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| chem|st | does anyone know if the xiaomi yi works with Jolla1 or Tablet? | 10:48 |
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| Hartzi | chem|st: what's that? | 10:48 |
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| cehteh | chem|st: over wlan or usb? | 10:50 |
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| cehteh | anyway i dont know | 10:51 |
| chem|st | Hartzi: actionCam | 10:58 |
| chem|st | cehteh: wlan BT whatever | 10:58 |
| chem|st | cehteh: I do have access to a samsung tablet though but I rather have it exiled at my sister's than use it again | 10:59 |
| chem|st | don't find anything if it is adhoc network or not | 11:00 |
| cehteh | some time ago i was thinking about replacing my mobius with a yi, and 3 axis gimbal, never did and yi isnt that big of an upgrade over a mobius | 11:01 |
| Hartzi | chem|st: ok | 11:02 |
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| chem|st | cehteh: yeah I am thnking of waiting for the next model, and I got no mobius but a 720p cam, fair enough for the usual shots | 11:21 |
| cehteh | mobius isnt that gerat at 1080p | 11:22 |
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| chem|st | well xiaomi yi is somewhere between GP3 and GP4 iirc, just no 4k yet | 11:41 |
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| Lieke | oh hey, new sailfish version | 12:04 |
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| kimmoli | https://together.jolla.com/question/126892/release-notes-201taalojarvi-early-access/ | 12:10 |
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| jcelerier | hello :) just received update 2.0.1.11 but cannot find a changelog anywhere :( | 12:35 |
| jcelerier | is this just some minor bugfix release ? | 12:36 |
| pp_ | repodiff ftw. :P | 12:37 |
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| chem|st | jcelerier: anything not i++ on the second minor is bugfixes | 12:40 |
| kimmoli | https://together.jolla.com/question/126892/release-notes-201taalojarvi-early-access/#126892-changelog | 12:40 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: :D | 12:41 |
| kimmoli | short: 2016-04-28: 2.0.1.11 Early access update to address critical incoming call issue and to provide latest security updates | 12:41 |
| jcelerier | okay, thanks ! | 12:42 |
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| TMavica | 140MB.. | 12:46 |
| TMavica | so large? | 12:47 |
| chem|st | TMavica: glibc? | 12:47 |
| TMavica | oc | 12:50 |
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| * Yaniel downloads | 12:58 | |
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| till | update done :) | 13:10 |
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| cehteh | where are the backups stored? | 13:31 |
| Yaniel | /home/nemo/.vault | 13:32 |
| Yaniel | and you can copy them to the sdcard as a .tar.gz | 13:32 |
| pdanek | !seen TMavica | 13:33 |
| merbot | pdanek: TMavica was last seen in #jollamobile 42 minutes and 59 seconds ago: <TMavica> oc | 13:33 |
| pdanek | TMavica: Hey | 13:33 |
| pdanek | TMavica: Will you finally find time for me please? | 13:33 |
| TMavica | tomorrow | 13:34 |
| cehteh | Yaniel: didnt worked for me | 13:39 |
| cehteh | probably because sd-card is root:root and i have /nemo and /android there | 13:40 |
| cehteh | but i just started a backup to my server, thats better than sd card | 13:40 |
| cehteh | (server doing daily backups anyway) | 13:41 |
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| mornfall | it's kinda funny how the system now says 'goodbye!' when you hit 'install' on an update | 14:14 |
| Yaniel | "GL HF" | 14:16 |
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| cehteh | oops | 14:18 |
| cehteh | .. did the update, settings->gestures doesnt work anymore, 3 finger volume is also broken, jolla phone | 14:19 |
| chem|st | cehteh: 3finger volume is tablet only ;) | 14:19 |
| cehteh | it worked fine on the phone | 14:20 |
| cehteh | i liked it | 14:20 |
| chem|st | cehteh: did you enable it with mce-tools maybe? | 14:20 |
| the_mgt | wut update?! | 14:20 |
| cehteh | patchmanager yes | 14:20 |
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| chem|st | the_mgt: gogogo | 14:20 |
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| cehteh | well that settings->gestures is broken is prolly more a problem | 14:21 |
| * the_mgt fumbles | 14:21 | |
| chem|st | cehteh: anything non-stock needs to be reapplied and also might need an update | 14:21 |
| cehteh | yes i know | 14:21 |
