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| altker128 | Hey, sorry for the dumb question, does the sailfish-os porters channel still exist? | 02:46 |
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| lpotter | altker128: #sailfoshos-porters | 02:49 |
| lpotter | gah #sailfishos-porters | 02:50 |
| altker128 | Thanks! | 02:50 |
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| tappel | actually, i didn't factory reset my jolla yet, but i'm starting to think that it's somehow physically broken | 07:15 |
| tappel | because the Jolla logo does not show at boot, not even in the recovery mode | 07:15 |
| tappel | any insight, anyone? could this be a software issue? does the recovery mode load the same kernel and display driver modules as the regular boot? | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | jolla logo comes from bootloader | 07:17 |
| tappel | okay | 07:17 |
| tappel | so, physically broken | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't sound too good | 07:18 |
| tappel | it's covered by warranty but it's a bit of pain when the company barely exists | 07:22 |
| pp__ | yea, I suppose mobylife might have some spare new ones | 07:23 |
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| entil | good news about the turing phone! | 08:32 |
| birdzhang | good news | 08:32 |
| Jope | hehe, I love it how the PoV differs :.-D | 08:32 |
| entil | too bad there's nothing about price or release schedules | 08:32 |
| ln- | but turing was a convicted criminal | 08:32 |
| Jope | I read an android related blog posting and they were all disappointed :-) | 08:32 |
| Helle | ln-: he got an official appology, also, only in the anglophone world | 08:32 |
| entil | they should've named it after an unconvicted war criminal, like any recent president of the united states | 08:33 |
| entil | or maybe a rebel, like thomas jefferson or osama bin laden | 08:33 |
| entil | so now that the trolling's out of the way... | 08:33 |
| entil | did anyone catch anything on the turing phone's price or delivery date?-) | 08:33 |
| kimmoli | Turing was mentioned to be in >500$ and another device in >800$ range (USD) | 08:34 |
| entil | and when the phone ships with sailfish, does that mean it gets alien dalvik? | 08:34 |
| kimmoli | delivery April 2016 (yeah sure) | 08:34 |
| entil | kimmoli: "työnantaja maksaa" | 08:34 |
| entil | april would be very nice | 08:34 |
| Jope | it might not automatically mean that it gets alien | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | entil: usually you can't ship a sailfish commercially with just the porters kit | 08:34 |
| entil | that's like the most obvious way for jolla to make buck$ | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | entil: due to licenses etc | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | so if there was opportunity for alien dalvik license, wouldn't most take it? | 08:35 |
| Helle | entil: Alien Dalvik is a seperate license (seperate company) | 08:35 |
| entil | Stskeeps: I'm sure the community would be open to paying for the licenses | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:35 |
| entil | Helle: that's a retail opportunity | 08:35 |
| Helle | still wish I could revert the phone to the 1.x UI.... 2.x doesn't quite work as "nicely" | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | Helle: not exactly.. part of commercial license of sailfishos | 08:36 |
| Helle | but I might just tweak the things | 08:36 |
| Helle | Stskeeps: yeah, but you could license Alien Dalvik on it's own, right ? | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | probably but not for sailfish | 08:36 |
| Helle | from non-Jolla | 08:36 |
| Helle | yeah, ignoring Sailfish specifics | 08:36 |
| tappel | I prefer the 1.x UI too | 08:41 |
| * kjetilho loves the 2.x UI. now, if they fixed the covers to include a recognisable icon ... | 08:41 | |
| Yaniel | there are some aspects of the 2.x one I find better | 08:41 |
| tappel | but the 2.x isn't too bad either | 08:41 |
| Yaniel | but the swipiness of 1.x was in its own class | 08:41 |
| tappel | I liked when I could switch to silent blindly with haptic feedback | 08:42 |
| tappel | and when top edge swipe was all that was needed to turn the screen off | 08:42 |
| tappel | but otherwise no complaints about 2.x | 08:42 |
| kjetilho | why top edge swipe when you have the button on the side? | 08:43 |
| tappel | well, it's somehow very intuitive | 08:43 |
| tappel | "close eyes" | 08:43 |
| Jope | sure, but slower than clicking a button :-) | 08:44 |
| kjetilho | it's a waste of gesture :) | 08:44 |
| Jope | I rarely use double tap to wake either | 08:44 |
| Jope | the button is under my finger when I hold a phone | 08:44 |
| Jope | even though my sony does double tap to wake too | 08:44 |
