| noume | i know there'S no easy solution | 00:00 |
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| sobukus | I never heard of an UID-agnostic ext2. | 00:03 |
| sobukus | chmod 1777 /mount/point seems as close as you can get | 00:03 |
| sobukus | Hm, perhaps even drop the 1 | 00:03 |
| phlixi_ | if your regular usecase is swapping the card between your phone and your laptop, isnt it more convinient to do that via network anyways? | 00:04 |
| noume | more convenient? yes, of course. Fast? Not quite so... | 00:04 |
| phlixi_ | did you calculated that? | 00:04 |
| noume | Not only that, i already tested it... | 00:05 |
| sobukus | It's not that regular. I just want to be able to do it. I got a SD card slot in my laptop. Phone might be out of juice or broken. Don't want to fiddle with network settings. | 00:05 |
| phlixi_ | dont forget you do not have to actually swap the card, that is a lot if you are doing only a few files | 00:05 |
| noume | SCP is about 10MByte/s, fiddling the card into the laptop: 40MByte/s | 00:05 |
| noume | and USB CDC is actually alot slower than wifi... | 00:06 |
| * sobukus is kindof old-school, remembering exchanging data via floppy disks | 00:06 | |
| phlixi_ | i can imagine a lot of situations where 10mmb/s without fiddling is faster - and other situations where it doesnt matter | 00:06 |
| noume | I was using a Samsung high performance card in case you're wondering | 00:06 |
| sobukus | I find it odd to have the devices yell the data into the air when I can exchange storage media. | 00:06 |
| sobukus | noume: The card I'm writing right now supposedly is also faster than the USB2 card reader I have … | 00:07 |
| phlixi_ | never tried with cable on the jolla, but on the n9/00 it was a lot faster via usb | 00:07 |
| noume | phlixi_: Sure but not so if the card is new and you want your whole music collection on it. But that's more of a one time job, after that i did everything via wifi | 00:07 |
| sobukus | For frequent little updates, rsync for sure is more fun. | 00:08 |
| noume | sobukus: my SD/TF-reader is PCIe. USB2 is still somwhere around 20-30MByte/s | 00:08 |
| phlixi_ | yeah, one time job... and if it takes 30 minutes, its probably the same if it takes 90 minutes, because, well, it takes so long, you wont sit there and wait anyway | 00:08 |
| noume | sobukus: rsync is very slow compared to scp. if you were to overwrite less than 3/4 of the files in question, scp is faster | 00:09 |
| noume | rsync clocks in at about 2-3MByte/s while SCP is around 10-12 | 00:10 |
| noume | so overwriting is faster than syncing | 00:10 |
| noume | haven't ound out yet ehy it is that way, it does not make sense to me | 00:10 |
| noume | system load does not appear to be an issue here | 00:11 |
| noume | phlixi_: Good point. 30GB at 40MByte/s are just a few minutes, so watching a short video on YT and you're done | 00:12 |
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| phlixi_ | can you hotswap the cards? | 00:14 |
| phlixi_ | because otherwise fiddling is like another 10 minutes... | 00:15 |
| phlixi_ | :D | 00:15 |
| noume | On the laptop i can, the JOlla has to shut down or unmount. | 00:15 |
| noume | if i can save any more than maybe five minutes, fiddling is faster | 00:16 |
| phlixi_ | so, you have to add 5 minutes fiddling to the 15 minutes for copy | 00:16 |
| phlixi_ | otherwise you would just fireup your command to copy the file and forget it | 00:16 |
| phlixi_ | no need to boot the phone | 00:16 |
| noume | If the copying is more than five minutes faster, fiddling is a winner | 00:16 |
| phlixi_ | no need to think about apps that just lost their storage etc etc | 00:17 |
| phlixi_ | i am not convinced... | 00:18 |
| noume | does not matter, apps don't store things on SD card | 00:18 |
| phlixi_ | my apps do | 00:18 |
| phlixi_ | ^^ | 00:18 |
| noume | and you can ssh into the phone and simply unmount it | 00:18 |
| noume | no need to shut down | 00:18 |
| noume | i'd need to test that | 00:18 |
| noume | but i don't bother. To me, copying large amounts of data is mostly a one time thing. Like after buying a new card. If the card is new, there is actually no fiddling as it's completely irrelevant where you put the card first | 00:19 |
| phlixi_ | since the slow part is read/write on the card while in the phone, you might consider not putting the data in the phone in the first place :D | 00:19 |
