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| SQUelcher | Jolla is doing everything wrong.. again.. This time they shipped the Jolla C directly from Hong Kong to me, of course they collected vat already, as it has be in the EU.. But as they shipped from outside of the EU, it seems i have to pay the vat again on the whole sum. :/ | 04:07 |
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| pp | with the tablet it was enough to pay once, DHL or whatnot wanted to know my SSN to do the formalities | 04:13 |
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| suosaaski | Why am I not surprised | 04:29 |
| suosaaski | Aaaanyway... I might even want to try to test that Jolla C thing. If someone was to trade theirs for my LG G3 :) | 04:29 |
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| Stskeeps | SQUelcher: TNT? | 04:47 |
| taaem | r0kk3rz: in .de | 04:53 |
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| LarstiQ | SQUelcher: where is the shipping destination? | 06:19 |
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| LarstiQ | taaem: don't know about .fi specifically, but I do know that the couriers have gotten very strict with declared values/VAT/what did the customer pay | 06:22 |
| LarstiQ | taaem: ah, .de sorry | 06:23 |
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| Stskeeps | SQUelcher: contact zendesk | 06:29 |
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| sledges | SQUelcher: is that VAT or customs duty tax? | 06:47 |
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| TMavica | SQUelcher: truely. Dont know why all my fd got it in Hong Kong, but not me, reason I not in first branch | 07:39 |
| TMavica | Why dont just ship all Hong Kong device locally | 07:40 |
| TMavica | Really funny | 07:40 |
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| LarstiQ | TMavica: simply because we haven't yet shipped everything that was in the May 26th batch | 07:42 |
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| kimmoli | TMavica: patience. i know it is not strong in you, but still... :) | 07:48 |
| kimmoli | TMavica: and you have now good time to prepare the sample app | 07:48 |
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| TMavica | kimmoli: yes. I am preparing | 07:58 |
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| TMavica | LarstiQ: Ha? You mean I ordered after HKT 12:00am, so I am in 26? | 08:00 |
| TMavica | I ordered at 26/5, 22:xx HKT, that day is not first day order? There is 25? | 08:03 |
| LarstiQ | TMavica: you are in the first batch of people who ordered, and will be in the next shipment going out | 08:03 |
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| TMavica | The device all in Kwun Tong? or Mini Warehouse that all device is fired? Lol | 08:08 |
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| TMavica | LarstiQ: As now, I am busying have aircraft A350 licence lesson in TKO, from monday to Fri, I dont know when I can come get the device | 08:13 |
| sledges | TMavica: cool! maybe there's an airfield nearby? :) | 08:14 |
| TMavica | sledges: Not pilot...is Engineering Licence | 08:14 |
| sledges | pilots don't do much these days do they though.. :) | 08:15 |
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| TMavica | Lesson period Mon to Fri 8:00 - 1700, Jolla office period 9:00 - 1700, I dont know how I go now | 08:16 |
| TMavica | Last week is most free | 08:17 |
| TMavica | Jolla played me | 08:17 |
| sledges | LarstiQ: yep, there's a prehistory that TMavica wanted to pick the device straight from HK office | 08:17 |
| sledges | TMavica: but have you spoken to anyone about that? | 08:18 |
| TMavica | Leave it, change address is nil help, nobody at home in daytime | 08:20 |
| TMavica | Let JollaHK wait me this time | 08:20 |
| TMavica | sledges: Only HongKongers | 08:21 |
| TMavica | But this is not a secret now | 08:21 |
| LarstiQ | sledges: yeah his device will go to the HK office | 08:21 |
| TMavica | Because nobody know what fuxk is Jolla in HK | 08:21 |
| TMavica | Nobody care | 08:21 |
| sledges | alrighty, TMavica: then just go for a beer with any of our HK sailors after work:) | 08:22 |
| sledges | as you did with us in London ;) | 08:22 |
| TMavica | They played me. Now i cant go | 08:22 |
| TMavica | Last week is most perfect | 08:22 |
| TMavica | I just start my licence lesson | 08:23 |
| sledges | nobody's deliberately playing anyone up | 08:23 |
| TMavica | And then on job trainning something like that | 08:23 |
| TMavica | Only way, I need call sick and go pick the device | 08:24 |