| cehteh | just reporting, maybe someone here knows how to fix it | 14:21 |
| chem|st | restart lipstick after applying that setting | 14:21 |
| cehteh | rebooted | 14:21 |
| chem|st | hmm | 14:21 |
| chem|st | cehteh: what do you see in settings gestures? | 14:22 |
| cehteh | nothing | 14:22 |
| cehteh | i cant select it | 14:22 |
| chem|st | empty or grey | 14:22 |
| cehteh | its there, not greyed | 14:22 |
| chem|st | we had stuck settings in the past | 14:23 |
| cehteh | but when i click, nohting happens | 14:23 |
| kimmoli | journal while pressing ? | 14:25 |
| cehteh | how to dump that? | 14:26 |
| kimmoli | so the gestures -page does not open? | 14:26 |
| cehteh | yes | 14:26 |
| kimmoli | terminal? | 14:26 |
| kimmoli | ssh? | 14:26 |
| cehteh | ssh as root now, but i am systemd noob | 14:27 |
| kimmoli | journalctl -fa | 14:27 |
| kimmoli | then start settings, and it should say why it cant open that page | 14:27 |
| cehteh | Apr 28 16:27:40 Jolla invoker[1195]: WARNING: An inactive plugin is misbehaving - tried to show a window! | 14:28 |
| cehteh | Apr 28 16:27:40 Jolla invoker[1195]: WARNING: requestActivate() called for QQuickView(0xf5dbc8) which has Qt::WindowDoesNotAcceptFocus set. | 14:28 |
| cehteh | Apr 28 16:27:42 Jolla estart[4398]: [W] unknown:439 - file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/PageStack.js:439: Error: Error while loading page: file:///usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/gestures/gestures.qml:120 id is not unique | 14:28 |
| kimmoli | gestures.qml:120 id is not unique | 14:28 |
| kimmoli | there is your proble | 14:28 |
| cehteh | whatever that means | 14:28 |
| kimmoli | some id: blaa is defined in two places | 14:28 |
| kimmoli | maybe your patch is applied twice? or new code uses same id as the patch? | 14:29 |
| cehteh | ah yes | 14:29 |
| cehteh | found it remove it | 14:30 |
| cehteh | how to restart lipstick? or whatever needs to restarted? | 14:30 |
| cehteh | .. fixe | 14:31 |
| cehteh | d | 14:31 |
| cehteh | thanks | 14:31 |
| kimmoli | as nemo; systemctl --user restart lipstick | 14:31 |
| cehteh | now only the 3 finger volume remains .. that complains about a unmet dependency, i guess i wait some days | 14:31 |
| cehteh | why doesnt jolla allow that on the phone? imo its very useful | 14:32 |
| kimmoli | maybe the gesture guy has big fingers? can fit 3 only on tablet ? :P | 14:32 |
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| cehteh | with swipe-to-lock, doubletap and 3 finger volume you never ever need the buttons for normal usage | 14:32 |
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| cehteh | and *that* is really cool | 14:33 |
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| chem|st | true | 14:36 |
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| chem|st | cehteh: https://together.jolla.com/question/133593/feature-request-release-3-finger-volume-swipe-to-jolla1/ | 14:40 |
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| cehteh | +1 :D | 14:40 |
| chem|st | just for you lazy | 14:41 |
| kjetilho | btw, anyone know of a photo app which allows me to press a volume button to snap the picture? | 14:41 |
| chem|st | kjetilho: the core app does | 14:41 |
| kjetilho | hmmm... | 14:41 |
| chem|st | lol | 14:41 |
| kimmoli | does not work as video rec though | 14:42 |
| cehteh | swipe to lock isnt available by default either? | 14:42 |
| kjetilho | that's strange, it seemed unresponsive last I tried it. well, thanks for the quick fix :) | 14:42 |
| chem|st | cehteh: swipe to lock isn't the default action for a while now | 14:44 |
| chem|st | but in settings | 14:44 |
| cehteh | ah ok | 14:44 |
| cehteh | i know it got removed, but cant remmeber if i patched it back | 14:44 |
| chem|st | cehteh: thanks to kimmoli https://together.jolla.com/question/114161/enable-three-finger-volume-gesture-for-phone/ | 14:45 |
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| chem|st | why do people close such general requests with openrepos as answer... $user does not use other stuff than Jolla-Store provides (and I stopped using openrepos a while ago - too much hassle) | 14:48 |
| chem|st | cehteh: no need to patch it, it is in the settings now | 14:48 |
| cehteh | i just answered your feature request | 14:48 |
| kimmoli | chem|st: seems it was his own question and answer and patch.. | 14:50 |
| chem|st | yeah I reopened it as patches are no solution to a general request, even if it was his own request - not serving togetherness | 14:51 |