| phlixi_ | then it is even more irelevant | 00:20 |
| noume | i don't have a large data plan and there are quite a lot of "no service" areas, where i'd like to have access to my music and other stuff | 00:21 |
| noume | if that were not the case, i'D not need a card in my phone :) | 00:22 |
| noume | If you had good coverage and cheap data plans, you would not use SD cards and save the hassle of swapping or transferring over anything | 00:24 |
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| mtd | ugh -- did 'ssu ur && pkcon refresh && version --dup' and now my jolla phone doesn't get past the "jolla" logo screen :( | 05:02 |
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| mtd | anyone know what 1.1.9.28 runs at boot? My jolla is stuck in a boot loop | 06:10 |
| mtd | got a shell in recovery mode | 06:10 |
| mtd | /dev/mmcblk0p28 mounts fine | 06:10 |
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| mtd | not sure what's causing it to not complete booting | 06:11 |
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| Stskeeps | factory reset it, you probably broke it with the manual update. | 06:14 |
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| mtd | Stskeeps: True. Was hoping to preseve /home. | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | you can get that with mount -o subvolid=0 of mmcblk0p28 and backing it up to a sd card | 06:22 |
| Stskeeps | in /mnt/@home | 06:22 |
| mtd | Stskeeps: thx | 06:23 |
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| zett_zelett | I’m trying to get USB tethering to work. I have done this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1391586&postcount=804. But I still get no connection on my laptop. | 09:12 |
| zett_zelett | ifconfig lists usb0 as a known interface, http://pastebin.com/dfr2CWbf. But I can’t ping anything. | 09:14 |
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| fennekki | humm | 09:16 |
| fennekki | do you have an IP on the interface? | 09:16 |
| zett_zelett | I also have done this for tethering in the other direction https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking. | 09:18 |
| zett_zelett | What do you mean by having an IP on the interface? | 09:18 |
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| fennekki | when you run ifconfig usb0 | 09:22 |
| fennekki | does it show an inet address | 09:23 |
| fennekki | if it doesn't, that interface doesn't have an associated IP address and you need to get one either manually or via DHCP | 09:23 |
| zett_zelett | It has one! (See the paste above: http://pastebin.com/dfr2CWbf.) | 09:24 |
| fennekki | oh | 09:24 |
| fennekki | I didn't see that link | 09:24 |
| zett_zelett | These are also the (maybe) relevant lines of my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/9mfLtgG6 The IP ending in “.13” is the one from my Jolla when USB-connected. | 09:25 |
| coderus | zett_zelett: the only thing you need is: pkcon install usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config | 09:26 |
| coderus | and you will have internet sharing in usb conenction options | 09:26 |
| zett_zelett | Ok, can I have internet sharing and developer mode at the same time? | 09:27 |
| coderus | yes | 09:27 |
| coderus | when sharing internet ssh is running as well | 09:27 |
| zett_zelett | Ah, ok. Neat. | 09:27 |
| coderus | your pc is linux one? | 09:27 |
| fennekki | zett_zelett: your linux-side config looks oddly complicated | 09:28 |
| fennekki | I just tested it and just running dhcpcd <usb-interface-name> gives me a working connection | 09:29 |
| fennekki | in fact, I'm typing through ethernet-via-USB right now | 09:29 |
| fennekki | :V | 09:29 |
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| zett_zelett | Yes, I have a Debian system. | 09:30 |
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| coderus | zett_zelett: should be no problems then | 09:41 |
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| coderus | just set gateway at pc side and you're done | 09:41 |
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| zett_zelett | Hm, neither setting up 192.168.2.14 (interface IP) nor .13 (jolla IP) as default gateway works. | 10:04 |
| zett_zelett | Do I need to do anything other than http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1391586&postcount=804 on Jolla side? | 10:04 |
