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| citylight2 | so, is anyone back home from FOSDEM? | 09:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | citylight2: not yet | 09:40 |
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| locusf | home is still 12h away :p | 09:41 |
| locusf | my flight got cancelled and gotta take a later flight back | 09:41 |
| lainwir3d | o/ | 09:41 |
| citylight2 | so, was there any other news to a jolla end user beyond fairphone2 being able to run sailos? | 09:45 |
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| citylight2 | 2) is anyone else having problem setting up a google calender event via the jolla calender? | 09:45 |
| citylight2 | I did a full factory restore and the issue persist | 09:46 |
| r0kk3rz | citylight2: not really, there was more info about community translations but thats it | 09:46 |
| Smar | citylight2: intex? | 09:48 |
| citylight2 | did you hold an intex? | 09:48 |
| citylight2 | was there any other mobile news? | 09:49 |
| r0kk3rz | didnt see intex, saw sailfishos fp2 | 09:49 |
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| citylight2 | what is fp2? | 09:50 |
| citylight2 | is it a sexual thing? or a tablet thing? | 09:50 |
| the_mgt | fairphone2, i guess | 09:50 |
| r0kk3rz | there wasnt a big official jolla presence so no announcements | 09:50 |
| r0kk3rz | oh, i also held the mystical rare jolla tablet. very nice | 09:51 |
| citylight2 | did you get to keep it? | 09:51 |
| locusf | a preproduction hardware even :) | 09:51 |
| citylight2 | did they bring a box and sold them by the piece? | 09:52 |
| citylight2 | guess that would bank more then the food trucks | 09:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | other big news comes from sony, apparently they are unifying their kernels so one sailfishos port for all sony device | 09:54 |
| locusf | + freedreno | 09:54 |
| locusf | at least no more libhybris for graphics | 09:54 |
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| stephg | which is totally bonkers and amazing if you thikn about it | 09:55 |
| Smar | citylight2: afaik intex phone will be announced at some big happening in near future | 09:55 |
| Smar | forgot its name, use your search engine or something :P | 09:55 |
| r0kk3rz | stephg: its a massive breakthrough imo | 09:55 |
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| citylight2 | r0kk3rz: you mean the sony phones? | 09:57 |
| citylight2 | or the TV? | 09:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | phones + tablets | 09:57 |
| stephg | r0kk3rz yeh def | 09:58 |
| citylight2 | so we like sony, do we still hate philips? | 09:58 |
| the_mgt | I hate philips with a passion | 09:58 |
| locusf | its also the whole qcom soc support | 09:59 |
| locusf | per platform | 09:59 |
| citylight2 | out to eat | 09:59 |
| the_mgt | btw, are there any tizen tablets with open sources? | 09:59 |
| locusf | + of course mainline kernel stuff from qcom & sony | 09:59 |
| locusf | so you can use mainline with device .dt to run on sony and other qcom soc devices | 09:59 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: even asking for tizen... | 10:01 |
| the_mgt | not for tizen, but for sources. would make porting easier, no? | 10:01 |
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| chem|st | the_mgt: I will not buy a Samsung device any time soon | 10:01 |
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| chem|st | even if I am able to replace their system | 10:02 |
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| * rigo is happy that chem|st starts to understand my pledge to keep jolla hardware available | 10:07 | |
| r0kk3rz | rigo: yeah thats not going to happen, jolla hw is done | 10:12 |
| Jope | just do adaptations to hw that is mass produced and life will be better | 10:16 |
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| entil | I got nothing to do with jolla's business, but I was mulling over the whole android compatibility layer | 10:35 |
| entil | if these 3rd party ways of running android become more prominent, it might actually make sense to make the whole stack available and go into the same kind of business model as linux distro vendors | 10:36 |
