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| ICantCook | what's the average dispatch time from the Jolla shop? | 04:06 |
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| ICantCook | I paid for an order 10 days ago and the status is still "Paid" | 04:07 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 08:59 |
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| Helle | *pout* gpodder is being a butt, can't have more then the default of 200 visible episodes per podcast | 09:40 |
| Helle | which is annoying if you listen to episodal fiction, etc | 09:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | Helle: you cant filter it do unplayed? | 09:47 |
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| Helle | r0kk3rz: the problem is that it seems to be ignoring it's setting, which still only goes to 1000 | 09:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | Helle: does the settings page keep the setting? | 09:53 |
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| Helle | yep, but appaerently, funnily enough, the issue is not the client..... gpodder has their own podcast feed aggregation site | 09:54 |
| Helle | and THAT is hardcoded to 200..... | 09:55 |
| Helle | so subscribing to the original feed directly works around it | 09:55 |
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| phlixi_o | Helle: are you using gpodder on sailfish? | 10:01 |
| Helle | yes | 10:01 |
| Helle | but the bug is with their website/aggregator | 10:01 |
| Helle | not the app appaerently | 10:01 |
| phlixi_o | nope | 10:01 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: hah, im looking at the client code going "well, theres nothing obviously wrong..." | 10:01 |
| phlixi_o | it has no gpodder.net connection | 10:01 |
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| phlixi_o | you can set the limit to a bigger value than 200 - which you already did | 10:02 |
| phlixi_o | i do not remember what i did, but i have podcasts with more than 200 episodes added and listening to episodes older than 200 | 10:02 |
| phlixi_o | i guess i re added those feeds | 10:02 |
| phlixi_o | try removing the feed and adding it (while having a limit >200 | 10:02 |
| phlixi_o | then you should have the feed with more than 200 episodes | 10:03 |
| phlixi_o | but it is not related to gpodder.net since gpodder.net is not integrated into the sailfish version of gpüodder | 10:03 |
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| Helle | phlixi_o: uuuuh, I get "Discover Podcasts" which leads to gpodder.net search | 10:04 |
| phlixi_o | well i never used that feature | 10:04 |
| phlixi_o | just add the feed url | 10:04 |
| Helle | but idk about remove and readd, because then I lose what I already listened to | 10:04 |
| phlixi_o | if you dont like to readd, feel free to change the code in order to get the older episodes without readding... | 10:05 |
| phlixi_o | regarding gpodder.net integration i was talking about the sync, which the 2.x and 3.x branches have | 10:06 |
| phlixi_o | also i asume that the discover feature also only gives the feed url | 10:06 |
| Helle | phlixi_o: yeah, but it is a re-feed from the gpodder website, not the original one | 10:06 |
| phlixi_o | uuuuuuuhhhhh take the original feed? | 10:07 |
| Helle | yes, that is what I just did | 10:08 |
| Helle | but I can't edit the feed URL, so now I have two feeds | 10:08 |
| Helle | (wondering, it's a sqlite database, where does it live | 10:08 |
| phlixi_o | its not | 10:08 |
| phlixi_o | its a zipped json | 10:09 |
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| phlixi_o | in the download folder | 10:09 |
| phlixi_o | but if you have two, then remove them and add the original one | 10:09 |
| phlixi_o | hmm | 10:11 |
| phlixi_o | in the last update the format changed | 10:11 |
| phlixi_o | its not longer a ziped json | 10:11 |
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| phlixi_o | its sqlite again | 10:13 |
| phlixi_o | Database.minidb | 10:13 |
| phlixi_o | you might end up with duplicate episodes... | 10:13 |
| phlixi_o | but in the end you can always remove the feed and readd it^^^ | 10:14 |
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| bernte | Any chances that TuringPhone will see the light of day? | 10:46 |
| SfietKonstantinW | bernte: dunno | 10:46 |
| SfietKonstantinW | let's see | 10:46 |
| ggabriel | yes | 10:46 |
| ggabriel | I mean, the answer to that question is yes, there are chances | 10:46 |
| ggabriel | the real question is what are those chances | 10:46 |
| ggabriel | but I don't think anybody here knows | 10:46 |
| bernte | If they are trying to get Jolla into the phone, they should have reached out to the community at some point - shouldn't they? | 10:47 |
| bernte | SailfishOS I mean ;-) | 10:47 |