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| fennekki | isn't USB tethering installed by default in recent updates? I can't remember manually installing the package | 10:15 |
| fennekki | after doing that, setting up usb0 (or, in my case, enp0s29f7u1) with dhcp worked perfectly | 10:16 |
| fennekki | no manual configuration required | 10:16 |
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| zett_zelett | And how do you connect? dhcpcd usb0, that’s it? | 10:19 |
| zett_zelett | Do you have a “internet sharing” option when connecting your Jolla via USB to your computer? | 10:19 |
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| zett_zelett | Ok. | 10:24 |
| zett_zelett | Still doesn’t work. I don’t know what the heck I’m doing. | 10:24 |
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| fennekki | I have an internet sharing option, yes | 10:28 |
| fennekki | and after that just dhcpcd <whatever> as root works | 10:28 |
| fennekki | of course, this can be automated by setting the network interface to dhcp in the config files | 10:29 |
| fennekki | but I run Gentoo and love to suffer | 10:30 |
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| zett_zelett | coderus: Can’t seem to get it working. And pkcon install usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config gives “Fatal error: File '…' not found on medium 'https://releases.jolla.com/releases/2.0.0.10/jolla/armv7hl/'” … | 10:42 |
| kimmoli | pkcon refresh | 10:44 |
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| zett_zelett | Actually, I now have installed ‘usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config’ and I still have no internet-sharing option. Do I need to reboot my Jolla? | 11:53 |
| zett_zelett | (And thanks, kimmoli.) | 11:53 |
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| zett_zelett | Need to reboot it, ok. | 12:00 |
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| coderus | or restart connman and lipstick :) | 12:03 |
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| zett_zelett | Sorry for the double messages, because I try out a lot of stuff I sometimes have no internet connection and sometimes I’m unsure if they got through, so I resend them. | 12:24 |
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| zett_zelett | Ok, apparently none of the “double” messages were actually double: This is what I sent some minutes ago “But it still doesn’t work. Maaan http://pastebin.com/rYvzdqB0”. | 12:33 |
| zett_zelett | (http://pastebin.com/rYvzdqB0 actually) | 12:33 |
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| zett_zelett | ((http://pastebin.com/wsF3cs3B all the info.)) | 12:37 |
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| tore_ | is it possible to disable the RIL Dual -> IPv4+IPv6 APN protocol fallback functionality? so that if you attempt to use Dual (IPV4V6) on an APN that only supports IPv4 and/or IPv6 bearers (IP/IPV6), you get an actual failure? | 13:36 |
| tore_ | tigeli: ^ suspect this is something you might know the answer to :) | 13:36 |
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| tigeli | tore_: the issue is that the error's which are provided by the RIL are not always very clear why there is an error/problem.. but yeah, I guess it could worked out so that first try dual and if it fails then try ip | 13:58 |
| tigeli | tore_: though.. sfos does not have fallback functionality | 13:59 |
| tigeli | tore_: where are you seeing such thing? | 13:59 |
| Mikaela | in the 3GPP spec, I guess | 14:01 |
| Mikaela | or RFC or whatever, I know it exists in some spec. | 14:01 |
| tigeli | Mikaela: well.. it states that there should be such thing | 14:02 |
| tore_ | tigeli: the RIL does it | 14:02 |
| Mikaela | and it's natural to assume that if it says there should be such thing, it would be in SFOS | 14:03 |
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| tigeli | tore_: strange.. because I've seen that when I try dual on mobile carrier which does not support it -> connection error | 14:03 |
| tore_ | I wondered if it is possible to disable it, to truly see if IPV4V6 is truly supported | 14:03 |
| tigeli | tore_: I wonder if it's the mobile carrier doing the fallback ;) | 14:04 |
| tore_ | tigeli: I doubt it, since the RIL does log stuff about a failure ticking in (e.g., when the single-stack IPV6 PDP failing) even though the overall IPV4V6 attempt is apparently successful (yet yielding only IPv4 addressing) | 14:05 |
