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| Bergkatze | Greetings! | 08:38 |
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| suosaaski | Any news on what people that bought the Jolla tablet will get? Nothing? Money back? | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | no news | 08:40 |
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| Aciid | suosaaski: no news | 08:43 |
| Aciid | just waiting | 08:43 |
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| mornfall | suosaaski: you will be allowed to wait some more | 08:55 |
| mornfall | splendid isn't it | 08:55 |
| suosaaski | Yes... kinda says something about the company. | 08:56 |
| mornfall | yeah, well, as far as their reputation goes, I guess they screwed what they could | 08:56 |
| suosaaski | Yes. | 08:57 |
| mornfall | at this point, it's probably just haters and stockholmers | 08:57 |
| suosaaski | They indeed did. | 08:57 |
| mornfall | :-P | 08:57 |
| suosaaski | Kinda funny how that device went from "best tablet of mwc 2015" (by one jury) to neverending excuses about it being delayed, and then admitting they spend all the money they got from the kickstarter to sailfish 2.0 and none for the tablet hardware, and the manufacturer selling those very devices themself with android in it (kinda sending the message that the devices were ready) cos Jolla doesn't have the money to pay for them... | 08:59 |
| Bergkatze | suosaaski: you got a link for the manufacturer selling the tablets? | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | Bergkatze: http://world.taobao.com/item/525246736574.htm | 09:01 |
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| tbr | mornfall: throw everyone in the thunderdome, make popcorn. | 09:02 |
| Bergkatze | Thanks. This is not creating a lot of confidence ... | 09:03 |
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| mornfall | Bergkatze: oh, you had confidence | 09:04 |
| Bergkatze | Yes, as a matter of fact I did. | 09:04 |
| Bergkatze | So what went wrong? | 09:04 |
| pp__ | lastucases were also made but not paid for (source: lastu twitter) | 09:06 |
| suosaaski | I guess no-one will never-ever be stupid enough to be a part of any jolla kickstarted projects again :) | 09:06 |
| mornfall | what do you think? jolla burned through cash, couldn't make revenue, investors balked | 09:06 |
| suosaaski | on the other hand, I do know one person who did get his jolla tablet | 09:06 |
| Bergkatze | mornfall: Okay, see your point. But still, they closed the recent investment round. So what's your prediction for the future? | 09:07 |
| suosaaski | They still have all those angry clients who paid for the tablet and didn't get it, cos they spent the money on something else. | 09:08 |
| mornfall | suosaaski: they didn't really spend it on something else; that's not how it works | 09:08 |
| suosaaski | But in short, there is no future. They messed it up bad. | 09:08 |
| suosaaski | mornfall: but they did. | 09:08 |
| mornfall | the whole money allocation thing is a red herring | 09:08 |
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| mornfall | Bergkatze: well, that really depends on how much the talk of sailfish licencing is lies | 09:09 |
| suosaaski | They spent it on the operating system, and now don't have the money to pay for the hardware. While they had working hardware, and software that was in beta stage or whatever. I think most backers would rather have a tablet with no os than an os with no tablet. | 09:09 |
| mornfall | Bergkatze: if they got a customer, they can probably survive along with the OS | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | popcorn this early in the morning? guys.. | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:10 |
| mornfall | suosaaski: now, a tablet without an OS is also called a brick :-) | 09:10 |
| mornfall | suosaaski: comes a lot cheaper | 09:10 |
| mornfall | suosaaski: it's not like you can install a tablet at home | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | not to mention that the price of a product often involves NRE work, it's not just pure parts | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | warranty | 09:10 |
| suosaaski | I don't see why anyone would ever again trust Jolla or that they will keep Sailfish up to date? | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | care | 09:10 |
| RaYmAn | mornfall: it's an intel tablet with UEFI, of course you can | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | in fact, most phones you guys run around with might be 100 USD an sold to you for 400 eur | 09:11 |
