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| flux | does anyone know of a thin ~jolla-sized external battery? | 08:39 |
| flux | I was thinking such a thing might be nice if added some magnets compatible with the tohkbd back cover | 08:39 |
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| Mikaela | Check TJC, some phone model was | 08:44 |
| kimmoli | flux: http://techreplies.com/sonys-new-super-thin-external-usb-battery.html | 08:49 |
| kimmoli | something like that? it is little bit wider than phone | 08:49 |
| flux | jolla is 131 x 68 x 9.9, that thing is 130.6 x 70.4 x 12.9, pretty darn exact fit! | 08:51 |
| flux | only thing missing is a super-short usb cable to connect it :) | 08:51 |
| flux | not sure if one can actually buy that battery, though :-) | 08:52 |
| kimmoli | http://usbfever.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2320 | 08:52 |
| flux | nooo, I must go shorter! | 08:53 |
| coderus | solder | 08:53 |
| flux | ..but that's pretty nice | 08:53 |
| flux | I guess it would be reasonable to try shortening that cable | 08:53 |
| flux | and not mind shorting that 7000mAh+ battery in your pocket.. ;) | 08:53 |
| kimmoli | 20cm is not super-short | 08:54 |
| kimmoli | but it has angled connectors | 08:54 |
| kimmoli | or tear apart the battery-pack and add pogopins to connect to tohkbd-toh charging input | 08:55 |
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| flux | according to my quick ebay review, 10 cm cables with both connectors angled are pretty much non-existant :/ | 08:57 |
| flux | well, I can worry about it when that battery is actually available :) | 08:58 |
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| kimmoli | http://www.dhgate.com/product/hight-quality-gift-ultra-thin-usb-battery/161698018.html | 09:01 |
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| kimmoli | there are these "10000mAh" options then | 09:01 |
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| flux | free shipping to finland via ups? :-o | 09:07 |
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| flux | but it's going to be 8 mm narrower than jolla, so the magnets might not work well | 09:09 |
| flux | oops I mean shorter | 09:09 |
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| flux | width is fine, but only one set of the magnets get proper contact? | 09:09 |
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| kimmoli | 3d print some holder? | 09:34 |
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| flux | that's certainly an option, but on the other hand it would be wasting space that could be used for battery | 09:37 |
| flux | batter than nothing I guess :) | 09:37 |
| flux | in particular given the price of the battery.. though almost certainly it is less than rated size :) | 09:38 |
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| sledges | ggabriel: thanks for asking, yes, safe and sound, enjoying countryside piece'n'quiet:)) | 09:38 |
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| phlixi_o | it has to be something really silly, but i am not able to cennect via putty | 12:41 |
| phlixi_o | ...at the same time no problem with filezilla to connect to Jolla via SFTP | 12:42 |
| phlixi_o | any ideas what this might cause? | 12:43 |
| Wnt | phlixi_o: what is your error when trying to connect with putty? | 12:44 |
| phlixi_o | no error, just takes forever | 12:45 |
| Wnt | yuo use the same ip & port as with filezilla? on the same machine? | 12:45 |
| phlixi_o | in filezilla i do not use ip, but just "Jolla" (without the quotes) as hostname, no port, thus i guess default is used (22) | 12:46 |
| Wnt | do you have some software firewall which might prevent putty from making outbound connections? | 12:46 |
| phlixi_o | i can connect to other machines just fine with putty | 12:47 |
| phlixi_o | i havent used it for a while, but had saved connections and they worked a few months back... | 12:47 |
| Wnt | check your jolla's ip-address from the settings -> developer mode -> | 12:47 |
| phlixi_o | same result | 12:47 |
| Wnt | and use that as the server address in putty? | 12:47 |
| phlixi_o | already tried ip instead of hostname, because hostname "Jolla" gets converted to "Jolla.fritz.box" (also tried "Jolla.") | 12:48 |
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| Wnt | try running Putty with command line parameter -v so you can see more datails what it is doing before it hangs http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.58/htmldoc/Chapter3.html#using-cmdline-v | 12:50 |
