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| sharpneli | I has a Jolla tablet now | 08:50 |
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| sharpneli | Why oh why it has the mandatory tutorial at start. | 08:50 |
| sharpneli | I have a Jolla phone already. :E | 08:50 |
| ggabriel | sharpneli: congrats \o/ | 08:51 |
| ggabriel | it isn't a tutorial, it's a test to see if you remember how to use sfos | 08:51 |
| ggabriel | also, apparently you can skip it but never tried if that's true :P | 08:51 |
| kimmoli | yeah you can skip it | 08:52 |
| sharpneli | How on earth :D | 08:52 |
| sharpneli | There should be a tutorial for tutorial skipping | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | touch the corners anti clockwise they say | 08:52 |
| kimmoli | only from the first screen | 08:52 |
| kimmoli | no. clockwise from topleft | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | it is written in ancient runes | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | thx kimmoli | 08:52 |
| Tegu | ..what | 08:53 |
| Tegu | why not just a simple skip button? (okay people would skip it and then wonder how they should use it..) | 08:53 |
| sharpneli | Now that's a simple way :D | 08:53 |
| ggabriel | so that people actually learn how to use the ui and then don't go writing stupid blogs :P | 08:53 |
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| kimmoli | :) | 08:54 |
| sharpneli | I don't care about those people. I care about myself having to go trough it every time. The most annoying part is after factory reset (I had to do it like 4 times with the phone, so I'm quite annoyed at the feature) | 08:54 |
| kimmoli | 4 times? during portin and flashing 20+ times per day | 08:54 |
| ggabriel | I think kimmoli gave you gold then | 08:54 |
| sharpneli | He did. Thankfully it does exists. Thanks kimmoli. | 08:55 |
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| roboro | talking about the ui... I never had an issue with it and its super intuitive to me... but my partner had a fit the other day trying to answer my phone... she said it was insane not just to have an answer button somewhere obvious for someone to press | 08:56 |
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| roboro | I tried to convince her that she had been brainwashed into believing that's how things should work... but she had a pretty strong argument that its the way things have been done for ages and there is no advantage in the pulley system for a simple action like answering a call | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | roboro: lol, your partner shouldn't be answering your phone ;) | 08:58 |
| roboro | I was driving and unfortunately sailfish does not integrate awfully well with my car radio handsfree system | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | well, the reason is that you can accidentally pocket answer it :P | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | you shouldn't answer a phone call while driving either :P | 08:58 |
| roboro | which is why she was answering it | 08:59 |
| roboro | :D | 08:59 |
| roboro | but yeah the pocket answer is about the best argument for the pulley system... but proximity sensor? | 08:59 |
| roboro | on the other hand... really happy with the ease with which I can tether my tablet and phone... and also syncing seems to work pretty well for contacts etc | 09:01 |
| sharpneli | Considering that I've had pocket calls and answerings with Jolla phone but not with iPhone I'd say the pulley system does not benefit at all in the end. | 09:02 |
| sharpneli | As an UI choice I do like it tho. | 09:02 |
| roboro | oh... I like it... but I get her point entirely | 09:04 |
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| sharpneli | Yup. Consistency is the key, which is why it's so hard to bring new paradigms to market. | 09:07 |
| sharpneli | The UI feels like it's stuttering a lot. | 09:07 |
| roboro | perhaps the animation from the tutorial could be displayed when the phone rings... indicating that you could pull down to answer or pull up to reject | 09:08 |
| sharpneli | Probably not a perf issue, but more likely a GPU stall issue etc. As even this GPU should be able to alphablend stuff at this rate. | 09:08 |
| roboro | it just needs to be more obvious... so in an emergency... a non-sailfish user can vaguely work out how to answer your phone etc | 09:08 |
| kimmoli | and "it has been always done like this" is no argument to make it again like it | 09:09 |
| roboro | haven't noticed ui stutter myself | 09:09 |
| sharpneli | kimmoli: Actually it is an argument for it. Not an ultimate one but given 2 ways that are about as easy and useful the one that has been before wins because more people already know how to use it. | 09:09 |
| roboro | but it has always been done like this... makes sense unless the alternative is offering an improvement | 09:09 |
| sharpneli | Exactly | 09:09 |
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| kimmoli | well, we (i) used to answer phone by just picking up the handset. | 09:10 |
| kimmoli | why it does not answer by just picking it up? | 09:10 |
| sharpneli | Because the phone is a single part now | 09:10 |
| sharpneli | The clamphones answered when they were opened | 09:11 |
| roboro | and also because you carry the handset with you all the time | 09:11 |
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| sharpneli | The other disadvantages of two part phone are larger than the benefit of easy answering | 09:11 |
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| the_mgt | roboro: what car do you drive? or what radio/handsfree set? | 09:14 |
