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| temmi_hoo | phone without headphone port? | 08:50 |
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| temmi_hoo | because everybody loves their a2dp hifi quality? | 08:51 |
| ggabriel | amazing quality | 08:51 |
| ggabriel | not that you can tell the difference OR you have good enough sources anyway :P | 08:52 |
| r0kk3rz | a2dp is pretty good | 08:52 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 08:52 |
| r0kk3rz | the problem is the lag | 08:52 |
| lainwir3d | depends | 08:52 |
| r0kk3rz | and having to deal with signal issues | 08:52 |
| lainwir3d | you can have pretty good results actually | 08:52 |
| lainwir3d | in a non bluetooth poluted area, we manage to go down to 40ms on the Parrot Zik 3 | 08:53 |
| lainwir3d | not perfect, but nice enough for movies | 08:53 |
| lainwir3d | in "polluted" areas, yeah that can go bad quite quickly | 08:53 |
| kjetilho | what codec? | 08:53 |
| lainwir3d | but never really had to go over 100ms (you can set the delay in the app) | 08:54 |
| lainwir3d | sbc | 08:54 |
| kjetilho | aha. what bitrate? | 08:54 |
| lainwir3d | unfortunately no aac in other things than iPhones* | 08:54 |
| kjetilho | isn't it hard to do good AAC coding when you have approx 25 ms window to work on? | 08:55 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm, don't know. As much as the latest awesome android phones can manage | 08:55 |
| lainwir3d | good question, I admit I wasn't the one working on that part ;-) | 08:55 |
| lainwir3d | decoding is usually fast | 08:56 |
| ggabriel | do you really need aac for normal stereo? | 08:56 |
| lainwir3d | encoding... not really sure. Don't last iphones accelerate those using a dsp ? | 08:56 |
| lainwir3d | ggabriel: honestly, we did a bit of blind listening at parrot | 08:56 |
| lainwir3d | very few people managed to notice a difference on higher bitrate | 08:56 |
| kjetilho | I'm not worried about the CPU, but about the size of the sample | 08:57 |
| lainwir3d | kjetilho: I'm honestly not competent on that area :-( | 08:57 |
| kjetilho | but I don't know these things. 1000 samples may be plenty | 08:57 |
| lainwir3d | Is it that problematic if the source was already aac encoded ? | 08:57 |
| lainwir3d | I don't know either :-/ | 08:58 |
| kjetilho | are there any stacks which allow pass-thru of encoded data? | 08:58 |
| kjetilho | seems like layering "violation" | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | well, I can't play aac on the jolla anyway unless I fiddle too much with libs | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | so ffmpeg is my friend and I convert in my server | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | if i use my jolla to play 5.1 sound via stereo jack or bluetooth, I'm doing something wrong | 08:58 |
| lainwir3d | kjetilho: we did some passthrough tests with our own stack I believe, but I don't know about usual stacks | 08:59 |
| kjetilho | nice | 08:59 |
| lainwir3d | ggabriel: true. I would love aac but even fiddling with bluez seems difficult | 08:59 |
| lainwir3d | the problem on the jolla, a2dp / sbc wise, is that it seems like the negociated sbc bitrate is quite low.... | 08:59 |
| lainwir3d | it doesn't seems like it's exploiting all the bandwidth capacity | 09:00 |
| lainwir3d | And I don't know where I can check that up / force it in bluez | 09:00 |
| kjetilho | it annoys me that this information is completely opaque on all equipment I've seen | 09:00 |
| lainwir3d | but anyway, for day to day use, I'm still pretty much happy with it. Honestly, the sound quality depends firstly on the headphones IMO. Then you can worry about the bitrate | 09:01 |
| lainwir3d | kjetilho: yeah, annoying ! | 09:01 |
| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: currently on jolla phone if my phone is in my pocket i get signal issues with the headphones | 09:03 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure why | 09:03 |
| r0kk3rz | which seems to contribute to the lag | 09:03 |
| lainwir3d | r0kk3rz: yeah, usual issues. | 09:04 |
| r0kk3rz | and i guess having to worry about battery life for headphones is a little bit annoying | 09:04 |
| lainwir3d | worst case scenario our testers works on : phone in back pocket | 09:04 |
| lainwir3d | that's the worst case scenario we get | 09:04 |
| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: it seems to be worse with the screen facing towards the outside of the pocket, perhaps its covering the antenna on the back or something | 09:05 |
| lainwir3d | if I encounter some lag, I usually increase the bluetooth delay (thus increasing the headphones buffer) | 09:05 |
| lainwir3d | probably yeah :-/ | 09:05 |
| lainwir3d | very bad signal I guess, since I doesn't seems the Jolla sends a high-bitrate signal | 09:06 |
| kjetilho | r0kk3rz: the only BT earbuds which work reliably seem to be Jaybird. body/water dampens the signal a lot | 09:06 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm... I'll try to see if it's worse for me too. | 09:07 |
| kjetilho | (with my Android phone or Jolla) | 09:07 |
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| lainwir3d | yeah, jaybird are nices (says a workmate) | 09:07 |
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| lainwir3d | Honestly, not really preaching for "my" product, the parrot zik are really good. Not perfect, but good. | 09:08 |
| lainwir3d | Not working if you're looking for buds though | 09:08 |
| lainwir3d | They'll feel much hotter / heavier / bigger :P | 09:08 |
| r0kk3rz | ive got some bt bone conduction headphones | 09:09 |
| kjetilho | yes, Parrot looks really nice | 09:09 |
| r0kk3rz | which are interesting | 09:09 |
| lainwir3d | r0kk3rz: working nice ? | 09:09 |
| kjetilho | but I walk around with podcasts in my ears whenever I have 60+ seconds | 09:09 |
| kjetilho | so I want a really unobtrusive sound source | 09:10 |
| kjetilho | r0kk3rz: did you get your dentist to install them? | 09:10 |
| lainwir3d | yeah, I understand the earbuds choice better then :) | 09:10 |
| lainwir3d | haha :D | 09:10 |
| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: yeah surprising actually, i first thought (no way these are bone conducting) and then put in ear plugs | 09:14 |
| r0kk3rz | and i could still hear | 09:14 |
| lainwir3d | nice | 09:15 |
| r0kk3rz | kinda bizarre having good headphone sound as well as completely natural ambiant sounds as well | 09:16 |
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| zmo | o/ | 15:23 |
| zmo | after a couple of month leaving it on the table, I've updated my jolla phone to latest version, and now it's being slow like hell | 15:23 |
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| zmo | it's almost unusable, is there anything I can do to fix that? | 15:24 |
| zmo | or at least to work around | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | its probably dexopting | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | give it a bit | 15:27 |
| zmo | ok | 15:28 |
| zmo | (what's dexopting?) | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | some stuff that android apps do on upgrade | 15:33 |
| zmo | ah | 15:34 |
| r0kk3rz | zmo: android apps kinda recompile themselves on upgrade which is probably hammering the cpu | 15:38 |
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