| phlixi | fortunately android version eco is so spread (compared to ios) everyone has to still support it (even for a while) | 00:00 |
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| pdanek2 | coderus: is it significant amount of work to move to 5 or 6? | 00:01 |
| pdanek2 | & phlixi | 00:01 |
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| coderus | pdanek2: i know nothing about android :) | 00:06 |
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| phlixi | there will be no update | 00:16 |
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| pdanek2 | phlixi: like ever? | 00:25 |
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| Aciid | Which comes first, Jolla Tablet or Tax Returns? | 00:40 |
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| fennekki | Aciid: tax returns for which year | 01:02 |
| phlixi | :D | 01:02 |
| lpotter | :( | 01:04 |
| Aciid | fennekki: torilla tavataan 8) | 01:05 |
| fennekki | :DD | 01:08 |
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| mornfall | no news? | 09:52 |
| Scelt | I guess community is growing somewhat impatient :P | 09:53 |
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| ggabriel | o/ | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | soooo, ff os dead for smartphones | 09:55 |
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| lainwir3d | ggabriel: source ? | 10:03 |
| pdanek2 | lainwir3d: just google it, I think loads of sources | 10:03 |
| lainwir3d | :-( | 10:03 |
| lainwir3d | I was lazy | 10:03 |
| lainwir3d | well, alright | 10:04 |
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| sjn | lainwir3d: here's one: http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/08/mozilla-will-stop-developing-and-selling-firefox-os-smartphones/ | 10:04 |
| lainwir3d | sjn: thanks :) | 10:04 |
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| mornfall | it's smartphone autumn, operating systems dropping like dead leaves | 10:05 |
| * sjn wonders how the sailfishos-on-fairphone2 thing will turn out | 10:08 | |
| tbr | who was working on that? | 10:08 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: think group of porters but i'm not sure fp2's source tree is public yet | 10:13 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: community or jolla porters? | 10:14 |
| tbr | or fairphone employees? | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: a bit of both i think, i don't have good visibility of it | 10:14 |
| sjn | :\ | 10:17 |
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| lainwir3d | :/ | 10:18 |
| * sjn wonders why people keep thinking that "secret" open source development works | 10:18 | |
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| pdanek | merbot: seen TMavica | 12:27 |
| merbot | pdanek: TMavica was last seen in #jollamobile 1 week, 2 days, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <TMavica> Will Jolla HK office move too? | 12:27 |
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| cybette | 7 min to community collaboration meeting in #mer-meeting | 14:23 |
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| sharix | Beginner's question: What's the "autofs" mojo in SfOS? /meda/sdcard/*ID* get's somehow auto-mounted?!? | 16:14 |
| stephg | sharix: yes | 16:16 |
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| stephg | looks for the blkid of the device, so tracker can remember it | 16:16 |
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| sharix | stephg: What daemon is responsible for auto-mounting? systemd? | 16:17 |
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| stephg | sharix: possibly, whatever it is calls a shell script iirc | 16:19 |
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| pdanek | Interesting, I didn't know! | 17:39 |
| pdanek | It seems that Plasma Mobile was (and from major part still is) developed closely by KDE guys working for Bluesystems, as part of their full-time job. | 17:39 |
| pdanek | So it didn't really start of community project much, but it is now open for community. | 17:40 |
| pdanek | I wonder what's business plan of Bluesystems. | 17:40 |
| pdanek | If they have any bigger vision and potentially will hire more and more developers. | 17:41 |
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| tbr | pdanek: actually plasma mobile was pushed a lot by another kde related company initially: basyskom | 17:44 |
| phlixi_o_ | pdanek: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems | 17:44 |
| phlixi_o_ | of if you are able to read german: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems | 17:45 |
| phlixi_o_ | "no businesmodel" | 17:46 |
