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| lolek | hello, does sailfish finally support full phone encryption with sd card encryption? | 07:18 |
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| tbr | don't think so. you could probably manually encrypt the sd card | 07:25 |
| lolek | oh, that's not good | 07:34 |
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| lolek | do you know if there are any plans for it? | 07:34 |
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| tbr | seeing that they haven't updated their development roadmap: https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ | 07:39 |
| tbr | and adding recent turbulent changes, that's impossible to say | 07:39 |
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| locusf | hmm in case Jolla needs further funding options, this might go well: http://www.anorak.co.uk/428124/money/nigerian-astronaut-lost-in-space-needs-3m-to-get-home-could-be-a-scam.html/ | 07:47 |
| lolek | tbr: tbh selinux would be nice | 07:48 |
| lolek | yet currently phone without card and main storage encryption is a no go imho | 07:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | lolek: a lot of things would be nice | 07:49 |
| lolek | r0kk3rz: of course, but I can't imagine I lost phone with my private stuff | 07:49 |
| lolek | nowadays ppl use their phones as computers, access bank accounts, access mails, etc | 07:50 |
| lolek | losing phone means a big problem if there's no encryption | 07:50 |
| lolek | hence - phone without it is a no go | 07:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | theres a bit of security through obscurity. i doubt anyone could defeat the lockscreen | 07:51 |
| lolek | what's so different in it? | 07:51 |
| lolek | I saw standard keypad | 07:51 |
| r0kk3rz | sure. but the tech is unique to jolla | 07:52 |
| lolek | tech? | 07:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | the way it works behind the scenes | 07:52 |
| lolek | could you please show me how it works I mean how to unlock a jolla phone? | 07:52 |
| lolek | well what's behind sceenes is one thing... if you have lock screen without encryption then having it is pointless | 07:53 |
| r0kk3rz | yes and no | 07:53 |
| lolek | how is that? | 07:53 |
| r0kk3rz | the internal partition is btrfs | 07:53 |
| tbr | it at least poses somewhat of an barrier to access and I don't think there is a known way to circumvent it for an individual with zero knowledge about the particular device | 07:53 |
| tbr | I agree encryption would be nice, but jolla just didn't implement it, yet | 07:54 |
| lolek | yeah | 07:54 |
| lolek | r0kk3rz: you've mentioned lock screen, there's something I'd like to show you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucpQ_0iHrWg | 07:55 |
| phlixi | there is apretty simple way to circumvent the lockscreen | 07:59 |
| r0kk3rz | you can social engineer it for sure | 08:01 |
| tappel | hm, lock screen can probably be turned off by tampering with the filesystem in recovery mode at least | 08:02 |
| lolek | r0kk3rz: tbh, all my friends that use either keypad to type pw to unlock the screen or were drawing a shape over keypad are in posistion where everyone can easily unlock their phones. It's enough that I see when he is unlockingdevice, and that's it | 08:02 |
| phlixi | i hadnt found time until now to check if it is related to the tinkerings i did to the phone (not that unlikely), but its not looking above someones shoulder. if it is not related with the tinkering i did, then you can give me a locked jolla and i unlock it in 10 seconds | 08:03 |
| tappel | and as all data can be accessed via the recovery console it's a moot point anyways, anything worth protecting should be encrypted | 08:04 |
| lolek | phlixi++ | 08:04 |
| lolek | tappel++ | 08:04 |
| phlixi | ++? | 08:05 |
| lolek | karma ;) | 08:05 |
| tbr | there are several aspects: if you unlock fastboot, you're SOL | 08:05 |
| tbr | if you enable SSH and set a trivial password: you're SOL | 08:05 |
| lolek | phlixi: in old irc times, there were bots that were counting karma ;) later you could see who's got the highets karma on the channcel, consider it points like on stack ;) | 08:06 |
| tbr | also recovery should ask for the screen lock pin before it lets you in | 08:06 |
| tappel | ah | 08:06 |
| tappel | haven | 08:06 |
| phlixi | thanks :-) | 08:06 |
| lolek | tbr: phone should ask for pin even when somone would try to change it's firmware | 08:06 |
