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| flux | I hope at least one of the Qt(Quick)-based mobile OSes survive.. | 07:55 |
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| flux | so I guess that's Blackberry's and Jolla's, not sure about Canonical's? | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | canonical is qtquick too | 07:56 |
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| ballock | I've got a dd'd image of my mmcblk0p28 with all my data there | 09:05 |
| ballock | and I'd like to just copy over to a factory-default image some minor things: | 09:06 |
| ballock | sms history, contacts, notes | 09:06 |
| ballock | Can you point me which dirs I need to copy for those? | 09:06 |
| ballock | I guessed I need .local/share/commhistory/ for SMS history | 09:06 |
| ballock | I guess .local/share/jolla-notes is for notes, | 09:07 |
| ballock | what about the contacts? | 09:07 |
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| Tofe | ballock: wouldn't it be easier to backup the backup vault ? | 09:16 |
| ballock | Tofe: the image is off the device | 09:17 |
| ballock | I would need to bring it back, run the backup to vault, take it off, restore the current factory one and then restore the backup vault | 09:18 |
| Tofe | ah ok | 09:18 |
| ballock | No, it doesn't seem easier. It only seems easier if there's no information on the contact database. | 09:18 |
| ballock | Like: If only I knew where the contacts db is, I could just copy it over. | 09:19 |
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| Tofe | there was a post on TJC that gave a hint about that iirc | 09:19 |
| ballock | I did try googling on tjc, I did try to find a filename that could hint about its contents. | 09:20 |
| ballock | Unfortunately the only TJC posts I found where with the vault People vcd location. | 09:20 |
| ballock | s/where/was/ | 09:21 |
| Tofe | well, the db must be somewhere in .local/share I guess, but I don't actually know | 09:21 |
| ballock | ok, perhaps this: ./.local/share/system/privileged/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite | 09:23 |
| lainwir3d | o/ | 09:23 |
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| ballock | Hmm... I guess I should also copy the accounts setup, it might get refereced | 09:26 |
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| ballock | Ok, let's see... | 09:29 |
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| ballock | Ok, that seems to have worked. | 09:45 |
| ballock | btw, why is there a 'make a selfie' button, but no 'make a picture' button? selfie is narcistic, I never use it. I have physical people that make pictures of me. | 09:48 |
| ballock | I mean 2.0.10 | 09:48 |
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| ballock | Is there just a selfie camera in the tablet? Is that the reason? | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | jolla tablet? it should have 2 | 09:50 |
| ballock | Then it's a curious use case to include a selfie button in quick actions and not even allow for a regular (back camera) photo quick action. | 09:51 |
| ballock | What's that? An iphone? | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | dunno, I don't have the tablet yet :P maybe one day... | 09:52 |
| lainwir3d | there is both indeed | 09:52 |
| narchi4 | when can I pay vat payments for joll tablet | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | narchi4: when they send an email and tell you | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | but right now things are pretty stale | 09:52 |
| ballock | ggabriel: but it's in the phone version too | 09:52 |
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| lainwir3d | ballock: you can remove it | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | ballock: uhm... which quick action are you talking about? | 09:53 |
| lainwir3d | but it's true that you cannot replace it with "take a picture" | 09:53 |
| ballock | lainwir3d: yes, but there's no regular picture action to pick instead! | 09:53 |
| lainwir3d | ggabriel: take a selfie | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | o i c | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | sorry, don't really use quick actions and never realized | 09:54 |
| ballock | What a damn genie adds a selfie option without a regular one? Narcist. | 09:54 |
| ballock | Sorry if the genie is here and reads that, but. This. Is. Just. Wrong. | 09:54 |
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| narchi4 | first let me take a selfie | 09:54 |
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| narchi4 | jolla community | 09:55 |
| narchi4 | complain about selfie cameras | 09:55 |
| narchi4 | #peoplePowdered | 09:55 |
