#jollamobile log for Thursday, 2016-05-12

tux|dudeSo is this channel usually pretty silent?00:00
phlixiits 2am in europe00:02
phlixiand...00:02
phlixihi :-)00:02
tux|dudeOh right lol.00:04
tux|dudeAlso hi00:04
tux|dudeYeah lol it's like.... just gone past noon in New Zealand lol00:04
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tux|dudeMan I really hope sailfish catches on more some day00:47
Yanieloh hi tux|dude00:48
tux|dudeOh hey00:48
tux|dudelong time no see00:49
Yanielirc is a small place00:49
tux|dudeYou don't say haha00:49
tux|dudeSo you use sailfish yourself?00:49
Yanielfor about 3 years now00:50
tux|dudeOh wow00:50
tux|dudeI only just flashed a port of it to my moto g 2014 yesterday haha00:50
Yanielwow.. has it really been that long already?00:50
tux|dudeBut yeah, I really like it00:50
Yanielit looks like my next phone won't be running sailfish though00:51
tux|dudeWhich phone you looking at next?00:52
Yanieliphone se seems to be closest to what I want00:53
tux|dudeOh christ iphones ew00:54
tux|dudeI never liked iphones tbh00:54
Yanielall things considered they are quite nice to use00:55
Yanieland I want something that *really* works over the next two years00:56
tux|dudeUnderstandable00:57
tux|dudeAlthough knowing apple that might be a bit of a big ask tbh lol00:57
Yanielwell my mbp is the longest-running piece of technology I have ever owned00:58
Yanielthis fall it's old enough to go to school00:58
phlixiin the second they sell me their server that i can run my private icloud i am sold as well :-)00:58
tux|dudeI see...00:59
tux|dudeI mean personally I was never the biggest apple fan00:59
tux|dudeI always like having a decent amount of control over my device so I'm allowed to make tweaks and all taht00:59
tux|dude*that00:59
Yanielyup, same here01:00
YanielI'm pretty sure the lack of a proper terminal and filesystem is going to annoy me sooner than later01:00
Yanielamong other things01:00
tux|dudeYeah01:01
tux|dudeI mean I came in from android and having access to a terminal all of a sudden was just01:01
tux|dudeWow01:01
tux|dudeKinda surprised me01:01
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tux|dudeAlthough it also began to annoy me when I figured out that the command for superuser wasn't sudo like I expected lol01:02
Yanielthe fact that android doesn't have a legit terminal is just sad01:02
kjetilhowhat's wrong with Irssi Connectbot?01:02
Yanielit's just an ssh client01:02
Yanielthat doesn't even handle mosh01:03
Yaniel(that is far from the only sad thing about android but whatever)01:03
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kjetilhoyou can connect to localhost, it works fine01:19
kjetilhoFingerterm doesn't implement mosh either01:20
tux|dudeBut yeah, android is nice but rooting is a necessity because even though it is more open than ios you still can't do all the useful tweaks without rooting which sucks01:21
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tux|dudeback02:25
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sdfri don't think fingerterm implements either ssh, but openssh is already on the device as mosh has to be installed from openrepos or compiled05:43
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tbror from OBS05:54
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arvuthello, I cannot update to 20.0.1.11, I get to the start optimizing button and when clicked, it seems to run "something", but then its back and clickable again, should I reset my phone? i cannot reinstall dev-mode either..09:44
arvuts/20/2/09:45
arvutgood morning also, or g'day as it is in finland I suppose09:45
arvutalso, is there a guide to using SSU?09:45
arvutI'd like to start tinkering with my jolla now, got nothing to tinker with in gentoo atm09:46
r0kk3rzarvut: probably means you're running low on internal space09:46
arvutr0kk3rz: ahh yes, that is an issue actually09:48
arvutI am on 13.2 of 13.7 xD09:48
arvutwhy doesn't the updater mention this?09:48
arvutsystem does, though09:49
r0kk3rzit really should, but remove some stuff, try optimise again, and you should be right09:49
arvutk, think it might fix my developermode issues? or are they unrelated? if you know of a fix I'm all ears09:51
arvutI got shellex installed09:51
r0kk3rzarvut: it should fix developermode as well09:52
arvutand my n900 is whining over low battery.. with borg-sounds  nontheless09:52
arvutthe stress!09:52
arvutr0kk3rz: do you know what caused the issue in the first place? I had it installed, disabled it, changed jolla account (device used to belong to my sister, so it had her account logged in), then couldn't re-enable dev-mode with my account, which I had used to enable it on my old jolla09:56
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arvutr0kk3rz: also, how does ip over usb work? It was mentioned some days ago, can it be used to ssh into device without devmode enabled?09:58