| tigeli | tore_: I've seen operators which do IPv4v6 but only provide IPv4 (as TeliaSonera does) | 14:06 |
| tigeli | tore_: and I've seen operators which reject IPv4v6 completely | 14:06 |
| tigeli | (elisa/saunalahti before they started supporting it) | 14:07 |
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| tore_ | tigeli: sure what you're seeing with TS isn't precicely the fallback I'm describing? | 14:13 |
| tore_ | e.g., on a telenor APN which I know for a fact only supports IPv6: | 14:13 |
| tore_ | [nemo@Jolla ~]$ rildebug | egrep 'qcril_data_get_ril_ce_code| SETUP_DATA_CALL' | 14:13 |
| tore_ | 12-22 14:12:38.610 I/RIL ( 620): [qcril_data_utils.c 594] [event] qcril_data_get_ril_ce_code: unsupported CallManager call end reason rcvd [2000] | 14:13 |
| tore_ | 12-22 14:12:38.770 D/RILC ( 620): [5693]> SETUP_DATA_CALL (11,0,telenor,,,3,IPV4V6) | 14:14 |
| tore_ | 12-22 14:12:38.820 E/RIL ( 620): [qcril_data_netctrl.c 3064] [main] qcril_data_set_nai: Ignoring NAI for SETUP_DATA_CALL | 14:14 |
| tore_ | 12-22 14:12:38.971 D/RILC ( 620): [5693]< SETUP_DATA_CALL {[status=0,retry=-1,cid=0,up,IPV4V6,rmnet0,109.179.12.81/8,193.213.112.4 130.67.15.198,109.179.12.82]} | 14:14 |
| tore_ | 12-22 14:12:38.971 I/RIL ( 620): [qcril_data_utils.c 582] [event] qcril_data_get_ril_ce_code: unsupported Internal call end reason rcvd [210] | 14:14 |
| tore_ | 12-22 14:12:43.190 I/RIL ( 620): [qcril_data_utils.c 582] [event] qcril_data_get_ril_ce_code: unsupported Internal call end reason rcvd [204] | 14:14 |
| Wnt | y u paste so much stuff? :( | 14:14 |
| tigeli | tore_: well, that show that the protocol is IPv4v6 | 14:16 |
| tore_ | tigeli:those "unsupported Internal call end reason" lines is the best indication I've found that the Dual->Singlestack fallback happened inside the RIL (what they probably indicate is that a parallel single-stack IPv6 connection attempt was rejected) | 14:16 |
| tigeli | could be | 14:16 |
| tore_ | tigeli: not towards the network, the APN does not support it. the RIL "splits" the IPV4V6 attempt | 14:16 |
| tore_ | if OTOH I use IPV4V6 to an APN that does support IPV4V6, I do not get these 'Internal call end reason' lines | 14:17 |
| tigeli | tore_: could be :) | 14:17 |
| tore_ | tigeli: I'm 100% certain that is the case | 14:17 |
| tore_ | but, what I want to differentiate between is a connection where IPV4V6 truly worked because it is supported by the network, and one where it only *ostensibly* worked because the network only supported IP + IPV6 (and allowes for parallel bearers), but does *NOT* support IPV4V6 | 14:19 |
| tigeli | tore_: I guess we would have to ask from QC to be 100% sure | 14:20 |
| tore_ | one way to do it would be to disable the "IPV4V6 splitting" fallback feature in the RIL directly. which clearly would be a bad default for regular users, but useful for debugging | 14:21 |
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| citylight2 | did I miss the good news? back in business? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | back in business. | 15:14 |
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| citylight2 | hmm yet I can not order a tablet on the site | 15:23 |
| citylight2 | or a battery | 15:23 |
| Yaniel | they still don't know what'll come of the tablets | 15:23 |
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| narchi4 | back in business | 15:57 |
| narchi4 | but not in business of tablets | 15:57 |
| narchi4 | that's great! | 15:57 |
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| narchi4 | really hyped for my $250 now | 15:57 |
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| Yaniel | maybe next they announce a new CEO: John Snow | 16:06 |
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| ottulo_ | call me ignorant, but who is John Snow? | 16:25 |
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| Yaniel | a character from game of thrones | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | ottulo_: I believe you refer to Jon Snow | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | and it's what Yaniel says | 16:27 |
| Yaniel | yes | 16:27 |
| ottulo_ | I thought that might be it, but wanted to make sure | 16:27 |
| Yaniel | https://www.fairphone.com/2015/12/10/fairphone-2-production-delivery-countdown/ | 16:28 |
| Yaniel | about transparency | 16:28 |