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| ballock | Even the Instagram Husbands would object (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFzKi-o4rHw). | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | there are a number of things missing there fwiw, it would be nice to have a way of plugging in more | 09:55 |
| ballock | ggabriel: I agree. But... selfie? | 09:56 |
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| ggabriel | ballock: it's popular, I wouldn't worry/care | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | sfos 2.0 brought a lot of bad habits of ios/android too, it isn't the end of the world | 09:57 |
| ballock | ggabriel: It's just against my philosophy of being. I feel discriminated! | 09:57 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | still better selfies than ballfies :) | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | ballock: hahaha, I feel you man | 09:57 |
| ballock | Anybody experimented with using 1.7 UI on Sailfish 2.0? | 09:58 |
| ballock | Can I use some subset of packages there? | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | I don't know of anybody who did that, some people stayed in 1.7 | 09:59 |
| ballock | I mean, I like the events view which includes the calendar events, I need 2.0 due to keyboard mapping on tohkbd2 | 09:59 |
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| ballock | But the cover actions are just useless now. | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | they aren't as good | 10:00 |
| ballock | No, they are counter-productive now. | 10:00 |
| ballock | You can tap on the cover action while you just wanted to bring focus to the app. | 10:00 |
| ballock | I don't remember using any cover actions since upgrading to 2.0 | 10:01 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | that's what I was talking about yesterday, probably the only thing that really pissed me off | 10:01 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | I just got used to all the other changes, but the cover actions now are pain in the ass | 10:02 |
| ballock | Could we get the UI sources if there's nobody that would take care of them due to you-know-what? | 10:03 |
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| ballock | Or maybe it's enough to port the previous QML of the UI? And/or merge them?\ | 10:04 |
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| ballock | Anybody knows where are the app icon locations stored? | 10:14 |
| ballock | I've got a total mess atm. | 10:14 |
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| Rikudou_Sennin | ballock: /usr/share/icons/ | 10:18 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | ballock: there are some folders where the icons are stored | 10:18 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | mostly /usr/share/icons/hicolor/86x86/apps | 10:18 |
| ballock | Rikudou_Sennin: Sorry, I meant their row/column in the menu. | 10:20 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | I think it will be somewhere in /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 | 10:21 |
| ballock | Rikudou_Sennin: Found it. Thanks for the 'lipstick' tip, the location seem to be in ~/.config/nemomobile/lipstick.conf | 10:23 |
| ballock | It's.. just.. a little bit weird: | 10:25 |
| ballock | [LauncherOrder] | 10:25 |
| ballock | usr\share\applications\fingerterm.desktop=70 | 10:25 |
| ballock | \? | 10:25 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | what's weird? | 10:26 |
| ballock | backslashes (\) | 10:26 |
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| ballock | Ok, I back it off, the file seems to have been used with the UI which did not have the 'folders' idea. | 10:30 |
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| ballock | .config/lipstick/applications.menu seems to be the place | 10:32 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | and what are you trying to do? | 10:32 |
| ballock | Reorder the icons in such I way that my muscle memory is accustomed to. | 10:33 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | why you don't just move them? | 10:33 |
| ballock | I am. I just didn't remember how they were set in the first place. Muscle memory is different than real memory. | 10:34 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | ah, ok :) | 10:34 |
| ballock | There was also some mer tools ssu repo or so? | 10:36 |
| ballock | I can't find netcat with pkcon. | 10:36 |
| flux | how amazingly heavy operation it is to open the top flick menu.. all my apps give the 'would you want to close this' dialog when I do it the first time :) | 10:37 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | ballock: I don't know, I think you would need to compile it | 10:38 |
