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| pp_ | hehe | 07:35 |
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| pp_ | https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/21867/fdtrv/Jolla-Tablet | 07:36 |
| Hartzi | lol | 07:37 |
| pp_ | "week 51", but not only that, it's something they're removing from inventory :-) | 07:37 |
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| gordon` | hi | 08:42 |
| gordon` | is there a limit date for the 169€ offer? | 08:42 |
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| cehteh | gordon`: no one knows .. but quite likely it will end very soon | 09:02 |
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| sigmounte | Hi ! | 10:00 |
| sigmounte | I have a semi bricked jolla , anyone could help ? | 10:00 |
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| tbr | put a nail through it, then it will be at least good as a brick? | 10:02 |
| tbr | free protip: provide more details if you expect anyone to bother to help you | 10:02 |
| sharpneli | https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/21867/fdtrv/Jolla-Tablet | 10:03 |
| sharpneli | Preorderable product that's being removed from sale :D | 10:03 |
| Hartzi | :D | 10:04 |
| tbr | well, while entertaining it can be explained: they decided to stock it at some point, started taking preorders, but as things drag on it's not really marketable so they won't keep it in their offering | 10:05 |
| * tbr was tempted by an 80$ intel tablet the other day, even came with windows 10 | 10:11 | |
| cehteh | eek :F | 10:11 |
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| cehteh | jolla should've been more realistic/pessimistic about their schedule | 10:11 |
| sigmounte | Someone have the link to the factory image ? | 10:13 |
| sharpneli | sigmounte: Factory images are not available. Qualcomm would sue anyone that distributes it. | 10:13 |
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| tbr | if you ask around someone will give you one | 10:14 |
| tbr | did you break btrfs completely? | 10:14 |
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| sigmounte | tbr : yes, it was just to ask for help , and know if someone is available , so my problem : i just accepted the last update for my jolla phone , at the second i clicked "ok" for update , it turned black , and white led is in fixed stat , it stayed like this for hours i stopped the phone , reboot , and now it's stuck on the white jolla logo , | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | sigmounte: can you access the recovery menu? | 10:17 |
| sigmounte | so i tried the recovery , i can telent tot the shell , but when i try to do a factory reset the script hang for jours too and do nothing | 10:17 |
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| sigmounte | btrfs recovery does nothing too | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | ouch | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | it can be a number of things | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | i hope it's not a broken emmc | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | i'd contact care tbh | 10:18 |
| sigmounte | so yes , i think the brtfs is broken ;( ( few week ago i started to have strange latency on multiple apps , like the jolla was trying to read something but was not able to ) | 10:18 |
| sigmounte | ggabriel: before contacting them , i would like to re DD the factory image to be sure it's hardware | 10:19 |
| cos- | does anyone know if it would be possible to purchase Alien Dalvik for "community ported" sailfish phones from Myriad? | 10:19 |
| tbr | someone™ around here should have an image, so stick around | 10:20 |
| tbr | cos-: I'd expect they don't want to be bothered by the plebs, so some legal entity would need to sign a contract etc. | 10:20 |
| cos- | tbr: yep, i was thinking that someone from community could become a distributor | 10:21 |
| sigmounte | yes, i totally understand , if someone have the link / image , i could just PM me to avoid sending this info on the general chan | 10:21 |
| sigmounte | thanks | 10:22 |
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| ggabriel | tbr: lol "the plebs" :) | 10:22 |
| cos- | at least i'd be happy to pay €€ for alien dalvik on new sailfish hardware | 10:22 |
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| the_mgt | I could imagine something like a .... "shop" | 10:24 |
| the_mgt | were you can buy software for your phone | 10:24 |
| cos- | of course it would be best if Jolla could act as a distributor, as they already have connection to Myriad and a web store | 10:24 |
| the_mgt | you could pay for licensed stuff, like anything to do with proprietary MS/Eschnge stuff, alien dalvik or offline here maps | 10:24 |