r0kk3rzarvut: likely trying to install packages from repos and hitting space issues09:59
r0kk3rzarvut: not sure if you can use rndis without dev mode10:00
arvutI didn't have spaceissues two days ago10:00
arvutunless >2G is a space issue10:00
r0kk3rzarvut: btrfs can do that10:00
arvutoh10:00
arvutthis filesystem again, is it good?10:01
arvutwe had heated discussion about it in #gentoo-chat the other day10:01
arvutsomeone said it was uncomparable to ext410:01
arvuthave you done any testing on f2fs\10:01
arvuts/\/?/10:01
arvutI did the mistake at formatting my new ssd with it, it is obviously meant for memorycards of NAND flash type, not ssd's10:02
r0kk3rznot personally10:02
r0kk3rzas for btrfs, it could be good, but the old version on jolla phone has well known issues10:03
arvutso three whole worldtree compilations (3x1231 pkgs) in two days time, cpu has been running nonstop10:03
arvutoh10:03
Teguarvut: I had exactly the same issue yesterday. had to delete some stuff10:03
arvutTegu: the devmode stuff?10:03
arvutcool10:03
arvutI'm not the only one!!!!10:03
Teguarvut: I meant the updating filesystem optimization10:03
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arvutoh10:03
arvutwell that too then10:04
arvutdevmode might be resolved soon for my part, I will update ya'll10:04
TeguI had a bit over 10 GB / 14.x GB. had to bring that down to a bit over 9 GB / 14.x GB before the optimization succeeded and I could install the update10:05
Teguso, btrfs \o/10:06
arvutdoes chown do recursive changes by default?10:06
Dotti_no10:06
arvutTegu: I will move lots of media from device, all of it actually10:07
Teguthat should help10:07
arvutDotti_: what flag then?10:07
arvut-r?10:07
Dotti_yeah10:07
Tegu-R10:07
Dotti_or -R10:07
arvutRight you are10:07
arvut-R it is, -r is undefined10:08
arvutsince move from ext4 -> f2fs -> ext4, I've had the most annoying filesystem permission issues, on my gentoo desktop10:08
arvutI unpacked with -p flag though10:08
arvutbut permissions across filesystems did not work10:09
arvuthard to move anything from jolla to desktop when permission denied is on every target10:09
arvutxD10:09
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Teguhm, I updated to 2.0.1.11 last night but the event view still shows the notification. of course, it cannot be removed either like normal notifications10:21
Teguokay, it disappeared now that I opened the store10:22
Teguor checked for updates.. I did both so actually I'm not sure. whatever10:23
SfietKonstantinWTegu: yes this happens10:23
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SfietKonstantinWcheck update again to make it dissapear10:23
YahnHello everyone.10:23
SfietKonstantinWhi Yahn10:24
Teguye. and I think that just opening the store checks for updates at some point as well10:24
YahnI'm looking for the Jolla recovery images. Does anyone have a working link?10:24
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trigpointSince the last update, taalojari, I am seeing apps regularly restart. Is this a common problem?11:13
noumenot that i'd know of11:13
trigpointkeeps doing it for me, for example media restarts when its in the background11:15
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SfietKonstantinWtrigpoint: out of memory ?11:23
trigpointCould be, but no more than normal running11:32
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arvutwhat specific synthax is optimal when umounting a mtpfs drive like jolla;15:39
arvuts/;/?/15:40
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kjetilhoarvut: just sshfs instead15:46
kjetilhomtpfs is really unstable IME15:46
* tbr rarely has problems with the mtpfs of the jolla15:47
tbrbut yeah sshfs, samba, nfs, etc work just fine too15:47
kjetilhotbr: it's probably on the Linux side, not Jolla15:48
* tbr runs a debian/jessie and before that wheezy15:48
kjetilhothat is GNOME15:48
tbryes, the gnome/nautilus implementation is rather good15:48
kjetilhoI mean I've been trying GNOME / Nautilus / whatever the MTP component is called15:48
kjetilhohaha15:48
kjetilhook.15:49
kjetilhobut I think rsync/sshfs is much faster anyway15:49
tbrsure, you can switch to developer mode and do that over usb15:49
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cehtehanyone of you know a way how to figure out if a sshfs connection is stalled/disconnected?15:54
cehteh(w/o blocking)15:54
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bafferI managed to get to the telnet console, but resetting device to factory state hangs at 'Mounting /dev/mmcblk0p28 on /mnt'16:18
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bafferI followed this guide https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607#32 and got past the mounting error16:45