| ottulo_ | I've read/seen all of GoT so I do know the character | 16:28 |
| Yaniel | I haven't, so I don't even know the spelling as you can see... | 16:29 |
| ggabriel | uhm... what is that guy doing in the background while everybody else works? having a nice phone conversation? | 16:29 |
| ggabriel | what gives? | 16:29 |
| ggabriel | is this how seriously fairphone is taking their business? | 16:29 |
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| ottulo_ | different colour coat/hat, prob a manager of some sort | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | also, those 2 with the tweezers, no mask, no nothing | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | I don't want the phone that comes with that component | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | also, why fill up the distribution center -before- sending to europe? why not -while- sending to europe? | 16:31 |
| ggabriel | sorry, I'm trolling a little bit :) | 16:31 |
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| ggabriel | this is the problem with trnasparency ;) | 16:31 |
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| ottulo_ | I used to work in production for Nokia, so it does seem a bit funny | 16:31 |
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| ottulo_ | then again, we weren't wearing masks either, just gloves and ESD clothing/sandals | 16:31 |
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| ottulo_ | and a hair net, I think, it's been too long | 16:32 |
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| pdanek | DO you guys have high expectations from Android 7? | 17:17 |
| pdanek | It should finally bring split screen for tablets. | 17:18 |
| ggabriel | is there a 7 already? :P | 17:18 |
| ggabriel | I think I'm running 4 | 17:18 |
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| pdanek | And in general it should be more or less replacement for Chrome OS for laptops | 17:18 |
| pdanek | ggabriel: no, planned for 2016 | 17:18 |
| ggabriel | so latest is 6 or 5? | 17:18 |
| pdanek | latest is 6 from maybe 2 months ago? | 17:18 |
| ggabriel | oh, ok | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | I heard that sammy has had split screen for a while, but maybe it's their customisation only | 17:19 |
| pdanek | Btw, what about the Sailfish split screen, is it implemented already? Can it be enabled on Jolla? | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | you'll have to ask tablet owners about that :) | 17:19 |
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| pdanek | ggabriel: can't be just enabled on Jolla? some phones are nearly as big as tablets, that would be silly to restrict it for tablets | 17:20 |
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| ggabriel | tbh, I don't even know if it's finished. did you check the roadmap? | 17:20 |
| pdanek | roadmap seems to be stuck in the past, without any updates really | 17:21 |
| pdanek | nobody has updated it for months | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | :( | 17:21 |
| pdanek | and it ends by 2015, no roadmap for 2016 as well | 17:21 |
| pdanek | and Antti said in his talk that small companies like Jolla must be really fast to succeed :) | 17:22 |
| pdanek | having roadmap with latest update in August doesn't seem to be "fast" :D | 17:22 |
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| pdanek | 2016 behind the door and no roadmap on horizon | 17:22 |
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| phdeswer | pdanek: or just no time to update paperwork and spending time to actually do things? | 17:32 |
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| pdanek | phdeswer: that's job for 1 hour, isn't it? | 17:33 |
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| pdanek | it is the only place where people can actually see what is planned in OS, what are people working on | 17:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: given the circumstances, id expect 'nice to haves' like that are going to slip a bit | 17:38 |
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| phlixi_ | there are a lot of jobs that take only one hour | 17:48 |
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| pdanek | How is Sailfish browser developed? Is it now completely independent fork of Firefox, or it's being updated based on new Firefox/Gecko releases? | 18:25 |
