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| Ingvix | are there command-line files for linux as there are .cmd and .bat for windows? Can I use them on sailfish? | 11:01 |
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| Tegu | yes, look for sh and bash | 11:02 |
| Ingvix | okay, thanks | 11:02 |
| Tegu | the file extension is usually .sh | 11:02 |
| Tegu | but nothing prevents it to be whatever | 11:02 |
| Tegu | bash is the shell that is opened by default on jolla | 11:03 |
| Jope | the first line of a text file determines if it is to be sent to some interpreter | 11:03 |
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| Ingvix | I want it to do devel-su and then do samba mounting | 11:03 |
| Nicd- | go read a bash scripting tutorial | 11:04 |
| Ingvix | yea I looking into it | 11:04 |
| Tegu | and play around a bit | 11:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | Ingvix: all you need is the first line to be #!/bin/bash, then list the commands you want it to do | 11:38 |
| Ingvix | yea, I know that much already | 11:39 |
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| cehteh | .. and chmod +x | 11:46 |
| Ingvix | what? | 11:47 |
| r0kk3rz | Ingvix: flags the file as executable | 11:50 |
| r0kk3rz | Ingvix: so it knows its a script and will run it | 11:50 |
| Ingvix | okay | 11:50 |
| Ingvix | so I put that after the #!/bin/bash? | 11:50 |
| Ingvix | or before it | 11:51 |
| r0kk3rz | Ingvix: no | 11:51 |
| r0kk3rz | chmod changes file permissions | 11:51 |
| r0kk3rz | so once you have your script file, you need to change the permissions on it | 11:51 |
| Ingvix | o yea | 11:51 |
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| Ingvix | what's the command to execute the file | 12:09 |
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| Ingvix | nevermind that | 12:15 |
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| WHATlol | Hello, do you know how long is the slush2015? | 12:59 |
| ggabriel | isn't it finished already? | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | these events don't last long | 13:01 |
| WHATlol | no, go on jolla.com to see | 13:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | WHATlol: a week maybe, if you want a jphone then buy one whilst they're cheap | 13:02 |
| WHATlol | hello Ingvix | 13:02 |
| Ingvix | hello WHATlol | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | WHATlol: you mean the jolla offer, not slush | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | they said limited time | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | i bought mine already fwiw, as i don't expect it to last long | 13:03 |
| WHATlol | I musst think a time, before i buy | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | think quickly :) | 13:03 |
| WHATlol | ok, thx | 13:03 |
| r0kk3rz | WHATlol: bare in mind that at slush jolla said that the intex phone would get sold in europe | 13:05 |
| tbr | at some point™ | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | soon-ish | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | december they twitted | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | (not specifying year) | 13:05 |
| WHATlol | i am in europe | 13:05 |
| tbr | that might be before tablets ship | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | tablets are coming! | 13:08 |
| * tbr doesn't brace | 13:08 | |
| r0kk3rz | whether the intex phone is worth waiting for, nobody really knows, we know basically nothing about it | 13:12 |
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| entil | sometimes this is like stockholm calling to ask about syndromes but I'd consider the intex phone if it had decent specs and if it actually comes out | 13:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | well those of us with a jphone already can afford to wait. because the choice is wait, or get an android phone | 13:16 |
| entil | you could also get an iphone | 13:17 |
| entil | or a microsoft one | 13:17 |
| r0kk3rz | thats true | 13:17 |
| entil | but I feel sorry for my friend and everyone in his position who got fucked over by the indiegogo campaign and everyone getting their 64G models first | 13:17 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure what i would do with either of those other options though | 13:17 |
| entil | phone calls, sms, apps, games and spyware like everyone else? | 13:18 |
| entil | except microsoft's ecosystem is probably as small as jolla's :P | 13:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | and you'd have to develop windows apps, eugh | 13:19 |
| r0kk3rz | get enough of that at work | 13:19 |
| entil | I've been patching the owncloud client for a couple of days and probably wouldn't care if the tools were as good as qtcreator | 13:20 |
| r0kk3rz | well visual studio is better then qtc | 13:20 |
| entil | or if I had the confs set up so I could do everything in neovim | 13:20 |
| jonwil | I am surprised Microsoft has stuck with phones for so long given how few people are actually buying the things... | 13:20 |
| r0kk3rz | jonwil: people are coming round, slowly, microsoft has money to burn on this | 13:21 |
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| entil | the friend who didn't get his tablet switched to an ms phone | 13:22 |
| entil | and probably installs android on his tablet if he ever gets it | 13:23 |
| entil | sad day | 13:23 |
| r0kk3rz | you'd be better off selling it and buying an android tablet if thats what you want | 13:24 |
| r0kk3rz | you could however install full windows 8.1 | 13:24 |