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| pdanek | phlixi: thanks! | 17:52 |
| phlixi_o_ | so its kind of canonical style | 17:52 |
| pdanek | phlixi: well, Canonical has money from server support | 17:53 |
| pdanek | so they can afford to spend | 17:53 |
| pdanek | and I would imagine they wanna monetize Ubuntu Touch in the future | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz | blue systems could have a similar money making scheme | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: shuttleworth is megalomaniac enough not to monetize everything to death | 17:54 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: :D | 17:54 |
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| phlixi_o_ | my perception wasi/is, that canonical and blue systems is kind of the same, they havea big patron | 17:55 |
| phlixi_o_ | it is new to me, that canonical actually makes significant amount of money with anything | 17:56 |
| phlixi_o_ | so both are more or les hobby projects :-) | 17:56 |
| phlixi_o_ | (from people with more hobby budget then me :D ) | 17:57 |
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| pdanek | phlixi: they were big patron, nowadays Canonical is starting to make quite some money from support/subscriptions for Ubuntu Server | 17:59 |
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| pdanek | They're still in loss, because they do more and more development and now even mobile, so Shuttleworth has to donate and continue being patron, but they definitely produce significant amount of money. | 18:01 |
| phlixi_o_ | pdanek: sorrys, onnly german source, but i think "making money" is something differen, reads more like "burning money" http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Ubuntu-Firma-Canonical-Mehr-Umsatz-mehr-Verlust-2085498.html | 18:02 |
| phlixi_o_ | gn8 :-) | 18:02 |
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| pdanek | phlixi: thanks | 18:04 |
| pdanek | phlixi: btw that's 2 years old | 18:05 |
| pdanek | growth of Ubuntu Server in past 2 years was significant | 18:05 |
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| Elleo | [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/1 | 18:11 |
| pdanek | Guys! | 18:12 |
| pdanek | Please | 18:12 |
| pdanek | I need Jolla to grow! | 18:12 |
| pdanek | WHat should we do :D | 18:12 |
| ln- | look at it through a magnifying glass | 18:14 |
| pdanek | I just realized the sadness of whole community, when we had great OS called Maemo, everyone was expecting Maemo 6, big growth etc.... then everything was delayed a bit, due to creation of MeeGo, but it was still fine. | 18:14 |
| pdanek | Then MeeGo died, any other effort to bring Linux to Mobile was in very early stages and basically no hope for next few years. | 18:15 |
| cehteh | FirefoxOS is dead too | 18:15 |
| pdanek | Finally Jolla has recreated everything that we had few years ago and catched up with market. | 18:15 |
| pdanek | And if it dies now.... ya, we have Ubuntu Touch, Plasma Mobile, etc... but again, huge step back and need to wait another 2 years to get anything with functionality close to Sailfish | 18:16 |
| pdanek | every time when we finally see great OS, it dies | 18:16 |
| pdanek | where can I send my money? :D | 18:16 |
| kimmoli | windows is still alive | 18:16 |
| kimmoli | :P | 18:16 |
| * tiwake slaps kimmoli | 18:17 | |
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| pdanek | If Sailfish really dies, I will probably give up and just use Android | 18:18 |
| pdanek | can't start using half-done Linux OSes again and keep waiting and waiting | 18:18 |
| pdanek | 10M eur is nothing.... why nobody sees the potential of Sailfish? | 18:19 |
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| djselbeck | No business model behind it to make money? | 18:19 |
| cehteh | if its nothing, just open your purse and pay | 18:19 |
| nomeata | pdanek: again? sounds like you had an OpenMoko phone before :-) | 18:20 |
| kimmoli | i have only 9M left... | 18:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: you can send money to mer | 18:22 |
| pdanek | nomeata: well, Sailfish was half done 2 years ago, kind of.... early Maemo wasn't perfect too.... I had first Android phone too, definitely not perfect... | 18:22 |
| pdanek | nomeata: I tried OpenMoko | 18:22 |
| pdanek | But I couldn't use it as daily driver, I'm too pratical, I want to get things done. | 18:22 |
| tiwake | pdanek: yeah | 18:23 |
| tiwake | options are good, but fail options don't help | 18:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | ubuntu touch is most likely the closes sailfishos-alike | 18:31 |