| pdanek | What version of Gecko is it using? | 18:26 |
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| phlixi_ | you might want to visit about:about | 18:42 |
| phlixi_ | probably support | 18:42 |
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| Raim | pdanek: http://blog.idempotent.info/posts/whats-behind-sailfish-browser.html | 18:43 |
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| pdanek | thanks | 18:49 |
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| pdanek | Out of curiosity, why most of today's mobile browsers use Blink/Webkit? | 18:50 |
| pdanek | Is there any reason why not Gecko? | 18:50 |
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| pdanek | Sailfish browser seems to be an exception, stranegly | 18:50 |
| phlixi_ | webkit is apples fork of kdes browser, why should they use something else... firefox didnt exist back then | 18:50 |
| phlixi_ | chrome used webkit as well.. and forked it, thats blink | 18:51 |
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| phlixi_ | why should google not use its own browser | 18:51 |
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| phlixi_ | and everybody else uses whatever... ms sticks with trident | 18:51 |
| phlixi_ | and the rest probably at least half is firefox | 18:51 |
| phlixi_ | or gecko | 18:51 |
| M4rtinK | also I guess the WebKit/Blink core is maybe easier to embed ? | 18:52 |
| phlixi_ | i am prett sure if that would be the case, sailfish stock browser would be webkit based | 18:53 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: thats what ive heard, apparently a lot of the work done on the sailfish browser was making embedable | 18:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | *gecko embedable | 18:54 |
| M4rtinK | well, there is a long tradition in using a Firefox core for the default browser | 18:54 |
| M4rtinK | going back at least to MicroB | 18:54 |
| phlixi_ | good point | 18:54 |
| M4rtinK | the Harmattan browser also had a Firefox core | 18:54 |
| M4rtinK | also, at least you have a single Gecko | 18:55 |
| r0kk3rz | thats what i remember from tworaz talking about it anyway | 18:55 |
| M4rtinK | while there is Webkit 1, 2, Blink, Qt WebEngine, etc. | 18:55 |
| M4rtinK | also Webkit & co are usually a huge bundling mess | 18:55 |
| M4rtinK | could be that Gecko is less so | 18:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | reasons might also be less technical, more political | 18:56 |
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| pdanek | phlixi_: I'm speaking about the countless number of small Android browsers, not big names like Opera, Explorer, Chrome, none of them is Gecko... | 19:05 |
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| phlixi_ | i guess most of them are just webviews, and thereore more or less standard android.... thus blink | 19:06 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its rather easy to slap a ui an a webview in android | 19:11 |
| r0kk3rz | but it would be nice if quicksilver was developed into a usable app | 19:13 |
| r0kk3rz | would give people a few options as far as browser engines is concerned | 19:13 |
| pdanek | http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/179542-thumb/Intro-table.png - most of them are WebKit based | 19:13 |
| pdanek | I wonder why nobody makes new browsers with Gecko on Android, except Mozilla. | 19:13 |
| phlixi_ | see above | 19:14 |
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| phlixi_ | webview | 19:14 |
| phlixi_ | same for ios | 19:14 |
| phlixi_ | it wasnt even allowed to have different webviews than the default safari ones (webkit)... now you are allowed to bring your own renderer | 19:14 |
| pdanek | So Firefox should release something similar, to allow developers to craft their own browser much quicker. | 19:15 |
| pdanek | Because usage of Gecko rapidly decreases. | 19:15 |
| pdanek | And that will bring much incompatibilities of websites in the future. | 19:15 |
| pdanek | Because at some point, not so many web developers will care about testing on Gecko anymore. | 19:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | mz doesnt care about gecko anymore though | 19:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | they have their electrolysis project | 19:32 |
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| pdanek | r0kk3rz: and that's exactly the reason why I asked about development process for Sailfish browser | 19:33 |