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| TMavica | sledges: I never go hk office except Helsinki and Tempere one, funny | 08:25 |
| sledges | maybe it's top-secret classified :D | 08:25 |
| TMavica | Wait they call and see what I can do | 08:26 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 09:17 |
| lainwir3d | my Jolla C has been sent, I should have it by tomorrow, or wednesday maximum | 09:17 |
| lainwir3d | \o/ | 09:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | mines made it to belgium so far | 09:20 |
| lainwir3d | same here | 09:22 |
| lainwir3d | final destination? | 09:22 |
| lainwir3d | Paris here | 09:22 |
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| Renault | first batch? | 09:23 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 09:23 |
| Renault | I can't wait, but I'm in the second batch, it should happenned soon | 09:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: UK, so not much further | 09:24 |
| lainwir3d | :) | 09:25 |
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| Milo- | I got my massive Jolla C :o | 09:32 |
| lainwir3d | massive? | 09:32 |
| lainwir3d | really? | 09:32 |
| lainwir3d | damn | 09:32 |
| Milo- | for my tiny non-pianistic-girly hands. it's massive. | 09:33 |
| Milo- | I thought the delivery girl gave me an empty cardboard box though. the box was super light. | 09:34 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 09:34 |
| Milo- | "wait wait wait, I think you gave me an empty box..." | 09:35 |
| Milo- | "oh nevermind, it's there." | 09:35 |
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| lainwir3d | haha | 09:36 |
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| lainwir3d | *odd look from delivery girl* | 09:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | i wondered the same thing when my sony tab arrived | 09:39 |
| r0kk3rz | turns out its just really really light | 09:39 |
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| lainwir3d | "delivery in progress" | 09:56 |
| lainwir3d | damn, nobody's at home :-( | 09:56 |
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| loicm_ | Hi there. I've just broken the screen of my Jolla Phone this morning :/ Do you know if I can ask (and pay) for a new screen? | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | you need to contact care I think | 10:07 |
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| loicm_ | Nicd-, yep, that's what I've done ;) | 10:14 |
| pp | I wonder if mobylife still has parts :-) | 10:16 |
| pp | a year ago it took over a month | 10:17 |
| pp | and was only slightly cheaper (105e) than a used one | 10:18 |
| Milo- | wish I could sync my settings and such easily from my other jolla phone :p | 10:20 |
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| loicm_ | pp, mobylife doesn't seem to exist in France, where I live | 10:25 |
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| pp | care would probably help you in getting your phone to them despite them not serving non-finnish customers :-) | 10:35 |
| pp | so 105+shipping two ways if they have parts, noooot cheap | 10:35 |
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| speactra | official statement from intex, legit aqua fish on ebayindia https://twitter.com/IntexBrand/status/754986941683228672 | 10:44 |
| speactra | funny way to launch a product.. | 10:45 |
| mal- | very odd | 10:46 |
| r0kk3rz | they're obviously very proud of it... | 10:46 |
| Nicd- | maybe someone pressed the button on ebay too soon :D | 10:48 |
| pp | 74 euros o.O (+ shipping + taxes) | 10:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | maybe snapdeal bailed | 10:50 |
| Nicd- | depressing explanation: Intex are trying to sell them out on the down low to fulfill contracts because they do not believe in its success anymore | 10:50 |
| Nicd- | like Nokia sold the N9 without any fanfare iirc | 10:51 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i guess time will tell | 10:53 |
| speactra | that's only speculation though. it's india after all, not everything works like in europe.. | 10:53 |
| Milo- | darn. Torch application doesn't work with Jolla C | 10:53 |
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| speactra | jolla c has torch in the notifications menu | 10:54 |
| Milo- | oh | 10:54 |
| Milo- | also what's up with these SIM card and microSD card spots? | 10:55 |
| Milo- | can't access them without removing battery ._. | 10:55 |
| speactra | nah, but the boot up time is pretty fast so.. | 10:56 |
