| M4rtinK | and there are cases where it really feels not thought through or outright badly written | 00:00 |
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| M4rtinK | and very very fragile! | 00:00 |
| M4rtinK | keithzg: well, its actually pretty hard to even find what are the default apps | 00:00 |
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| M4rtinK | a while ago the News app (RSS reader) stopped working after upgrade on my Centos 7 server | 00:01 |
| M4rtinK | turns out it now requires a newer version of PHP | 00:01 |
| M4rtinK | newer than what Centos 7 provides by default | 00:02 |
| keithzg | Yeah, 'tis why I'm on 8.1.0 myself still | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK | so have luck to running it on *any* Enterprise Linux anywhere :P | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK | as RHEL/CentOS 7 is generally the most up to date of the bunch | 00:03 |
| keithzg | The version of Ubuntu Server I have it on doesn't have PHP 5.6. I'm just gonna wait until *buntu 16.04 comes out and just switch to PHP7, and I'll have fun fixing everything *that* breaks ;) | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | so I reported it as the News app looked as official and was even mentioned as such in a few official places | 00:03 |
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| keithzg | It's carried by the official repos on Github, but yeah, not actually developed as an "official" app . . . | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | they responded that the app is actually not official | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | so the author (one of the Owncloud developers IIRC) can do what he wants with it | 00:04 |
| keithzg | Personally I use file sync, contacts, calendar, and news. Of those, only the file sync stuff is official! | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | I pointed out the app is marked as official | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | and it ended with them discussing with each other, trying to find if they actually have a canonical list/way of finding which apps are actually official :P | 00:05 |
| keithzg | They seem to have fixed *that* at least, I can see in my own instance right now it's marked as "Approved" rather than "Official". | 00:05 |
| keithzg | haha, that's pretty hilarious | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | and its really a shame | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | there is *nothing* open even close to what they provide | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | I don't really use their filesync | 00:06 |
| Yaniel | have you tried radicale recently | 00:06 |
| M4rtinK | but I do use Tasks, Calendar, Notes, Documents and Contacts | 00:07 |
| keithzg | I use the file sync largely for text-based stuff, since I found myself often having notes. I also keep my personal epub library synced via it. | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that might not be a bad idea | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | I usually use rsync | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | or mount stuff via sshfs/samba | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | how robust is their file sync ? | 00:08 |
| keithzg | It used to be . . . not good. Haven't had any issues in over a year now, though. | 00:08 |
| keithzg | I used to (and for large things still do) use rsync and sshfs mounting and such, but for tiny things were I do want one canonical copy I've found that I was too messy and lazy if I relied on me manually syncing, heh. | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | I guess I could try using it for less critical stuff :) | 00:09 |
| keithzg | It does have versioning enabled my default, so as long as things don't *really* screw up it's fairly safe. | 00:11 |
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| keithzg | *by default | 00:11 |
| M4rtinK | it doesn't really make sense in many cases | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | & I wonder how robust/efficient it is in their case | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | I generally use git for it | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | even for arbitrary files | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | it can be used quite easily to watch a folder with inotify | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | and auto-commit any changes | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | and for stuff like system upgrade rollback I use LVM thin snapshots on some machines :) | 00:14 |
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| keithzg | Yeah, I tend to fall to git too. Even used git-annex before when I'm mostly just trying to keep track but don't really need to keep versions per se. | 00:15 |
| keithzg | Yaniel: I only tried radicale ages ago, and I can't remember why it didn't work for me, but I definitely remember it didn't work for some reason. Also, in truth I use Google for my primary contacts and calendar setup---owncloud is more just a fallback, and what some of my friends and coworkers use. I'm mostly using my ownCloud instance for file sync and RSS reading, so I figure I might as well let folks who want to avoid central services use it too. | 00:17 |