| phlixi_o | when you said "What error message?" I started a new try, and it is still just blinking cursor (thats 5 minutes now...) i think usually this should already give an error like "does not respond" or similar | 12:50 |
| phlixi_o | yeah, thats a good ida | 12:50 |
| phlixi_o | idea | 12:50 |
| phlixi_o | ...could have come up myself to start it via CLI and more verbose.. | 12:51 |
| phlixi_o | no cygwin on this machine just s*cks... | 12:53 |
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| coderus | i'm using MobaXTerm instead of putty these days | 13:03 |
| phlixi_o | if it is some sort of problem with piutty, i probably install cygwin as on the other machines... | 13:04 |
| phlixi_o | but thats weird, it was working when i configured it, now it does not anymore... | 13:05 |
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| lainwir3d | my mms don't work anymore :-( | 13:19 |
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| sledges | lainwir3d: mms logger installed? | 13:24 |
| lainwir3d | nope, looking at the daemon traces | 13:25 |
| coderus | phlixi_o: mobaxterm have cygwin inside :D | 13:25 |
| coderus | kind of | 13:25 |
| lainwir3d | sledges: seems like the end url terminates in 404 | 13:25 |
| lainwir3d | 404 error I mean | 13:25 |
| lainwir3d | seems like an operator problem | 13:25 |
| sledges | lainwir3d: try another phoen | 13:25 |
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| lainwir3d | don't have one for the moment :-/ | 13:26 |
| lainwir3d | I'll keep looking up | 13:26 |
| phlixi_o | coderus: the screenshots look nice, but do not think i will pay 50 bucks for that, i only need a commanline no RDP etc (already have tools for that) | 13:28 |
| coderus | phlixi_o: there is free version | 13:29 |
| coderus | bucks for something like more than 3 tabs i think | 13:29 |
| coderus | and i have a crack for it :D | 13:29 |
| phlixi_o | ...also i think "Remove unwanted games, screensaver or tools" either means the free version comes with malware (of course they will call it "premium extras or whatever", or that it has some kind of malware remover tool or whatever (what shouldnt be part of such remote-thingy-hub) thus i consider it beeing "shady software" | 13:30 |
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| phlixi_o | ...or at least bloatware | 13:32 |
| phlixi_o | but thanks for the suggestion, much appreciated :-) | 13:32 |
| coderus | phlixi_o: "games" comes with cygwin installation :D there is packages manager for it. | 13:34 |
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| lainwir3d | well, works again | 13:40 |
| lainwir3d | don't know what i've done | 13:40 |
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| pdanek | I need Intex. | 16:58 |
| pdanek | Why is it taking so long. | 16:58 |
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| phlixi_o | such impatientness | 17:07 |
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| Yaniel | does XMPP on sfos support StartTLS? | 18:24 |
| cehteh | isnt starttls the default in xmpp? | 18:30 |
| cehteh | at least it works for me | 18:32 |
| cehteh | server only listends at 5222 .. so i guess thats starttls | 18:33 |
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| Yaniel | hmm... | 18:36 |
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| flux | I ~copy-pasted mpris support to vlc-remote, now it can be controlled from my pebble! | 19:54 |
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| coderus | yes pbble can control mpris supported players | 20:01 |
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| pdanek | coderus, flux: Are you talking about Pebble Classic? | 20:21 |
| pdanek | Is it still worth buying? Or outdated watch? | 20:22 |
| Helle | pdanek: it's still worth it actually for many reasons | 20:25 |
| flux | pdanek, I have Pebble Steel and it's nice | 20:25 |
| Helle | I own the Pebble Time (and pondering a Pebble Time Round sometime during the year for a cuter watch) | 20:25 |
| pdanek | hmmm | 20:25 |
| Helle | but most major apps I use work fine on the original | 20:25 |
| Helle | the main limitation is that the OS is a bit weird, I think they still only allow 8 apps installed at once | 20:26 |
| flux | I don't think it's just weirdness for weirdness sake, because the MCU has very puny resources | 20:26 |
| flux | ie. flash | 20:26 |
| flux | ..but they could probably have allocated in a more dynamic fashion | 20:26 |
| Helle | flux: the Pebble Time also has a limited # of apps installed, but when you select an app that is uninstalled on the watch and it downloads it on the fly | 20:27 |