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| cehteh | i hope jolla doesnt fall into the gnome fail .. knowing whats better for the users, but not listening to them | 14:52 |
| Aard | cehteh: I've been comparing jollas design work to gnome fail for at least two years now :) | 14:53 |
| cehteh | anyway i wait for a working patch to reappear or a stable release, if its then not supported i fix it by myself | 14:54 |
| kjetilho | yeah well, I think the Phone and SMS applications are awful examples of the "GNOME fail". impossible to know which phone number you are dialling | 14:54 |
| kjetilho | impossible to know when the received SMS was sent. | 14:54 |
| cehteh | Aard: its not that bad | 14:54 |
| chem|st | Aard: and who listens to you? | 14:54 |
| chem|st | :P | 14:54 |
| cehteh | i mean gnome not only made gnome virtually unuseable | 14:54 |
| Aard | cehteh: several parts (and especially the homescreen rewrite) are a bad case of "we know better what's good for the user, and even hidden settings are not required" | 14:54 |
| cehteh | but they dragged everything using gtk+ into the hole with them | 14:55 |
| kjetilho | hiding info by default is fine, as long as there is a way to access it. | 14:55 |
| cehteh | firefox scrollbars, evince menus ... | 14:55 |
| Aard | chem|st: I haven't been jolla employee for a few months now | 14:55 |
| Aard | and I dropped responsibility for releases already last summer | 14:55 |
| chem|st | I know, but you have been while the screwed over the UI | 14:55 |
| cehteh | jolla has still a great usability feel and one can use it, but some more config options for the user would be nice | 14:55 |
| chem|st | +y | 14:55 |
| cehteh | its *much* better than gnome | 14:56 |
| Aard | chem|st: nope, the one with the UI rewrite was the first release I didn't do, was a combination of protesting the tablet fuckup, and the ui rewrite | 14:56 |
| * kjetilho likes the new UI much better :) | 14:57 | |
| Aard | I'm still running 1.1.7, I can't stand the new homescreen. there are some elements in the ui which are nice, but the new homescreen sucks | 14:57 |
| chem|st | twice they shoved "necessary for partnerscreen" up our a* and apart of one back-cover nothing uses it... | 14:57 |
| chem|st | Aard: I know that, you know that, others don't | 14:57 |
| chem|st | Aard: I want the N9 homescreen where I can choose between two tilesizes no matter if it is 5 open or 4... | 14:58 |
| chem|st | and gestures! | 14:58 |
| Aard | it'd have been trivial to do settings (even hidden settings, which need to be triggered by cli) to allow different layouts and configurable gestures | 15:00 |
| Aard | the new gestures are quite ok for tablet, but don't work so well on the phone | 15:01 |
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| chem|st | Aard: especially the buttons on covers... I stopped using cover-actions at all | 15:14 |
| Aard | I'm still using cover actions ;) | 15:14 |
| chem|st | yes you do... gmrl | 15:15 |
| nodevel | I'm still using them time to time, but nowhere close to the user experience of UI 1.x cover gestures. also many more accidental triggers | 15:15 |
| nodevel | *it's nowhere close | 15:16 |
| Aard | chem|st: before I left jolla I was working on home screen switching, that'd have allowed installing both old and new home screen (was for something else, but that'd have been a side effect). never finished it, though | 15:17 |
| Aard | currently wondering if I should continue with that, in case I even want to update | 15:17 |
| chem|st | maybe I should grep my N900, at least I have working everything there... apart of FB-plugin but who needs that (fb blocking us from updating the plugin and blocking accounts for the same matter) | 15:20 |
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| Aard | I stopped using FB after we had to drop the events feed integration of facebook (before public release of the phone) | 15:21 |
| nodevel | Aard: re homescreen switching: sorry to intervene on a conversation, but speaking for myself, that would be amazing if possible. would be an effort worth contributing to, if the code was available | 15:22 |
| SfietKonstantinW | chem|st: I do like the button for covers | 15:24 |
| SfietKonstantinW | chem|st: especially for twitter clients | 15:24 |
| chem|st | ? | 15:24 |
| Aard | SfietKonstantinW: I don't really use twitter after we had to castrate the events feed anymore as well :p | 15:24 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Aard: yeah I know | 15:25 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I'm still dreaming of better events view integration | 15:25 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (and trying to hack something) | 15:25 |