| urs | btw, isn't it just possible to take the rpm packages from an "actual" jolla phone and transplant them over to a "community edition" phone (as long as it's arm-based)? | 10:25 |
| urs | (Of course, that would technically be piracy.) | 10:25 |
| tbr | urs: it likely ties (in the current form) into the hardware adaptation and it's bionic userspace | 10:26 |
| cos- | looks like Jolla has trouble with hardware so it might be a good idea to just deliver software and purchaseable licensed stuff like the_mgt said | 10:27 |
| Yaniel | guess what their business plan has been all this time | 10:28 |
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| cehteh | did jolla sell software in reasonable quantities yet? .. if any profit, they only make it from hardware or? | 10:29 |
| Yaniel | not that I know | 10:29 |
| Yaniel | well, there is the intex thing now | 10:29 |
| cehteh | hey i would pay for sailfish on legacy andoid devices like my wifes note2 | 10:29 |
| Yaniel | but if you've read their press releases so far, they have been talking about licensing sfos since the very beginning | 10:30 |
| cehteh | if its reasonable priced and has some support plan | 10:30 |
| Yaniel | I'm sure many would love that | 10:30 |
| cehteh | they always say they want to licencse it but nothing seen so far | 10:31 |
| the_mgt | and the money could be already coming in, if they a had a shop that would accept money | 10:31 |
| cehteh | if they had things to sell you mean | 10:31 |
| cehteh | i buyed the flipcase from the original vendor because its out of stock since ages .. but still devilverable from insmart | 10:32 |
| cos- | imho selling licensed software to community ports wouldn't harm the licensing business. it wouldn't make anyone rich, but anyway. | 10:32 |
| tbr | they also aren't after the plebs, they want the big money from operators and device manufacturers | 10:32 |
| cehteh | even payed in bitcoins | 10:32 |
| tbr | the overhead for establishing paid software distribution is significant if you need to do it on a professional scale | 10:32 |
| ggabriel | cos-: wouldn't be a pain to support e.g., alien dalvik in any form of community port of sailfish? | 10:33 |
| cehteh | but a branded and locked down jolla/sailfish is somewhat contary and nogo land | 10:33 |
| cos- | ggabriel: why it would be pain? it's licensed, not made by Jolla | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | well, it'd be a pain because it may or may not work | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | so you go, pay 10 EUR for it, and it doesn't work | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | like the good old windows days | 10:34 |
| cos- | it's just a virtual machine on top of the same kernel as sailfish, so i wouldn't except it not to work if sailfish works | 10:35 |
| sigmounte | one of my friend will do a DD of it's own jolla , and send it to me ( i would prefer the factory reset one but let's try this solution for now ) , is there something special to know/do for making the dd ? | 10:35 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | sigmounte: a dd of partition 28 should have the factory reset image anyway | 10:36 |
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| ggabriel | just access recovery menu after dd and factory reset | 10:36 |
| Yaniel | in all seriousness, it would be interesting to calculate how good/bad business it would actually be to license custom ROMs for android devices | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | hopefully you won't have io errors | 10:36 |
| Yaniel | like cyanogenmod but proper linux, with commercial support + licensed 3rd party apps like HERE | 10:37 |
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| sigmounte | ggabriel: just the mmcblk0p28 will do the job ? what is there inside the others ? | 10:37 |
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| ggabriel | sigmounte: yup, that should do it, the rest of the partitions are stuff that doesn't change, but i haven't got the detail | 10:44 |
| ggabriel | some are blobs from our friends from qualcomm and what not | 10:44 |
| sigmounte | ggabriel: ok , i hope the others partition are not thoses who avoid me to boot | 10:45 |
| sigmounte | thanks for help | 10:45 |
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| kotori | Hi, I am trying to send myself SMS as reminders so I made a little python program using the following lines to send SMS : | 13:20 |
| kotori | chaine_sms = 'dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.MessageManager.SendMessage string:"06xxxxxxxx" string:"' +chaine+ '"' | 13:21 |
| kotori | os.system(chaine_sms) | 13:21 |
| kotori | it works fine when the phone screen is "lighted", but when I don't use the phone for a while, SMS are not sent (if I send them using another phone or a website, it works, so I'm guessing they are not sent at all) | 13:22 |