| r0kk3rz | not in UI, but in terms of readiness | 18:31 |
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| tiwake | I used iOS for my first time a few days ago... wanted to claw my eyes out | 18:34 |
| tiwake | I don't know why so many people like it, the UI is horrible | 18:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | tiwake: i do feel like ive been thrown back to the darkages when i try and do something on an android phone | 18:35 |
| r0kk3rz | usually a samsung | 18:35 |
| tiwake | iOS is very not intuitive | 18:36 |
| r0kk3rz | whose idea was it to have light up touch buttons that only light up *after* you've pressed them? | 18:36 |
| tiwake | at all | 18:36 |
| tiwake | it felt like I was trying to do stuff to a domain on the godaddy website | 18:37 |
| tiwake | or windows vista | 18:37 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i dont put much stock in various peoples ideas of 'intuitive' | 18:37 |
| r0kk3rz | intuitive = matches the other stuff ive already learnt from other platforms | 18:38 |
| r0kk3rz | which is of course, dependant on the persons previous platforms | 18:38 |
| tiwake | mostly, but not entirely | 18:38 |
| r0kk3rz | i kinda like ubuntu touch, but it did take me a good 10 min to defeat the lockscreen | 18:39 |
| r0kk3rz | so in that case, it wasnt very intuitive for me | 18:40 |
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| jaacoppi | it proves that the lock screen works | 18:49 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: I agree about intuitive! | 18:50 |
| pdanek | http://www.fastcodesign.com/1672172/why-intuitive-interface-is-a-myth | 18:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | jaacoppi: zero feedback, zero UI ques, and you have to swipe from outside the left side of the screen to the right | 18:53 |
| r0kk3rz | since it was an 'alpha' release port, i thought it had frozen | 18:54 |
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| pdanek | Btw, it's so sad that oom-killer forced me to use majority of my apps in Android version. | 19:01 |
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| pdanek | If I use Sailfish Youtube, Twitch, video player, or some messengers... I was almost getting my app killed by every minimize action. | 19:02 |
| pdanek | While when I use Android version, it stays alive. | 19:02 |
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| cb400f | ooh, some good news... Antti Saarnio said at slush that Intex will be available globally and on western markets | 19:07 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: interesting | 19:07 |
| r0kk3rz | i would expect the android ones would be more hungry | 19:08 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: I use A LOT of Android apps in background | 19:08 |
| r0kk3rz | but perhaps oom treats them differently | 19:08 |
| pdanek | so even when I boot my phone, Skype, Line, Viber and Telegram will start in background. | 19:08 |
| pdanek | which causes there is not much memory left | 19:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah its a wonder it works at all | 19:09 |
| r0kk3rz | all of that spyware running at once | 19:09 |
| pdanek | and even with almost empty homescreen, having just 1-2 native apps like youtube player or video player, they are constantly getting killed maybe every 10th-20th minimize | 19:09 |
| pdanek | sometimes every 2nd minimize, in extreme situations | 19:09 |
| pdanek | and those are recently used apps! | 19:09 |
| pdanek | so I watch youtube, minimize and it gets killed | 19:09 |
| r0kk3rz | video plays are a bit hungry i guess | 19:09 |
| pdanek | so oom seems really poorly tuned | 19:09 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: I agree with Spyware side of things :D, but I need to communicate | 19:10 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i was looking forward to having a swap file on the tablet | 19:10 |
| pdanek | and I can't spend 8 hours a day trying to convince many people to switch to that or that protocol :D | 19:10 |
| r0kk3rz | 2gb ram + zram swap + swap file = never ever oom ever again | 19:10 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: "No one will need more than 2GB memory?" | 19:11 |
| r0kk3rz | plus i wanted to try and get hibernate to work too, which will need a swap file | 19:11 |
| pdanek | :D | 19:12 |
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| rigo | hi, is there a way to play avi files on jolla? | 19:14 |
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| tiwake | screw skype | 19:14 |
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| tiwake | pdanek2: have you looked at discord.gg? | 19:15 |