| entil | like support deals, maybe paid features, etc | 10:36 |
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| tango_ | entil: android support in sailfish os is via a proprietary shim not developed by jolla | 10:57 |
| entil | not developed by jolla is probably new to me, I heard it's jolla proprietary | 10:58 |
| pp__ | http://www.myriadgroup.com/en/products/device-solutions/mobile-software/alien-dalvik/ | 10:59 |
| entil | maybe jolla could retail that to community ports | 11:00 |
| entil | I'd probably get a fairphone or somesuch with sailfish and even pay just a little jolla's way to get it going | 11:01 |
| entil | too bad jolla store doesn't support doing business with apps :P | 11:01 |
| rigo | r0kk3rz: I'm not sure yet, because more and more people start to understand the threat | 11:02 |
| rigo | entil: :(( yes, that's the issue | 11:02 |
| rigo | so in love with the system that they forgot to build the money-making part. This is unlike, but not very viable | 11:03 |
| entil | not sure exactly that is the reason they don't support transactions on the store, I'd guess it's because they want people to use the apps available - ie. everyone wanting money might deter people from installing | 11:04 |
| entil | this time around, when they have an app in-house that they can sell (if the deal with myriad allows it), it kinda bit them on the ass | 11:04 |
| phlixi | i have no doubt there is no transaction thing in the store, because of effort to implement | 11:09 |
| phlixi | there are 1000 things to do, they barely get the minimum done. | 11:10 |
| entil | online shopping's not that hard a problem in recent years | 11:10 |
| entil | that's why I think it's something else than just writing it up | 11:10 |
| phlixi | every of those 1000 problems is not THAT hard today... | 11:10 |
| phlixi | nad yes, online shopping IS hard to do, as soon as you have customers from multiple nations | 11:11 |
| phlixi | its actually not that easy | 11:11 |
| entil | I'm sure there's even opensource code for it, but whatever, doesn't matter now | 11:12 |
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| citylight2 | I try to touch /home/nemo/.profiled/custom.ini.tmp and get | 11:20 |
| citylight2 | touch: cannot touch `/home/nemo/.profiled/custom.ini.tmp': No space left on device | 11:20 |
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| citylight2 | yet df -h shows all file systems are below %50, so what is wrong? | 11:21 |
| roboro | welcome to btrfs citylight2 | 11:21 |
| citylight2 | what to do? | 11:21 |
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| roboro | mmmm it depends on how bad your situation is... there are some TJC posts on this | 11:23 |
| roboro | hold on a second | 11:23 |
| roboro | https://together.jolla.com/question/121197/disk-full-unable-to-delete-or-balance-read-only/ | 11:23 |
| roboro | that was once | 11:23 |
| roboro | https://together.jolla.com/question/79787/strange-no-space-left-on-device-while-having-50-free/ | 11:24 |
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| stephg | citylight2: btrfs fi sh | 11:24 |
| stephg | you can try a balance, but you may need to delete some files | 11:24 |
| roboro | This is the best article: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 11:24 |
| citylight2 | btrfs-balancer allocation say 33% allocated | 11:25 |
| stephg | citylight2: use roboro's link above | 11:25 |
| stephg | what is the output of btrfs fi sh | 11:25 |
| citylight2 | ERROR: unable get label Inappropriate ioctl for device | 11:26 |
| citylight2 | Label: 'sailfish' uuid: 86180ca0-d351-4551-b262-22b49e1adf47 | 11:26 |
| citylight2 | Total devices 1 FS bytes used 2.84GiB | 11:26 |
| citylight2 | devid 1 size 13.75GiB used 4.59GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 11:26 |
| citylight2 | Btrfs v3.16 | 11:26 |
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| * roboro wishes that Jolla had gone with a slightly more sane file system... btrfs is a bugger to make sense of | 11:27 | |
| citylight2 | ERROR: error during balancing '/' - No space left on device | 11:28 |