| flux | but on the other hand it was just last friday at a bar when a colleague's LG did not show time by mine did.. ;-) (ie. out of battery) | 20:27 |
| Helle | even with the OS update, the original Pebble still doesn't do that appaerently | 20:27 |
| flux | helle, I don't think the original pebble still has the new os? or has it been released now? | 20:27 |
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| Helle | flux: it's just been released | 20:27 |
| flux | oh, nice | 20:28 |
| Helle | flux: the Pebble watches are the only ones I'd consider for battery life reasons alone | 20:28 |
| pdanek | Pebble Time round in all black looks nice | 20:28 |
| flux | well, regardless I guess the Jolla app won't have such a great v3 support for some time | 20:28 |
| pdanek | but I think Sailfish support on Pebble Time isn't top notch | 20:28 |
| Helle | it isn't | 20:28 |
| pdanek | for full support I need pebble classic | 20:28 |
| flux | for full..ish ;-) | 20:28 |
| Helle | I have my watch paired to my tablet unless I am travelling | 20:28 |
| Helle | so yeah | 20:29 |
| Helle | I might look at fixing some stuff | 20:29 |
| Helle | I really like my red and black one (actually I am not a huge fan of the availible round ones, gold isn't quite my colour.... and others are more masculin) | 20:29 |
| Helle | (which is also the issue with the regular Time) | 20:30 |
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| sobukus | Meh, just realised that the Jolla doesn't read an UDF sd card. | 23:10 |
| sobukus | This filesystem is about the only choice that has files > 4GiB and some kind of portability between machines (especially by avoiding ownership/permissions). | 23:11 |
| noume | haven't tried that yet but btrfs, ext2/3/4, exfat, vfat, fat works | 23:11 |
| noume | maybe even NTFS | 23:11 |
| sobukus | Need files > 4 GiB. And about ext2: What UID should own the files? Was it 1000 for nemo? | 23:12 |
| noume | mom | 23:12 |
| noume | i'll look it up | 23:12 |
| noume | According to /etc/passwd the UID is 100000 | 23:13 |
| sobukus | Oh, wow. | 23:15 |
| sobukus | Well, giving the filesystem mode 1777 should be a start to allow the Jolla to write to it. | 23:15 |
| noume | btrfs has some quirks as the Jolla can only work with low versions of btrfs | 23:16 |
| sobukus | It's funny that the device indeed jumped on btrfs so early. You wouldn't think that a high-performance large-scale filesystem is needed for a smartphone. | 23:17 |
| sobukus | noume: Wait … exfat is supported? So Jolla paid MS for a license? | 23:17 |
| noume | And it is completely unnecessary | 23:17 |
| noume | sobukus: You'll need to install some third party utils but from then on it works | 23:18 |
| noume | So no official support | 23:18 |
| noume | as far as i have seen, the JOlla phone uses none of the killer features of btrfs that ext4 could not do | 23:19 |
| sobukus | Hm, before I install exfat, I'd rather just install the udf driver, which should be part of the kernel. | 23:19 |
| sobukus | I could mount it via root shell if the mount scripts don't get it yet … and even that looks like something trivial to fix. | 23:20 |
| noume | Why are you trying to use UDF? If i'm not mistaken, UDF is a WORM filesystem... | 23:20 |
| sobukus | Nope. | 23:20 |
| sobukus | UDF is also designed for DVD-RAM, it's read/write, can do large files, needs no permissions (ownership optional, methinks). | 23:21 |
| sobukus | It's supported in various operating systems since a long time. | 23:21 |
| noume | Can it do permissions? | 23:21 |
| sobukus | I think it can, but actually I don't want it to. | 23:22 |
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| sobukus | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format | 23:22 |
| noume | I still can't see a reason for using it | 23:22 |
| noume | Maybe large file support and compatibility with Windows | 23:23 |
| cehteh | if it would be better supported only | 23:24 |
| sobukus | Those two and exactly the point of having _no_ permissions. | 23:24 |
| sobukus | For a sdcard that I swap between devices, file permissons are a nuisance. | 23:24 |
| sobukus | I don't have user 100000 on my other machines. | 23:24 |
| noume | ok, fair point. But you still have rsync, UMS, sshfs and scp on the Jolla phone. All of which are supported by Windows | 23:25 |
| sobukus | Well, I don't actually have to copy data to windows machines on a regular basis, it just feels wrong to format removable small-scale storage with full-blown UNIX filesystems. | 23:26 |
| noume | or free(ware) third party software | 23:26 |
| noume | But it still makes sense | 23:26 |