| tbr | phlixi: if you see a way to circumvent it, state it or bring it to jolla's attention | 08:06 |
| tappel | haven't used recovery console on a phone that has a lock screen pin enabled | 08:07 |
| phlixi | the most important bots i remmeber was a quizbot :D | 08:07 |
| lolek | oh, yea ;) | 08:07 |
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| lolek | phlixi: so doing: phlixi++ I was just confirming that I agree with you ;) | 08:07 |
| tbr | lolek: you can only change the firmware from a booted phone | 08:07 |
| fzk | the most important i remember was the autofetching fxp bots :( | 08:07 |
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| phlixi | but talking about it, reminds me on writing jolla about this... why is there so less time? ..g2g ...work work :-) | 08:08 |
| fzk | phlixi: automate your work! | 08:09 |
| phlixi | :D | 08:09 |
| fzk | i did some automation, works very well, colleagues wonder why im drinking coffee and watching the output | 08:09 |
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| tappel | i'd like to automate sitting in meetings so I could concentrate my time on doing actual productive work | 08:10 |
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| fzk | classical meeting before the meeting? | 08:20 |
| fzk | i have noticed meetings are usually worthless and a waste of time if there is no real agenda on what is relevant to communicate | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | insane things in the world: ordinary employees cannot spend company money, but anybody can call a meeting with 20 people.. | 08:23 |
| Bysmyyr | yep, http://www.effectivemeetings.com/diversions/meetingcost.asp | 08:26 |
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| fzk | or use the "all" group mailing list to send junk | 08:41 |
| fzk | "hey look at my new cute baby!" | 08:41 |
| the_mgt | lolek: look into this and pray it is not vaporware: https://www.turingphone.com | 08:43 |
| the_mgt | but I agree with the lack of encrption. I dont use VPN or public key access to ssh servers on my phone, because if it gets lost, someone might take advantage | 08:44 |
| lolek | the_mgt: nice phone, too big for me :( | 08:45 |
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| lolek | tbh even jolla is too big but it's impossible to get something smaller so powerfull | 08:46 |
| tbr | there's also that fairphone2 adaptation | 08:46 |
| the_mgt | agree, but I can not type properly on the jolla phone. my hands are too big and I can not tip a single sms without fugly typos | 08:46 |
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| the_mgt | sometimes there is not a single space in them, just b or v | 08:46 |
| lolek | the_mgt: I've got the oppsite, my hands are too small, and I'm unable to do anything with the device using one hand | 08:47 |
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| the_mgt | lolek: oO "one size fits all"... | 08:47 |
| lolek | yeah, right :) | 08:48 |
| lolek | I don't belive that | 08:48 |
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| lolek | the_mgt: same with the cars :/ | 08:48 |
| the_mgt | haha. yes. but the all our recent cars had seats with height adjustment. and driving wheels that you can move around | 08:49 |
| lolek | yet it's even bigger problem as with the phone you can use second hand (not always but at least), while with the car if it's not for you, then you may have problems pressing break pedals | 08:50 |
| lolek | the_mgt: well I can give you a sample, it's not like this ;) | 08:50 |
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| lolek | the_mgt: my lady, she's small, no problem to adjust seats in: citroen c4, mazda 3, renault laguna, nissan quashqai, in opposite, no way to adjust position in Ford Focus, Renault Clio, | 08:50 |
| lolek | of course we're talking about cars that are no older than 10 years | 08:51 |
| lolek | or even less if it's about Focus, Clio, C4 | 08:51 |
| lolek | for example in Focus, no way to press break or clutch pedal - i.e. can't drive it | 08:52 |
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| the_mgt | lolek: :D I cant remember driving a Ford ever, but french car makers need to be destroyed | 08:54 |
| lolek | hahah, why's that?:) | 08:54 |
| the_mgt | build quality, overall handling, and I can not hit the break pedal when I wear larger shoes. they barely fit between clutch and gas pedal | 08:55 |
| lolek | well seems that's you've got the opposite problems ;) | 08:55 |