| the_mgt | I have been using several and it always worked fine | 09:14 |
| roboro | pioneer deh something or other | 09:15 |
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| roboro | it works for answering but not for calling out... so I don't tend to use it really | 09:15 |
| the_mgt | ah. ok. I never called out from a car | 09:19 |
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| the_mgt | receiving always worked fine. I hate to use handsfree sets in general, but the law... | 09:20 |
| roboro | I fought the law... and the law won... | 09:29 |
| the_mgt | like that, yes. basically, they do never seem to care, but if you are involved in a carcrash, your insurance probably wont pay | 09:30 |
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| the_mgt | on a side note: using the mobile phone itself for the call makes you a safer driver. your accident risk is lower than when you not use a phone | 09:30 |
| the_mgt | (because you automatically compensate, you drive slower, more careful, more space to front car, etc etc.) | 09:31 |
| Tomo | same goes for driving drunk/high? :P | 09:32 |
| sharpneli | No netflix on Jolla, even on the webpage :D | 09:33 |
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| the_mgt | Tomo: mostly not. but the real problem with drugged driving is the combination of drugs | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | roboro: the best argument in your case is "don't use it if you don't like it"... some people will never understand. buttons are easy to confuse/mistake, the pulley menu gives you the chance to change your mind | 09:36 |
| the_mgt | so while a single substance might not make you a terribly bad driver, two combined will do | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | e.g, "it's my dad, I'm about to answer... erm, maybe not, how about I ignore" | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | in fact, the buttons to end a call are confusing and there should be another pulley menu there :D | 09:36 |
| r0kk3rz | meh pulleys, should be a Right to Left Dialog | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | thta's so symbian :P | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | it's a lot easier IMO to move your finger up/down than right/left due to the rectangular shape of the device | 09:38 |
| roboro | ggabriel: its easy to say "don't use it if you don't like it"... but if I need someone else to use it because I am unable to myself... then I don't want them to go through a whole gesture tutorial first before working out what the hell is going on | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | just let the phone ring? | 09:39 |
| r0kk3rz | ggabriel: i find im more likely to accidentally hit a pully item whilst picking up the phone than a Left/Right dialog | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | really? you have to do an extended action to confirm a pulley item while a button is just a tap | 09:41 |
| r0kk3rz | roboro: thats why everyone rides tricycles, because they're easier to learn | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | i have to grab androids/ios's from the edges to avoid doing that, while the jolla is a million time easier to grab | 09:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | ggabriel: sure, but that doesnt make it perfect | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | nothing is perfect | 09:42 |
| ggabriel | that i concede | 09:42 |
| ggabriel | but far better than ios, which is my biz phone now | 09:42 |
| roboro | meh... just saying non-intuitive interface doesn't improve functionality much... I'm happy to use it... but its an obstacle to uptake because it doesn't improve things in any way | 09:43 |
| ggabriel | roboro: simple example | 09:43 |
| ggabriel | ios mail application: you access an email and in order to go back you either tap top left or you have to swipe all the way from the edge | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | sfos mail: in order to go back a page you just flick in the centre of the screen, which is far easier to do single handedly | 09:44 |
| roboro | true... happy with that | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | that action I deal with every day... the iphone I have to grab double handed | 09:44 |
| roboro | I love lots of sailfish gesture stuff | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | but you'll see imprpovements or not depending on use | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | if you use mostly android applications, you'll rely on the back button for that | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | so sfos gestures won't apply | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | and so on... | 09:45 |
| roboro | indeed | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | believe it or not, some people have a phone exclusively for whatsapp xor facebook | 09:45 |
| roboro | I would almost do that just to reduce how much those apps have access to all of my data | 09:46 |
| r0kk3rz | roboro: it removes redundant navigation buttons from the UI space, giving more room for app content or whatever | 09:46 |
| r0kk3rz | i count that as an improvement | 09:46 |
| roboro | the phone answer screen does not lack space | 09:47 |
| roboro | you have two options answer or reject | 09:47 |
| roboro | seriously how much screen do you need? | 09:47 |
| roboro | that screen is not exactly screaming out to allow for more room for app content | 09:47 |
| r0kk3rz | thats just to make it easier to hit | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | you can argue that you could configure whether to have buttons there or not... | 09:48 |