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| kotori | does anybody have an insight as to why it doesn't work? (or a better solution to send myself reminders at random intervals?) | 13:23 |
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| TemeV | kotori: how are you timing the sending? | 13:23 |
| TemeV | most likely your timers aren't working when the phone goes to sleep | 13:23 |
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| kotori | yes, I do a loop with a time.sleep(random.randomint()) after each SMS | 13:24 |
| kotori | ha ok, thanks, Jolla doesn't support cron if I'm not mistaken? | 13:24 |
| TemeV | It has been ported, but I don't remember where the sources are | 13:24 |
| TemeV | juiceme: ^ Where is your cron? :) | 13:24 |
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| kotori | that would be great, it is the little thing I miss from my Linux PC :) | 13:26 |
| kotori | is it the one available through pkcon? | 13:27 |
| kotori | Available PackageKit-cron-0.8.9+59.1-1.24.1.armv7hlCron job and related utilities for PackageKit | 13:27 |
| TemeV | It wasn't there last time I checked, but it has been awhile. I don't know what that is? | 13:30 |
| kotori | the output of "pkcon search name cron" :) | 13:31 |
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| kotori | hm, I get an error when trying to install it : | 13:32 |
| kotori | Fatal error: nothing provides cronie needed by PackageKit-cron-0.8.9+59.1-1.24.1.armv7hl | 13:32 |
| kotori | but there is not package with "cronie" in its name | 13:32 |
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| TemeV | I mean, I don't what that package is :) | 13:35 |
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| kotori | TemeV : ha ok, sorry :p | 13:37 |
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| juiceme | TemeV, get the SRPM from http://swagman.org/juice/vixie-cron-3.0pl1-1.src.rpm | 13:41 |
| juiceme | kotori, ^^^^ | 13:42 |
| kotori | Jolla phone can use RPMs? | 13:42 |
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| Nicd- | sailfish uses RPM, yes | 13:44 |
| Aciid | https://twitter.com/AciidXOR/status/665162959354781696 removal product already? | 13:45 |
| kotori | ok, I didn't know that, thanks. It seems it installed ok, but I have no cron or crontab command in my path | 13:45 |
| pp_ | doesn't systemd do the same?-) | 13:45 |
| Nicd- | systemd has cron functionality | 13:45 |
| kotori | [nemo@Jolla ~]$ rpm -Uvh vixie-cron-3.0pl1-1.src.rpm | 13:45 |
| kotori | 1:vixie-cron ########################################### [100%] | 13:45 |
| kotori | [nemo@Jolla ~]$ which crontab | 13:45 |
| kotori | which: no crontab in (/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/home/nemo/bin) | 13:45 |
| kotori | ha, forgot to become root :p | 13:46 |
| Nicd- | Aciid: to be fair verkkokauppa adds stuff they don't know if they can ever even sell. they just remove them later | 13:46 |
| kotori | sorry ^^ | 13:46 |
| pp_ | I doubt a src.rpm will install anything usable | 13:46 |
| kotori | yep, I just noticed | 13:48 |
| kotori | I'll try to compile now and will tell you in a few minutes | 13:48 |
| Nicd- | kotori: you can also just use systemd timers | 13:51 |
| kotori | I don't know much about systemd (use mainly Debian and Slackware), does it allow random timers? (for instance every X minutes between 8:00AM and 6:00PM with X between 30 and 90?) | 13:53 |
| kotori | by the way, is it normal to not have --rebuild option on rpm? [root@Jolla nemo]# rpm --rebuild vixie-cron-3.0pl1-1.src.rpm | 13:54 |
| kotori | rpm: --rebuild: unknown option | 13:54 |
| Aciid | Nicd-: verkkokauppacom just answered that they wont be ordering / stocking jolla tablet at all because of the set backs!!! | 13:54 |
| Aciid | https://twitter.com/Verkkokauppacom/status/665164318250508288 | 13:55 |
| kotori | (I can extract and compile manually, I am just not sure it is the normal way on the phone) | 13:55 |
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| Nicd- | kotori: check http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.time.html#Calendar%20Events for the syntax | 13:55 |
| eugenio | systemd timers AFAIK don't work in sleep mode, though | 13:56 |
| Nicd- | eugenio: does cron either? | 13:56 |
| kotori | I was checking some other articles, there seems to be a systemd-random-seed function (having random timers is important so I don't just ignore the daily 10:00AM SMS ;) ) | 13:56 |
| eugenio | if it isn't patched, probably it doesn't work either | 13:56 |
| eugenio | you should use timed | 13:57 |
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| eugenio | http://pastebin.com/0mAUPRkw <-- some rules I made back in school to auto-silence the phone and set airplane mode in the bus | 13:57 |
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| eugenio | a bit clunky, but it gets the job done | 13:58 |