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| M4rtinK | I find it really helps if you have a single account for your local cloud services | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | no need to log in to different services for different things | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | also helps if you have less technical users in your household | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | + the users on the instance can share stuff across services, etc. | 00:20 |
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| Jean-Scotch | Hi. Any hope to see SIP integration in Jolla phone? could we help with code or funding? | 06:54 |
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| tbr | Jean-Scotch: you can dig into the resource policy and audio routing, if you are not afraid of your sanity and happen to speak PROLOG | 06:59 |
| Tofe | if the telepathy sip support is already built in Mer, it should mainly be a matter of integrating with Accounts, I guess | 07:00 |
| Jean-Scotch | when looking at the logs, it seems a big part of the integration is already done. | 07:00 |
| Tofe | https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/ | 07:01 |
| Jean-Scotch | And I spoke prolog in some past time ;) | 07:01 |
| Jean-Scotch | but that was 30 years ago :D | 07:02 |
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| tbr | Jean-Scotch, Tofe: telepathy SIP is there and there is an alsa hack to make upside-down calls with low volume. Supposedly there's some account UI nowadays and the dialer /may/ support it. | 07:06 |
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| tbr | if the dialer doesn't then the best course of action is to use the nemo dialer and based on that rewrite an open source dialer. (the nemo dialer uses old stuff) | 07:06 |
| Jean-Scotch | tbr: one can add a SIP account to the phone. Logs shows activity related to contact the SIP server. But that's as far as I was able to go. | 07:07 |
| tbr | Jean-Scotch: you can try to apply the alsa config hack as a start | 07:08 |
| tbr | and then dig into audio routing and policy | 07:08 |
| tbr | if you're lucky you might be able to get some hints out of jusa_, he used to work on this | 07:08 |
| Jean-Scotch | I did apply the alsa config hack but had no result there :( | 07:09 |
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| sharpneli | Awesome. I applied for the refund for the tablet. Now there came a mail "Oh wait we will send you a tablet". Except it wants me to pay $50 of taxes :D | 09:45 |
| sharpneli | Yeah. Not going to send any more money. | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | sharpneli: then you may want to contact them asking for your money back so that they can give the tablet to someone else? unless it's a mistake, of course | 09:51 |
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| sharpneli | I already did ask my money back. That mail came only after I had fulfilled the refund request. | 09:58 |
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| jaywalk | sharpneli: I suppose this tablet was one that was supposed to go to someone else, you can of course just open a ticket and ask for a refund anyway. I got a tablet offered now and payed my 65 USD tax, it's with DHL somewhere in the world! | 10:10 |
| jaywalk | I guess they gave you the option since it was now available and that you could not make this choice before | 10:10 |
| sharpneli | Yeah. I paid for the tax now just for the lulz. | 10:10 |
| sharpneli | It's expensive tablet and it's so late. But let's see. | 10:10 |
| jaywalk | sharpneli: sure, but it is also the only tablet I'd consider. I've never been interested in iphone os and I've done android. not going back there | 10:11 |
| jaywalk | so for me this is the test if I should have a tablet at all.:) | 10:11 |
| ggabriel | jaywalk: well done ;) | 10:11 |
| rigo | +1 | 10:12 |
| sharpneli | Now I actually use iPhone. Never owned an android phone in my life. It's kinda refreshing how well everything just works. As long as one doesn't want to develop with it. | 10:12 |
| jaywalk | since I took a dive with my jolla phone I have a IP67 dumb phone and my laptop now, something lighter with internet will be appreciated! | 10:12 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, it's my first tablet and I love it... use it for music, some videos, read books, browse interwebs | 10:12 |
| ggabriel | sharpneli: xmpp doesn't work on iphone, so not everything "just works" ;) | 10:13 |
| jaywalk | ggabriel: good to hear! I've been through two e-paper 6"-jobs that are both now broken. made me read a lot more | 10:13 |
| ggabriel | yup, my kindle broke and then jolla came with the tablet and I thought yeah why not | 10:13 |
| jaywalk | :) | 10:14 |
| ggabriel | oh, and it has usb otg, I can download pics from my dslr and fun stuff like that | 10:14 |
| sharpneli | ggabriel: Sure. Not everything "just works". But about the same amount "just works" than doesn't on Jolla, and vice versa :D | 10:14 |
| ggabriel | need to get ffmpeg and imagemagick there, which I think it's compiled already | 10:14 |