| sobukus | And having differing UID on my laptop vs. the Jolla is inconvenient … the user restrictions of the file system make no sense there. | 23:26 |
| noume | any unix filesystem is better than vfat | 23:27 |
| noume | it's faster and has less overhead | 23:27 |
| phlixi_ | except even your fridge probably can read and write fat | 23:27 |
| phlixi_ | speed is probably always bad on micro sd | 23:28 |
| noume | That only matters if you ever plan to swap your storage SD card between your phone and your fridge | 23:28 |
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| noume | there are tf cards that can read and write in excess of 60MBytes/s | 23:28 |
| noume | that's not what i'd consider slow | 23:29 |
| * phlixi_ never takes the sd out of the phone... | 23:29 | |
| phlixi_ | thats what wlan is made for :D | 23:29 |
| sobukus | Well, I do swap between phone and laptop. With ext2/3/4 I'll have to mess with permissons as root user … | 23:29 |
| noume | i'm purely using scp and rsync for that | 23:29 |
| sobukus | Via developer mode? | 23:29 |
| noume | yes | 23:30 |
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| phlixi_ | yes | 23:30 |
| noume | you could also uses SMB/Samba for that as well | 23:30 |
| phlixi_ | or even mtp *g* | 23:30 |
| noume | that's the more Windows'ish way to do it | 23:30 |
| sobukus | The transfer via USB MTP is a pain under Linux. | 23:30 |
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| noume | God forbid, not MTP, no! | 23:30 |
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| phlixi_ | its is unusable on windows too | 23:31 |
| noume | it works quite well but it is painfully slow | 23:31 |
| phlixi_ | to be fair never tried it on the jolla, but on several nexus, that was allways hell | 23:31 |
| noume | there are so many different MTP versions out there and not all of them are supported by every Windows version | 23:31 |
| noume | it appears to work better on linux with libmtp thatn with Windows prior to Win7 | 23:31 |
| coderus | kernel patches seems to be required for udf support? | 23:31 |
| noume | you could always use fuse | 23:32 |
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| sobukus | coderus: A normal Linux has UDF as standard filesystem in kernel. I would be surprised if there would be hackery needed for the Jolla kernel, unless somebody intentionally wanted to make it hard … | 23:34 |
| noume | if the kernel does not have support, you could still compile your own? | 23:34 |
| noume | That'S not a very good option, i know | 23:35 |
| sobukus | I'd need the kernel sources, are they available easily? just building a module shouldn't even be too hard on the device itself. | 23:36 |
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| noume | it would take quite a lot of time i guess | 23:39 |
| sobukus | I built kernels on laptops slower than the Jolla;-) | 23:39 |
| sobukus | But well, I'm trying ext2 for now. | 23:40 |
| noume | and if there are any blobs involved you'll need an appropriate kernel version | 23:40 |
| sobukus | UDF is as open as it gets, no blobs. | 23:40 |
| noume | cross compiling to ARM is quite slow but if you have another more beefy device with the same ARM architecture, that might be a better option | 23:40 |
| sobukus | I'm really wondering why it is not used more. | 23:40 |
| noume | You would have to compile EVERYTHING, not just the UDF support | 23:41 |
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| noume | uhm, maybe because UDF has no killer features and it is not that popular | 23:49 |
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| sobukus | noume: Eh, it's not popular because it is not that popular? | 23:52 |
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| sobukus | Can't argue with that logic;-) | 23:52 |
| noume | it is not used more because not too many people know about it | 23:52 |
| noume | that's what i wanted to say | 23:53 |
| sobukus | Well, it is still strange, because it would be good to replace FAT for external media. | 23:53 |
| sobukus | It's royalty-free, it can do large files. That's a killer feature. | 23:53 |
| noume | and so does almost any modern filesystem used in UNIX-like operating systems | 23:55 |
| noume | the only downside is: No Windows support | 23:56 |
| sobukus | And nuisance between machines because of non-matching UIDs. | 23:57 |
| noume | That'S what ACLs are for | 23:58 |
| noume | or maybe you could make your filesystems UID-agnostic, if that's possible | 23:58 |
| noume | ext2 maybe? | 23:58 |
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