| Milo- | but you actually have to reboot your device to switch microSD cards.. | 10:56 |
| speactra | you can leave the charger plugged in while removing the battery | 10:57 |
| phlixi_o | i remmeber that (iirc) "deutsche bahn" (german railway) kind of as a marketing stunt sold tickets via ebay. it made lots of press for a few days... | 10:57 |
| phlixi_o | they did other similar stuff, like selling tikets via supermarket, iidk, maybe lidl | 10:58 |
| Nicd- | btw did you notice, artemma's flashlight is no longer in the app store. | 10:59 |
| Nicd- | have to use Torch which is not as bright | 10:59 |
| l1pi | https://together.jolla.com/question/138084/under-further-investigation-official-statement-fakestolen-intex-aqua-fish-on-ebay/?sort=votes&page=1 versus https://twitter.com/IntexBrand/status/754986941683228672 :D | 11:01 |
| l1pi | well, that update explain a little bit :) | 11:02 |
| kimmoli | nobody knows for sure what it the situation | 11:02 |
| speactra | l1pi: yea, but the thing is that intex has now responded | 11:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | http://www.intex.in/mobile/smartphone/aqua-fish/ | 11:15 |
| r0kk3rz | SUPER SMART WORLD | 11:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah nice, its got proper dimensions | 11:17 |
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| LarstiQ | nice nemo | 11:18 |
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| lainwir3d | :) | 11:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | heh the FAQ is funny, it seems they copypastad things from android | 11:20 |
| TMavica | very cheap.... | 11:21 |
| TMavica | 650HKD.. | 11:21 |
| TMavica | It ship oversea or not? | 11:21 |
| the_mgt | so it is the device to finally find dori? | 11:22 |
| speactra | I wonder if it's different from jolla c on 4g, Aqua fish: 4G bands 3,5 (FDD) and 40 (TDD) | Jolla C: 4G/LTE: 1/3/7/20 | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | speactra: india bands vs europe | 11:22 |
| lainwir3d | ouch | 11:23 |
| lainwir3d | those are different bands? | 11:23 |
| lainwir3d | pretty much a no go | 11:23 |
| TMavica | JollaC 169 £ , aquafish 5499 RS.... | 11:23 |
| phlixi_o | so its india vs europe declaration for the same bands? Or do they got actually different bands? | 11:24 |
| TMavica | 1 Jolla C can buy 2 Aquafish | 11:24 |
| TMavica | Craxy | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | they have different bands, different physical antenna likely too i guess | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | because of the bands | 11:24 |
| phlixi_o | wow, didnt expected such difference | 11:24 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: so they did us a special run? nice of them | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | a europe phone isn't very useful in india as it has wrong bands | 11:24 |
| TMavica | Gone order 2 more because of battery | 11:25 |
| TMavica | If it ship oversea | 11:25 |
| phlixi_o | in that case i would have had expected a phone thats useles in europe :D | 11:25 |
| phlixi_o | asuming 2g works fine | 11:25 |
| speactra | Stskeeps: ok, so it's different hardware i suppose. i can't find anywhere that jolla c has 4g coverage so i'm suspicious the c spec is not correct | 11:26 |
| LarstiQ | speactra: C has 4g | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | speactra: jolla c has 4g, i use it | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | 1/3/7/20 seems right | 11:28 |
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| TMavica | I can use AquaFish with 4g | 11:28 |
| speactra | odd, my jolla1 picks up 4g but not jolla c | 11:29 |
| speactra | they're supposed to have the same band | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | speactra: sometimes some designs are better than others | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | for signal reception | 11:30 |
| speactra | Stskeeps: ok | 11:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | jolla1 wasnt amazing for reception... | 11:34 |
| TMavica | Anyone can give me the direct link of aquafish | 11:35 |
| lainwir3d | TMavica: http://www.intex.in/mobile/smartphone/aqua-fish/ | 11:35 |
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| TMavica | No i mean ebay, i found 2 item aquafish | 11:38 |
| TMavica | Which is official | 11:38 |
| speactra | TMavica: no one knows | 11:38 |
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| Renault | TMavica: you can't compare Jolla C price with the Intex phone, TAX are different and the Jolla C selled with the "developper/community program", it's not only the phone | 11:39 |