| ballock | Come on. Netcat? | 10:38 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | I did not find it in the repos :) | 10:39 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | ballock: I compiled it for you :) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8923820/netcat-0.7.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 10:46 |
| Rikudou_Sennin | or you can download it from openrepos, I added it | 10:48 |
| ballock | Rikudou_Sennin: sorry, the rpm only has /usr/doc | 10:49 |
| ballock | but thanks for trying, will use ssh for now | 10:49 |
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| Rikudou_Sennin | my bad, will compile again | 10:54 |
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| Rikudou_Sennin | http://t.co/duVmjgwEr9 | 11:04 |
| ballock | Rikudou_Sennin: thanks! | 11:05 |
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| toxip | hello everyone, don't forget to join our newly created jolla fanclub on telegram | 12:19 |
| toxip | https://telegram.me/joinchat/AWx9iQMXrgeo58Y9r39ReQ | 12:19 |
| toxip | hmm, puttytray is unable to register the link properly | 12:22 |
| bogn | What's in there? | 12:23 |
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| cos- | http://world.taobao.com/item/525258878357.htm | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | uhm... too cheap | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | also, 32gb | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | maybe used/prototype? | 12:29 |
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| cos- | or just copy? | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | with pirated firmware? | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | chinese spyware? :P | 12:33 |
| cos- | running symbian with jolla theme? | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | that would be a fast tablet then ;) | 12:33 |
| tortoisedoc | 32 gb ;_; | 12:35 |
| tortoisedoc | thats the one I ordered ;_; | 12:35 |
| bogn | toxip: what's discussed in that fanclub on telegram? | 12:36 |
| cos- | i hope they are not selling our tablets away | 12:36 |
| tortoisedoc | cos- : anything is possible | 12:40 |
| tortoisedoc | if that's the case, i guess jolla is bust | 12:40 |
| tortoisedoc | :/ | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | lights are still on, don't be fatalist | 12:42 |
| toxip | We're discussing about irc<->telegram relay atm | 12:43 |
| toxip | bogn, we talk about everything really | 12:43 |
| toxip | we could create a dedicated channel for the fanclub so people who don't have telegram could chat there | 12:44 |
| lainwir3d | what, didn't everyone get their tablets already ? D-: | 12:45 |
| tbr | gotta love it how they shopped "Android" into the OS field | 12:46 |
| * tbr puts bets on the manufacturer selling off unpaid/unshipped stock or such | 12:47 | |
| Nicd- | the page won't even load for me | 12:47 |
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| ballock | tbr: Maybe this one is android? | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: sounds like a reasonable theory | 12:47 |
| the_mgt | are they selling only one? whats the cart full of packages doing among the pictures? | 12:48 |
| tbr | ballock: well, it might be possible to get android flying, everyone else runs Android on those SoCs. But that would require $effort to make a new factory image. | 12:48 |
| tbr | the_mgt: it implies there are at least 78 items | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: it said 1000 when i looked down, though | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | er, now | 12:49 |
| Nicd- | their CSS and JS won't load for me so the page won't render | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | which is perhaps a bit more odd | 12:49 |
| ballock | tbr: under the condition the pictures have anything to do with what's actually shipped; and that can be a Jolla-looking Android cheaplet | 12:49 |
| SQUelcher | sfos runs android apps, so chinese dealers will sell it as android :P | 12:49 |
| tbr | that was exactly my thought | 12:50 |
| tbr | runs android apps → label as android | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | and suddenly sailfish becomes hot cakes in china by accident? | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:50 |
| toxip | that is some shady business though | 12:50 |
| Nicd- | does that say ¥1180.00? google tells me it's 8 euros... | 12:52 |
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| toxip | wouldn't it be yuan? | 12:52 |
| the_mgt | ( 约USD 181.30?) <- is written behind that | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: 166 eur | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | 1180 RMB | 12:52 |
| tbr | 1180 Chinese Yuan equals | 12:53 |
| tbr | 182.27 US Dollar | 12:53 |
| Nicd- | I'm looking at the page without CSS and JS (all requests timed out) and it says "Â¥ 1180.00" in two places | 12:54 |