| Yaniel | not for me | 08:44 |
| tappel | new microsoft lumias also do double tap wake | 08:44 |
| Yaniel | I have to change the way I hold the phone in order to reach the buttons | 08:44 |
| Yaniel | so swiping is much faster - and safer | 08:45 |
| Yaniel | as I can keep my good grip on the phone instead of juggling it around | 08:45 |
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| kjetilho | I have to change the way I hold the phone to do a top edge swipe, it's very hard to do onehanded | 08:45 |
| kimmoli | phone on desk; double tap to unlock and swipe to close are muuuuuuuuch better than buttons in side | 08:45 |
| kjetilho | oh, double tap on screen? that's a misfeature I'd love to be able to turn off | 08:46 |
| kjetilho | when the screen is black, it should not respond | 08:47 |
| tappel | these all should be configurable (in fact they probably are hackable) | 08:47 |
| kjetilho | I use double-click on button to wake | 08:47 |
| Yaniel | kjetilho: by that logic power buttons with builtin indicator leds should not do anything | 08:47 |
| kjetilho | Yaniel: a button is not a screen | 08:48 |
| Yaniel | "if the display (here the LED) is off, it should not respond" | 08:48 |
| kjetilho | I wonder how much power is used to keep the touch sensor active at all time? | 08:48 |
| kimmoli | äh | 08:48 |
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| spiiroin | kjetilho: touch sensor is powered on only if proximity sensor is not covered | 08:56 |
| spiiroin | kjetilho: you can also do "mcetool --set-doubletap-wakeup=never" to disable the whole feature | 08:57 |
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| citylight2 | hi, I see bluetoth-next in the kernel repository , but what is this project? is it replasing bluez? | 09:19 |
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| citylight2 | replacing | 09:19 |
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| sharix | Has anybody tried "marble maps" on SfOS (JP)? | 16:13 |
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| ggabriel | is that the kde one? | 16:14 |
| sharix | ggabriel: yup | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | yup, tried it | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | works ok | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | but lacks many features and UX is a bit inconsistent | 16:14 |
| sharix | ggabriel: Does offline navigation work? | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | no | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | there is no such option | 16:14 |
| sharix | :-( | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | if memory serves me right | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | HERE for android works ok for offline navigation | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | and runs well on the jolla too | 16:15 |
| sharix | So, we have "here maps", "maep", "modrana" "poor maps (or the like)", and now marble. But none makes sense IMHO | 16:15 |
| sharix | ggabriel: "for adnroid" | 16:16 |
| sharix | Unbelievable why the nativ version lacks this most important feature... | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | I was just suggesting something if you needed offline navigation | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | it's been exmplained that the API for that is not provided | 16:16 |
| sharix | ggabriel: Thanks, I'll try/purchase that | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | it's free :) | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | you do need to sideload the apk though, or get google play or something | 16:17 |
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| sharix | ggabriel: I'm not aware of "sideload", google play for sure will not poisn my JP ;-) | 16:18 |
| sharix | I'd love to pay some bucks for quality software! | 16:18 |
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| EYeA | Jolla )01!@ )0h | 16:19 |
| r0kk3rz | sharix: offline navigation is hard | 16:20 |
| sharix | I'd need a calendar, a Mal User Agent, a PhoneBook/Dialer, a offline navigation solution – each 20 bucks, but even 50 bucks each is better than the alternatives currently available | 16:20 |
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| sharix | r0kk3rz: I purchased Sygic for S60. 2 time, both HW constrained... But basically, it always did exactly what it should | 16:21 |
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| kjetilho | gah. is it just me, or is everything Google does just getting worse and worse? now: Google Groups (I wanted to check on status of Osmand) | 16:25 |
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| chem|st | kjetilho: google will change its logo to a G shaped umbrella in the future what do you think? | 16:32 |