| suosaaski | mornfall: they could have shipped it with the early software and just update over ota when it evolves | 09:11 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: you mean the jolla phone? yeah :-) | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: it's an industry wide problem but no, the jolla phone wasn't that low :) | 09:11 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: yeah, small batches and everything | 09:12 |
| mornfall | it was still a huge miscalculation | 09:12 |
| suosaaski | They could have just shipped it with Android. Even that would be better than a waste of everyones money | 09:12 |
| mornfall | suosaaski: well, we don't know what they are going to do | 09:13 |
| suosaaski | This whole thing makes all those posts about the difficulty with the display etc seem like bullshit. | 09:13 |
| Bergkatze | Funny. I always had the impression Jolla was one of the more honest companies. | 09:14 |
| mornfall | Bergkatze: yeah, they really suck at lying :-) | 09:15 |
| suosaaski | Yes. Things change when you screw up this badly. | 09:15 |
| suosaaski | It seems Meego really was dead. And no wonder all of those who were there at the beginning are gone by now. | 09:16 |
| mornfall | I guess everyone could tell they are in trouble since about the time the phone launched... | 09:16 |
| mornfall | but we played along pretending it's all right | 09:16 |
| mornfall | I guess we all wished it would eventually be | 09:16 |
| Bergkatze | Okay, according to you guys what is it that should happen now? What shall they do? What are their realistic option? | 09:16 |
| suosaaski | Cut their losses | 09:16 |
| mornfall | Bergkatze: realistic options? close a licencing deal that brings in revenue | 09:16 |
| tbr | the realistic option for individuals is to sit back and wait | 09:17 |
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| suosaaski | But who would want a licensing deal with them anymore? "Sorry, we didn't have the cash to update Sailfish as we spent the money on these toilet seats" | 09:17 |
| tbr | whoever didn't write of the money they paid during the IGG campaing as soon as they pressed submit is a fool anyway | 09:17 |
| Bergkatze | But do you think they can get a foot in the BRICs? They seem to focus on them for the moment? Is there really potential is these markets? I'm not so sure ... | 09:18 |
| suosaaski | tbr: the thing is, they have been waiting for a year now. | 09:18 |
| mornfall | depending on their exact deal with investors, they may be actually forbidden from putting money into the tablet (and legally, they aren't really obliged to do much, at least not with regards to the bulk of backers) | 09:18 |
| tbr | suosaaski: so have I. But at this point I don't care. I can't possibly influence the outcome anyway. Being angry won't help or change anything. Sure I'm a bit disappointed, but I wrote off the money when I pressed submit, that helps. | 09:19 |
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| mornfall | tbr: well, screw the money, the drip drip drip of "oh maybe we'll figure something out, just wait another two weeks" that's getting on my nerves | 09:20 |
| tbr | mornfall: that's a different story. Here it helps me that I stopped active participation in the community exactly a year ago. | 09:20 |
| tbr | tbh, it's quite sad how things turned out | 09:21 |
| tbr | but also in this case, there isn't much an individual could do. the real things get decided in Moscow and India anyway. | 09:21 |
| the_mgt | I knew it, it is all putins fault | 09:22 |
| tbr | there is a fair chance, that e.g. the russian ministry really increased their stakes and will push this for their domestic market. who knows. also there's that intex deal. | 09:22 |
| suosaaski | Good luck for the employees at Jolla finding a new job, too... "I worked for Jolla" "Oh... well get back to you if something comes up" | 09:22 |
| suosaaski | especially the management staff :) | 09:25 |
| RaYmAn | Do you really think anyone cares? Regular employees aren't really responsible for management decisions. | 09:25 |
| pp__ | "we'll let you know soon" | 09:25 |
| suosaaski | RaYmAn: that's why I added the management part | 09:25 |
| pp__ | but yea, I'm sure regular employees easily found new stuff | 09:25 |
| RaYmAn | tbh though, management has a tendency to be able to talk their way out of situations like that ;) | 09:26 |
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| Stskeeps | suosaaski: so far no problems for people, fwiw | 09:28 |
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| mornfall | suosaaski: that's not how things work | 09:30 |