| ggabriel | no, why? | 10:47 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: now that everybody hates Turing since they don't use Android anymore | 10:47 |
| SfietKonstantinW | chances are lower | 10:47 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (lower money) | 10:48 |
| ggabriel | that's a shame... especially if they license it properly they get to run alien dalvik | 10:48 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: they claim to get google play compliance | 10:49 |
| SfietKonstantinW | IMO this only point makes the manufacturer suspicious | 10:49 |
| flux | but turing has Æmæth UI | 10:50 |
| bernte | The thing that makes me most suspicious is that their website (company) is broken and contains 0 information. | 10:50 |
| flux | surely that beats whatever unpronouncable sailfishos release? | 10:50 |
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| ggabriel | I think they struggle to update the website | 10:51 |
| ggabriel | but time will tell | 10:51 |
| ggabriel | it isn't like you buy it anyway, not even preorder it | 10:51 |
| flux | seems pretty sweet, but I'll wait till it can be actually be bought (by someone else first) :) | 10:51 |
| bernte | IF they really release the Hardware, I am the first one to order. Now on Android only because the hardware of Jolla is kind of outdated (I needed a proper camera). | 10:53 |
| flux | seems like that kind of phone might be a bit on the pricey side | 10:53 |
| bernte | But I burnt my fingers on the tablet. So, no preorder from me. :-( | 10:53 |
| bernte | flux, don't care - have my priorities straight ... ;-) | 10:54 |
| SfietKonstantinW | bernte: go Fairphone | 10:54 |
| flux | sadly, it doesn't have keyboard.. :) | 10:54 |
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| bernte | SfietKonstantinW, the camera there is also only 8 MP ... :-((( | 10:55 |
| flux | if only the megapixels told the truth | 10:55 |
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| flux | jolla's 8 MP sucks the bottom ;-( | 10:55 |
| flux | but N9's was decent | 10:56 |
| SfietKonstantinW | flux: it was even great | 10:57 |
| SfietKonstantinW | bernte: go buy a point and shoot | 10:57 |
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| bernte | SfietKonstantinW, just got a Nikon D3000, but when you just had a baby, you might not always have the camera on the 'important moments' .... | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | bernte: no phone camera is going to focus quickly enough for baby pictures | 11:00 |
| ggabriel | just saying | 11:00 |
| ggabriel | you need a proper slr or a decent mirrorless | 11:00 |
| SfietKonstantinW | bernte: I see | 11:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | my solution: do not take photos :D | 11:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (even if I'm chinese) | 11:01 |
| birdzhang | Orz | 11:02 |
| birdzhang | I'm Chinese | 11:03 |
| birdzhang | 😂 | 11:03 |
| SfietKonstantinW | birdzhang: I know :) :P | 11:10 |
| SfietKonstantinW | there is also TMavica around | 11:10 |
| birdzhang | :) | 11:11 |
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| lainwir3d | QMLWeb is quite nice and functionnal | 13:10 |
| lainwir3d | quite surprising | 13:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: i wonder why we cant just use QML rather than some weird QML to JS thing | 13:14 |
| r0kk3rz | after all, html/js is just a runtime | 13:14 |
| lainwir3d | Well it would be better indeed | 13:15 |
| lainwir3d | but qmlweb is a start | 13:15 |
| lainwir3d | but it is not without quirks | 13:16 |
| flux | r0kk3rz, what do you mean 'just use QML'? why don't browsers support QML? | 13:16 |
| flux | + "did you mean that " | 13:17 |
| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: for eg https://github.com/cybercatalyst/methane | 13:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | flux: yeah basically. currently the browser runtime is HTML/JS, not QML/JS | 13:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | but you can dynamically load QML just like you can dynamically load HTML | 13:18 |
| flux | r0kk3rz, well, because nobody has done it :) | 13:18 |
| flux | r0kk3rz, and even if one browser did do it, the others would still need to do it as well to be any serious use | 13:18 |
| Tofe | lainwir3d: I don't really the benefit, as all the c++ parts should be rewritten in JS, which is a bit of a non-sense | 13:18 |
| r0kk3rz | of course | 13:18 |
| flux | all browsers already support js, so it's the best way to actually get something that can be used. | 13:18 |
| tadzik | huh, that's a pretty interesting concept | 13:19 |
| flux | tofe, can't you use emscripten.. :) | 13:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | tadzik: dont you think this would be an awesome way to make dynamic web apps rather than being chained to HTML? | 13:19 |