| eugenio | and also worked when the phone was in sleep mode | 13:58 |
| kotori | thanks, I'm reading this ;) (if possible, I would rather use cron or systemd as they are the standard utility for this kind of stuff on most distribution though) | 13:59 |
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| kotori | thanks for all the info guys, I'm going to eat and then I'll give systemd a try (to try to mess the system as little as possible by not installing cron) | 14:05 |
| eugenio | have fun :) | 14:06 |
| TemeV | kotori: systemd timers don't work when the phone is sleeping. That juiceme's cron does work. I think it uses libibhp internally | 14:07 |
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| kotori | TemeV Nicd eugenio : ok, I tried vixie cron and it works perfectly (the name of the deamon is vixie_crond, I had to go look in the Makefile to find it, other than that, it's very easy to install and run) | 15:16 |
| kotori | thanks again for the infos ;) | 15:16 |
| eugenio | great :) | 15:16 |
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| Jay_ | good afternoon, can I install and get sailfish 2.0 up and running today, or is it only on pre-release for a few people ? | 16:15 |
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| cb400f | everyone with a jolla phone or tablet has had it for a while | 16:17 |
| cb400f | if you want to run it on something else, i don't know about the availability of images | 16:18 |
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| Jay_ | ah, I see, I was planning on testing it on my n9 just to see if I like it before ordering a jolla phone | 16:19 |
| cb400f | if you liked the N9, you'll like SailfishOS 2.0, trust me ;-) | 16:19 |
| coderus | Jay_: order now, it just 169 eur | 16:20 |
| cb400f | of course the Jolla is not quite the build quality of the N9, but that's a different matter | 16:20 |
| coderus | and no more sailfish images on N9 | 16:20 |
| Jay_ | mm, I'm reasonably convinced - I've been keeping an eye on jolla for a few years, seems like a decent time to step in | 16:20 |
| * cb400f paid more for a 2nd hand N9, than he did for a brand new Jolla two years ago | 16:21 | |
| cb400f | was a 64 gig N9 though | 16:21 |
| Jay_ | battery concerns me a bit - I'm still on a e72 - I found the couple of days battery life on the n9 means its just sat in my tech cupboard since I brought it - hard to find really good reviews on the jolla online as everyone is talking about iphones and android rubbish ;) | 16:22 |
| cb400f | you only had a couple of days on the N9? ... I had about a week (of standby time).. and the Jolla is about the same | 16:23 |
| Jay_ | ok, a week sounds good - thx for the info | 16:23 |
| cb400f | but with a bit of network and screen activity, you'll easily use the battery in a couple of days | 16:23 |
| Jay_ | yeah that ^^ - oh well, guess I'll have to adapt | 16:24 |
| * cb400f has to go | 16:24 | |
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| kr1shnak | hello | 16:49 |
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| yestoall | hi kr1shnak | 16:53 |
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| kr1shnak | just wondering if someone could give me a quick comment on the state of Jolla devices and Sailfish? I followed it a bit when the original announcements were being made, but wondering what the deal is nowadays - from an end user perspective | 16:57 |
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| tbr | the end user gets software updates at one every 1-4 months | 16:57 |
| kr1shnak | is there any thing interesting going on in terms of app or OS development? Has Jolla/Sailfish found sound kind of niche? | 16:58 |
| tbr | well, software development environment for tablet apps seems to come together | 17:00 |
| kr1shnak | cool. Do you have any links I should check out? | 17:00 |
| tbr | the tablet shipments have been delayed repeatedly. we're now at 6 months and counting | 17:00 |
| kr1shnak | hmm | 17:00 |
| yestoall | i wouldnt expect miracles in the time to come, but for me it works as is today...your mileage may vary | 17:01 |
| tbr | what in particular are you interested in? | 17:01 |
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| kr1shnak | I just thought there might be a whole alternate app/system development scene on the platform | 17:01 |
| kr1shnak | perhaps something more for developers | 17:01 |
| kr1shnak | kind of like linux in the Good Old Days(tm) | 17:02 |
| tbr | I don't have much insight into that. there is a developer mailing list with low volume traffic | 17:02 |
| tbr | there is the #sailfishos IRC channel for developer topics | 17:02 |
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| kr1shnak | right. Thanks | 17:03 |