| TMavica | Renault: u are right.. | 11:40 |
| Smar | I hope no-one thinks they are making money with jolla c... :P | 11:40 |
| r0kk3rz | i thought it was stated that they 'sold' it at cost | 11:41 |
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| TMavica | It only ship locally... | 11:43 |
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| taaem | LarstiQ: seems it got through customs | 12:20 |
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| LarstiQ | taaem: any action on your part required? | 12:24 |
| taaem | I had to send them my payment confirmation from PayPal and this http://www.tnt.de/internet/TNT2008/content.nsf/b751a067ceb5cabbc12569890057aa2d/2bb0a8a36cb3eab7c12578d400471030/$FILE/ATTPQB3F.pdf/Import_Zollvollmacht_112015.pdf (its in german sorry) but with that I allow them to do my customs stuff | 12:28 |
| taaem | LarstiQ: ^ | 12:28 |
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| LarstiQ | taaem: ok, good | 12:35 |
| LarstiQ | taaem: since Jolla is paying delivery and duties, TNT is checking that it matches what you paid for it. Can't really blame them for that. | 12:36 |
| Helle | btw, anyone know if there is a way to replace the lock screen ? I normally don't have my phone close to my body, except now in summer | 12:37 |
| Helle | turns out, the touch screen is super sensitive when warm | 12:37 |
| Helle | so I setup a lock screen with a nonsense code on it | 12:37 |
| Helle | but uuuuh | 12:37 |
| Helle | it's pocked dialled the emergency number twice now | 12:37 |
| loicm_ | my Jolla touchscreen doesn't work anymore since this morning (I sent a ticket to the support, waiting). Now I want to try to backup stuff I have on the phone but by plugging the USB wire with my laptop, I realize I can't touch the screen to say "Hey don't charge only, mount the volume" | 12:40 |
| TMavica | When is the next ship day? | 12:40 |
| loicm_ | any idea on how I could sort this out? :) | 12:41 |
| Yaniel | you could try connecting over wifi | 12:42 |
| Yaniel | or in recovery mode | 12:43 |
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| loicm__ | Yaniel,the phone is still running and is connected to my local wifi network | 12:45 |
| Yaniel | if you have SSH enabled on it you should be able to get in | 12:45 |
| loicm__ | is it something I should have enabled on the phone before breaking the touchscreen? ;) | 12:46 |
| Yaniel | yes | 12:46 |
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| loicm_ | erf, so I'm f***ed up :/ | 12:47 |
| loicm_ | didn't know about that | 12:47 |
| Smar | it’s the developer mode so don’t blame yourself :P | 12:48 |
| kimmoli | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-Jolla-Phone-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode- | 12:48 |
| loicm_ | kimmoli, reading it, thanks! | 12:49 |
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| loicm_ | seems like I can access to the Shell in recovery mode :) | 13:14 |
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| coderus | recovery shell | 13:59 |
| coderus | then mount -o subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt | 14:00 |
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| ahjolinna | Japanese Softbank bought ARM with ~29 billion euros http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36822806 | 14:07 |
| loicm_ | coderus, yup, I could backup my photos/videos and other stuff | 14:10 |
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| loicm_ | my contacts are all in the sqlite database but I could export them when needed | 14:10 |
| loicm_ | messages may be losts but that's not really importants | 14:13 |
| loicm_ | now the most important is: when could we buy an official SFOS phone ;) | 14:14 |
| coderus | well, you can try to copy that to emulator :) | 14:14 |
| kimmoli | msgs also in db | 14:14 |
| Renault | loicm_: Intex delivers its phone to Europe? | 14:15 |
| lainwir3d | damn, google decided to call their next android version android? | 14:15 |
| lainwir3d | fu***** bastards | 14:16 |
| Yaniel | what | 14:16 |
| lainwir3d | salifish I mean | 14:16 |
| Renault | source? | 14:16 |
| lainwir3d | sailfish* | 14:16 |
| abranson | it's the codeword for the next htc nexus, isn't it? | 14:16 |
| lainwir3d | or is that a phone? | 14:16 |
| lainwir3d | yeah, sorry, mixing everything up | 14:16 |
| Milo- | speaking of syncing messages. anyone got a better way of syncing messages from original jolla to jolla C than copying files over old phone's filesystem? | 14:17 |
| abranson | still pretty rude | 14:17 |