| suosaaski | Well, at least I personally wouldn't trust any decision makers there | 09:31 |
| suosaaski | Apparently Antti Saarnio also said that there is a new phone coming... I wonder if they'll fund it with kickstarter | 09:33 |
| the_mgt | well, german economy will take them with a "hand kiss", we constantly re-employ only the best management personal. there is an airport in berlin, that has dire need for their postponing a definite announcement skills ;) | 09:36 |
| aard_ | suosaaski: there are several companies who recognize what we pulled off from engineering side to make the phone happen, and are interested to get that kind of skill and experience | 09:37 |
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| tbr | suosaaski: new phone → intex, not jolla | 09:41 |
| suosaaski | tbr: my bad | 09:42 |
| suosaaski | aard_: well, from an engineering standpoint that is probably true. As long as the engineers are mentally well after all this not-so-positive publicity about Jolla, and not getting paid etc. | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: i think nobody was mentally sane before joining anyway | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:45 |
| suosaaski | :P | 09:45 |
| aard_ | suosaaski: I currently employ 5 ex-sailors, and I think I can vouch for them having never been sane | 09:46 |
| suosaaski | Although, from an engineering standpoint, there must have been a point where in the tablet project some guys started wondering about the constant changes of the display. | 09:47 |
| suosaaski | aard_: :) | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: any changes done because of the display has been reasonable; it was really foobar | 09:49 |
| suosaaski | well, at least one post mentioned that at first the display quality went up, then they found a working display but it went back to the original quality, that Jolla wouldn't approve anymore, and then continued changing. I think that might have been the correct time to stop spending money on it. | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: so, sell a display that most people would return the product over? :) | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | it was that crap. | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't accept it, myself | 09:52 |
| suosaaski | On the other hand... then came the news about the manufacturer selling the tablets with android, and one starts wondering... howcome are they selling manufactured tablets if the display issue has not yet been solved... and then one wonders if there really was that big of an issue after all. At least at the time they announced it. | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: display issue was solved, who says it wasn't? | 09:52 |
| suosaaski | ok, I didn't realize it was that crap. But hey, rather a crap display than no display. | 09:52 |
| suosaaski | Stskeeps: I might remember the timeline incorrectly | 09:53 |
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| suosaaski | I just remembered at they started selling the tablet at around the same time when jolla was still posting info about the display issues been barely solved | 09:54 |
| Nicd- | display issue was solved ages ago | 09:54 |
| Nicd- | the selling in taobao is recent | 09:54 |
| suosaaski | ok, it seems the post was in october about the displays and the selling was in december | 09:55 |
| suosaaski | or... well, october was a post about shipping the first batch of tablets | 09:56 |
| chem|st | suosaaski: that some 200 devices shipped in november have been all nice and finished, that was to test the delivery chain > so right after that went smooth they probably ordered the whole igg campaign at once - that is now sold off by the manufacturer due to whatever reason you might come up with, late payment is one of the obvious | 09:56 |
| suosaaski | looked at the wrong date | 09:56 |
| suosaaski | late payment = no payment? | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | but fwiw, most devices today start out at as a reference design by a chipset vendor, which is the most unsellable crap you'll ever find, then it's modified, patched, ducttaped by an ODM and then eventually it's delivered to you users | 09:57 |
| chem|st | suosaaski: yea or that | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | with multiple branches of different displays, logos, tradeoffs, in between | 09:57 |
| narchi4 | when is jolla tablet vat payment | 09:57 |