| chem|st | sfos2.0UI feels very much a regression | 15:25 |
| SfietKonstantinW | but atm, I'm happy with my twitter client | 15:25 |
| nodevel | i think that UI 2.0 should be nice on the tablet (have yet to see one), but it is a big regression on the phone indeed | 15:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I'm rather happy about what I have on phone :) | 15:28 |
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| mornfall | nodevel: dunno, I basically got used to it | 15:38 |
| mornfall | I'd probably find the sideways swipes for actions cumbersome now | 15:38 |
| mornfall | the only thing that really bugs me is that the phone can't really be used one-handed (but it never quite could, so that's not that much of a regression) | 15:39 |
| mornfall | it probably works if you have big hands | 15:39 |
| Nicd- | people still complaining about 2.0 UI? | 15:40 |
| mornfall | should have been called the rachmaninov phone or something :P | 15:40 |
| Nicd- | 2.0 got my contact sync working again, but now my calendar sync is broken | 15:41 |
| Nicd- | so calendar is totally useless | 15:41 |
| Nicd- | always something :/ | 15:41 |
| Lieke | i'm content with the 2.0 ui, just still annoyed by the ambiance switcher blocking the swipe down gesture | 15:46 |
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| Tegu | I have started to use ambience switcher because of that | 15:49 |
| Yaniel | I tend to lock the phone by swiping down and then pressing the power button | 15:49 |
| Yaniel | because the swipe alone doesn't lock it :( | 15:50 |
| Tegu | ye.. | 15:50 |
| Yaniel | which makes the whole use total bs | 15:50 |
| Tegu | however, at the same update they put the physical volume keys to control the ringtone volume <_< as if I wanted to control it other than switching the ambience | 15:50 |
| Yaniel | well mute/unmute is useful | 15:51 |
| Tegu | for that I can switch the ambience | 15:51 |
| Tegu | have a silent ambience and normal | 15:51 |
| Yaniel | I only use one ambience anyway | 15:51 |
| Yaniel | *ever* | 15:51 |
| Tegu | I used only one before the switcher became more accessible | 15:51 |
| Tegu | now I know directly if the phone is in silent mode or not as the colors are different | 15:52 |
| Lieke | i only switch ambiance when i switch toh, and that happens automatically anyway | 15:52 |
| Tegu | but I have to be careful not to increase the ringtone volume when in silent ambience.. | 15:53 |
| Tegu | is there a way to disable that volume keys control the ringtone volume? | 15:55 |
| mornfall | Tegu: yeah, that's kind ofa gotcha | 15:55 |
| Tegu | mornfall: they even have the ambience called "Silent" by default but this kinda breaks it | 15:56 |
| mornfall | yes, that's what I use | 15:56 |
| mornfall | and yes, I hit the volume by accident all the time | 15:57 |
| mornfall | sucks | 15:57 |
| Tegu | agree | 15:57 |
| Tegu | and same here. must decrease it again. and when I want to control the volume, I have to go to some app that uses sound and only then I can control the normal (like music) volume.. | 15:57 |
| Tegu | when it's not playing | 15:58 |
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| Tegu | for example, if I want to make sure I don't have the sounds at maximum when I open something | 15:58 |
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| phlixi_o | this kind of a conceptual problem, since there are different things that have volumes, but only one volume rocker | 16:18 |
| phlixi_o | like, ringtone (e.g. i want that one to be ALWAYS SILENT) and alarms (e.g. i want them to be always super loud; dont ask^^) and "media volume while headphones connected" (e.g. playing music, podcast whatever) and "media volume while NO headphones are connected" | 16:20 |
| phlixi_o | now if you change something and keep something thats bad... | 16:20 |
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| phlixi_o | actually i like the android approach | 16:20 |
| phlixi_o | which acpects that those are 4 different things, and visualizes that pretty well | 16:21 |
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| the_mgt | and there we are, using pulseaudio but the phone does not do what you want | 16:21 |
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| phlixi_o | ...which accepts... | 16:22 |
| phlixi_o | ..typing is difficult :D | 16:22 |
| mornfall | the_mgt: how am I not surprised | 16:23 |
| the_mgt | I have to say, I am rather happy most of the time. sometimes I get a ringtone and do not know why, but most of the time it is silent and my pebble signals calls, etc | 16:24 |