| jaacoppi | rigo: Watch'me should work | 19:16 |
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| pdanek | tiwake: again, I'm not going to convince people to start using discord just because I use it, so I'm bind to Skype unfortunately | 19:19 |
| pdanek | tiwake: only person whoI convince is my girlfriend, so we use Telegram with each other, due to convenient web client which works on my work PC even behind firewall | 19:20 |
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| tiwake | pdanek: ah ok | 19:21 |
| pdanek | tiwake: but it looks nice, thanks for info | 19:21 |
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| tiwake | pdanek: I mostly just use IRC :P | 19:21 |
| pdanek | tiwake: I think nobody who I know from physical world uses IRC anymore :D | 19:22 |
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| pdanek | still, not anymore | 19:24 |
| Jope | I know a lot of people on irc :-) | 19:24 |
| pdanek | wrong word | 19:24 |
| Jope | ircnet even, the only network worth keeping | 19:24 |
| tiwake | pdanek: having been to college, I've met a few who do, also met a few from IRC who I found out lived fairly close | 19:24 |
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| pdanek | IRC is great for public chat, but not really for private chat | 19:26 |
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| Jope | I don't see a problem | 19:27 |
| tiwake | IRC isnt bad for single person private chat | 19:29 |
| Mikaela | what is wrong with private chat? | 19:29 |
| pdanek | Mikaela: no push messages, no offline messages, no encryption, no filesharing/photo sharing etc. | 19:30 |
| pdanek | in 2015, people want modern communication | 19:30 |
| tiwake | SSL IRC? | 19:31 |
| pdanek | IRC is dark ages :D | 19:31 |
| Smar | tiwake: useless :P | 19:31 |
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| Smar | I guess irc’s going to die due entry level being too high | 19:31 |
| r0kk3rz | 'modern' communication, which is somehow worse than the things we had 10 years ago | 19:31 |
| Smar | no-one wants to learn 5 seconds more than installing perfectly viable program takes | 19:31 |
| tiwake | IRC is dark ages my butt | 19:31 |
| Mikaela | push messages depend on client (znc has module), oflline messages need bouncer/client in tmux/screen, TLS exists and so does OTR | 19:31 |
| pdanek | oh, ok | 19:32 |
| Smar | Mikaela: and you say you can install all that by installing simple program? | 19:32 |
| Acce | Smar: good, that leaves all the sensible guys in the IRC, and others out ;) | 19:32 |
| pdanek | but it's mostly DIY solutions? | 19:32 |
| tiwake | Smar: ist that mostly server side? | 19:32 |
| Mikaela | Smar: can you test how high level it takes to https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net:+6697/#jollamobile?nick=Jolla? | 19:32 |
| Smar | Acce: :> | 19:32 |
| Smar | tiwake: well, servers aside, as long as not everyone (in the channel) is using ssl, it’s virtually useless | 19:32 |
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| Mikaela | Smar: can you test how high level it takes to https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net:+6697/ ? | 19:32 |
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| Mikaela | Smar: can you test how high level it takes to https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net:+6697/#Jollamobile ? | 19:33 |
| Smar | Mikaela: I don’t want to write that address every time in my devices x, y and z | 19:33 |
| Mikaela | my head doesn't work and I don't remember the syntax for specifying nick with random numbers | 19:33 |
| Mikaela | Smar: you might be interested in http://ircv3.net/ | 19:33 |
| Mikaela | Smar: that is why there are URL shorteners | 19:33 |
| Smar | also does it support sharing data between instances? | 19:33 |
| Mikaela | or even embed webchats | 19:33 |
| Mikaela | no | 19:33 |
| Smar | I’m just trying to offer some points that would occur to me if someone tried to push IRC to me :) | 19:34 |
| Smar | I don’t *want* to deal with something I don’t see any point to use | 19:34 |
| Mikaela | https://kiwiirc.com/client/chat.freenode.net:+6697/?nick=Windows?##windows | 19:36 |
| Mikaela | that was the syntax and that would work for average person wanting support with Windows in real time discussion | 19:36 |
| Smar | sure, but how you are going to figure that out when you first hear the word IRC? | 19:37 |
| Mikaela | you probably won't, but if you were asking me for help I would proably throw that link to you | 19:37 |
| Smar | yes, but then it’s just you doing the work | 19:38 |
| tiwake | the point is that IRC is badass, but nobody knows it ;) | 19:38 |