| suosaaski | Stskeeps: yes... on the other hand, since jolla nicely said that the tablet is just a platform for the software, at least they could have just selled some working version of it. | 09:59 |
| suosaaski | Well, I am just glad I never sent any of my money towards the company, even though I was tempted to. | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: yes, but you're also a technical person, there's a lot of non-technical people in the igg group | 10:00 |
| suosaaski | Especially the tablet was very tempting. | 10:00 |
| chem|st | suosaaski: it was a kickstarter, that is like "yeah I do believe they deliver but it can all go sideways" | 10:00 |
| suosaaski | The phone was hardware wise so low end that it never really excited me. | 10:01 |
| pp__ | I've paid vat for mine! | 10:01 |
| suosaaski | chem|st: I know. | 10:01 |
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| chem|st | suosaaski: and if they manage to deliver those and tell that they will do no more, you missed an awesome piece of hardware | 10:01 |
| suosaaski | chem|st: but people still most likely expected to get something out of their 200e investment. | 10:01 |
| chem|st | and what are 200eur? | 10:01 |
| chem|st | that is just another bad weekend^^ | 10:02 |
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| Nokius_work | chem|st: :) | 10:02 |
| suosaaski | The thing is, it would have been an ok piece of hardware last year. Not awesome, but also not under par (like the phone was). This year it is not like that no more. | 10:03 |
| suosaaski | Although it is decent this year, too. Just nothing to get that excited about. | 10:03 |
| tbr | not exactly true. the SoC is still pretty much state of the art in the intel line-up | 10:03 |
| chem|st | suosaaski: trust me, it is still better than any android... | 10:03 |
| suosaaski | One can get an ipad with retina display at almost the same price. | 10:04 |
| tbr | you don't see cherry trail based devices unless they run windows, there are reasons | 10:04 |
| chem|st | and that display (powerhungry as hell) is just awesome | 10:04 |
| suosaaski | I have seen so many awesome displays that I really think that the jolla display is not any better than those. | 10:05 |
| chem|st | suosaaski: and what else do you pay apple with to have them lend you their device? | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: it's a really awesome display, though | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:05 |
| suosaaski | Just saying that hardware wise it is not that amazing, anymore | 10:05 |
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| suosaaski | Of course I think I could just go and see the tablet live as a friend of mine got one (lucky?), but somehow it is not that interesting anymore. | 10:06 |
| chem|st | suosaaski: show me another device that can compete with it that is not infested | 10:07 |
| suosaaski | "not infested"? | 10:07 |
| suosaaski | As a side note, as far as tablet market goes, I really do not have any personal favorite as far as which one I like the best. All have their ups and downs, would have to combine them a lot to get what I would want. | 10:08 |
| chem|st | vermin like apple google µsoft | 10:08 |
| suosaaski | Well, the problem is, without any of those three, you get zero apps. | 10:08 |
| chem|st | suosaaski: that is not true | 10:09 |
| suosaaski | What I would want is the multiuser support / family safety from windows, apps from iOS and UI from Windows or Android or Sailfish. | 10:10 |
| chem|st | suosaaski: wtf is family safety? | 10:10 |
| suosaaski | And why not apps from android? Because pretty much all of them are designed for just phones. The UI does not work well on a tablet. Unlike in IOS. | 10:10 |
| suosaaski | chem|st: well in general the family safety features like permissions/app control/etc, for kids. | 10:11 |
| suosaaski | They just work on Windows. And so does multi user support in general. Android multiuser support seems to be lacking, although it is there. | 10:11 |
| chem|st | so a restricted user that has no access to all apps | 10:12 |
| suosaaski | Android does have all the features I want from a tablet, they are just not that well executed as I'd like. | 10:12 |
| stephg | suosaaski: so you never had the phone? once you've used the interface it's hard to use anything else | 10:13 |
| suosaaski | chem|st: well in short yes, then of course browsing protection, time limits etc. And preferrably centrally managed. And weekly reports etc. | 10:13 |
| suosaaski | stephg: no, I never had it. The hardware was lacking so much that I never bought it. | 10:13 |
| chem|st | suosaaski: we call that helicopter parents... | 10:13 |