| lainwir3d | it's the next nexus. It's better, but still bad | 14:17 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 14:17 |
| Smar | I have funny theory that there is some people that likes sailfish at htc | 14:17 |
| Smar | it definitely feels like that looking their new phones :P | 14:17 |
| r0kk3rz | htc could do worse than releasing an sfos phone | 14:17 |
| abranson | maybe they're interested in helping to get sailfish running on sailfish ;) | 14:18 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 14:18 |
| lainwir3d | that would be fun | 14:18 |
| Smar | htc 10 interestingly said that officially it won’t break warranty if you flash another OS to the phone | 14:18 |
| Smar | it’s intriguing :P | 14:18 |
| lainwir3d | but now real sailfish news is getting drowned by this nexus crap | 14:18 |
| abranson | make sure whenever it gets mentioned, you ask if it's running Sailfish OS :) | 14:21 |
| loicm_ | Renault, I don't know but I guess they won't as their market is in India | 14:24 |
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| TMavica | 104 devices sold | 14:35 |
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| M-schmittlauch | link? | 14:49 |
| M-schmittlauch | ah, found it http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_device_codenamed_sailfish_is_said_to_be_the_successor_to_nexus_5x_alleged_specs_revealed-news-19007.php | 14:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | \o/ released by customs! at least i had no issues with them | 15:12 |
| taaem | r0kk3rz: congrats same for me | 15:15 |
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| TMavica | whats aquafish dimension? include the box | 15:27 |
| TMavica | and weight | 15:27 |
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| pimpreneil | Anyone with a good idea on how to get LTE working on the Jolla C? I really hope it is just a minor software issue... https://together.jolla.com/question/137336/bug-lte-with-jolla-c/ | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | pimpreneil: jolla C works with lte for mine at least | 16:59 |
| pimpreneil | or maybe a regression from 2.0.2.43 | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | pimpreneil: what bands are your operator? | 16:59 |
| pimpreneil | I´m at Orange France | 16:59 |
| pimpreneil | 800 and 2600 I guess | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | pimpreneil: 4g sim card is in 1st sim slot? | 17:00 |
| pimpreneil | yup | 17:00 |
| pimpreneil | haven´t tries number two though | 17:00 |
| pimpreneil | tried* | 17:00 |
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| pimpreneil | Stskeeps: Same issue with the second slot fyi | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | pimpreneil: and 'prefer 4g' is in mobile network settings? | 17:04 |
| pimpreneil | yes, it´s the default value | 17:04 |
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| pimpreneil | if you go check my post in together, you´ll see that ofono seems to be OK | 17:04 |
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| pimpreneil | TechnologyPreference: lte | 17:05 |
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| mcfrisk | hmm, tnt asking for custom details for jolla-c from Hong Kong. I hope this does not mean trouble.. | 18:12 |
| Yaniel | it should not | 18:12 |
| Yaniel | anyway AFAIK you need to contact zendesk | 18:12 |
| mcfrisk | I need? | 18:13 |
| mcfrisk | tnt and destination is germany | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: good idea to contact zendesk | 18:14 |
| Yaniel | apparently others had to do the same | 18:15 |
| mcfrisk | ok, will do then. Thanks! | 18:16 |
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| phlixi | [2016-07-18 19:00:18] <Stskeeps> pimpreneil: 4g sim card is in 1st sim slot? <<- does that mean if i want to use 4g data, the sim needs to be in first slot? is there documentation for the dual sim stuff? i probably want to use one sim for data only (2/3/4g) and a second one for calls only... | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | no | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | but you never know what modems make up | 18:33 |
| phlixi | unfortunately my order is still "paid" (while i thought it might be near to impossible, that someone else ordered faster :D ) ....thus is fortunately have some time left to get the SIMs :-) | 18:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | phlixi: the helsinki event blog post has a talk from the chief designer about how they went about the dual sim stuff | 18:46 |