| Smar | x) | 19:39 |
| FireFly | The thing that's annoying to me about "usual" IM is that it wastes so much space and is hard to follow conversations | 19:40 |
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| Smar | any they’re often not even relatively open in any way | 19:41 |
| Smar | but well, they’re easy to use, they have someone who benefits from selling the product so they are getting advertisement... | 19:42 |
| tiwake | and use tons of resources... etc. etc. | 19:42 |
| tiwake | discord.gg seems pretty sane for the most part | 19:42 |
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| tiwake | no linux client yet though, other than android | 19:43 |
| Smar | tiwake: there’s mumble already | 19:43 |
| tiwake | yeah | 19:43 |
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| tiwake | mumble isnt good for text communication though | 19:44 |
| Smar | I’m using it for that atm :P | 19:44 |
| Smar | too lazy to sell IRC to that person... it was so much easier to set up mumble for it | 19:44 |
| tiwake | discord has a pretty good mix between sane voice and sane text communication | 19:44 |
| Smar | mumble (for text) is not really suitable for mobile communication though, but bleh, happens | 19:45 |
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| Smar | I guess I should do my own client but with all those random strong encryption things and no ready library, I don’t want to :D | 19:45 |
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| rigo | thanks jaacoppi, I think it is a codec issue. Which triggers installing stuff, which triggers reinstalling the account that the kiddies have lost, which triggers repairing their mail.... :( | 19:50 |
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| pdanek1 | Honestly. | 20:19 |
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| pdanek1 | or no, nothing | 20:19 |
| pdanek1 | :D | 20:19 |
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| rigo | where do I get gst-plugins-bad-extra? | 21:04 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: that J0lla Polska is getting really annoying... https://twitter.com/J0lla_PL/status/667767761834287105 | 21:14 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: so dont pay attention? people say all kinds of things on twitter | 21:14 |
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| Smar | :D | 21:15 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: I don't, came into it by accident now. | 21:15 |
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| Smar | what they say, haters are sign of success | 21:15 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont really use twitter, so im not sure how easy it is to stumble upon such things | 21:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | but i am familiar with that twitterer | 21:16 |
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| fennekki | yknow | 21:16 |
| tigeli | there's lot of shit on twitter | 21:16 |
| tigeli | and lots of good stuff | 21:16 |
| fennekki | has there ever *been* a Tizen device | 21:16 |
| tigeli | there are few | 21:17 |
| pdanek | fennekki: they're selling quite well in India | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: blocking works miracles | 21:17 |
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| pdanek | http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/english/news/industry/13027-expansion-tizen-samsung-z3-tizen-smartphone-ranks-4th-sales-less-1-month-after | 21:20 |
| Smar | marketing power :) | 21:21 |
| pdanek | yep | 21:21 |
| pdanek | but that's what happened with Maemo/MeeGo | 21:21 |
| pdanek | I know many people who had Nokia N900 and had no idea abot OS running on it. | 21:21 |
| pdanek | They just bought it because it was Nokia. | 21:22 |
| Smar | yeap :P | 21:22 |
| Smar | majority couldn’t care less about the OS it runs | 21:22 |
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| pdanek | No offense to Antti, but maybe he should either acquire better speakig skills and English accent, or give the honor to someone else. :D ...just watching https://youtu.be/BjnNvjcrQeo | 21:26 |
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| Smar | well, finnish accent is annoying as hell :P | 21:27 |
| TemeV | nice rallying english | 21:27 |
| tigeli | well, there are many other accents which are more annoying as you can't tell what the hell speaker is saying | 21:28 |
| Smar | tiwake: I kind of think it’s better if it sounds good and no-one understands nothing than you speak clearly but the listening person wants to kill you | 21:29 |
| kimmoli | mandatory rallienkku https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orVBkI0m9ZY | 21:30 |