| suosaaski | I have used it, but not so much that I could make a judgement on the UI as it takes some getting used to. | 10:14 |
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| chem|st | different philosophy... I won't have a tablet look after my child | 10:14 |
| suosaaski | chem|st: depends. The limited apps is the main thing. | 10:14 |
| suosaaski | chem|st: me neither. But I really dislike the fact that an app might have an add that takes them to install something I don't want them to do. Of course, that is available in google play etc, too. Just have it centrally managed is nice if there are multiple devices. | 10:15 |
| chem|st | in the 90s you gave them the TV remote... in 00s a controller in 10s a tablet... evolution^^ | 10:15 |
| suosaaski | Anyway. | 10:16 |
| suosaaski | Multiuser support is the thing that is lacking in most. | 10:17 |
| suosaaski | At least a proper one. | 10:17 |
| chem|st | so well you go other use cases, while I understand that you may have them, they are cases I do not really care about at all | 10:17 |
| mornfall | aard_: so you think that jolla is a lost cause? | 10:18 |
| suosaaski | Of course, but as I said, that is what I would want from a tablet. As I don't like the apple-way of "buy a separate device for every member of the family" | 10:18 |
| chem|st | multiuser support yes, and aggrtegated controls over the devices would be nice too | 10:18 |
| mornfall | also, making wishlists as a coping strategy :-) | 10:18 |
| aard_ | mornfall: depends on the definition of 'lost cause' | 10:18 |
| suosaaski | Currently my only real options for a tablet would be Android or Windows based. Just because of the multiuser support. | 10:19 |
| mornfall | aard_: clearly... so what definition would be needed for jolla to not be a lost cause? | 10:19 |
| chem|st | aard_: o/ love you insane people! | 10:19 |
| suosaaski | It might be on the way for iPads, too, though. Currently they are starting to deliver it to education in ios 9.3 | 10:19 |
| suosaaski | For me a tablet it mostly for just reading the news and entertainment, although if I had the cash, I could buy a "better" Windows tablet and do all the office work on it, too. | 10:21 |
| aard_ | suosaaski: there should be a mer bug open about fixing user session handling, after that it'd be trivial to do some level of multiuser for sailfish (did some planning on that last year related to security) | 10:21 |
| suosaaski | Well, I can do that with my Windows RT, too. The app selection is just... ehm... limited. :) | 10:21 |
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| suosaaski | aard_: sorry to say but I don't see a point for that anymore as there is no device to run it on, anymore. | 10:22 |
| aard_ | chem|st: in case you ever have CI/QA or releasing issues ping me, we have experience with that :) | 10:22 |
| aard_ | suosaaski: i'm currently looking into the state of nemo again, unless opensourcing of jolla-ui happens soon that might be the best way forward | 10:23 |
| suosaaski | With Windows 10 / Continuum finally starting to look like the end-game I have been looking for (one device for everything), my interest for tablets have been steadily declining even faster. It started when I bought by first 5,5" phone and realized I very much like to use it just as much as a tablet. | 10:25 |
| suosaaski | Continuum (or a similar feature) would be kinda cool for any platform. | 10:26 |
| suosaaski | I remember Jolla talking about how Sailfish UI scales to any size display. So there might be something there... well, if Sailfish would still be an option. | 10:27 |
| Jope | mobile apps on a big monitor | 10:28 |
| Jope | not my idea of a convergence device that I want | 10:28 |
| Jope | I want it the other way around | 10:28 |
| suosaaski | As a side not, if I could get Sailfish on my Lumia 2520, that would be interesting :P | 10:29 |
| aard_ | Jope: emacs everywhere! | 10:29 |
| Jope | big full featured apps that shrink into finger friendly mobile apps when I run them on the small screen | 10:29 |
| Jope | aard :-D | 10:29 |
| suosaaski | Jope: the point being that the app should scale, too. | 10:29 |
| Jope | yep, but it doesn't properly | 10:29 |
| suosaaski | not yet | 10:29 |
| suosaaski | but it will | 10:29 |
| Jope | still waiting | 10:29 |
| Jope | when someone does it the way I want, they mayget my money | 10:29 |
| suosaaski | Running Office with Continuum is a nice experience. | 10:30 |
| Jope | I can imagine | 10:30 |
| Jope | that's about all they demo in their videos too | 10:30 |