| tadzik | r0kk3rz: I do indeed | 13:20 |
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| flux | and there was this other new c++-to-js converter around I can't recall the name of | 13:20 |
| Tofe | flux: and then get a js that could have been there from the beginning in the qml project? | 13:20 |
| flux | tofe, well, you get to write it in C++, featuring amazing things like types :) | 13:20 |
| lainwir3d | Tofe: 'cause I hate the html / js / css trio, so even a non-sensical way to run QML is fine by me :P | 13:21 |
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| tadzik | flux: have you tried typescript? :) | 13:21 |
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| flux | no, but I'm well aware of it | 13:21 |
| flux | have you tried writing QML in Typescript?-) | 13:21 |
| Acce | the worst thing in HTML/CSS is positioning IMO | 13:21 |
| tadzik | it's a bit awkward to use with QML, but it's still better :P | 13:22 |
| Acce | which works really well in QML | 13:22 |
| tadzik | flux: not QML in typescript, but I have typescript talking to QML and vice versa :) | 13:22 |
| Tofe | what you want guys is a big canvas with a descriptive file for doing some UI; I'm pretty sure it has already been done? | 13:22 |
| Acce | lainwir3d: has the qmlweb had any recent updates? Last year it seemed awfully quiet.. | 13:23 |
| Tofe | Anyway, if you want to use qmlweb, that's none of my business :) | 13:23 |
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| lainwir3d | Acce: last update seems last august unfortunately, in a github fork | 13:25 |
| lainwir3d | this fork : https://github.com/arnopaehler/qmlweb | 13:25 |
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| flux | btw, just having a second implementation of QML would be a great first step into formalizing its behavior beyond the single implementation of qt. | 13:27 |
| flux | though it seems that's not what's going to happen :) | 13:27 |
| Acce | lainwir3d: oh, ok.. I saw it on projects.kde.org, or here https://github.com/KDE/qmlweb but looks like it's same as the fork | 13:28 |
| lainwir3d | yeah looks like it's the same | 13:29 |
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| lainwir3d | I'm rewriting my blog using it | 13:30 |
| lainwir3d | not sure I'll finish that, at first it was just to test it, but it's starting to look like something so... I figured I'll continue a bit ;-) | 13:31 |
| Acce | I tried it out, but too many things not working that well.. like Repeaters. and I have no time or skill to dive in deep to that code | 13:31 |
| fennekki | QML is | 13:31 |
| fennekki | ...something | 13:31 |
| fennekki | it's definitely something | 13:31 |
| fennekki | there's a lot of things in it that would've been better implemented as a small JS api | 13:32 |
| lainwir3d | Acce: I had to fix something to get ListView working dynamically for me, and it's based on Repeater apparently. | 13:32 |
| fennekki | instead we get faux-elements like timers | 13:32 |
| fennekki | not that I particularly like JS either but It Does the Job I Guess | 13:32 |
| lainwir3d | http://www.lainwir3d.net/blog2/ (source http://www.lainwir3d.net/blog2/qml/main.qml) | 13:33 |
| r0kk3rz | fennekki: if you want that kind of thing, you can just create a timer qml obj in JS | 13:36 |
| r0kk3rz | effectively the same thing, but you dont have this mix of UI qml and logic qml | 13:37 |
| fennekki | mm | 13:37 |
| fennekki | it just feels a bit silly that it's an element in the first place | 13:37 |
| fennekki | I guess it's for easier interop between everything, or something | 13:37 |
| fennekki | can hook to the same timer from JS and C++ and other QML | 13:38 |
| r0kk3rz | fennekki: yeah a little, but qml gets interpreted into cpp objects, and so there is a direct mapping between the cpp api and qml api | 13:38 |
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| Acce | I don't see any problem with invisible / logical elements, you're basically describing objects, which may or may not have a visual representation | 13:44 |
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| Acce | but still they are logically a unit | 13:44 |
| r0kk3rz | Acce: its a little bit jarring coming from a MVC type arrangement, where your ui code is removed from your logic code | 13:46 |
| r0kk3rz | but not a bad thing, i quite like qml really | 13:47 |
| fennekki | it's rather silly to couple logic with UI description that much | 13:47 |
| Acce | well, you could write your non-visual objects in separate files if you wanted to | 13:47 |
| fennekki | I guess I could just create timers on the C++ side, too | 13:47 |
| fennekki | yeah | 13:47 |
