for the jphone | 17:19 |
| r0kk3rz | silver_hook: jolla c has android 4.4, and things changed | 17:19 |
| silver_hook | r0kk3rz: Ah, OK. I would expect the updates to trickle into jphone as well… | 17:20 |
| silver_hook | https://together.jolla.com/question/137981/gps-in-modified-pokemon-go/ | 17:20 |
| r0kk3rz | silver_hook: yeah it doesnt work like that with the android support unforunately | 17:21 |
| silver_hook | So this then? https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play-on-original-jolla-phone-sbj/ | 17:21 |
| r0kk3rz | that sounds like it | 17:22 |
| silver_hook | r0kk3rz: Cool, thanks :) | 17:28 |
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| * silver_hook crosses his fingers that the files that will be overwritten are the same as he already overwrote with the JollaC version | 17:29 | |
| silver_hook | BTW, what’s the package manager on Jolla again? I can’t find neither apt-get nor zypper. | 17:32 |
| Helle | yum | 17:33 |
| teve | pkcon | 17:33 |
| Helle | oh, right, oops | 17:33 |
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| silver_hook | teve: Aaaah, right. Thanks :D | 17:37 |
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| silver_hook | Any idea how to fix this error in `pkcon update`? | 18:04 |
| silver_hook | Fatal error: File './noarch/droid-system-packager-0.1.8-10.3.1.jolla.noarch.rpm' not found on medium 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/2.0.1.11/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/?credentials=store' | 18:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | silver_hook: pkcon refresh | 18:23 |
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| rubdos | Someone wants to help debug my Jolla? It's broken. I'll explain: | 19:00 |
| rubdos | Currently on vacation in Denmark (aka., roaming) | 19:00 |
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| rubdos | Previous week, I stayed at a place that crashed my network stack every time. Didn't care enough because I only stayed three days. | 19:01 |
| rubdos | Now, on the motorway (my father drove, no worries), I thought to have the same problem. | 19:01 |
| rubdos | By network stack crashing, I mean, the 4G/3G/2G losing it completely until next boot. | 19:02 |
| rubdos | But today, after reboot, it didn't get better. | 19:02 |
| rubdos | Before it crashed, though, I was sending a text (a short one). It crashed in the middle of sending it. | 19:03 |
| eekkelund | silver_hook: Did you manage? | 19:04 |
| rubdos | Now it still tries to send that same text on every boot. Sometimes I cannot even get to my contact list. | 19:04 |
| rubdos | dmesg follows, gimme a sec | 19:04 |
| rubdos | http://pastebin.com/raw/g3HWE6iQ | 19:04 |
| rubdos | df -h shows enough space available | 19:05 |
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| rubdos | Oh, and trying to delete or send a message in Messages also segfaults the Messages app | 19:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/7/26/12285150/blackberry-dtek50-android-smartphone-announcement-price | 19:12 |
| r0kk3rz | oh bb what are you even doing | 19:13 |
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| rubdos | Still same problems with SD card | 19:19 |
| rubdos | SIM* | 19:19 |
| silver_hook | r0kk3rz: Thanks, that did it. | 19:20 |
| rubdos | without* | 19:29 |
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| rubdos | Cannot seem to get into jolla zendesk either | 19:40 |
| rubdos | Don't they just have an email? | 19:40 |
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| silver_hook | eekkelund: Nope, it seems that by first following the Jolla C procedure, I overwrote some parts of /opt/alien/system/ that I shouldn’t have. | 19:54 |
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| eekkelund | Damn, yea those files are for JollaC.. | 19:57 |
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| silver_hook | eekkelund: Yea, with r0kk3rz’s help I found the right HowTo for the Jolla1/jPhone, but Alien Dalvik won’t start anymore. | 20:01 |
| silver_hook | systemctl output: https://dpaste.de/ipTO | 20:01 |
| silver_hook | Is there a way to reinstall those Alien Dalvik files via `pkcon` or is it (as I fear) a completely separate thing since it’s in “/opt/”? | 20:03 |
| silver_hook | If the latter, can some kind soul provide me with the tarball of the clean /opt/alien/system/app /opt/alien/system/framework /opt/alien/system/priv-app | 20:04 |
| eekkelund | You could try this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1406350&postcount=47 | 20:05 |
| eekkelund | Helped me :) | 20:05 |
| silver_hook | eekkelund: Ah, thanks :) I’m in the middle of `pkcon install aliendalvik` …if it fails, I’ll try that. | 20:06 |
| r0kk3rz | silver_hook: afaik there is a 'fix shit' pkcon command flag | 20:08 |
| silver_hook | r0kk3rz, eekkelund: Well, I’ll be … `pkcon install aliendalvik` fixed it. | 20:09 |
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| silver_hook | eekkelund, r0kk3rz: I still have some of the files left that I previously installed for Jolla C. | 20:09 |