| suosaaski | But yes, that is about it for now :) | 10:30 |
| Jope | my interests lie elsewhere :-) | 10:30 |
| Jope | but let's see | 10:30 |
| aard_ | suosaaski: by 'office' you mean word/excel/..? | 10:30 |
| Jope | aard, precisely :-D | 10:30 |
| suosaaski | aard_: yes | 10:30 |
| Jope | and IE too! | 10:30 |
| suosaaski | not much else (yet) | 10:30 |
| aard_ | suosaaski: ah, I don't use that kind of stuff :) | 10:30 |
| suosaaski | The thing is, it still does show what it could do. | 10:31 |
| Jope | it does yes | 10:31 |
| Jope | a small glimpse of a potential future | 10:31 |
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| suosaaski | Yes. | 10:32 |
| aard_ | I've recently hacked an org-mode exporter for g-brief, now I'm happy just with org-mode | 10:32 |
| suosaaski | The thing is... I know MS has some deep pockets, but Windows on phones is kinda dead, too. | 10:32 |
| pp_ | Qt has a lot of promise in that area | 10:32 |
| Jope | yep. :-) | 10:32 |
| suosaaski | With Android 6.0 I am happy with my LG G3 again. Well, I was before, but now I'm very happy. My usually getting bored quite quickly with tech devices, I am a bit surprised by it. I've had it for 1,5 years. I had my N9 for less, and my iPhone 5, and everything else in the smart-phone era. | 10:34 |
| stephg | suosaaski: is made of money :D | 10:36 |
| Jope | I got a sony z5 compact once they dropped below 500e in price | 10:36 |
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| Jope | been rather happy with it. my biggest gripe with android is that the browsers don't multitask. | 10:36 |
| suosaaski | No, I'm not. Apart from phones and whatever is installed around my TV, all I have is that Lumia 2520. No computer etc :) | 10:37 |
| Jope | so you can't download + render a page in the background and more often than not, the browser has been purged and will reload the page when you bring it to the front | 10:37 |
| suosaaski | Unless you count that lumia, g3 or ps3 as a computer. | 10:37 |
| suosaaski | Jope: which browser do you use? | 10:37 |
| Jope | firefox, chrome, tinfoil for facebook.. | 10:38 |
| suosaaski | I remember Samsung phones having trouble keeping any "bigger" apps in ram. | 10:38 |
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| Jope | well android itself has trouble keeping bigger apps in ram.. | 10:38 |
| Jope | but this is how it is. modern people don't want to have such power | 10:39 |
| Jope | they want the os to kill their apps for them | 10:39 |
| suosaaski | Kinda funny how with more mem (4GB on Note 5) it does a worse job than LG does with 3GB (G4, for example) | 10:39 |
| the_mgt | the more resources you have, the lazier you can code | 10:39 |
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| suosaaski | yes, but on the other hand, the galaxy s6 fails the same tests miserably | 10:42 |
| suosaaski | I am quite happy with how my G3 performs, but it does have 3GB, so... | 10:43 |
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| the_mgt | there is never enough power in any given computing device, once you adapted to how much power it has ;) | 10:44 |
| the_mgt | I am quite happy with my jolla phone, because I do not expect it to do much | 10:44 |
| suosaaski | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm2DP3o8cYw#t=100s << note 5 vs lg g4 | 10:45 |
| suosaaski | And if you compare the note to a galaxy s6... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSinrec8UvY#t=8m | 10:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | suosaaski, got LG g3 | 10:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 10:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I've something for you ... | 10:47 |
| locusf | oh again this shit | 10:47 |
| locusf | "hey they spent all this money on os development" | 10:47 |
| locusf | "we just want the tablet, even if the os sucks" | 10:47 |
| suosaaski | Combining the results, it is amazing how much worse the s6 is compared to the g4 | 10:48 |
| suosaaski | dr_gogeta86: yes. What? :) | 10:48 |
| * kimmoli uses IE4 fwiw | 10:48 | |
| dr_gogeta86 | SFOS ... | 10:48 |
| stephg | kimmoli: on Solaris? | 10:49 |
| inz | kimmoli, nn3g ftw | 10:49 |
| stephg | was a thing, I 'used' it https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/Oe-Ie5-unix.jpg (well installed it on my U10) | 10:50 |
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| kimmoli | ah, it was IE3 http://kimmoli.com/tauhkaa/20151207_004.jpg | 10:51 |
| locusf | woah solaris | 10:52 |
| locusf | that brings me back | 10:52 |
| suosaaski | dr_gogeta86: ...what was it that you had for me? Something funny on how the g3 sucks? :) | 10:52 |