baffernow I get this: http://pastebin.com/fjK5WAfD16:45
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arvut80 to go16:49
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bafferI wonder if this problem occurred because I might have been was out of memory16:54
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arvutis qt at the end of kde or before?17:03
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bafferbtrfs --check repair throws 'Couldn't open file system'... hmm17:15
arvutbaffer: neat17:16
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sebsebsebhi17:22
sebsebsebhas anyone got a Jolla refund yet?17:22
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baffer# df -h /mnt17:31
bafferFilesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on17:31
baffer/dev/mmcblk0p28          13.7G     11.6G      1.7G  87% /mnt17:31
Yanielyes17:31
sebsebsebYaniel: you got re funded?17:31
Yanielyup17:31
sebsebsebYaniel: hmm when?17:31
Yanielwell, the 1st half of it17:31
sebsebsebYaniel: I filled in the form pretty much straight away, went on it agan a few times even etc,  but no money!17:32
Yanieluhh a week ago or so17:32
sebsebsebYaniel: I think it said some would not get untill  this month, but it's 12th May now so hmm17:32
YanielIIRC they said somewhere they're processing them during this month17:32
sebsebsebYaniel: so only some have got re refunded the 1st half not the rest?17:33
Yanielthat's what they said the plan was to begin with17:33
sebsebsebYaniel: yeah, but I haven't got any money yet!17:33
Yanielkeep waiting, I suspect they are doing the whole thing manually17:34
sledgesPSA: https://together.jolla.com/question/134472/sailfish-os-translation-service-is-up-and-running/17:34
sebsebsebsledges: I want that Jolla money!17:34
sebsebsebYaniel: getting re funds is nice, I just got re funded for something else17:34
sebsebsebYaniel: but pretty much spent all that money already17:35
bafferwhat is safe to delete in /dev/mmcblk0p28 ?17:35
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sebsebsebYaniel: I hope it's soon for me hmm17:36
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sledgessebsebseb: hello neighbour! :D long time! sorry to hear you haven't gotten your refund yet17:36
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sebsebsebsledges: yeah I am going to have to track you down and get it from you personally if not soon, since you work for Jolla he h h eh17:37
sledgessebsebseb: lol, maybe during the next LUG? :D17:37
sebsebsebactually I want to crowd fund something else with that money I guess, hmm17:38
sebsebsebaltough I am a bit on the fence for that one ,but I Guess I'll do it17:38
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sebsebsebsledges: yeah you coming this month?17:38
sebsebsebsledges: you didn't go that other month I think and me either17:38
sledgessebsebseb: busy busy as you can see ^-^17:39
sebsebsebsledges: with what/? porting to one plus one etc?17:39
sebsebsebSalifish OS17:39
sledgessebsebseb: with what i just posted above ;)17:39
sledgesand yes, porting too, new sailfish devices17:39
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sebsebsebsledges: translation thing17:40
sledgesyes17:40
sebsebsebok to translations, but that's a side thing17:40
sebsebsebI did read about some Indiain Jolla phone17:40
sledgesthat amongst others;)17:41
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sebsebsebsledges: well Saturday 28th is the next one17:41
sledgessebsebseb: will check my free busy:))17:41
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sledgesyou've been alright otherwise?17:41
sebsebsebyour free busy?17:41
sledgesyes, how free/busy i will be17:41
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sebsebsebsledges: in a way should be in Bristol right now, since my other group,  and was down for a good role to, but was feeling a bit unwell or something so, nope not gone17:42
sledgessebsebseb: yep, some bug is around, need to debug that:))17:43
sebsebsebsledges: I tink it's something else in my case though since get stuff like what had at times stomache thing17:43
sebsebsebnot to bad17:43
sebsebsebbut I thought not going tonight anwyay17:43
sledgescall it a stomach bug then:))17:44
sledgesget well soon!17:44
sebsebsebsledges: I thinik many people havev lost faith in Jolla17:45
sebsebsebafter the tablet issue17:45
sledgessebsebseb: unsurprisingly, but that's real life, full of challenges, and we're not giving up!17:45
sledgesjust shows that nothing was intentional from our part17:45
sebsebsebsledges: but I hope  I have that re fund  the first lot soon :d17:45
sebsebsebsledges: you have an actsaul Jolla tablet though?17:46
sledgessebsebseb: has anyone/most got the first refund yet?17:46
sledgessebsebseb: i have early prototype17:46