| ggabriel | sharpneli: yup, an expensive price to pay for that. oh, ux sucks on ios too... I keep trying to go back with the flick of my thumb | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | turns out that sometimes you can go back by pushing from the edge, but sometimes you can't | 10:15 |
| sharpneli | Hum. It does have swipe from out of the screen. | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | depending on the "app" | 10:15 |
| sharpneli | Ya | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | yes, pushing from edge is extremelly uncomfortable, but won't work everywhere | 10:15 |
| jaywalk | ggabriel: so USB OTG works on the tablet? that is very good news | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | better than android though | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | jaywalk: out of the box, yes, had to buy a usb adaptor though | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | but you plug in the camera, mount the fs, and copy stuff | 10:16 |
| jaywalk | got it already, this'll open for new interesting uses! | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | sadly, the tablet won't have a number of codecs if you want to see videos and stuff | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | thanks to complex licensing | 10:17 |
| jaywalk | the wifi on my camera is unfortunately too strange to use (olympus), otherwise that'd be a way too | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | but there's nothing stopping us from sideloading them | 10:17 |
| jaywalk | it's doable, but I don't have the time to follow through | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | if you have one of those cameras, normally accessing port 8080 works, but you need to connect to it directly | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | gopro is the same | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | apple and google are to blame here for not making bluetooth properly available so hw manufacturers had to hack their way around to make things easier for the commoners | 10:18 |
| jaywalk | ggabriel: it does, can't remember where I stopped last time but accessing the full size images was too much work for something I can do without | 10:18 |
| sharpneli | Is the kernel source for Jolla Tablet available? What intel drivers does it use? | 10:20 |
| sharpneli | The opensource one? Some custom? | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | sharpneli: it's available and jolla can give it to you on request, but normally somebody makes it available on the internet | 10:20 |
| sharpneli | Does it include the GPU drivers this time around? | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | the request to jolla would be cumbersome as it's via post | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | I think it uses libhybris | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | so same case as android, but don't quote me on this one | 10:21 |
| sharpneli | So it's Intel's anroid drivers. I wonder if they are the same as their opensource ones. | 10:21 |
| sharpneli | Not just android drivers. But like 3 year old android drivers :E | 10:21 |
| sharpneli | I'd just like to upgrade mine. | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | sharpneli: the same question was asked and there was the matter of time | 10:21 |
| pp__ | <3 | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | to make the hal etc | 10:21 |
| sharpneli | The reason is Vulkan support | 10:21 |
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| RaYmAn | so uhm..that latest update is a bit disappointing. I can't request a refund (cause it says I'm getting a tablet), and I have yet to receive an invite to buy one. And I have till the 16th to sort either refund or tablet out... Anyone else with a similar issue? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | pketo: ^ | 12:01 |
| RaYmAn | and yay, the support request page is broken ;) at least the link from the blog post. | 12:01 |
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| RaYmAn | I guess zendesk is having issue | 12:02 |
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| RaYmAn | oh, wtf | 12:03 |
| RaYmAn | Jolla really needs to work on their communication. They've changed my refund survey to now let me actually request a refund | 12:04 |
| RaYmAn | (might have been nice to get emails about this stuff...) | 12:04 |
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| pketo | RaYmAn: the status for those on the edge is still a bit live as we are sending out the last invites, and some of those might get refused and so on. But everyone can reply in the refund tool, and the refund will be caried out if no device gets shipped | 12:10 |
| pketo | on the edge, or at the tail end of the queue... | 12:11 |
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| RaYmAn | pketo: right ok.. The lack of information is just a bit icky. Are you "on the edge" when it said "Pending shipment"? Hard to guess really ;) | 12:42 |
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| Milo- | A customs officer called me today about my jolla tablet. :o | 13:12 |
| Milo- | I might get it before christmas \o/ | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | did he say "can I keep it?" | 13:13 |