| stephg | kimmoli: locusf: inz: happy days | 10:53 |
| * stephg was a little bit too young for gopher | 10:53 | |
| kimmoli | inz: i read mm3tt first | 10:54 |
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| suosaaski | dr_gogeta86: oh, wait, you meant you have sailfish for me? | 11:04 |
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| EyeA | Jolla )0!1@ )0h | 12:32 |
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| EyeA | how old is Jolla Phone | 12:37 |
| EyeA | since 2013 | 12:37 |
| EyeA | ? | 12:37 |
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| tadzik | something like that, yeah | 12:39 |
| EyeA | i have owned 3 jolla phone keep join back to it | 12:40 |
| EyeA | I like the NOKIA N900 | 12:40 |
| EyeA | the NOKIA N9 was fine too | 12:41 |
| EyeA | the Jolla is sweet | 12:41 |
| Bergkatze | EyeA: Why do you need so many Jollas? You keep braking them? | 12:42 |
| EyeA | I like is LiNux nature | 12:42 |
| EyeA | no | 12:42 |
| EyeA | sell them on and pick up another | 12:42 |
| EyeA | carzy | 12:42 |
| EyeA | rigth | 12:42 |
| Bergkatze | Well, whatever floats your boat. Not sure I comprehend your reasons, though. | 12:43 |
| EyeA | I get bored | 12:43 |
| EyeA | with the handy | 12:44 |
| Bergkatze | So you buy exactly the same one again? | 12:44 |
| EyeA | yep | 12:44 |
| EyeA | crazy | 12:44 |
| tadzik | it is quite | 12:44 |
| EyeA | sure | 12:44 |
| EyeA | what are you all up to | 12:45 |
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| EyeA | I have followed JOLLA since the begining | 12:45 |
| EyeA | even before the pHONE | 12:46 |
| EyeA | i was an N900 and N9 uses | 12:46 |
| EyeA | since 2008 | 12:46 |
| EyeA | any one els | 12:47 |
| EyeA | here also | 12:47 |
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| Bergkatze | EyeA: No offense, just wondering why you did buy some many Jollas. | 12:47 |
| Bergkatze | But if you like them, good for you. :) | 12:47 |
| EyeA | I sold them on to peple who where instresed in somr thing diffrent | 12:48 |
| EyeA | then got another | 12:48 |
| suosaaski | the jolla phone is not that great hardware that I would be swapping it out for a new one every now and then. Just use the one you have. Especially if it was "the first one", that would actually have some emotional feeling to it. | 12:49 |
| EyeA | any one here used N900 | 12:49 |
| EyeA | true | 12:49 |
| EyeA | the first one I had was pre order | 12:50 |
| EyeA | and the firts batch | 12:50 |
| suosaaski | I'd rather have one of them higher end android devices and run ported sailfish os there. Just for the display. | 12:51 |
| suosaaski | Yes... well... I mean "The first one" | 12:51 |
| EyeA | yep | 12:51 |
| suosaaski | http://mobiili.fi/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/jolla_unbox_9-e1385585862269.jpg | 12:51 |
| suosaaski | they were only on the first batch | 12:51 |
| suosaaski | iirc even today those get updates sooner than the rest? | 12:52 |
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| tadzik | that OH is glorious | 12:54 |
| suosaaski | browsing through some old posts... https://twitter.com/MarcDillonDotFi/status/451985284956045312 | 13:02 |
| suosaaski | Kinda fun... then you remember... what did F-Secure do with Younited again? Sold it? To the NS... USA? | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: heh, that was painful to everybody | 13:02 |
| suosaaski | Oh, right, I forgot, Dillon left Jolla, too... | 13:02 |
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| suosaaski | All their talk about privacy and data remaining in Finland forever... | 13:03 |
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| suosaaski | luckily I never really used it. | 13:03 |
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| suosaaski | And neither did anyone else, apparently, as the whole service was shutdown. Just like that F-Secure backup thing. | 13:04 |
| suosaaski | It seems that there are not that many viable cloud storage solutions that you can pretty much trust to be around next year, too. | 13:04 |
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| suosaaski | I wonder what kind of phone Nokia will release this year. | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | i have more belief in a AR headset or the likes | 13:10 |
| suosaaski | I really think Lumia 950(XL) shows what the "near future" will be like. Or hope. But perhaps executed with something a little less buggy than the current version. And maybe somewhere down the line AR/VR | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | remember that lumia doesn't have anything, at all, to do with what the 'real' nokia does | 13:13 |
