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| pdanek | Stskeeps: What if Jolla will now get crazy investments and start selling in millions, would you get back to the company? | 00:29 |
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| inte | helo | 09:34 |
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| ggabriel | o/ inte | 09:36 |
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| inte | any new rumors about tablet shipments? | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | not that I know of | 09:48 |
| inte | mh, sad | 09:50 |
| inte | maybe firefox is willing to step in since they only recently dropped FFOS | 09:51 |
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| ggabriel | I think ff gave up | 09:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | i do wonder whether that news was overstated | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | ff doesn't do any more ff os for smartphones | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | not too hard to understand | 09:54 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont think they will stop developing fxos, just stop trying to get it on manufacturers phones | 09:54 |
| inte | true, arent they collaborating with ... Panasonic(?)... for smart TVs? | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | yes, that's exactly whta they said | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: really bad PR | 09:54 |
| inte | I have a FFOS phone and its not too bad though | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | they'll compete with web os or whatever | 09:54 |
| inte | ZTE sth. | 09:55 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it is an odd thing to say really | 09:55 |
| r0kk3rz | perhaps a step towards abandoning it altogether | 09:55 |
| inte | bought roughly 3 years ago in spain, for 30€ | 09:55 |
| inte | and its really doing its job | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | well, ff is "letting go" of google's money slowly | 09:55 |
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| ggabriel | you have to prioritise | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | in the same week they announced they'll drop thunderbird too | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | which IMO is more relevant than ff os | 09:55 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it is | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | but maybe not shiny and cool enough for the MBAs in mz to continue with | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | I think it's a siple matter of $$$$ | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | if I go to ff with a promise of a few millions a year in exchange of them maintaining thunderbird, they'll happily do it | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | how much maintenance does it really need? its an email client, its not like the protocol changes that often | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | just bug fix it, keep hosting it, and leave it be | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | there are plenty of outstanding features, it's got bugs and whatnot - that from a user's perspective | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | the rest should be visible in the source code log | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | email clients aren't easy either | 10:00 |
| inte | thunderbird has a huge userbase | 10:02 |
| inte | i guess firfox browser is abandoning xulrunner while thunderbird still relies on it | 10:03 |
| inte | thats why they want to split up the development | 10:03 |
| Helle | Firefox is abandoning everything that makes it worth while | 10:03 |
| inte | hehe | 10:03 |
| r0kk3rz | 'missing features'? its been a while since I used it, but years ago it was a perfectly functional email client | 10:03 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe its not an exchange backed outlook replacement | 10:04 |
| r0kk3rz | but it doesnt need to be | 10:04 |
| inte | which features are missing? | 10:04 |
| Helle | Pale Moon is a necessity for me to keep using the extensions I use on a daily basis as they are deprecating the necessary APIs | 10:04 |
| inte | im using kde Kontact though and im perfectly fine with that | 10:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | i could see that people these days might like to have caldav and cardav built into it | 10:05 |
| ggabriel | r0kk3rz, inte: small features I mean... sometimes it's funny with .ics attachments, carddav native integration. silly things like that | 10:05 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: I actually would value very much a good independent tool for especially caldav | 10:05 |
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| Helle | that does NOT come in a mail client | 10:05 |
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| ggabriel | Helle: well, you need a calendar to organise invites etc, those come by email :P | 10:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | Helle: im sure it will be a native gnome feature at some point | 10:06 |
| Helle | ugh | 10:06 |
| Helle | Gnome needs to also stop doing that | 10:07 |
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| Helle | ggabriel: and that is why you can have pipes between applications (either actual pipes or dbus or whatever you want) | 10:07 |
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| ggabriel | Helle: haven't seen a working example of email and calendar like that | 10:08 |
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| ggabriel | as in... a functional one | 10:08 |
| Helle | ggabriel: sure, but nothing is stopping it from existing essentially | 10:08 |
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| Helle | ggabriel: I mean I just don't use online calenders because of that | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | Helle: :) agree | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | well, my calendar is arguably online since it's on my server at home :P | 10:09 |