| Milo- | I don't know. I was sleeping when he called. I think he asked for my social security numbers. | 13:13 |
| Milo- | or maybe it was one of my co-workers playing a prank on me | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | did you provide that? :P | 13:14 |
| Milo- | I think so.. or I might have answered "yes mother" | 13:14 |
| Milo- | but isn't that the same thing? | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | not really :P | 13:15 |
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| Milo- | I thought the job of a mother is to be the social security :( | 13:15 |
| Milo- | I guess I'd be a bad mother then | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | so you gave your mother's phone number then? | 13:16 |
| Milo- | maiden name, that's what everyone always ask anyways. | 13:16 |
| Milo- | I think I might have been socially engineered. Damn you Kevin Mitnick! | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | unlikely with the promise of a jolla tablet :P maybe more successful if you say "I have an iphone 6s waiting for you! can i have your dob/ss#/full name/address/dna?" | 13:18 |
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| Milo- | I would hang up if someone offered me iphone | 13:18 |
| Coolgeek | hi, how can I see the call log. I want to find how long a call was | 13:26 |
| Coolgeek | if possible | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | Coolgeek: phone app and long tap on call? | 13:27 |
| Coolgeek | doesn't show the history | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | close and open the phone application again? history is the default view | 13:28 |
| Coolgeek | yeah, but there is not the info I want on it | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | so you have no history at all? or you see numbers and can't figure out the length of that call? | 13:28 |
| Coolgeek | I want to see all call infos (date, duration) I made for a given number, | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | also, what version of sfos are you running? | 13:29 |
| Coolgeek | latest stable | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | ok, so do you see the number? can you long tap? | 13:29 |
| Coolgeek | yup, I have "send message", "register as contact", "copy", "del" | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | and above that you can't see the number and duration next to it? | 13:30 |
| Coolgeek | only the last one, I want a previous one | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | ah, maybe that isn't possible | 13:31 |
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| Milo- | long tap, shows "send message, open contact, delete", above all of those is the name of the contact or number, beside that there is the duration | 13:34 |
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| Coolgeek | only for the last call | 13:38 |
| Coolgeek | but I want a previous one | 13:38 |
| Milo- | ah, last call for that person | 13:39 |
| Milo- | yes | 13:39 |
| Milo- | hack the database | 13:39 |
| Coolgeek | I'm not suited for that :( | 13:39 |
| Milo- | your name says "geek" | 13:42 |
| Milo- | therefore your argument is invalid | 13:42 |
| Coolgeek | oh ! look a cat in the sky !! | 13:43 |
| * Coolgeek flee | 13:43 | |
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| Aciid | how to spot a dying startup? company blog writer has removed their avatars xD | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | Aciid: it seems a bit like all avatars are gone | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, or not | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, jolla's not dying, just wounded | 17:13 |
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| Nicd- | it's just pining for the fjords | 17:14 |
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| Nicd- | wonder when we'll get a new SFOS version :P | 17:19 |
| Nicd- | or early access was really really early this time | 17:19 |
| taaem | they're probably busy with intex and turing | 17:21 |
| nh1402 | I believe that was because a life threatening bug | 17:21 |
| nh1402 | of the phone, being a phone | 17:21 |
| Nicd- | what bug is that? | 17:21 |
| taaem | something about calls not working | 17:22 |
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| nh1402 | I'm not sure | 17:22 |
| taaem | in some condition | 17:22 |
| Nicd- | glad to know I have it on my phone then :D | 17:22 |
| Nicd- | I do have the problem that it doesn't ring half the time. or rather, stops ringing after 1 second and mutes the call | 17:22 |
| nh1402 | that might be it then | 17:24 |
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| TemeV | I've had that too, but I thought I did it accidentally when taking the phone out of the pocket | 17:24 |
| Nicd- | nh1402: it's not really life threatening | 17:25 |
| nh1402 | life threatening in the sense that it stops the phone doing it's primary function of answering phone calls | 17:26 |
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| Nicd- | you can still answer them | 17:27 |
| Nicd- | it just won't ring | 17:27 |
| Nicd- | haven't had any problems with outgoing calls. and call recorder works again after an update | 17:28 |
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