sebsebsebsounds ike Yaniel got something, but I have nothing so far17:46
sledgeslet's give it few more weeks, then you can track me down personally :DDD17:47
sebsebsebsledges: you can probably sell teh protype on Ebay to for about three times as much as the other one :D17:47
sledgesi'll ping the responsible sailors aroudn17:47
sledgessebsebseb: probably, i'm not money-oriented:))17:47
sebsebsebsledges: yeah17:48
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sledgesi'm using that tablet to test features/releases. still need to test the new libhybris on it, where a porter found a nice bug and fixed :)17:54
sledgesdidn't have the time... until now!:)17:54
sebsebsebsledges: oh ok17:56
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bafferseems like the root is full of android data... is it possible to set tell sailfish to install all android data on an sd?18:10
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noumeHai!18:26
sebsebseb noume HAI18:27
noumeEverything alright?18:27
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phlixibaffer: there isnt a button or checkbox for that, but a thread if you are interested: https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/18:49
phlixi...which goes into that direction18:50
louisdkI'm looking for a case for my Jolla Tablet.18:50
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sebsebseblouisdk: oh one of the lucky ones, who actually got it? what's it like?18:55
phlixithe lastu case smelled pretty awfull18:58
sebsebsebphlixi: oh?18:58
phlixii assume asume its the adhesive18:59
louisdksebsebseb, actually I brought it from a friend who just wanted to get rid of this tablet "based on a dead platform". Sailfish on modern hardware really rocks.19:01
louisdkphlixi, I've read it's not that high qual.19:01
phlixii have alastu case for the phone (wooden back and leather flip with space for 2 or 3 cards) which is pretty good19:02
phlixibut the one for the tablet i think is not wroth 50$19:02
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sebsebsebphlixi: your friend did osmething werid to it, and made it smell bad!19:03
sebsebseboh for louisdk even19:03
phlixii got it originally sealed, and remember someother cheap thing i ordered a few years back (some "case" for a harddrive) which also smelled like that19:05
phlixihardcore chemistry stuff, i dont know, smells really bad19:05
louisdkphlixi, what does it smell like.19:05
phlixiand super intensive19:05
sebsebsebphlixi: ok well  I remember a rather   smokey smelling parcel from the FSFE uh!19:05
phlixipretty sure its the adhesive19:06
sebsebsebphlixi:  so a t-shirt in plastic ended up smelling of smoke to19:06
sebsebsebphlixi: Yay German smoke in the mail?!19:06
sebsebseb!19:06
sebsebsebphlixi: never bothered to actasuly get round and contact back and complain about that though19:06
louisdkAnyone successfully conected a bluetooth keyboard to their Jolla Tablet.19:08
phlixinever tried19:08
phlixi(and dont have one to test, sorry)19:08
louisdkphlixi, I tried an ipad bt cover last weekend which failed to connect. I tried one on my Jolla Phone which failed too.19:10
sebsebsebUbuntu19:11
sebsebsebtablet on the other hand19:11
sebsebsebuhmm19:11
sebsebsebyeah!19:11
sebsebsebthe two blue tooth keyboards I bought worked no problem19:11
sebsebseba mouse I bought a cheap one didn't work though19:12
phlixii read something really bad about the bq ubuntu tablet19:12
sebsebsebthen get convergence on that19:12
sebsebsebphlixi: what was that?19:12
phlixiwell, i woulndt be surprised if i read something like that e.g. on the verge, which do not value privacy etc.. but golem usually values that (and they write quite positive e.g. about sailfish)19:13
sebsebsebphlixi: you said you read something raelly bad about it though, so what was it?19:13
phlixibut they excoriated it19:13
sebsebsebit's a bit slow responding to typing on bluetooh keyboards it seems19:14
sebsebseb,but I got the cheaper of the two, but I think other would be like that to19:14
sebsebsebotherwise it's  ok19:14
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phlixihttp://www.golem.de/news/aquaris-m10-ubuntu-edition-im-hands-on-bqs-tablet-bietet-eine-magere-convergence-1602-119311.html19:15
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sebsebsebphlixi: that's in German19:16
sebsebsebI sort of read German I gues19:17
sebsebseb,but not so well19:17
phlixii will not translate it for you, sory i read it in german :D19:17
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sebsebsebyeah there's translate google19:17
phlixiwell, in short, they say its pretty bad19:17
sebsebseband stuff like that19:17
sebsebsebI'll use that I guess19:17
cvplink ?19:17
sebsebsebphlixi: how do they say it's bad19:18