| Nicd- | :P | 12:54 |
| ballock | Nicd-: it's China. Make sure to use ipv6. | 12:54 |
| SQUelcher | yen and yuan are using the same currency symbol, which is confusing. | 12:54 |
| Nicd- | ballock: you say that like I had IPv6 ;_; | 12:54 |
| SQUelcher | Nicd-: | 12:54 |
| ballock | I back it off, it's an ipv4-only website | 12:55 |
| ballock | Nicd-: Why don't you? | 12:55 |
| Nicd- | ballock: because no ISP offers it | 12:56 |
| ballock | he.net and sixxs to the rescue | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | too much work for no benefit | 12:56 |
| ballock | though I admit I switched to ISP-provided ipv6 when that became available | 12:56 |
| ballock | Well, my ipv6-addressable PC is available on the internet | 12:57 |
| ln- | Nicd-: many ISPs offer it | 12:57 |
| * tbr has a connection from the consumer arm of a Tier 1 global carrier. they only offer legacy IP, no IPv6 | 12:57 | |
| ballock | just as a number of tiny devices I keep at home. | 12:57 |
| SQUelcher | i've got native ipv6 on vdsl and mobile, which is great. | 12:57 |
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| Nicd- | :( | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | way to rub it in | 12:58 |
| tbr | he.net works great though | 12:58 |
| ballock | I admit youtube did not work through he.net as well as it did over ipv4. | 12:59 |
| ballock | but that might be PoP thing and RTTs | 12:59 |
| ballock | and that when I switched to Orange's IPv6 offering, they tried to pull the plug off a public IP address they provide to its gear | 13:00 |
| ballock | but I worked that around with multiple PPPoE connections. | 13:00 |
| tbr | nice | 13:00 |
| ballock | Well, maybe I'd go with IPv6 only and IPv4 over IPv6 tunnel | 13:01 |
| SQUelcher | on my mobile i can choose between unfiltered public ipv4 and dual stack with a private ipv4 %) | 13:01 |
| ballock | but my cisco gear did not support the particular protocol they designed for it. | 13:01 |
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| ballock | CGNAT or something they called it | 13:02 |
| ballock | you get a IPv6, DNSv6 and a hostname of the other IPv6-to-IPv4 gateway | 13:03 |
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| ballock | so I'd say it's subject to ethernet frame being smaller, and to a twisted dependency chain | 13:04 |
| ballock | - you depend on DNS which is on top of UDP on top of IPv6 to serve DNS, TCP, whatever over IPv4. | 13:05 |
| ballock | but that's just my personal opinion. | 13:05 |
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| plfiorini | lol http://world.taobao.com/item/525246736574.htm | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | not sure how it's 'lol', probably sad consequence of this situation | 13:13 |
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| plfiorini | Stskeeps: there are some things that make me laugh like the brutally photoshopped "Android" in the comparison table | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | plfiorini: sure | 13:17 |
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| sharpneli | So wait what. | 13:23 |
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| sharpneli | Jolla didn't pay for the tablets and now they're liquidating them? | 13:23 |
| Nicd- | possibly | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: i can only presume that factory space takes up $$ | 13:24 |
| Smar | 166 € ? | 13:26 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: at least ship with SFOS! | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: i have no idea what this is about | 13:27 |
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| Smar | those promo images looks really good :P | 13:27 |
| chem|st | the previous versions sold did not show any jolla reference | 13:27 |
| plfiorini | Smar: 166 + shipping from china | 13:28 |
| chem|st | Smar: yeah add shipping and taxes... | 13:28 |
| Smar | I don’t think shipping is much (or at least shouldn’t be), but taxes will take something :P | 13:28 |
| Smar | anyway, curious :P | 13:28 |
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| tortoisedoc | funny, this is exactly the same process that jolla was following, except the destination is not certain :) | 13:39 |
| tortoisedoc | (in this case i mean, whereas before it was fixed already) | 13:39 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : can we also presume that these could be good buys? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | uhh.. you're buying from an essentially anonymous taobao shop? :P | 13:47 |
| narchi4 | jolla tablet | 13:47 |
| narchi4 | selling retail before preorders are manufactured | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | i have no idea who's offering tha | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | t | 13:47 |