| r0kk3rz | whilst he doesnt go into exactly how it all works, you can see the thought that has gone into it | 18:47 |
| phlixi | thx | 18:47 |
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| kimmoli | phlixi: i need to double check, but you can enable data from one card only, and then make it ask which card you use for calls/text before call is made, or make one sim default for calls/sms | 18:51 |
| phlixi | exactly how i prefer... nice :-) | 18:52 |
| kimmoli | but the check is that if you receive a call on the another sim than the data-active, does your data drop for duration of the call | 18:52 |
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| phlixi | i can live with that, i usually do not do calls | 18:53 |
| phlixi | its more of a emergency thing for people of the last ventury | 18:54 |
| phlixi | century* | 18:54 |
| kimmoli | i have somesort of record on calls, almost 10 minutes this month already http://kimmoli.com/tauhkaa/saunalahtierittely.jpg | 18:55 |
| kimmoli | well, i got a dejavu from the front pics of this http://www.xda-developers.com/sony-xperia-f8831-photographed-sonys-next-flagship-with-a-redesign-finally/ | 18:59 |
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| abranson | Shows how well a usb-c port matches the Jolla design | 19:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | looks nice | 19:16 |
| r0kk3rz | a little bit holy-bezels-batman but otherwise nice | 19:16 |
| Yaniel | The homescreen looks like crap though | 19:16 |
| r0kk3rz | that can be fixed | 19:17 |
| Yaniel | :3 | 19:18 |
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| mcfrisk | hmm, zendesk closed my toll question case for jolla-c shipping to germany without comments or details. I hope they delivered tnt something.. | 19:48 |
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| coderus | mcfrisk: reply to that ticket to reopen | 19:57 |
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| M-schmittlauch | mcfrisk: I forwarded the order confirmation to TNT, let's see if that's enough. At least the tracking status moved to "Customs Clearance In Progress." | 20:18 |
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| phlixi | DHL bugged me when they had my tablet at customs. they acepted a screenshot of the order from shop.jolla.com. they asked sor something where they could see the value | 20:25 |
| phlixi | (germany) | 20:25 |
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| M-schmittlauch | Germany as well. | 20:25 |
| phlixi | of course, home of the bureaucracy | 20:26 |
| M-schmittlauch | I doubt that I get the phone tomorrow, but let's see | 20:27 |
| phlixi | in my case they accepted a jpg via email. since they did not reported back, i just called them, and they confirmed everything is ok | 20:28 |
| phlixi | maybe thats possible at tnt as well | 20:28 |
| M-schmittlauch | I'll do that if custom status hasn't changed till tomorrow evening. | 20:29 |
| M-schmittlauch | I'm not that fond of listening to waiting loop music | 20:29 |
| M-schmittlauch | for the German speaking people here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teuU7Rf9PhQ | 20:30 |
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| HtheB | guys, does anyone know if it's possible to install the Play Store on the Jolla C like we did on the Jolla? | 22:34 |
| HtheB | Using the same files | 22:34 |
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| M-schmittlauch | HtheB: As the Jolla C's aliendalvik provides an Android 4.4 environment while the Jolla 1's aliendalvik provides a 4.1 env, you need to use GApps for Android 4.4. Everything else shall work | 22:54 |
| M-schmittlauch | HtheB: Disclaimer: I never put Play Services onto my Jolla | 22:54 |
| M-schmittlauch | mcfrisk: "July 18, 2016 10:45 PM (Local time) | 22:55 |
| M-schmittlauch | Cologne Airport July 18, 2016 10:45 PM | 22:55 |
| M-schmittlauch | Released By Customs" | 22:55 |
| phlixi | :-) | 22:55 |
| M-schmittlauch | mcfrisk: looks like the order confirmation was enough | 22:55 |
| phlixi | same story as with tablet and dhl in dresden then... | 22:56 |
| M-schmittlauch | phlixi (IRC): | 22:57 |
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| phlixi | ah, sorry, leipzip, not dresden :D | 23:07 |
| phlixi | leipzig | 23:07 |
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| HtheB | M-schmittlauch: Hmmmm | 23:26 |
| HtheB | I've replaced the apps | 23:26 |
| HtheB | but somehow, now when I install any android app, it does not show in the app list anymore.. lol | 23:26 |
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