| citylight2 | odd | 11:28 |
| stephg | erm | 11:29 |
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| stephg | that's not looking great | 11:29 |
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| citylight2 | yep, I also see this: | 11:29 |
| citylight2 | http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?936376 | 11:30 |
| citylight2 | which looks like a kernel bug | 11:30 |
| roboro | so I ran into something similar... you end up having to boot into rescue mode and mount there and clean up like that... | 11:31 |
| citylight2 | how to rescue | 11:31 |
| roboro | before you do this... backup your /dev/mmcblk0p28 partition | 11:31 |
| roboro | I lost mine and had to get some more heavy handed help | 11:32 |
| citylight2 | how to boot to rescue mode? | 11:32 |
| roboro | https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ | 11:33 |
| roboro | also see https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-Jolla-Phone-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode- | 11:35 |
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| roboro | don't rush to use the brrfs repair function | 11:35 |
| roboro | that thing is trouble imho | 11:35 |
| roboro | before you do anything... dd copy the mmcblk0p28 partition to a large sdcard... or if you're clued up do a dd copy using netcat to copy the partition to your hard disk on your computer | 11:38 |
| roboro | if things go wrong and you need to reflash... you want this image available... | 11:38 |
| yestoall | (and make sure the sd card is ext4) | 11:39 |
| roboro | yeah good thinking | 11:39 |
| roboro | there really should be a nice backup/reflash option in the recovery menu | 11:39 |
| roboro | to help less technical people do this stuff | 11:39 |
| yestoall | +1 | 11:40 |
| roboro | it would also just be an awesome thing to be able to do just before a major upgrade or anything | 11:40 |
| roboro | but its such a ballache to do it manually that one tends to avoid doing it | 11:40 |
| roboro | I'm trying to find someone who has documented the process of backing up that partition... but I can't find anything really | 11:42 |
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| roboro | the best I can offer is coderus's very handy instructions on reflashing: https://coderus.openrepos.net/jollarecovery/README.html | 11:43 |
| yestoall | mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mysd | 11:43 |
| yestoall | dd if=/dev/mmcblk0p28 of=/mysd/fullbackup20160118.img | 11:43 |
| roboro | yep | 11:43 |
| roboro | thanks yestoall | 11:44 |
| roboro | was going to get to that :D | 11:44 |
| yestoall | as you can see, I did that on Jan 18 :-) | 11:44 |
| yestoall | and the phone did not explode. | 11:44 |
| roboro | heh | 11:45 |
| roboro | its a very good thing to get into the habit of doing on occassion | 11:45 |
| roboro | can save a lot of pain | 11:45 |
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| roboro | citylight2: I feel your pain... good luck... and if you need help... don't hesitate to post here... there are a lot of people who can help you | 11:46 |
| citylight2 | #btrfs are helping me, they claim my rootfs is full | 11:46 |
| citylight2 | odd | 11:46 |
| citylight2 | where are the biggest files at? | 11:47 |
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| citylight2 | /var looks ok | 11:47 |
| yestoall | have you stored videos locally (not on the SD)? | 11:47 |
| citylight2 | yes | 11:47 |
| citylight2 | but on /home | 11:47 |
| roboro | also some android apps play odd... | 11:47 |
| yestoall | i would first move the videos to the SD | 11:47 |
| citylight2 | ok | 11:48 |
| yestoall | the gallery and media apps from Jolla find it on the SD, too | 11:48 |
| yestoall | so nothing lost so far | 11:48 |
| yestoall | but again, first ext4 for the SD card, otherwise the backup will be 4.2 GB only :-) | 11:49 |
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| citylight2 | I see | 11:49 |
| citylight2 | can I make /home be the SD and solve space issues? | 11:51 |
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| citylight2 | I mean I know how to do it in linux with the .etc/fstab, but You guys have more experience | 11:51 |