| the_mgt | yep. maybe french people are smaller in general, I have no trouble in cars from the vw group | 08:56 |
| lolek | and about build quality well.. at least they don't get gangrene like mazda does :/ (gangrene - rust) | 08:56 |
| the_mgt | but everything else falls apart. they don't get old enough for rust | 08:57 |
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| jonwil | As an Australian if I wanted a regular ordinary a-b car I would take a car from a Japanese company like Mazda or Toyota or Nissan or Honda over anything from Europe (French, German or otherwise) | 09:13 |
| lolek | jonwil: well I'm not surprised, well maybe only with why would you want to buy a-b car instead of c-d?:) | 09:14 |
| fzk | what you need is a volvo 850 | 09:18 |
| fzk | then you install a truck turbo in it | 09:18 |
| fzk | wroom | 09:18 |
| r0kk3rz | jonwil: thats because parts are expensive in aus for euro cars | 09:19 |
| r0kk3rz | fzk: us aussies like our v8s, dont need no diesels | 09:20 |
| fzk | r0kk3rz: you go for gas or ethanol if you want | 09:20 |
| fzk | i run my saab on ethanol, gives nicer compression when revving | 09:21 |
| r0kk3rz | interesting | 09:22 |
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| fzk | just need to convince my woman to change the turbo and map it :( | 09:23 |
| fzk | her excuse is: buy toys to the kids instead | 09:24 |
| lolek | lol | 09:24 |
| lolek | fzk: you can tell her: yeah it's for the kids when they grow up :D | 09:24 |
| fzk | lol | 09:24 |
| * phdeswer wonders what is a b car. That is some classification I have never heard of | 09:26 | |
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| jonwil | I mean a car for going from a to b | 09:26 |
| locusf | is this something like hotels for sleeping? | 09:27 |
| jonwil | Scandinavian cars are cool :) | 09:28 |
| r0kk3rz | fzk: one of the best toys a kid can have is an awesome dad | 09:28 |
| jonwil | I ride in Volvos on a regular basis :) | 09:29 |
| fzk | hmm, i have not decided yet, mine is too small | 09:29 |
| jonwil | Volvo buses that is :) | 09:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | phdeswer: in aus, car enthusiasts will typically own two (or more) cars, one as their daily drive, and one as their mental fun thing | 09:30 |
| jonwil | Very nice buses they are too | 09:30 |
| phdeswer | jonwil, ah ok :) | 09:30 |
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| phdeswer | r0kk3rz, I love the aussies for their off-road cars. Half the stuff on my Nissan comes from there. | 09:30 |
| r0kk3rz | phdeswer: you got a navarra or something? | 09:31 |
| phdeswer | Old Patrol. Y60 or GQ in AUS | 09:31 |
| r0kk3rz | ah nice | 09:32 |
| jonwil | The Japanese make the best go-anywhere 4x4s | 09:32 |
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| jonwil | I will never understand why any sane person would buy a Jeep instead of something Japanese and better... | 09:33 |
| phdeswer | jonwil, more or less. The Defender and G-wagen are pretty decent too. Unfortunately these days there is only the Suzuki Jimny and the G anymore if you want a new 4x4. All the rest has morphed into SUV's :( | 09:33 |
| jonwil | You can still get | 09:33 |
| jonwil | You can still get | 09:33 |
| phdeswer | jonwil, after my experiences with US cars I can't understand US car companies are still in business.... | 09:33 |
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| jonwil | A current model 200 series Cruiser is still VERY capable off-road | 09:34 |
| jonwil | or a current model 70 series for that matter | 09:35 |
| phdeswer | jonwil, well there in Africa and AUS you can still get the 70's series and Y61/GU patrol... And yes the Discovery and latest landcruisers are still very capable but not in the same leage anymore as the older ones. | 09:35 |
| jonwil | Yeah there are certain models of LandCruiser that are tough enough to take you to hell and back, simple enough that any bush mechanic can fix em if they break and common enough that said mechanic is likely to have parts on hand | 09:36 |
| jonwil | By far the coolest car anyone I know owns is a blue Holden Ute :) | 09:37 |
| jonwil | and yes they use it for its intended purpose of hauling stuff (they do maintanence work and things which is why they bought the Ute :) | 09:38 |
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| * phdeswer tries to remember what actual brand is behind Holden again... | 09:39 | |