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| silver_hook | Seems to work now :) | 20:13 |
| silver_hook | Still, I’m not entirely pleased to have some extra files lurking around (and from a wrong version). I’ll clean that up later using the TMO post you sent me. | 20:13 |
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| rubdos | Typical btrfs -ENOSP. Fixing it. | 20:19 |
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| eekkelund | Yeah cleaning with those commands should help :) | 20:41 |
| eekkelund | silver_hook ^ | 20:42 |
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| LarstiQ | rubdos: found https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new ? | 20:55 |
| rubdos | LarstiQ, yes | 20:55 |
| rubdos | doesn't work | 20:55 |
| rubdos | probably too much blockers here and there | 20:55 |
| rubdos | both qutebrowser and firefox don't let me in :o | 20:56 |
| rubdos | but I'm fighting some btrfs stuff. | 20:56 |
| rubdos | it's ENOSPC | 20:56 |
| rubdos | have experience with that | 20:56 |
| rubdos | if it still doesn't work, I'll try chromium or something alike | 20:56 |
| rubdos | yiss, btrfs balance start has started | 20:57 |
| rubdos | btrfs always breaks. But I have enough knowledge to fix it now :D | 20:58 |
| rubdos | using it on my laptop too. Loving it, but when it breaks. | 20:59 |
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| masque | ``/quit | 21:34 |
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| silver_hook | eekkelund: I’ll clean up now :) Does Pokemon Go work with on Jolla with Google accounts or just the Pokemon ones? | 21:48 |
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| junnuvi | loving btrfs? sound like a serius mental health problem :D :D | 22:08 |
| junnuvi | +s | 22:08 |
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| M-schmittlauch | btrfs is great as long as you use a recent kernel and have > 1 GiB of free space | 22:12 |
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| M4rtinK | and as long as you don't put any important data on it & are very lucky :) | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | then BTRFS is fine :) | 22:17 |
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| silver_hook | eekkelund, r0kk3rz: Works now, thanks :) Logging in via Google still doesn’t but that seems to be the mod’s fault. | 22:44 |
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| M4rtinK | silver_hook: I'm having some issues with GPS | 22:59 |
| M4rtinK | red bar in upper part of the screen & "no GPS signal" | 22:59 |
| M4rtinK | any pointers what to try ? | 22:59 |
| silver_hook | M4rtinK: Installing Google Maps and Google Services (and making sure the GPS is on in the first place) did it for me. | 23:01 |
| M4rtinK | I have both | 23:01 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I have followed this guide: https://together.jolla.com/question/139250/how-to-pokemon-go-with-gps/ | 23:03 |
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| M4rtinK | google play services from here: | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | https://together.jolla.com/question/5771/google-play-services/?answer=51677#post-id-51677 | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | and Google Maps work fine | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | so its weird | 23:05 |
| silver_hook | M4rtinK: Well, there’s also that GPS is just weird in Pokemon Go. | 23:09 |
| silver_hook | In the end I followed – for Jolla Phone (*not* tablet or C): | 23:09 |
| silver_hook | To clean up everything (warning: deletes all you have from Android) http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1406350&postcount=47 | 23:10 |
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| silver_hook | Then set up the GApps etc.: https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play-on-original-jolla-phone-sbj/ | 23:10 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 23:10 |
| M4rtinK | its funny that a location based app is picky about GPS access :) | 23:11 |
| silver_hook | After that I just installed Google Maps and all that it wanted. | 23:11 |
| silver_hook | yea, odd | 23:11 |
| M4rtinK | I've found something about updating google play services | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | lets see if it helps :) | 23:12 |
| silver_hook | that, yes | 23:13 |
| M4rtinK | works now :) | 23:15 |
| silver_hook | \o/ | 23:16 |
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| M4rtinK | I've added it as a comment to the guide, just in case :) | 23:22 |
| M4rtinK | anyway, sleep time :) | 23:22 |
| M4rtinK | there are Pokemons to hunt tomorrow! :D | 23:22 |
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| silver_hook | Same here… | 23:24 |
| silver_hook | Great, thanks! | 23:24 |
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| M-schmittlauch | Which is the current SFOS version for the JollaC? I saw people writing about 2.0.2.45, I'm still on 43 | 23:30 |
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