phlixiwell, as i  said, i will not translate it for you :-)19:18
sebsebsebthe convergence is only the beinignign19:18
sebsebsebgo to do some hacking to get other programs on there19:18
sebsebsebcurrently19:18
sebsebsebalso  convergence programs only work with pshy8icall keyboards at the moment19:19
sebsebsebthe OS is ok, but then there's a lack of good apps in the app store yep19:19
sebsebsebmost of them are rubbish, a lot are web apps to19:19
cvpubuntu?19:20
phlixioh, i just realisze i put the wrong link19:21
phlixithats the one i meant: http://www.golem.de/news/aquaris-m10-ubuntu-edition-im-test-ubuntu-versaut-noch-jedes-tablet-1605-120781.html19:21
sledgeslouisdk: motorola bluetooth keyboard works fine here (tablet and phone)19:21
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cvpphlixi: lol... in all things...a Bu**sh** device ^^19:26
sebsebsebcvp: uh what do you mean?19:28
* sebsebseb at leat has Ubuntu tablet, can buy another to, as for Jolla nope19:28
cvpyes thats true19:29
cvpbut sw, app, all stuff working shitt y on ubuntu :) than is better to buy nothing :D19:29
cvpor spend me the money :P19:30
cvpsebsebseb: do you have a ubuntu tablet? if yes witch one?19:33
sebsebsebcvp: the cheaper one actsaully.  so the HD, I will get the FHD at at a much later date to, but there isn't really that much difference between the two19:34
sebsebsebcvp: I have three Ubuntu touch devices19:35
sebsebsebdebatably they could do with a Android compataiblty layour like Jolla or well in the future19:35
sebsebsebAndroid app19:35
sebsebsebbut on theo ther hand 20 years or so worth of Desktop Linux programs19:35
sebsebsebshould  work quite nicely on Ubuntu Touch in the future, when convergence is more properly sorted out :d19:36
cvpi saw ubuntu smartphone on c-base in berlin, one year ago. and my first feeling was, wow cool, a ubuntu phone. But few minits later... what a crap :D i hope it will be better in the future.... i wish it really.19:40
phlixii have read a few times that ubuntu phone makes big steps19:41
phlixibut never had the chance to try one iRL19:42
phlixithat made me wonder that the golem review is THAT bad...19:42
cvpok.. than i hope the guy brings the phone next month to c base. want see whats new is comming in this one yeah19:43
phlixi(i would not be suprised if e.g. the verge would made such a review and said its crap, as those kind of magazines usually do not value openes, tinkerability etc etc)19:43
cvpjap19:44
phlixi...which golem regularly do e.g. when reporting jolla stuff etc19:44
louisdkI remember Canonical stated they wanted to encourage devs to write native apps rather than supporting Android apps.19:45
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cvpis there any news about release from SFOS 2.0.2?19:46
oozboozI don't understand recent trend of massaging OS to run all platforms: Desktop, Pad and Phones ... there is absolutely no value to me have identical OSs on every device...19:48
oozboozuniform data exchange and connectivity - sure...19:48
oozboozI think MS Windows was barking on wrong tree when came up with Metro UI and consumers rejected it19:49
cvpmight want to build a competitive to apple.19:49
oozboozThere is no value in... "build ones - run anywhere" when it comes to OS...19:51
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IngvixI wish I could use my jolla as a usb keyboard20:18
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IngvixNo app for such job seems to be available right now20:19
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bafferI dd'd a fresh image I got from here: http://www.htheb.com/list/index.php?dir=jolla%2Ffactoryimage%2F but even that didn't help21:30
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bafferhttps://coderus.openrepos.net/jollarecovery/ wtf is going on here21:37
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phlixilol21:45
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Yanielsome nice ascii art it seems21:47
phlixifan fiction?21:47
phlixior not, its more a "like story" than a "love story"21:48
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phlixibaffer: maybe coderus does not want to upload the image on openrepos, but if you ask him for a download i am sure he will give yo a link (or just google the logs of this channel, it had been posted a few times21:49
tux|dudeHeyo21:49
phlixign8^^21:49
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bafferphlixi: yeah, makes sense21:53
phlixiin fact thats what is written on the site you linked :-)21:53
phlixiif you remove the redundancy21:54
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bafferhaha21:56
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tux|dudeHi23:26
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Yanielhii again23:27
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