| pdanek | I imagined that when Firefox will fully switch to e10s, will Sailfish browser too? | 19:34 |
| phlixi_ | from a sailfish users point of view there is a much more important problem then webdevs not careing about firefox.. | 19:34 |
| phlixi_ | ... a lot of pages rely on the usergent to decide if they "allow" you to get the mobile version | 19:35 |
| phlixi_ | unfortunately sailfishs stock browser is often not reckognized | 19:35 |
| phlixi_ | thus you get totally unusable pages instead of little things not looking as nice as in other browsers | 19:36 |
| pdanek | true | 19:36 |
| pdanek | anyway | 19:37 |
| pdanek | Jolla shouldn't take the browser development lightly. | 19:37 |
| pdanek | Browser is nowadays core app of whole OS. | 19:37 |
| pdanek | And most of first time Sailfish OS users will judge the OS based on browser experience, be it UI or performance. | 19:38 |
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| Venemo_j | pdanek: e10s = ? | 19:38 |
| phlixi_ | i am pretty sure for most people thats bnot true, their most important apps are facebook and whatsap (or similar in other regions) | 19:38 |
| pdanek | Venemo_j: e10s = Electrolysis | 19:38 |
| Venemo_j | which is? | 19:38 |
| pdanek | Venemo: Mozilla's effort to rewrite Firefox and Gecko engine to use multi-process architecture, but different from the one used in Chrome. | 19:40 |
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| pdanek | They already have Alpha builds for both desktop and Android. | 19:41 |
| pdanek | It should be slowly rolled for users without addons in following versions 46+. | 19:41 |
| pdanek | It pretty much means death of current Firefoox plugins which aren't limited to Javascript, XUL will be removed in future. | 19:42 |
| pdanek | phlixi_: whatsapp / facebook isn't part of OS | 19:43 |
| pdanek | people will judge the app, not OS, right? | 19:43 |
| pdanek | Sailfish browser = Sailfish OS, even the name says that | 19:43 |
| pdanek | so if the browser sucks, the OS sucks? | 19:44 |
| phlixi_ | i wasnt talking about sailfish | 19:44 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: im not even sure most users make that distinction | 19:44 |
| r0kk3rz | more brands, i have an iphone, my friend has a samsung | 19:45 |
| pdanek | I know many people who use Facebook in browser on Android, not having an app installed, you know what I mean? | 19:45 |
| phlixi_ | i was talking about the majority... they do not recognize if they are browsing inside the qr reader webview | 19:45 |
| pdanek | and those are non-techies... they're just lazy to install facebook or whatever reason | 19:45 |
| pdanek | browser is preinstalled, so many people will use it for most of tasks | 19:45 |
| kimmoli | for majority, there is not even OS, it just a phone which does not work | 19:46 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: 40% of web traffic is now done through the facebook app webview | 19:46 |
| phlixi_ | pdanek go on the bus, look what people are using, they are doing whatsapp, facebook youtube and some bubble games | 19:46 |
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| phlixi_ | it is astonishing how much those blubble games are played | 19:54 |
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| pdanek | phlixi_: :D | 20:08 |
| phlixi_ | you know, those where it is impossible to win until aou buy more turns, or powerups or whatever | 20:08 |
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| pdanek | phlixi_: large amount of games make you wait some time until you can play new level again, unless you buy | 20:18 |
| pdanek | and in most cases this can be easily tricked by simply changing time/date in your phone | 20:18 |
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| pdanek | when playing Trials Fusion on my phone, in order to maintime same time in my phone, I always moved 1 day ahead... I ended up 2 months ahead of actual date :D | 20:19 |
| pdanek | maintain* | 20:19 |
| phlixi_ | lol | 20:19 |
| pdanek | but great game, I recommend... runs flawlessly on Jolla | 20:20 |
| pdanek | even better one is called 99 Problems | 20:21 |
| phlixi_ | i dont play on phones | 20:24 |
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| pdanek | phlixi_: What do you do during take off when flying? | 20:26 |