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| Helle | ggabriel: mine is a little red book in my purse (sometimes backed up with alerts on my phone) | 10:09 |
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| Helle | pisses the hell out of people who want to book stuff for me and hence ask me if they can access my calender | 10:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | ggabriel: isnt the mail and calendar apps on sfos essentially doing this? | 10:10 |
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| Helle | r0kk3rz: yep, they are | 10:11 |
| r0kk3rz | one does mail, sends to calendar via dbus | 10:11 |
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| ggabriel | r0kk3rz: dunno, never tried invites | 10:11 |
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| ggabriel | but in sfos the 2 applications are made by the smae developers, so defeats the point of a working example with 2 different programs by different people :P | 10:11 |
| ggabriel | Helle: wait, what? people can't book you?! that's outrageous | 10:12 |
| jaacoppi | huh, events view was not showing my calendar events for today. Had to go to settings -> events and disable and re-enable showing calendar | 10:12 |
| Helle | ggabriel: working for a uni at times, people expect to be able to do stuff like that | 10:12 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, all that means is it needs a clear interface, which is probably there even if its not documented | 10:12 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: mhm | 10:12 |
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| Helle | it's an adorable bit of anachronism | 10:15 |
| Helle | my purse usually has a laptop, tablet and phone, and a little red planner | 10:15 |
| Helle | oh and eBook reader | 10:15 |
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| Helle | (yes, purses do contain pocket dimensions | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | Helle: so all I need to do to book your time is get access to that red planner | 10:16 |
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| Helle | ggabriel: and copy my handwriting | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | easy stuff | 10:16 |
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| ggabriel | :P | 10:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | Helle: you must have serious guns from lugging all that around all the time :P | 10:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | i make do with just my phone 99% of the time | 10:18 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: it's uh, 2kg of electronics or so ? | 10:18 |
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| ggabriel | small laptop then | 10:19 |
| Helle | mhm | 10:19 |
| r0kk3rz | two kilos for 4 devices? are they made of aerogel? | 10:19 |
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| Helle | r0kk3rz: 7" tablet, 11" laptop | 10:20 |
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| Helle | laptop is 1.1kg, tablet 400g ? I think, eBook reader 280g (picked it because it was one of the lightest) | 10:22 |
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| phlixi | inte, ggabriel: fxos beeing stopped is a hoax | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | phlixi: i think it was interpreted in a way that the media deemed it dead | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's not dead, sure | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | but it's also a really weird message to come with | 11:20 |
| sakustar | who has a laptop over 2 kg anyway | 11:22 |
| phlixi | well, if i wanted a conspiracy, then its fishy, because they would have had know that when they announced (the last time) to abandon thunderbird and the reason called was fx and fxos to spin faster | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | phlixi: one thing for sure; ari jaaksi sure has a track record by now | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:22 |
| phlixi | i dont know who that is | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | the guy who announced it; ex-jolla board member, ex-meego head, etc | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | ex-webos head.. | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | giving up on your relations, to emerge into IoT, with mobile networks.. | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | which is crazy, given how big a channel they still are | 11:23 |
| phlixi | ....300M a year? they should swallow jolla :D | 11:24 |
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| phlixi | and it might be possible, that my laptop is over 2kg | 11:27 |
| phlixi | i think it is really heavy | 11:27 |
| phlixi | (and pretty old and i rarley use it at all) | 11:27 |
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| inte | seriously | 11:31 |
| inte | wouldnt it be an option firfox investing in jolla? | 11:31 |
| inte | firefox | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | sakustar: my laptop with 24-hour battery surely weighs more than 2kg :P | 11:31 |
| inte | they really have the power and the user base | 11:31 |
| coderus | inte: ff have own product | 11:32 |
| inte | and sailfishos is still somewhat relying on the gecko engine | 11:32 |
| coderus | why you think they would be interesting in something different? : | 11:32 |
| coderus | :D | 11:32 |
| inte | well, its rather that i hope :) | 11:32 |
| coderus | wrong > sailfishos is still somewhat relying on the gecko engine | 11:32 |
| inte | jolla needs some money! | 11:32 |
| inte | there might be other options though | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | i think sfos relies more on the crappy qt webkit thingy than gecko | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | other options than money? like what? chocolate? | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | no, gecko, for browser | 11:34 |
| inte | ggabriel: true | 11:34 |
| inte | Stskeeps: yes thats what i ment | 11:34 |
| ggabriel | yh, the browser works fine ;) the rest not so much | 11:34 |