| entil | I'm still down with the jolla gang but got to say some of these signs don't look too cool | 13:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | you've got intex picking it up, and two european phone startups tacitly agreeing to use sailfish | 13:26 |
| entil | fairphone and which other one? | 13:27 |
| r0kk3rz | aside from tablet dramas, im not sure what more you could expect? | 13:27 |
| r0kk3rz | puzzlephone | 13:27 |
| r0kk3rz | which will probably go nowhere | 13:27 |
| entil | fairphone, afaik, only agrees to ship sailfish if it installs but not support it, so if there's no partnership with jolla, that's actually kinda lame | 13:27 |
| r0kk3rz | fairphone has a bit more of a chance to actually sell | 13:27 |
| r0kk3rz | considering they've already got a good 20k preorders | 13:28 |
| entil | I could expect.. hmm.. a new phone? the tablet not to be drama? but I don't have major issues with this | 13:28 |
| tbr | both situations don't sound like money flowing towards jolla though | 13:28 |
| entil | preorders and kickstarters are really shitty for a company anyway, they're a means to stay employed while you shoot your star trek fan film but not exactly a sustainable business model | 13:29 |
| r0kk3rz | tbr: this is true, without devices i guess its up to jolla to choose how they want to make money | 13:29 |
| tbr | IMHO Jolla would have had a chance if either a) a large brand would have signed up (think Sony, HTC or one of the Chinese) b) several smaller brands with sufficient volume would have signed up | 13:30 |
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| entil | publicity through fairphone and puzzlephone is probably not going to hurt them, provided the ports actually work well or are hard enough to install that only the most extreme people will actually do it | 13:30 |
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| tbr | sure | 13:30 |
| entil | tbr: we wouldn't know if jolla was in talks with both fairphone and puzzlephone about stock mergers :P | 13:30 |
| mornfall | second wave people got invites already? so wave 1 + 2 are still less than the first early bird tier? | 13:30 |
| entil | from the way this situation looks, I'd be :P | 13:31 |
| tbr | mornfall: I didn't and I'm rather early in the second round | 13:31 |
| tbr | it was only a few people who got invitations for round 2. I'd guess 10-20 | 13:31 |
| entil | invitations? round 2? what's that? | 13:32 |
| mornfall | and they are all pissed off it seems :-) | 13:32 |
| entil | puzzlephone something? | 13:32 |
| tbr | entil: https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-important-news-helm/ those 3 rounds | 13:32 |
| mornfall | blog.jolla.com is something to behold lately | 13:32 |
| tbr | schedule is ofc invalid by now | 13:32 |
| entil | what's invitations there? | 13:33 |
| tbr | entil: notifications to pay for import tax | 13:33 |
| entil | aaah | 13:33 |
| entil | "We are pushing to start wave 2 shipments a couple of weeks late, i.e., by the end of November." | 13:34 |
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| M4rtinK2 | note they don't say November of which year ;-) | 13:34 |
| entil | "At that time, we will also provide more info regarding refund option (that was communicated in early Oct. 2015). Please stay tuned." my buddy actually tried to contact jolla's support and was pointed to a zendesk.. to be fair, I don't know if he used the zendesk but he was pretty cynical about being able to get refunded, like literally not caring, and I'm very sure jolla inc wants to send the devices out and claim refunds aren't | 13:35 |
| entil | or postpone refunds until new money comes in | 13:35 |
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| M4rtinK2 | (also the mysterious "developer program" was quite a fail - not even the OpenRepos maintainer has a tablet, thus, not OpenRepos on the tablet yet...) | 13:36 |
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| M4rtinK2 | *no | 13:36 |
| entil | yeah, well, there was talk about the possibility of having an advance tablet and then it became a developer program and then it became a loan program and then it was forgotten - but that's ok because the hardware fucked up | 13:36 |
| entil | which is probably the root cause for all of this | 13:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | not mention I'm already getting reports for HiDPI issues for modRana on the tablet | 13:37 |
| entil | what's modRana? | 13:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | but it's rather hard to fix them without hardware | 13:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | entil: a navigation system | 13:38 |
| entil | oh | 13:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | entil: https://openrepos.net/content/martink/modrana-0 | 13:38 |
| mornfall | M4rtinK2: openrepos is considered evil, isn't it? :P | 13:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | it's also in Jolla Store - which still has no web version, so no link :P | 13:39 |
| entil | better just to forgive a bunch of this stuff, really, because the mobile-phone market is completely against these kinds of efforts | 13:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | mornfall: but has a web version ;-) | 13:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | I think we all want them to succeed | 13:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | so we can't forgive stuff like this if it is hindering their success :) | 13:39 |
| entil | that'd be almost saying that jolla didn't do a due diligence check on the hardware, and I'm sure they did but all this device crap revolves around some chinese dude in his garage hacking something up for a years-old android kernel and phone manufacturers buying it because it's the potentially least sucky one for them | 13:41 |