| r0kk3rz | theres a daewoo thing with dual range gearbodx you can still buy | 09:39 |
| jonwil | GM owns Holden | 09:39 |
| r0kk3rz | jonwil: 'intended purpose' you mean burnouts? and general sillyness | 09:40 |
| r0kk3rz | thats what holden utes are for | 09:40 |
| kjetilho | phdeswer: Holden has some of the same models as Opel and Vauxhall | 09:41 |
| phdeswer | Yep looked it up, seems they do about everybody based on wikipedia... | 09:42 |
| phdeswer | Chevrolet too... *shudders* | 09:42 |
| kjetilho | and Daewoo | 09:42 |
| r0kk3rz | its gm, they rebadge everything gm to other markets | 09:42 |
| kjetilho | Daewoo Astra | 09:42 |
| r0kk3rz | they introduced opel as a brand to australia despite selling open cars under holden for years | 09:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | because 'oooh look german engineering' | 09:43 |
| the_mgt | and they introduced other brands to germany, although Opel is based here | 09:43 |
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| the_mgt | Opel is generally only seen as hallmark of "german engineering" by a tiny fraction of germans | 09:44 |
| phdeswer | Opels are pretty ok, I have a recent Astra myself. Was the best regular road car I could afford when I needed tp replace the old one. | 09:46 |
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| the_mgt | I am somewhat biased, I live and was raised around the Hannover area in germany. everything is volkswagen, audi or skoda here. the used car marked is so full of them, you only buy something else if you were indoctrinated by your parents to buy something else | 09:47 |
| r0kk3rz | the_mgt: at least you guys predominantly buy german cars | 09:48 |
| r0kk3rz | we dont have a car industry anymore because nobody was buying aus made cars | 09:48 |
| kjetilho | no BMW or Mercedes? tsk tsk | 09:48 |
| the_mgt | r0kk3rz: yeah, spareparts are everywhere on junkyards and it seems as if mechanics grow on trees here | 09:49 |
| the_mgt | kjetilho: only if you want to feel distinguished by wealth (either one of both), you are a farmer (mercedes) or of turkish descent (bmw) | 09:50 |
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| phdeswer | VW/skoda are good quality but horrible to drive (not to mention they seem to manage to put the B pillar in my line of sight every time), French cars are fun but rattle, are noisy and frail, Italians flashy but otherwise like French, US cars are plain horrible (and top the failure rates at the first inspection here), Saab was good but going out of business, Kia was a positive surprise but there was something lacking still, Toyot | 09:51 |
| phdeswer | a and Nissan did not really have anything exciting back then | 09:51 |
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| phdeswer | the_mgt, I remember the biases. Ingolstad == audi town, Stuttgart == Mercedes, ... | 09:52 |
| the_mgt | phdeswer: the frenchcars I was driving are all like minitanks/scout cars. there is freaking pillar everywhere in your line of sight and the blind spot is large enough to hide all three death stars together | 09:52 |
| the_mgt | but in general I agree with your analysis | 09:53 |
| phdeswer | the_mgt, I think the pillar problem is size related very often. But the general trend is less visibility in modern cars than in older ones | 09:54 |
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| phdeswer | And with size related, I mean the measurements of the driver. | 09:56 |
| phdeswer | As they have been making some of those pillars freaking huge sometimes also... | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | phdeswer: isnt that mostly safety and aero related? | 09:57 |
| Tegu | and rear windows are getting smaller as well.. (probbly aero thing) | 09:57 |
| tbr | the dauphine was quite nice... | 09:58 |
| phdeswer | r0kk3rz, partly yes, I guess there is also some design stuff | 09:58 |
| * phdeswer likes tbr's Volvo more ;) | 09:58 | |
| tbr | :> | 09:59 |
| tbr | even comes with a safari window for the driver | 09:59 |
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| phdeswer | Tegu, I think sometimes it is a plot to make you buy reversing cameras ;) | 10:03 |
| Tegu | hah | 10:04 |
| tbr | I have bought two cameras and a dual-LCD rearview mirror display | 10:04 |
| kjetilho | Tegu: yeah, it's annoying since the wiper has to be so short only a small fraction is cleared, too. | 10:04 |
| Tegu | kjetilho: yea those look funny on the road :D | 10:05 |