| inte | ggabriel: other options. like e.g. merging with tizen | 11:34 |
| * Stskeeps cringes | 11:34 | |
| inte | or collaborating with e.g. nokia, sony | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | have you actually looked at tizen | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:34 |
| ggabriel | gaaaa | 11:35 |
| inte | Stskeeps: only saw a vid a couple of years ago and it was somewhat crap at that time | 11:35 |
| inte | and ugly | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | samsung is bad news | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | lik | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | e the source | 11:35 |
| inte | so, maybe, nokia or sony could step in | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | nokia is dead | 11:35 |
| coderus | blackberry? | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | but all those options are money anyway | 11:35 |
| coderus | they now relies on android | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | so you aren't giving options :P | 11:36 |
| coderus | but can make sailfish secure together ;) | 11:36 |
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| AmadeusXNet | Nokia isn't dead.. Lets see next year how it's going to be ;) | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | nokia is dead wrt mobile devices | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | they'll never match the quality they used to deliver | 11:50 |
| rubdos | Perhaps Nokia should buy Jolla? :P | 11:50 |
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| ln- | they should, but they're not smart enough to do that. | 11:54 |
| inte | ggabriel: people say the quality of the N1 tablet was pretty great | 11:54 |
| inte | i guess it even won some prices | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | people say that the nexus devices are great too | 11:55 |
| ln- | or maybe Jolla should hire Stephen Elop as CEO...? | 11:55 |
| inte | hehe true since he got fired from microsoft, eventually | 11:55 |
| ggabriel | and they aren't really, if you take out your fandroid glasses | 11:55 |
| inte | ggabriel: only reason to buy a nexus would be to play around with plasma mobile | 11:55 |
| Peper | ggabriel: the only good thing about nexus devices is that you get updates | 11:55 |
| * inte really likes KDE/Plasma | 11:55 | |
| ggabriel | all that doesn't speak about hw quality, such as reception and so forth | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | i'll go as far as saying that sony is alright | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | a light of hope maybe | 11:56 |
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| inte | i guess the main reason for all those "alternative OSses" (like Blackberry, FirefoxOS, Tizen, SFOS, ...) is their lack of presence | 11:59 |
| inte | in Germany, the biggest provider (O2) doesnt even sell blackberry phones | 11:59 |
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| inte | sure, you could still order them online but the majority of people get their phone in the provider shops | 12:00 |
| SKyd3R | morning! | 12:00 |
| Peper | blackberry is still a company thing i guess | 12:00 |
| inte | or, at least, have a look at the phones there | 12:00 |
| inte | Peper: if there wasnt jolla, id probably use a blackberry | 12:00 |
| inte | but not their new android-crappy stuff | 12:00 |
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| inte | so if you cant get/see phones in the shops, people dont buy them | 12:01 |
| Peper | inte: I honestly do not know what to use. I have an Iphone for work, but it's still miles away from Jolla comfort | 12:01 |
| inte | its just that easy IMHO | 12:01 |
| Peper | yeah probably | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | inte: that and "deals" consittutes the psychology of most mobile buyers | 12:02 |
| inte | of course thats not the entire truth, considering how present the wp7-devices from nokia were when they were released | 12:02 |
| inte | however, wp7 was just crap and that was obvious :) | 12:02 |
| inte | jep | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | too colourful I heard from a girl | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | but functional enough for general purpose stuff | 12:03 |
| inte | if there would be local online stores in the european countries, e.g. offering the jolla phone for 1€ with contract | 12:03 |
| inte | and officially, in a big scale, | 12:03 |
| inte | that could have worked | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | sure | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | you mean for 0 eur :P | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | so, just the contract | 12:03 |
| inte | however, with not even having a website for the local languages, Jolla clearly rather was a geek thing | 12:04 |
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| inte | people barely speak english in Germany | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | oh, come on | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | .de is quite good :P | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | people barely speak english in japan :P | 12:04 |
| inte | and surely woulnt ever order anything from a english website | 12:04 |
| inte | ggabriel: would your parents order a phone in english? | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | i bought my n9 from amazon.de, was fun | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | parents wait for their kids to buy them phones surely | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | but ofc I see your point | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | and I don't think sfos is just a geek thing, for most use cases anyway | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | android is way more cumbersome fwiw | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | fariphone 1 for example is extremely difficult to use | 12:06 |
| inte | i bought my n9 from a offical eplus-store in hamburg | 12:06 |