| mornfall | we also have systemd and it only took a reboot to get sshd to start | 16:24 |
| the_mgt | mornfall: we are simply holding it wrong | 16:25 |
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| mornfall | The Silver Bullet (by LP) ... (fine print: only works for fanboys) | 16:29 |
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| Lieke | you're obviously just a hater, poetterware is flawless! | 16:30 |
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| newin | hi all ! | 18:17 |
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| oida | Hi, I think I have bricked my jolla, I'm stuck after bootlogo, and in recovery mode I'm unable to do a factory reset as mmcblk0p28 can only be mounted ro for some reason. Any ideas? | 18:54 |
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| staplr | Hi there | 19:29 |
| staplr | I was wondering if there is a TEE on Jolla ? | 19:29 |
| Nicd- | a TEE? do you mean the command line program or what? | 19:30 |
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| phlixi_ | trans europe express? | 19:30 |
| Nicd- | or trusted execution environment? | 19:30 |
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| mdxth | [nemo@Jolla ~]$ tee --version | 19:31 |
| mdxth | tee (GNU coreutils) 6.9 | 19:32 |
| mdxth | my tablet says that :) | 19:32 |
| staplr | trusted execution environment | 19:32 |
| staplr | sorry | 19:33 |
| Nicd- | afaik no | 19:33 |
| staplr | erf crap | 19:33 |
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| phlixi_ | not that does halp in any way, but isnt the SIM a TEE? | 19:34 |
| staplr | no | 19:40 |
| staplr | the SIM is rather considered as a secure element | 19:40 |
| staplr | it can store stuff securely | 19:41 |
| staplr | but has no processing power | 19:41 |
| phlixi_ | like keys, which are used for cimmunication^^ | 19:41 |
| staplr | or not much | 19:41 |
| staplr | yes | 19:42 |
| staplr | like keys | 19:42 |
| staplr | keystore | 19:42 |
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| tbr | staplr: the QC chip is certainly capable of it as Android uses widevine and such. I don't think it's used on the Jolla though. If it can be activated, I'm not sure. | 20:00 |
| staplr | thx tbr, i agree. TrustZone is shipped with ARM SoCs since a while now... | 20:04 |
| tbr | also it would probably need signed code and QC likes $$$ for every feature you use | 20:05 |
| Aard | staplr: trust zone is pretty much useless to an enduser as key store (or anything trust). adding a separate module for key store makes a lot more sense | 20:07 |
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| staplr | yeap. we are building an SDK for payment solutions.. and since whitebox cryptography becomes compromised due to DCA attacks... we are looking for other solutions.. | 20:09 |
| staplr | we don't want to store only keys | 20:09 |
| tbr | I think I'd put a secure element in a BLE module with an activation button. Easy enough to talk GATT on android AFAIU | 20:10 |
| Aard | staplr: what do you need? for common public key stuff you don't need much bandwith, as you'd do most of the operation on the main os, and just have an intermediary key created and signed in the card | 20:10 |
| Aard | for that even sim card is fast enough | 20:10 |
| Aard | if you can ship hardware to users, there are micro sd cards available with embedded secure element. I think currently there are 3 vendors of those | 20:11 |
| staplr | well .. we cannot ship hw to endusers | 20:11 |
| Aard | in that case you don't really have a portable _secure_ way to do it | 20:12 |
| staplr | we would like to protect shared secret keys | 20:12 |
| staplr | like AES keys | 20:12 |
| Aard | none of the current smartphone platforms can really do that out of the box | 20:12 |
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| staplr | ok. this is my understanding as well | 20:13 |
| Aard | I've looking into how to implement this for sailfishos last year before I left jolla, but after my initial experiments nothing more came out of it. there should be pcscd in the repos nowadays, which provides software storage via pkcs#11. which would be how you'd access a real secure module on sailfish as well, if it ever were implemented. | 20:15 |
| Aard | so you can play how it'd feel like if it were there :) | 20:15 |
| Aard | pkcsslotd, not pcscd. pcscd is there, too (and can be used on tablet, with some limits, to use usb secure modules) | 20:16 |
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