| entil | if drivers were actually free software, ie. if the universe didn't work in a way that incentivizes monopolies, this probably wouldn't be an issue :P | 13:41 |
| entil | that being said I still wouldn't risk attaching hundreds of euros on a kickstarter project like this ever again | 13:42 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK link to OBS instead! | 13:45 |
| M4rtinK2 | r0kk3rz: sure, I have that too: https://build.merproject.org/project/show/home:MartinK:sailfish:modrana | 13:46 |
| M4rtinK2 | that's how I make the packages in the first place | 13:46 |
| r0kk3rz | i know, but it would be nice if we had a 'store front; type webapp for it | 13:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | but that's really not user-friendly enough | 13:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | lbt ^ | 13:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | there was the chum project | 13:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | but I don't think it got anywhere | 13:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | there is a chum repo/project in OBS | 13:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | and that's about it | 13:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | no docs, no policy, no community QA and probably most importantly no client/store/package browser UI | 13:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | not to mention the Jolla Store policy basically preventing native apps stores while allowing android stores with randon android crap/spyware/mallware | 13:49 |
| M4rtinK2 | *random | 13:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | well, harbour policy still as such that we need a third-party store for most of what people want to do | 13:52 |
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| entil | r0kk3rz: what's forbidden? | 13:56 |
| M4rtinK2 | entil: everything nice & fun ;-) | 13:56 |
| entil | I don't know what that entails | 13:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | entil: well the libraries you're allowed to use is fairly limited, and you're not allowed to have background services | 13:59 |
| r0kk3rz | which kinda severely reduces the amount of useful things you can do | 13:59 |
| entil | that kinda explains why this owncloud client is such a mess, or at least partly | 13:59 |
| entil | the thing I installed from the store doesn't correspond to git tags (because they don't even exist, which is just sloppy maintainership) nor committed version numbers, and there's an uploader daemon only in warehouse | 14:00 |
| r0kk3rz | that and a lot of things arent 'apps' as such, they're command line things that dont really fit in an app store | 14:00 |
| entil | myeah, I'd probably rather have an extra hole in my head than be forced to use the command line on my phone regularly, apart from messaging, but ymmv | 14:01 |
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| M4rtinK2 | also even libraries that are allowed are sometimes horribly broken: | 14:01 |
| M4rtinK2 | https://together.jolla.com/question/70821/request-support-sdl-landscape-mode/ | 14:01 |
| tbr | also the store rules encourage bundling of own copies of 3rd party libraries | 14:01 |
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| tbr | which is just a license and security nightmare | 14:01 |
| entil | that's also a mess in this owncloud client; it comes with its own webdav lib, which is forked off lazy code and not fixed so now I have my own fork | 14:02 |
| M4rtinK2 | and no one of the Jolla side maintainers seem to be willing to fix them | 14:02 |
| entil | gtg anyway -> | 14:02 |
| M4rtinK2 | BTW, a bgi plus for OpenRepos is is | 14:02 |
| M4rtinK2 | that the app repo can have multiple RPMs | 14:03 |
| M4rtinK2 | sou you can add dependencies as packages, without bundling | 14:03 |
| M4rtinK2 | that's another thing the Store is sorely lacking | 14:03 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK im reasonably sure thats deliberate, so they can sandbox each app | 14:04 |
| tbr | no QA means though that people will publish things that overwrite system/platform libraries or conflict with files from platform/apps | 14:04 |
| * M4rtinK2 thinks the store is probably the most neglected part of Sailfish OS/Jolla | 14:04 | |
| r0kk3rz | although why you couldnt use the RPM defs to create the app sandbox, i dont know | 14:04 |
| M4rtinK2 | tbr: sure, that's an issue | 14:05 |
| M4rtinK2 | but partially cause by there not being a better alternative | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | the fact that openrepos isnt a malware infested hellhole is somewhat amazing | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | one day someone will stumble across it | 14:05 |
| tbr | well, a working mer/nemo open source ecosystem would make a few things go away | 14:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | yeah, it's a shame how disfunctionaly it is right now | 14:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | *disfunctional | 14:06 |
| r0kk3rz | might be something on the cards once the 'merge' is complete | 14:07 |
| tbr | r0kk3rz: I left the RPM that was empty except for a pre-install script with one line as a thought exercise: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=10M | 14:07 |
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| tbr | the risk is there | 14:07 |