| inte | the nokia n9 was available through the official nokia sales channels, but only on request | 12:06 |
| inte | thats sth. compleatly different | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | inte: it was quite hard to get hold of one in t he uk | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | especially one made in .fi | 12:06 |
| inte | dont know about uk | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | but you can't compare nokia's sales network with jolla's | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | even with elop stopping the n9 from getting to certain countries, you could still get one | 12:07 |
| inte | but as i said, mine was from .fi and i bought it officially in germany | 12:07 |
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| inte | they were even sold through mediamarkt and saturn | 12:07 |
| inte | ggabriel: exactely | 12:07 |
| inte | ggabriel: i wonder if it would have been a nice idea to open local jolla webstores in the european countries | 12:08 |
| inte | jolla branded and stuff, in local language | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | too much $$$$ | 12:08 |
| inte | where the phones would have been sold with contracts | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | would have been nice | 12:08 |
| inte | ggabriel: local webstores, come on | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | well, same | 12:08 |
| inte | based on provisions | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | quality webstores aren't cheap these days | 12:09 |
| inte | what are the monthly costs to offer a webshop | 12:09 |
| inte | 20€? | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | I mean designing one | 12:09 |
| inte | they were only selling a single product | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | jolla has/had very good UX folks | 12:09 |
| inte | and maybe some cases | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | and the quality of jolla's store is worth some tens of thousands of eur | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | sure, you can do it in house | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | but there are only so many resources | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | oh, and you need to know about local markets | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | so that you don't make stupid mistakes | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | which are very easily made | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | anyway, that's all history ;) | 12:10 |
| inte | https://www.strato.de/webshop/ | 12:11 |
| inte | thats not that particularly expensive :) | 12:11 |
| inte | ggabriel: i was rather suggesting some franchising thing | 12:12 |
| inte | like, if i want to sell phones from jolla, i could apply at jolla and they would allow me to open an office webstore | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | inte: I think that you are underestimating the cost of design | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | and consistent image | 12:12 |
| inte | like the nokia-stores we had a couple of years ago | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | I know it's all marketing bs, but it's important to reach the masses | 12:13 |
| inte | well, design it once | 12:13 |
| ggabriel | but you can't design once | 12:13 |
| inte | only swap the language | 12:13 |
| ggabriel | it doesn't work | 12:13 |
| inte | well, why couldnt i? | 12:13 |
| ggabriel | language is another monster | 12:13 |
| inte | look at e.g. orange.com websides | 12:13 |
| ggabriel | well, i've been involved in several attempts and it isn't simple without compromises | 12:13 |
| inte | lool the same everywhere except for the language | 12:13 |
| ggabriel | orange has tons of money | 12:13 |
| inte | ok but what would go on a officel webside? | 12:14 |
| inte | the products | 12:14 |
| inte | maybe a faq | 12:14 |
| inte | and the shopping billing itself | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | jolla's website/webstore IMO is high quality | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | compared to a lot of giants | 12:14 |
| inte | without a doubt, it is | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | it's easy to translate and break it | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | I'm not an authority here, but I've seen it done before | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | and silly things break the whole pattern | 12:15 |
| inte | you wouldnt need such a huge website only to sell some phones | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | ok, so at least you need a webstore manager per locale | 12:15 |
| inte | exactely | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | with a lot of knowledge about a lot of stuff, local to that market | 12:15 |
| inte | and this guy shoudl work on provision base | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | that perosn isn't cheap, and they won't make the website | 12:15 |
| inte | well, as i said | 12:15 |
| inte | provision base | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | meh, I'd take a fixed salary and good luck selling | 12:16 |
| ggabriel | would you do it? | 12:16 |
| ggabriel | I'm assuming that provision based ~= commission based | 12:16 |
| inte | could be some guy who is doing a phone business webshop already anyways | 12:16 |
| inte | offer it to people | 12:16 |
| inte | like e.g. the guys from handyattacke.de | 12:16 |
| inte | which is the first which came to my mind | 12:16 |
| inte | provide them the webstore | 12:16 |
| ggabriel | could work, I don't know, I haven't seen it working in the field | 12:17 |
| inte | and they should take care | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | I wish it were that simple, but consumerism dictates that you have to follow certain rules per country and they aren't cheap to implement | 12:17 |
| inte | now its too late anyways :( | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | yup | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | or hopefully not | 12:17 |