| r0kk3rz | instead of aiming for a button, you have a whole screen gesture | 09:48 |
| roboro | true... | 09:48 |
| roboro | as I say... I don't have an issue with it... | 09:48 |
| roboro | but its difficult for non-sailfish users to relate to... so its an obstacle | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | I'd personally love to just say to the phone "answer speakerphone" and voila :P | 09:49 |
| roboro | nice | 09:49 |
| roboro | I'm in for that | 09:49 |
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| ggabriel | well, look at tjc and how sfos "evolved" and you'll see that even jolla is adjusting the paradigm to be more ios/android user friendly | 09:49 |
| roboro | I might actually take some time to look at creating a patch for the answer screen to include buttons... so that at least people have an option... but I need a free weekend... | 09:50 |
| roboro | and those are scarce nowadays | 09:50 |
| the_mgt | fcuk people, I say :-P | 09:51 |
| roboro | lol | 09:52 |
| the_mgt | everytime I am forced to maintain someones android device, I am feeling dumb. like an ox looking into clockwork | 09:52 |
| roboro | I might say the same if I don't find a weekend | 09:52 |
| roboro | the_mgt: I fully understand that feeling | 09:53 |
| r0kk3rz | roboro: dialog control, dialog control! | 09:53 |
| roboro | I feel that with windows as well | 09:53 |
| r0kk3rz | roboro: dialog control works as buttons AND whole screen gesture, its a win win | 09:54 |
| the_mgt | I am giving payed support for windows. I am pretty much at home in all desktop OSs, but android devices are my nemesis | 09:54 |
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| ggabriel | the_mgt: lol ox looking into clockwork | 09:56 |
| roboro | r0kk3rz: yep... I'm good with that... but isn't qml pretty close? | 09:57 |
| roboro | or am I misunderstanding your reference? | 09:57 |
| roboro | it would be nice if it was easier for people to modify some screens... to suit their own layout requirements etc... e.g. call log... I patched that for ages because it used to not show the number of the caller | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | roboro: its a QML Silica Item i am referring to, you can see it in settings menus and such | 10:00 |
| r0kk3rz | roboro: eg if you edit a contact in people app, you get a dialog | 10:02 |
| roboro | ah... yes | 10:04 |
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| citylight2 | hi there, I was away for some time, whats new? no news on the blog | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | what kind of news are you after? :) | 11:20 |
| citylight2 | well, new OS updates, new devices | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | intex says "soon" | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | no new OS updates | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | but there may be some info about the latter in community meetings minutes, so maybe check there? | 11:21 |
| citylight2 | ok | 11:22 |
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| EyeA | Jolla )0!1@ )0h | 14:55 |
| EyeA | Hej | 14:55 |
| EyeA | Vor den gor | 14:56 |
| EyeA | I send a email to Jolla for a repair 3 weeks ago no reply yet | 14:57 |
| EyeA | does any one know if the sim module is uni | 14:57 |
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| EyeA | Jolla | 15:07 |
| EyeA | )0!1@ | 15:08 |
| EyeA | )0h | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | EyeA: I don't think emails work, you have to go to zendesk | 15:08 |
| EyeA | ok | 15:08 |
| EyeA | thanks | 15:08 |
| EyeA | tak tak | 15:08 |
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| sharpneli | Ooo. Jolla tablet has intel's OpenCL impelementation in it! | 15:28 |
| sharpneli | Super yay | 15:28 |
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| sharpneli | And OpenGL ES 3.0 support | 15:38 |
| sharpneli | Not bad. | 15:38 |
| sharpneli | Now I just have to get my linux back running so I can finalize my OpenCL Hybris wrapper I made for my Jolla phone (and abandonded due to crappy Qualcomm backend) | 15:39 |
| sharpneli | And maybe even do OpenGL ES 3.0 wrapper for hybris | 15:39 |
| sharpneli | Because why not | 15:39 |
| sharpneli | Btw. Is the tablet factory image available anywhere? In Jolla phone it was unavailable due to Qualcomm legal. How is Intel handling it? | 15:41 |
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| coderus | sharpneli: available | 15:47 |
| tbr | sharpneli: there was a leak a while ago of files that looked like factory images | 15:47 |
| coderus | sharpneli: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96474 | 15:47 |
| sharpneli | Aww yiss. Thanks! | 15:49 |
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| sharpneli | Now my remaining pipe dream is to get Vulkan support, but that's kinda hard to do even if Intel does have new drivers for it. | 15:51 |
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| EyeA | Jolla )0!1@ )0h | 15:58 |
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| sharpneli | I'm playing around with the fps overlay. It confirms the feeling that menu scrolls etc simply tank the performance. | 16:01 |
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| coderus | !seen nodevel | 16:49 |
| merbot | coderus: nodevel was last seen in #jollamobile 1 year, 45 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <nodevel> SK_work: ok, thanks | 16:49 |
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| kimmoli | thats a while ago | 17:09 |
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