| suosaaski | of course not | 13:14 |
| suosaaski | "real" nokia will announce an android phone, probably somewhere around the mid price range | 13:14 |
| suosaaski | That will not exite anyone, as all their camera and other hardware guys/gals have left to other companies | 13:14 |
| Jope | they're at microsoft | 13:17 |
| Jope | for now :-D | 13:17 |
| Jope | until ms kicks them out 'cause some american is sure to do it better | 13:18 |
| Jope | 'cause MURICA | 13:18 |
| suosaaski | I think Apple hired one of the camera guys | 13:18 |
| Jope | one of the leaders there yes | 13:18 |
| Jope | a long time ago | 13:18 |
| Jope | and microsoft has also done yt rounds where the herd has thinned a lot | 13:18 |
| Jope | and some have left voluntarily | 13:18 |
| ln- | i doubt 'yt' is 'yt' in english | 13:19 |
| Jope | no, it isn't | 13:19 |
| Jope | but since we're here talkign about finnish companies, I took the liberty of assuming that everyone has come across the term before | 13:20 |
| Jope | co-operation negotiations doesn' quite flow off the keyboard as nicely | 13:20 |
| jpaana | well in this case "layoff" would do | 13:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Jope: not to mention calling it a negotiation is a joke | 13:22 |
| Jope | yeps :-D | 13:23 |
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| stephg | Jope: voluntary redundancy? | 15:45 |
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| stephg | (but that usually comes with a bit of a package) | 15:46 |
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| Jope | stephg, yt is co-operation negotiations where the employer together with enployee representatives try to have the least anount of people kocked out, so not voluntary | 16:09 |
| Jope | usually due to financial reasons | 16:09 |
| stephg | Jope aha, ok here (.uk) voluntary would be a step before that | 16:10 |
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| Jope | stephg, over here severance packages are quite uncommon | 16:16 |
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| stephg | Jope: roger | 16:16 |
| Jope | nokia and ms mobile did them, but hardly anyone else :-) | 16:17 |
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| TemeV | rumor says ms is giving packages due to some agreement they made with Nokia | 16:22 |
| TemeV | and that agreement is about to go old and next time people are laid off, they are just laid off. No packages | 16:23 |
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| coderus | So new aliendalvik-control update! You can now disable/enable android bottom navigation bar without restarting aliendalvik. Also brings shareui plugin replaces old android-shareui package. And some bugfixes. Much required to have! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96334 | 18:43 |
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| djselbeck | Anyone with the tablet notices heavy flickering in the top left corner? | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | djselbeck: i'd almost think that's a cursor.. video? | 19:45 |
| djselbeck | No, sorry. It was no cursor it was the whole corner. in normal usage | 19:46 |
| djselbeck | just reseted the device (hard) and in welcome screen it is gone | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 19:46 |
| djselbeck | yeah, haven't used it for some times, just lied there hanging on usb power. but had shut it down a few times on its own, too | 19:47 |
| djselbeck | nope, still there but only noticeable when bright colors are shown. probably a bad backlight | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | that tablet display saga just keeps on giving doesn't it.. | 19:48 |
| djselbeck | perhaps its thermal related. Was in a cold bedroom and is warming up now due to use | 19:48 |
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| djselbeck | also it looks like the display has burnt in :( | 19:51 |
| djselbeck | I can still see the google icon on the left side | 19:51 |
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| cehteh | ips displays can have some ghosting, which will vanish over time | 19:59 |
| djselbeck | yeah i remember from my lenovo x240 but this is much worse. can't video record the flickering because my smartphone is to slow | 20:00 |
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| djselbeck | I don't guess Jolla has some spare displays arround to service ? | 20:19 |
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