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| the_mgt | phdeswer: yep, it is size related. currently, we own a Roomster and it is like driving in a greenhouse. there is so much visibilty, especially in the back | 10:31 |
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| temmi_hoo | hah | 10:44 |
| temmi_hoo | i have two saab 9000 for daily driving | 10:44 |
| temmi_hoo | eat that | 10:44 |
| temmi_hoo | pretty easy to maintain and repair, surprisingly easy for having fwd with engine the wrong way and being tilted | 10:45 |
| fzk | i find the 9-3 very comfy for daily use | 10:46 |
| fzk | (not the buggy ones from pre 2005) | 10:46 |
| temmi_hoo | old 9-3 or new 9-3? | 10:46 |
| fzk | new | 10:46 |
| temmi_hoo | ah | 10:46 |
| temmi_hoo | new 9-3 stw looks nice | 10:46 |
| fzk | the looks from 2008 and forward->LOL | 10:47 |
| temmi_hoo | we might or might not speak of the same period :) i'm not too familiar with them new flashy black hat friendly cars with canbus | 10:48 |
| mdxth | i have 2008 9-5 :) | 10:48 |
| temmi_hoo | dame edna? | 10:48 |
| mdxth | i guess os | 10:49 |
| mdxth | so | 10:49 |
| temmi_hoo | yes, with those fancy eyeframes | 10:49 |
| temmi_hoo | was it available with xwd? | 10:49 |
| fzk | i really want a 9-3x but those are extremely rare in .se | 10:50 |
| temmi_hoo | apparently no, only 9-3 turbo x | 10:50 |
| fzk | all saabs are turbo ;) | 10:50 |
| temmi_hoo | later ones yes | 10:50 |
| fzk | iirc all after 900 | 10:51 |
| temmi_hoo | i've had a 1995 nonturbo 9000 | 10:51 |
| fzk | lol what | 10:51 |
| fzk | was that standard? | 10:52 |
| mdxth | yep | 10:52 |
| temmi_hoo | that was the "my boss wants to buy me a nice car with least amount of money" option | 10:52 |
| mdxth | my parents had two nonturbo 9k | 10:52 |
| fzk | ive never heard of a non turbo saab tbh | 10:53 |
| mdxth | and some 900 without turbo | 10:53 |
| temmi_hoo | mine 9k are turbo 2.0 | 10:53 |
| mdxth | also one 900 with turbo :D | 10:53 |
| fzk | mine is with the low pressure turbo :-/ | 10:53 |
| temmi_hoo | other is manual and feeds on e85 and other is automagick and eats regular petrol | 10:53 |
| fzk | ^ i have this | 10:53 |
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| temmi_hoo | the manual e85 is also stage1 | 10:54 |
| fzk | but you can run almost all petrol cars on e85/e100 | 10:54 |
| temmi_hoo | fzk well yes you can but the maps aren't optimal for it | 10:54 |
| fzk | not optimal and might require you to change a few hoses etc | 10:54 |
| fzk | temmi_hoo: true | 10:54 |
| temmi_hoo | for trionic5 you can pretty easily replace the injection and ignition maps and that's it | 10:54 |
| temmi_hoo | all hoses are just fine | 10:54 |
| temmi_hoo | => i got around 220 projected tame horses based on what the ecu mapping program says | 10:55 |
| temmi_hoo | t5.5 doesn't have enough storage for two fuel maps and doesn't have enough oomph to interpolate so i'm stuck with e85 until i replace the ecu with another one that has petrol maps | 10:57 |
| temmi_hoo | not that i'd want to do that | 10:57 |
| temmi_hoo | anyway it is not flexfuel :% | 10:58 |
| fzk | i want to test with e100 but nobody sellls it here | 10:59 |
| temmi_hoo | that would be sweet | 10:59 |
| fzk | guess i could destilate my own | 10:59 |
| temmi_hoo | +1 | 10:59 |
| fzk | e100 is good, you can get drunk on it too | 10:59 |
| temmi_hoo | :D | 10:59 |
| temmi_hoo | anyway ethanol doesn't knock easily so you can put as much boost pressure as your turbo can provide | 11:00 |
| temmi_hoo | well, flow really | 11:00 |
| temmi_hoo | maximizing pressure isn't optimal | 11:00 |
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| lolek | lol, and all that conv started from "turingphone is too big" :D | 12:13 |
| Tegu | you mentioned cars first :) | 12:17 |
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| mcfrisk | hmm, 64 gig sdcard with ext4 stopped working today. dmesg shows "mmc1: mmc_sd_init_card() failure (err = -110)" and "mmc1: error -110 whilst initialising SD card" | 23:34 |
| mcfrisk | reboots and re-inserting it don't seem to help. | 23:35 |
| Helle | mcfrisk: that tends to me "not responding" | 23:35 |
| Helle | might be bad contacts | 23:35 |
| mcfrisk | scrub them like battery contacts too? | 23:35 |
| Helle | mcfrisk: if you use a soft latex gum to do that, probably | 23:35 |
| mcfrisk | ok I'll give that a try, tricky to get to the pins though. | 23:36 |
| Helle | probably enough to do the card | 23:36 |
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