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| inte | yes, hopefully not | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | I'm not sure we'll hear anything till feb '16 anyway | 12:17 |
| inte | maybe an idea for the Jolla2 phone | 12:18 |
| inte | what is on feb16? | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | hear anything about jolla's funding etc | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | feb11? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | back to the future? | 12:18 |
| inte | why on feb16? | 12:19 |
| inte | why not e.g. tomorrow? | 12:19 |
| inte | ok, tomorrow is sunday | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | well, do you think that investors are talking too much in december? | 12:20 |
| inte | but, maybe, monday? | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | december is dead businesswise | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | so is january (hangover recovery) | 12:20 |
| inte | if they have a deal, it could fireup christmas sales :) | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | all big companies have their lowest quarters now | 12:20 |
| inte | and tablet backers would be happy to receive their tablet before christmas | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | tehy can do xmas sales now, that's not an issue | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | check the press, they say the tablet market is dead/saturated/etc | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | tablet is not a good argument | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | good argument is licensing and so on | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | meanwhile, investors are drinking champagne | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | maybe I'm wrong | 12:21 |
| Peper | well usually now is the time to blow your budget, if you have one :d | 12:22 |
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| Ingvix | does jolla prioritise wlan over hmp | 13:10 |
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| Ingvix | mobile connection I mean | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | should do | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | sfos does that fwiw | 13:11 |
| Ingvix | that's a language I don't understand | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | sailfish os does that for what it's worth | 13:12 |
| Ingvix | okay yes | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | acronymfinder.com is your friend :) | 13:12 |
| Ingvix | and asking | 13:12 |
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| Lieke | acronymfinder.com doesn't know sfos | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | true, but then context | 13:15 |
| r0kk3rz | you should know sfos around these parts, random english idiom acronyms not so much | 13:15 |
| inte | :) | 13:17 |
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| ggabriel | shame on af fwiw :P | 13:21 |
| Lieke | heh | 13:21 |
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| Ingvix | is there any kind of call options in jolla where I could possibly change my number to hidden and such? | 15:38 |
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| Ingvix | okay never mind, found it | 15:40 |
| Ingvix | just hard to think of it as an app and that I should go to app settings | 15:41 |
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| sakustar | phone app | 16:32 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: Which Android phone do you have? | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: hrm, i have a boatload of android phones | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: nexus 5, tcl 950x, ascend p6, yota phone 2, a few brands you never heard of, a hp touchpad, a nook color, etc | 17:50 |
| pdanek | I heard of many brands. | 17:52 |
| pdanek | :D | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | my personal favourite is the yota, really nice hw | 17:52 |
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| pdanek | hmm | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | but i use a jolla phone as my primary device | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | on development branch, of all things | 17:53 |
| Ingvix | you must call a lot to need that many phones | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | Ingvix: heh, on the contrary | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | i just do a lot of experimentation | 17:54 |
| pdanek | lets have high hopes for Yotaphone 3 | 17:54 |
| Ingvix | do you make money out of it | 17:54 |
| pdanek | it's definitely interesting concept | 17:54 |
| cehteh | with sfos :D | 17:54 |
| pdanek | I read on my phone a lot | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | Ingvix: well, when i was working for jolla i did :p | 17:54 |
| Ingvix | oh, okay | 17:54 |
| pdanek | I'm sending my Jolla for repair next week | 17:55 |
| * cehteh was thinking about a OH with eink .. | 17:55 | |
| pdanek | and I need to buy some cheap Android phone as temporary device | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | if i was to buy a phone next it'd probably be a fairphone | 17:55 |
| pdanek | perhaps Moto G 3rd gen would be good choice | 17:55 |
| Ingvix | pdanek, what do you read | 17:55 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: the second one, you mean | 17:55 |
| pdanek | Ingvix: web, pdfs | 17:55 |
| cehteh | Stskeeps: damnit that fair means pricy, but it really looks great | 17:55 |
| Ingvix | oh, okay | 17:55 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: I think MWC 2016 will show so much, that Fairphone will no longer be tempting for anyone | 17:56 |
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| phlixi | you dont buy a fairphone for the stats or the price... | 17:56 |
| cehteh | .. next then fairphone goes bankrupt :D | 17:56 |