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| gordon` | oops, just ordered my 3rd Jolla phone /o\ | 17:13 |
| Jay_ | what happened to the other 2 ? 0.o | 17:13 |
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| gordon` | first one broke its screen, and I’m still using the second one | 17:13 |
| gordon` | but I need a separate phone for professional usage | 17:14 |
| gordon` | I thought of the alternatives (Firefox OS, Ubuntu Phone…), but that weren’t enough | 17:14 |
| gordon` | and Jolla has the hardware expertise | 17:14 |
| gordon` | so, with the current offer… let’s continue with Jolla! | 17:15 |
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| gordon` | (and I’m still waiting for the tablet \o/) | 17:16 |
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| Joonaa | hey, im having an odd issue where my phone wont charge... its at 0%, charging icon is on, and it keeps beeping... | 17:27 |
| Joonaa | connected to a pc | 17:27 |
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| ggabriel | Joonaa: use a usb charger | 17:28 |
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| Tegu | I don't like that links opened externally will override the current tab in the browser.. | 17:47 |
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| coderus | nobody like, but jolla think it's cool :D | 17:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | well when you have a browser that can only do 3 tabs before it starts oom-ing.... | 17:53 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: what do you talking about? | 17:55 |
| coderus | sailfish is not only a Joll Phone | 17:55 |
| coderus | thats stupid | 17:55 |
| phdeswer | r0kk3rz: want kind of webpages you visit? I routinely have 7/8 tabs open no problem. | 17:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | phdeswer: and it doesnt cause tabs to reload when you go back to them? | 17:57 |
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| phdeswer | Some tabs reload but that is not oom... | 17:58 |
| r0kk3rz | effectively the same thing though, but it doesnt kill the whole app | 17:59 |
| r0kk3rz | just the tab | 17:59 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: just get the fckng sources of browser and look | 18:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://imgur.com/gallery/1boWP7X | 19:01 |
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| adherry | visiting your parents every 4 weeks has some disadvantages | 19:19 |
| adherry | computer maintenance every 4 weeks | 19:19 |
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| SQUelcher | adherry: just install linux there :) | 19:29 |
| adherry | I am not prepared for that drama | 19:30 |
| adherry | he has steam on the computer | 19:30 |
| SQUelcher | :> | 19:30 |
| adherry | he could buy like 1000 games for 50€ in halloween sale | 19:30 |
| r0kk3rz | what on earth are they doing that they need maintenance every 4 weeks? | 19:31 |
| adherry | and his only concern is if I could bring him some of my games | 19:31 |
| adherry | disattaching backup volume | 19:31 |
| adherry | installing toolbars since reading is superhard in installers | 19:31 |
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| adherry | dvd rippers fighting wars against each other | 19:32 |
| adherry | at least they never went to torrents | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds like they'd be better off with torrents tbh | 19:32 |
| adherry | husband of my mother is of the faction “1 cent for developers of software is too much” | 19:32 |
| adherry | torrents is a fast way to get legal trouble | 19:32 |
| adherry | and his position is kinda funny since I am a developer | 19:33 |
| adherry | that kinda lives from customers buying stuff from us | 19:33 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah well, trawling the internet for freeware is a surefire way of getting malware | 19:34 |
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| adherry | well, they have adblocker, so at least that vector is closed | 19:36 |
| adherry | I kinda gave up all hope on adblockers | 19:37 |
| adherry | ehh antivirus products | 19:37 |
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| adherry | every time I am here I use a live cd to search for virusses and that was it | 19:38 |
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| TemeV | btw, if somebody is interested, I built the vixie-cron in obs http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/temev:/vixie-cron/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/ | 21:38 |
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| shpank | hey dudes. i just smashed my jolla and the touchscreen is not responding | 23:59 |
| shpank | how do i get my contacts off the phone now? | 23:59 |
| Yaniel | did you have developer mode on? | 23:59 |
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