| tigeli | kimmoli: +1 | 21:30 |
| tigeli | the hand gesture in the end <3 | 21:31 |
| pdanek | lol | 21:31 |
| TemeV | I was trying to find the "race was bad but car was good" I'm not sure if it's from a real interview though | 21:32 |
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| pdanek | The difference is, that I really wanna listen to that Slush presentation, because the content interests me, but listening to the accent is killing me. | 21:32 |
| pdanek | While if I play Apple presentation, even if I don't really care, it's just beautiful to watch/listen. | 21:33 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:33 |
| Smar | pdanek: yeah what I said ;) | 21:34 |
| pdanek | So with all respect to other nationalities (I'm not English native as well), if CEO isn't native speaker, he shouldn't do full presentation by himself, but get some help. | 21:34 |
| pdanek | Because it's like face of the company. | 21:35 |
| Smar | well, can even be non-native, as long it can speak with charismatic voice :P | 21:35 |
| pdanek | ohm true | 21:35 |
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| kimmoli | https://youtu.be/ax69jpf0p6c?t=52s | 21:38 |
| kimmoli | horruple | 21:38 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | got pkcon on stuck | 21:45 |
| dr_gogeta86 | any hint | 21:45 |
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| * rigo impressed by the anti-pattern | 21:47 | |
| rigo | or better, the Antti - Pattern :) | 21:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | we need a call for quality on openrepos | 21:49 |
| pdanek | wait! | 21:50 |
| pdanek | I just reached 10:40 in the presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjnNvjcrQeo | 21:50 |
| pdanek | https://youtu.be/BjnNvjcrQeo?t=10m32s | 21:51 |
| rigo | oh, you look in reverse order | 21:51 |
| pdanek | Antti guarantees the delivery of all tablets. | 21:51 |
| pdanek | He didn't say when, but he guarantees it will happen. | 21:52 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: antti sounds very finnish | 21:53 |
| rigo | best finnish accent ever | 21:53 |
| rigo | I with this CEO, jolla should start cloud operations NOW. :) Because people will trust jolla servers. | 21:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: it is typical finnish matter-of-fact tone, not the marc style buzzwordy hype machine | 21:55 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:55 |
| Smar | but it doesn’t work with english at all :P | 21:56 |
| Smar | even with finnish, it usually helps to sell something if you can get over that tone :P | 21:56 |
| Smar | (and the tone is not even tied to the accent...) | 21:56 |
| rigo | Smar: bah, sure it does. This is the best trust marketing ever. No beautified gloss over stuff. This is simple and true :) | 21:56 |
| Smar | rigo: I wouldn’t buy :P | 21:56 |
| rigo | go get yourself be spied by some android :-P | 21:57 |
| pdanek | rigo: simple and true? | 21:57 |
| pdanek | he just guaranteed taht everyone will get tablets | 21:57 |
| rigo | pdanek: I haven't said "it is". I said "it sounds" | 21:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | some one can help me with ssu r | 21:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | which username | 21:58 |
| rigo | pdanek: I'm too much of a bloody lawyer to believe in oral statements :) | 21:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | wich domain | 21:58 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: slush was before the financing problems | 21:58 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: it doesn't matter, when you guarantee something, you should be 100% sure you can deliver, it means you must have all resources and money NOW | 21:59 |
| pdanek | so it was CEO fail to say that sentence | 21:59 |
| rigo | pdanek: I don't know if you have a television | 21:59 |
| pdanek | nope | 21:59 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:59 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: are there any 100% guarantees in life? | 21:59 |
| rigo | ah! | 21:59 |
| Smar | rigo: well, I’m not really considering how to sell jollas to tech-savvy people, it’s the other people I’d want to have some trick to sell to :) | 21:59 |
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| rigo | Apple sold first to tech people who explained to other people why this is great | 22:00 |
| Smar | rigo: sold what? | 22:00 |
| pdanek | merbot: seen TMavica | 22:00 |
| merbot | pdanek: TMavica was last seen in #jollamobile 1 week, 3 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <TMavica> Will Jolla HK office move too? | 22:00 |