| cehteh | phlixi: the stats and the maintainability would be a reason for me, not so much the fair (well i dont say i support 'unfair' produced phones, but i dont think phones are where it should start) | 17:57 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah im thinking i might have to send my jphone for repairs as well :( | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: fairphone 2 yes | 17:59 |
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| pdanek | I'm almost decided for Moto G 3rd gen, 2GB ram version is 170 pounds on Amazon | 18:00 |
| * tigerfoot is trying to find a way to order a new battery for Jolla phone but don't find it on internet, someone has a clue ? | 18:00 | |
| pdanek | so I could have it by Tuesday and send my Jolla | 18:00 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: i really worry about their pogo-pins-everywhere design | 18:00 |
| phlixi | good point about repairability cehteh, but i am pretty sure stats/specs are not the most important thing about the fairphone... | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: fair, but they're really good guys | 18:01 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: i met them in london, they are really good guys and its a cool phone | 18:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | just given the contact issues with the jphone, i cant help but wonder if they've compounded it 100 fold | 18:02 |
| cehteh | also .. i want a transreflective display like on the n900 again ... or what happend to pixelqi | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | pixelqi founder went to work for google or how was it | 18:02 |
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| cehteh | yeah some other company buyed the IP and producing the old models | 18:05 |
| cehteh | but no one came up with devices and new displays | 18:05 |
| cehteh | i really hate this oled crap .. contast yes fine .. but sunlight is absolutely fail with oled displays | 18:06 |
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| cehteh | the n900 worked reasonable well in bright sunlight | 18:06 |
| ggabriel | enjoy the sun, put the phone away :P | 18:07 |
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| cehteh | i am not in finland :D | 18:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | cehteh: why not? the cold dark horrible winters make the summer so much better | 18:18 |
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| kimmoli | what sun? | 18:24 |
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| kimmoli | todays peak power from 300W solarpanelarray was 1.2W | 18:26 |
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| pdanek | or.... maybe instead of Moto G, I could buy Xiaomi Mi3, the older model which looks kind of like Lumia | 18:42 |
| pdanek | only 180 eur | 18:42 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: be careful with xiaomis | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | oh and i have a mi2s laying about too i think | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | they're known to come with chinese spyware | 18:44 |
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| pdanek | r0kk3rz: Cyanogenmod 12.1 would land in the Xiaomi | 18:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: for the best i think | 18:58 |
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| tbr | oh yeah, let's flog that dead horse a bit more, maybe it will just rise and win the race. http://www.cnet.com/news/startup-acadine-picks-up-the-torch-for-mozillas-troubled-firefox-os/ | 20:43 |
| kimmoli | http://isupportjolla.com/ | 20:44 |
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| Nicd- | awwww | 20:45 |
| tbr | "List is manually updated. Only positivity allowed." um... | 20:45 |
| Nicd- | well it is a community run *support* site | 20:46 |
| Nicd- | not a "let's diss jolla" site | 20:46 |
| Nicd- | of course, blatantly stating is silly :P | 20:46 |
| Jope_ | happy happy joy joy | 20:46 |
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| tbr | I mean saying "manually curated" is sufficient | 20:46 |
| tbr | it's rather obvious | 20:46 |
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| pdanek | finally bought Nexus 5!!! | 21:37 |
| pdanek | mint condition from ebay | 21:38 |
| pdanek | I should get it by Wednesday | 21:38 |
| pdanek | so Jolla will go for repair | 21:38 |
| pdanek | I will stick with the vanilla OS to not break anything, as it's crucial for me to have phone... and after I get my Jolla back, it will be sandbox device.... Ubuntu Touch, KDE Plasma Mobile... everything | 21:39 |
| Coolgeek_ | I will have my jolla back this week from repair | 21:41 |
| Coolgeek_ | hope it will be good | 21:41 |
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| pdanek | I'm sending it due to loudspeaker | 21:42 |
| Coolgeek_ | doesn't work ? | 21:42 |
| pdanek | last few months it was having problems | 21:42 |
| pdanek | but usually punching the bottom of the phone few times fixed it | 21:42 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:42 |
| pdanek | not it seems permanently dead | 21:43 |
| Coolgeek_ | me, I didn't hear the caller | 21:43 |
| pdanek | it reminds me the old TVs when you had to beat the devil out of it to make it work | 21:43 |
| Coolgeek_ | bad for a phone :p | 21:43 |
| pdanek | I had the same with Jolla to make the loudspeaker work :D | 21:43 |
| pdanek | especially before sleeping, to make sure I can wake up on alarm :D | 21:43 |
| pdanek | not it's dead more than a week | 21:44 |
| pdanek | so I keep my phone just next to my head, to be sure I can wake up on vibration | 21:44 |
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| taaem | JoshStrobl: \o | 22:50 |
| JoshStrobl | o/ taaem | 22:50 |
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| pdanek | merbot: seen TMavica | 22:55 |
| merbot | pdanek: TMavica was last seen in #jollamobile 1 week, 6 days, 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <TMavica> Will Jolla HK office move too? | 22:55 |
| pdanek | What happened to TMavica? | 22:56 |
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