| rigo | citylight2: there was some howto floating in tmo AFAIK | 11:51 |
| yestoall | there is an extensive report on that on TJC | 11:52 |
| rigo | ... and no, you can't treat the phone like a normal desktop with debian stable and without systemd | 11:52 |
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| yestoall | https://together.jolla.com/question/108669/11928-mounting-sd-card-as-home-partition-and-android-storage/ | 11:53 |
| citylight2 | can anyone suggest a good TJC to solve the space using a 32Gb SD card? | 11:53 |
| citylight2 | and thank you guys | 11:53 |
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| citylight2 | 2) is anyone else having problem setting up a google calender event via the jolla calender? | 13:40 |
| Bysmyyr | not recently | 13:41 |
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| citylight2 | I see this in the journal GoogleDataTypeSyncAdaptor::errorHandler:130 - ERROR: "Calendars" request with account 7 experienced error: 299 | 13:53 |
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| tadzik | hmm, my Phone app has a spinning busy indicator constantly on the app page, and the cover only shows numbers, not names of contacts; any idea why it'd do that? | 15:59 |
| tadzik | reboot didn't help :) | 15:59 |
| SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: are contacrts working well ? | 16:00 |
| tadzik | SfietKonstantinW: yes, People seems to work just fine | 16:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | strange | 16:01 |
| stephg | tadzik: and the rest of the apps? | 16:01 |
| tadzik | messages also doesn't map numbers to names | 16:01 |
| tadzik | but if I swipe right on the list of messages I get the contact page correctly | 16:01 |
| tadzik | oh, now it's showing names | 16:01 |
| tadzik | phone still isn't though | 16:02 |
| chem|st | tadzik: indexing borked, happened to me twice so far, very odd behaviour and no idea how I fixed it as it somewhat recovered on its own | 16:02 |
| stephg | chem|st: well worst case nuke tracker? | 16:03 |
| chem|st | tadzik: maybe backup contacts, delete all and import the all | 16:03 |
| chem|st | stephg: I think that did not help actually | 16:03 |
| tadzik | maybe if I add a new one it'll trigger the indexer? | 16:03 |
| stephg | tadzik: indexes can be somewhat managed if you have utils installed from the store | 16:04 |
| chem|st | tadzik: my best bet is backup, destroy, recover | 16:04 |
| stephg | and totally managed frmo the commandline (tracker-control iirc) | 16:04 |
| stephg | oh, and rm(1) too ;) | 16:04 |
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| tadzik | heh | 16:04 |
| tadzik | tracker can be restarted from Utilities iirc | 16:04 |
| tadzik | at least the media tracker | 16:04 |
| stephg | yeh | 16:04 |
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| tadzik | chem|st: do you know if there's any way to automatically delete all contacts rather than clicking them individually? | 16:08 |
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| tadzik | I guess clearing the inevitable sqlite is always an option | 16:08 |
| chem|st | tadzik: settings - apps - people - delete all | 16:09 |
| tadzik | oh, it's in the pulley. Thanks | 16:09 |
| tadzik | I didn't see it at first | 16:09 |
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| chem|st | tadzik: did that quiet often now as I try to figure out a bug with BT/cardDAV transfer that leaves exactly 55 contacts not transfered and all others with missing details | 16:10 |
| tadzik | :o | 16:11 |
| chem|st | N9->Jolla not working Jolla->Android not working Jolla-Owncloud7 not working and so on... | 16:11 |
| citylight2 | tadzik: please run btrfs fi sh | 16:12 |
| fennekki | fish | 16:14 |
| chem|st | citylight2: asking if his rootfs is full is better then telling someone to run some command... | 16:14 |
| citylight2 | ok, sorry | 16:15 |
| chem|st | citylight2: :) np, just sounds a bit rude | 16:15 |
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| tadzik | chem|st: that helped, thanks | 16:27 |
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| tadzik | interestingly, fi sh says "Error: could not open /dev/mmcblk0p28" | 16:30 |