| narchi4 | it's the jolla phone all over again | 13:47 |
| tortoisedoc | narchi4 : huh? | 13:47 |
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| AmadeusXNet | SFOS 2.0.0.20 will be out 24th of December? :) Would be a awesome x-mas gift :D | 13:54 |
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| chem|st | AmadeusXNet: what are you counting there? | 13:58 |
| AmadeusXNet | chem|st: Everytime a update gets to my phone. It become better and better. That's something I'm looking forward to. :) | 14:00 |
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| chem|st | AmadeusXNet: sure but .20? version after 2.0.0 is 2.0.1 and as that is close to two months ago... it might even be 2.0.2 | 14:02 |
| AmadeusXNet | Okey, I just picked a number. :) | 14:03 |
| chem|st | although, 2.0.1.5 would be cool as last upgrade of 2015 | 14:03 |
| AmadeusXNet | hehe | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | well, the reviewjolla guy reported 2.0.1 | 14:04 |
| Jope | you aren't all hammering the repo servers with your brute force scripts? :-D | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | I second chem|st tough, maybe GA will be 2.0.1.5 | 14:04 |
| coderus | Jope: i am. latest available is still 2.0.0.10 | 14:05 |
| Jope | ok | 14:05 |
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| chem|st | Jope: is that a DOS challenge now? | 14:09 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: source? | 14:10 |
| pp_ | -rw-rw-r--. 1 pp pp 740 Nov 16 08:42 isitoutyet.py | 14:10 |
| pp_ | answer: no | 14:11 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2015/12/news-update-debts-on-hold-at-jolla.html#more | 14:11 |
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| Bono_NL | would't it be a idea to do a igg campaign to port SailfishOS officially to the Fairphone 2 and so on? | 19:05 |
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| Bono_NL | with stretch goals for longer support. | 19:06 |
| Bono_NL | Alien Dalvik support | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | probably best to prod fairphone about that | 19:06 |
| Bono_NL | prod? | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | poke | 19:08 |
| Bono_NL | aah | 19:09 |
| Bono_NL | I will think about it. | 19:09 |
| Bono_NL | consider | 19:09 |
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| toxip | set up a telegram irc relay bot for jolla fanclub telegram group and #jollafanclub channel | 22:29 |
| toxip | join #jollafanclub if you want to participate in jolla fanclub telegram conversation :) | 22:30 |
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| tiwake | toxip: what is that? | 22:56 |
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| phlixi | like bitlebee i guess | 22:57 |
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| tiwake | toxip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraphy | 22:59 |
| tiwake | using the jolla phone as a HAM radio controller? | 22:59 |
| tiwake | to transmit morse code | 22:59 |
| tiwake | or something | 22:59 |
| phlixi | hehe | 22:59 |
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| toxip | hahaha :D not that telegram | 23:01 |
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| toxip | how do you set up the channel so that there are no ops? | 23:03 |
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| tiwake | toxip: the word telegram was first used in the early 1800's, I fail to see how its related to a cellphone operating system | 23:03 |
| phlixi | last op left? | 23:03 |
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| toxip | tiwake: it was again used in 2013 as the name of a mobile messaging app. | 23:06 |
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| toxip | phlixi: but how to set it up so that people can't op themselves? | 23:07 |
| toxip | I'm an IRC noob | 23:07 |
| phlixi | usually, if you enter an empty channel, you get op | 23:07 |
| toxip | yeah, I know that | 23:07 |
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| phlixi | until it is empty again, no one gets op, unless an op gives it | 23:07 |
| phlixi | thus if the last op left, no one gets op until channel is empty | 23:08 |
| phlixi | thats the "pure" irc, then i stopped caring about irc around 15 years ago | 23:08 |
| phlixi | nowadays you get chanserv and stuff | 23:08 |
| tiwake | maybe he means if you register a channel, it does not automatically OP the channel owner | 23:09 |
| toxip | is that so? I'm more used to quakenet and ircnet with bots and whatnot... | 23:09 |
| phlixi | you can /msg chanserv help | 23:09 |
| phlixi | (i assume) | 23:09 |
| phlixi | iirc q is like chanserv | 23:09 |
| phlixi | but i left qnet long ago | 23:10 |
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