| M4rtinK2 | and it looked quite OK back in the beginning until all the Jolla people involved basically switched to the "sky is falling mode" and totally stopped contributing to Nemo | 14:07 |
| tbr | and september that never ended merge | 14:08 |
| M4rtinK2 | the merge that has been already ongoing/stuck back in January ? ;-) | 14:08 |
| r0kk3rz | people say its been progressing, so isnt stuck | 14:08 |
| M4rtinK2 | well at least the gitlab instance seems to be finally working | 14:09 |
| tbr | r0kk3rz: also AOL discontinued its NNTP service at some point | 14:09 |
| r0kk3rz | hahaha | 14:09 |
| jonwil | WTF, AOL ran a news server? | 14:09 |
| tbr | jonwil: "september that never ended" is the key | 14:10 |
| locusf | M4rtinK2: tbr: r0kk3rz: its not really stuck, I just made a working image of Nemo for rpi2 on friday | 14:10 |
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| locusf | with fresh middleware | 14:10 |
| tbr | locusf: yes, noted that as a positive sign already | 14:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | locusf: cool! :) | 14:10 |
| r0kk3rz | i also spied that ubuntu touch is using nemo things in some of their core apps | 14:10 |
| r0kk3rz | would be nice to see them contribute as well | 14:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | locusf: what about the VM images ? | 14:10 |
| tbr | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September for the less search inclined | 14:10 |
| locusf | M4rtinK2: dunno about that, probably still broken | 14:11 |
| r0kk3rz | although ubuntu has a bit of a history of non-contributing | 14:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | locusf: ok | 14:11 |
| tbr | r0kk3rz: upstream being disfunctional doesn't help with contributing either | 14:12 |
| r0kk3rz | tbr: agreed | 14:12 |
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| jubo2 | y0 #jollamobile.. how ya doing? | 15:08 |
| jubo2 | that 200mln€ cash injection still keeping you going? | 15:09 |
| jubo2 | This might be relevant https://fralef.me/using-android-without-google-apps.html | 15:09 |
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| Lieke_ | is tjc down? | 16:24 |
| tigeli | maybe | 16:25 |
| phlixi | for me tjc does not respond, thus might be down | 16:26 |
| tigeli | need to open work laptop and check | 16:26 |
| phlixi | well, html title has been loaded by now, so more super slow than completely down | 16:26 |
| tigeli | what's going on.. I mean | 16:26 |
| tigeli | yeah, it's not down.. probably some nice attack again :D | 16:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | woo! | 16:28 |
| SKyd3R | seems down :( | 16:28 |
| r0kk3rz | it means someone cares | 16:28 |
| phlixi | and by now, the page is loaded.... | 16:29 |
| phlixi | well, 5 minutes to load the fron page :) | 16:29 |
| Lieke_ | looks like it's back to normal now | 16:30 |
| phlixi | hi, i have exactly this: https://together.jolla.com/question/31158/android-apps-stopped-working/ | 16:34 |
| phlixi | ...all android apps suddenly stopped working | 16:34 |
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| phlixi | it seems that it might help to unstill all of those apps and compat-layer... then reinstall | 16:34 |
| phlixi | ...before i do that, i would like to backup some data, | 16:35 |
| phlixi | anyone can tell me where the stuff is stored? | 16:35 |
| phlixi | is there more than /home/nemo/android_storage | 16:35 |
| phlixi | ? | 16:35 |
| tigeli | Lieke_: seems someone wanted to do some queries againts tjc.. 10 times more than normally :D | 16:36 |
| Lieke_ | heh | 16:37 |
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| tigeli | someone from uk.. | 16:38 |
| tigeli | loaded the same page ~10k times :D | 16:42 |
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| Lieke_ | which page was it? | 16:43 |
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| tigeli | some oom-question | 16:43 |
| Lieke_ | that's funny | 16:43 |
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| Ingvix | I'm afraid what will happen when my screen protective cover gets too worn out | 17:43 |
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| M4rtinK2 | someone still uses those ? ;-) | 17:47 |
| Ingvix | I'm afraid for my screen since this actually is my first touch screen phone | 17:48 |
| nander | The corner of the glass of my screen is already broken | 17:50 |
| nander | Luckily outside screen area | 17:50 |
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| M4rtinK2 | I have a screen protector on my N900 because it is a resistive screen & thus flexible/plastic | 17:51 |
| M4rtinK2 | but I don't think it is really needed for glass capacitive screens | 17:51 |
| nander | A glass screen protector lowers the chance of the screen shattering | 17:51 |
| M4rtinK2 | they are quite hard to scratch & I'm afraid it won't help against falls too much | 17:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | could be it helps a bit for smaller falls for sure | 17:52 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hi M4rtinK2, clone of M4rtinK | 17:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | : | 17:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 17:53 |
| tadzik | . o O ( M5rtinK ) | 17:53 |
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| M4rtinK2 | let's do something about that :) | 17:54 |
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| M4rtinK | there can be only one ;-) | 17:54 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 17:55 |
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| Ingvix | is there a way to sync outlook calendar with the jolla's? | 23:10 |
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