| tadzik | rootfs is not full though, as far as df -h knows | 16:30 |
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| fennekki | how full is it | 16:33 |
| Nicd- | and there the tablets go: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/181dxCgkxL-sUV7Wb7edpEOWUtsN9KW3s2u7C_r3azHg/edit#gid=0 | 16:33 |
| tadzik | 72% | 16:34 |
| fennekki | btrfs devs have said that it's not really "meaningful" to show a number for free space on a btrfs partition so it's kinda, imprecise | 16:34 |
| fennekki | hmm | 16:34 |
| fennekki | I dunno if it would have almost 30% metadata though | 16:34 |
| tadzik | I'm pretty sure this doesn't include metadata | 16:34 |
| tadzik | like inodes and stuff | 16:34 |
| fennekki | yeah, it doesn't as far as I know | 16:36 |
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| chem|st | tadzik: btrfs fi show should give you readings of it all, if it does not it is borked, and you can easily have a full rootfs with df showing just about 50% | 16:39 |
| tadzik | oh, that's awesome >:( | 16:39 |
| tadzik | any idea how can I unbork it? | 16:40 |
| chem|st | left alone datachunks plus metadata can add up to 7GB in about 2 weeks if you got lots of caching going | 16:40 |
| chem|st | tadzik: run as root? | 16:40 |
| tadzik | *facedesk* | 16:41 |
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| chem|st | I get an error too but I get readings of both btrfs volumes just fine | 16:41 |
| fennekki | I really can't remember what the deal with btrfs metadata was but I think it was something like, it'll shuffle the metadata around to make space if you add more files | 16:41 |
| fennekki | except if there's no space to do that in which case you get a filesystem that "has space" but is full | 16:41 |
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| tadzik | ok, first it says "Error: unable to get label Inappropriate ioctl for device" | 16:42 |
| fennekki | and it's nigh-impossible to define how much "free space" you have due to this; because it might be entirely different for a hundred small files compared to one big one, or whatever | 16:42 |
| tadzik | that's probably sdcard | 16:42 |
| chem|st | fennekki: yeah it needs about the size of the metadata free to be able to move metadata | 16:42 |
| fennekki | also I think there's some ways to merge it and whatnot | 16:42 |
| tadzik | then "Label: 'sailfish'", that's Total devices 1 FS bytes used 9.44 GiB, but devid 1 size 13.75GiB used 13.74GiB" | 16:42 |
| fennekki | the space usage is inconsistent | 16:42 |
| tadzik | so yeah, pretty much full and df lies | 16:43 |
| chem|st | tadzik: the important bit is the devid 0 13.75Gib used xx.xxGiB | 16:43 |
| chem|st | how much used by data=? | 16:43 |
| tadzik | hmm, I'll just nopaste it | 16:43 |
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| tadzik | https://gist.github.com/tadzik/8b5ca59ec17dcb084332 | 16:46 |
| chem|st | tadzik: yeah full, and you might want to free up 2GB before you rebalance | 16:46 |
| tadzik | that explains while Call Recorder got stuck recently | 16:47 |
| chem|st | uh that fills up metadata pretty bad | 16:48 |
| chem|st | had it on autorecord everything | 16:48 |
| tadzik | yeah, so do I | 16:49 |
| chem|st | bad idea | 16:49 |
| chem|st | gtg have fun balancing (plug in power!) | 16:49 |
| tadzik | holy cow it's flac | 16:49 |
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| mornfall | anyone got any of the tablet-related mails yet? | 19:12 |
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| coderus | mornfall: everybody already received refunds, isn't it? | 19:20 |
| mornfall | huh? | 19:20 |
| phlixi | lol | 19:20 |
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| mornfall | eh | 20:29 |
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| Objectifnul | !quit | 20:40 |
| merbot` | Objectifnul: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. | 20:40 |
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| louisdk | I'm really sad about the tablet situation. SailfishOS seems really fitted for tablets. | 22:35 |
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