| TemeV | pdanek: so "I'm quite sure we can deliver the tablets" would be better? | 22:00 |
| rigo | jolla is the only non-spying alternative out there after the end of FirefoxOS today | 22:00 |
| taaem | rigo: not counting ubuntu touch? | 22:01 |
| pdanek | rigo: how is Cyanogen OS spying? | 22:01 |
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| rigo | pdanek: do you need a google account to use it? | 22:01 |
| rigo | [X] Yes | 22:01 |
| pdanek | rigo: no | 22:01 |
| pdanek | rigo: do you need Jolla account to use Jolla? | 22:02 |
| pdanek | how do you know Jolla doesn't spy? | 22:02 |
| pdanek | who gives you guarantee? | 22:02 |
| rigo | pdanek: have you heard the finnish accent of the CEO? | 22:02 |
| TemeV | Wasn't there some Cyanogen account thingy? | 22:02 |
| pdanek | rigo: :D | 22:02 |
| pdanek | good one | 22:02 |
| rigo | pdanek: maybe now you understand what I mean :) | 22:02 |
| TemeV | I recall something like that from my wife's phone, but I'm not really sure was it mandatory | 22:03 |
| rigo | in anyway, it needs more techies to install cyanogen than it takes to buy a jolla | 22:03 |
| TemeV | You can buy a one plus device | 22:04 |
| rigo | and you still need quadcore procs to have some acceptable performance | 22:04 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: yep, very concise, matter-of-fact finnish way of speaking. I think next year they should let me do it | 22:04 |
| pdanek | TemeV: http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/introducing-the-cyanogen-apps-package | 22:04 |
| rigo | which in turn makes your battery live for one day max | 22:04 |
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| pdanek | rigo: Cyanogen OS is sometimes well tuned for slower smartphones, they did great job with WileyFox Swift phone, 130 pounds phone which runs amazingly | 22:05 |
| pdanek | if you need affordable European Android phone, go for WileyFox | 22:06 |
| pdanek | the Swift model, cheaper one | 22:06 |
| rigo | BTW, if they ever get back on their feet, jolla's market are high end gadget lovers | 22:06 |
| rigo | the people around me using jolla would have bought an iPhone instead | 22:06 |
| rigo | so biggest threat is iOS 9.1 encryption and Apple privacy moves ... | 22:07 |
| rigo | anyway, have to go now | 22:08 |
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| taaem | intex will be available internationally? | 22:08 |
| r0kk3rz | haha, gentleyman, such a fin way of saying gentlemen, over emphasising the vowels | 22:08 |
| pdanek | taaem: Initially just India, if it will ever become available. | 22:11 |
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| JollaSailor_Simo | luca | 22:24 |
| Luca247 | ahoy sailors :) | 22:24 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | hola! | 22:25 |
| Luca247 | greetings from another sailors in italy :) | 22:25 |
| Luca247 | dimmi cmq | 22:25 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | niente | 22:25 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | ora funziona quindi apposto | 22:25 |
| Luca247 | bene... :) | 22:26 |
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| Luca247 | anyway sto client irc è fatto benissimo... | 22:28 |
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| JollaSailor_Simo | infatti é anche comodissimo | 22:28 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | sopratutti quando lo minimizzi che da le notifiche tipo whatsapp | 22:29 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | se qualcuno ti nomina ovviamente | 22:29 |
| Luca247 | eh ovvio... | 22:29 |
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| Luca247 | ne approffitto | 22:29 |
| Luca247 | a quick question | 22:30 |
| Luca247 | is there someone using whatsup native client on here? :) | 22:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | guys in english pls | 22:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Luca247, me and many others | 22:32 |
| Luca247 | ok will post in english :) | 22:32 |
| Luca247 | anyway just wanted to know how do you play aac files inside the app | 22:33 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | yeah we know we were just checking if it was working :P | 22:33 |
| Luca247 | i have gstreamer installed | 22:33 |
| Luca247 | ultimate codec | 22:33 |
| Luca247 | faad 2 | 22:33 |
| Luca247 | and all of their dependencies but i can only play ogg files inside the app | 22:34 |
| Luca247 | for aac i have to search for voice recording in the hidden whatsup folder and then play it from there... | 22:34 |
| Luca247 | suggestions? :) | 22:34 |
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