| pdanek | No internet, nothing to do. | 20:26 |
| pdanek | Can't watch movie, use laptop. | 20:27 |
| r0kk3rz | remain idle? its only a few minutes | 20:27 |
| phlixi_ | ^^ | 20:27 |
| phlixi_ | look at one of those 40 tabs :D | 20:27 |
| pdanek | Nah, I'm too hyperactive for that. | 20:27 |
| phlixi_ | on jolla, look at one of those 2-3 tabs, other have to be reloaded | 20:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: your mind doesnt have to be idle | 20:28 |
| pdanek | Or when taking a dump at work, the toilets often lose signal and just nothing to do, so I play game. :D | 20:28 |
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| phlixi_ | same thing | 20:30 |
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| phlixi_ | except, i often do tests on android / iphone, thus some times, maybe 2-3 times per year, i actually take the iphone and play such games | 20:30 |
| phlixi_ | last onen i played was "SPL-T" | 20:31 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: this explains why you ask so many questions :D | 20:31 |
| phlixi_ | hrhr | 20:32 |
| phlixi_ | ...beak 30k :D | 20:32 |
| phlixi_ | ...beat 30k :D | 20:32 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: I'm keeping the channel alive. :P | 20:33 |
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| pdanek | Guys | 21:25 |
| pdanek | There is option to import contacts from sim card to phone | 21:26 |
| pdanek | How to force copy contacts from phone to SIM card? | 21:26 |
| pdanek | People discussed creating backup file on together jolla | 21:28 |
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| pdanek | but that's not feasible, phone must be able to copy to SIM. | 21:28 |
| pdanek | simply because I don't have SD card to make a backup and I want to temporarily switch phone... so how to do that? | 21:29 |
| Jope | so copy the vcard out | 21:29 |
| Jope | why use an sd card | 21:29 |
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| pdanek | jope: where is the vcard located? | 21:30 |
| pdanek | how to export into vcard on Jolla? | 21:30 |
| Jope | it's somewhere in /home/nemo/.vault if you made a backup with the phone's backup tool | 21:31 |
| Jope | alternately, open up a terminal | 21:31 |
| Jope | devel-su -p /usr/bin/vcardconverter -e mycontacts.vcf | 21:31 |
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| Jope | and you get to create it where-ever you please | 21:31 |
| pdanek | thanks | 21:31 |
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| pdanek | got it, via backup tool | 21:32 |
| pdanek | thanks again | 21:32 |
| tigeli | maaaaggic | 21:32 |
| Jope | http://i.imgur.com/YsbKHg1.gif | 21:33 |
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| pdanek | hmm, now | 21:35 |
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| pdanek | how to delete all contacts at once? | 21:35 |
| pdanek | without resetting my phone to factory | 21:36 |
| Jope | I used to know this, but can't remember now | 21:36 |
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| TemeV | at least deleting the database file should do the trick :) | 21:37 |
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| pdanek | TemeV: do you know where the People database file is located please? | 21:38 |
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| TemeV | /home/nemo/.local/share/something I guess | 21:39 |
| TemeV | I can check in a minute if you don't find it | 21:39 |
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| cb400f | there's an option to delete all contacts in the "People" app settings iirc | 21:40 |
| pdanek | cb400f: oh it is, under swipe down | 21:42 |
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| pdanek | sometimes I hate this, quite un-intuitive to always check if there is hidden menu or not | 21:42 |
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| pdanek | cb400f: it doesn't work | 21:47 |
| pdanek | only 29 contacts were deleted | 21:47 |
| pdanek | and I have many more contacts left | 21:47 |
| pdanek | that option now doesn't delete anything, yet I have plenty in People app | 21:47 |
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| pdanek | ok | 21:48 |
| pdanek | they were from Google account | 21:48 |
| pdanek | after deleting the account, they're gone | 21:49 |
| pdanek | solved | 21:49 |
| pdanek | thanks | 21:49 |
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