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| sharix | Yeah, and Alphabet will rename again, to MomCorp ;-) | 16:34 |
| chem|st | sharix: sideload as in, use a download from google service to download the apk, it is not available for jolla anyway so you need to do that | 16:35 |
| kjetilho | this fascination with web pages sideloading(!) content via "asynchronous" JavaScript needs to stop | 16:35 |
| kjetilho | it just makes everything slower and more prone to fail | 16:35 |
| sharix | chem|st: Thanks, If I got it right, it just means I'll have to bother racoon to get me what I want? | 16:36 |
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| Helle | chem|st: nah, Google logo will end up being "a-G-z" indicating it's just the G in the company owning everything, yes, including you | 16:38 |
| chem|st | Helle: you do not own a phone with android and gservices now, why should that be a surprise in the future? | 16:39 |
| chem|st | sharix: racoon is a city... | 16:39 |
| chem|st | there is the google research facility | 16:39 |
| sharix | chem|st: Nope, a fabulous IKEv1 daemon ;-) | 16:39 |
| kjetilho | "fabuolous" ... | 16:40 |
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| chem|st | sharix: lol | 16:42 |
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| chem|st | kjetilho: js sideloading should be forbidden hardcoded into browsers | 16:45 |
| chem|st | or developers never learn to not do such BS | 16:45 |
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| Lieke_ | i'd vote for no JS whatsoever, but that's just me | 16:45 |
| chem|st | Lieke_: I am with you | 16:46 |
| chem|st | I'd extend to Java | 16:46 |
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| sharix | Hmm, just saw Sygic for android seems to depend on playstore. Is it generally possible to circumvent smoehow; Or app dependent possible? Or out of luck for such apps? | 16:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | sharix: its also on amazon store, so wont need play services i'd hope | 16:52 |
| ggabriel | is it? nice | 16:52 |
| r0kk3rz | so just get apk, install | 16:53 |
| sharix | r0kk3rz: I saw that, but I'd need "amazon underground", do I? | 16:53 |
| r0kk3rz | sharix: send them an email, they might be willing to sell it to you without going through a store | 16:56 |
| r0kk3rz | you'd expect that since its a paid app that it would be hooked into whatever DRM those stores have | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | it's free... | 16:57 |
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| sharix | r0kk3rz: I'll try, but all I found is a "free" version, with in-app purchase options. I'd prefer to pay and stay offline | 16:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | then thats easy | 16:59 |
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| sharix | http://help.sygic.com/hc/en-us/articles/205920468-Compatibility-Requirements | 17:02 |
| * sharix is not amused | 17:03 | |
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| chem|st | sharix: nokia here does not need gservice, get the apk download maps you need set to offline, have fun | 17:41 |
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| sharix | chem|st: good to know, but I can't purchase. There's no free lunch... I don't have recources to frequently check what the "free" app is doing since last update... | 17:45 |
| Tegu | nokia here is free, isn't it? | 17:45 |
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| kjetilho | is there an app or otherwise for killing of run-away processes? | 18:04 |
| kjetilho | or services. e.g., messageserver5 ... | 18:05 |
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| phlixi | dev mode and fingerterm? | 18:06 |
| kjetilho | preferably BEFORE it has killed my battery | 18:10 |
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| kjetilho | strange, doesn't even react to SIGTERM. strace as nemo is not allowed. strace as root shows it is busy-looping without doing system calls. | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | that doesn't sound healthy towards your emmc | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | kill -9 is probably suitable in that case | 18:12 |
| kjetilho | kill -QUIT worked | 18:13 |
| kjetilho | same same | 18:13 |
| kjetilho | Stskeeps: how can it be unhealthy for my eMMC if it is not doing syscalls? | 18:14 |
| chem|st | kjetilho: msgsrv5 dies on its own so often that it doesn't matter to me^^ | 18:15 |
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| chem|st | sharix: then do not update! | 18:15 |
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| chem|st | kjetilho: you need to be privileged user or root for most things with real data behind it | 18:16 |
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