| fennekki | or create QML objects in JS as said | 13:47 |
| Acce | but I think that does not really serve a purpose even if you absolutely want to break UI description from logic.. | 13:48 |
| Acce | I think UI logic is also part of the UI | 13:48 |
| lainwir3d | +1 | 13:48 |
| r0kk3rz | to a point for sure | 13:48 |
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| fennekki | it wasn't for UI logic so much as logic I wanted to implement in JS rather than C++ | 13:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | i'm playing around with using qml/js wholesale without a backing cpp/py/go or whatever | 13:49 |
| fennekki | because in C++ I would've had to do a massive amount of boilerplate for the same thing | 13:49 |
| Acce | I see, well, the pure QML apps are different in that way I guess | 13:50 |
| fennekki | I ended up having to do it in C++ anyway in the end because there was no satisfying way to do the thing in QML + JS | 13:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | because using pure qml, you can just go a git clone X; qmlscene main.qml and boom. app is running | 13:51 |
| r0kk3rz | on any platform | 13:51 |
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| fennekki | on any platform that has the Qt support libraries installed | 13:52 |
| fennekki | and any custom QML libraries | 13:52 |
| fennekki | but yeah I get that | 13:52 |
| r0kk3rz | naturally you need the runtime installed, same with *any* computer program | 13:52 |
| fennekki | that said, if someone has ideas on how to use the Qt crypto APIs from JS I'm listening | 13:52 |
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| fennekki | Qt just happens to be a relatively big runtime | 13:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | it is, but it gets you a lot | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | instead of having to download it every time through all the various JS frameworks and toolkits that webapps are made with these days | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | because html is too static, and too light | 13:55 |
| Acce | and CSS is not a cure | 13:57 |
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| fennekki | webapps are sin and must be destroyed | 14:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | 'webapps' are just plain text code you can download and run | 14:04 |
| r0kk3rz | no reason you cant do the same thing with any plain text language, like python, or go | 14:04 |
| fennekki | webapps are sin | 14:05 |
| fennekki | and must be destroyed | 14:05 |
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| phlixi_o | fennekki: wenapps as a cencept are superb. what makes them ugly most of the time is just the implementation details | 15:57 |
| phlixi_o | webapps* | 15:57 |
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| flux | as a concept of uploading part of the ui to client to allow fast responsiveness I agree, it's great | 16:05 |
| flux | as the way how it's done, it's horrible | 16:05 |
| wysiwtf | wen an app feels like a browser without an address bar something went wrong | 16:06 |
| wysiwtf | if | 16:06 |
| SQUelcher | wysiwtf! you're stalking me :P | 16:06 |
| wysiwtf | actually im waiting on my jolla tab refund ;p | 16:07 |
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| tiwake | https://www.khronos.org/news/press/khronos-releases-vulkan-1-0-specification | 16:37 |
| tiwake | vulkan 1.0 specs released | 16:37 |
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| kimmoli | TMavica: pingpong. http://repo.merproject.org/obs//home:/kimmoli:/tohs/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/harbour-ambience-toholed-0.4.17-29.1.armv7hl.rpm | 19:59 |
| kimmoli | TMavica: ^ test that with real sailorgram. or someone else with Sailorgram and Toholed. | 19:59 |
| kimmoli | it reacts only to notification, not to Beep (notificationfg) | 20:00 |
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| eekkelund | kimmoli: works here, thanks:) | 20:11 |
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| eekkelund | except that notification stuck there | 20:15 |
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| kimmoli | ? | 20:21 |
| kimmoli | hmm.. seems so | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | äh | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | fix soon | 20:24 |
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| kimmoli | eekkelund: TMavica: http://repo.merproject.org/obs//home:/kimmoli:/tohs/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/harbour-ambience-toholed-0.4.17-30.1.armv7hl.rpm | 20:30 |
| eekkelund | Now it seems to work, thanks again :) | 20:35 |
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| kimmoli | thanks for testing | 20:35 |
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