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| till | new blog post | 13:43 |
| Nicd- | https://blog.jolla.com/tablet_schedule_aptoide_store/ | 13:45 |
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| ggabriel | and many people angry | 14:02 |
| cehteh | .. just ship my phone please! | 14:03 |
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| cehteh | anyone knows how long the "In Picking" status last on a order? | 14:04 |
| Tegu | they are picking the ingredients (e.g., silicon from sand etc.) | 14:06 |
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| cehteh | maybe | 14:06 |
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| Aciid | https://twitter.com/AciidXOR/status/664450090275373056 | 14:34 |
| Aciid | cast your votes | 14:34 |
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| eugenio | Aciid, second option won it seems: https://blog.jolla.com/tablet_schedule_aptoide_store/ | 14:51 |
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| phlixi | what are the alternatives left without google apple microsoft? | 14:55 |
| phlixi | firefox & ubuntu? | 14:55 |
| eugenio | sailfish? | 14:55 |
| cos- | symbian? | 14:55 |
| ggabriel | do they have to be alive? | 14:55 |
| phlixi | they better be pre born, than post mortem | 14:56 |
| phlixi | i have enough of jollas lies | 14:56 |
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| eugenio | there is also LuneOS | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | well, if you aren't born and you can't be after death... you have nothing | 14:56 |
| phlixi | ill google that | 14:56 |
| Tomo | use duckduckgo if you are so anti google apple ms :P | 14:57 |
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| ggabriel | ^ | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | that | 14:57 |
| eugenio | oh, and Tizen | 14:57 |
| phlixi | well, i know the dead ones my self :-) | 14:57 |
| * eugenio still misses webOS | 14:58 | |
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| ggabriel | phlixi: but then you have nothing... if you want pre born ones (nonexistent ones) then you have nothing | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | otherwise what people said, except symbian maybe as it's dead | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | eugenio: buy an LG "smart" tv :P | 15:00 |
| phlixi | at the moment i have a jolla phone... | 15:00 |
| phlixi | and i have an lg webos tv as well :D | 15:00 |
| ggabriel | sailfish is a very valid alternative imo | 15:00 |
| eugenio | ggabriel, on phones I mean :D | 15:00 |
| eugenio | oh it is, no regrets switching to the Jolla from a pre3 | 15:00 |
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| phlixi | ggabriel with every blogpost of jolla, i think they are more dead | 15:00 |
| cehteh | got a shipping confirmation :) | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | cehteh: \o/ | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: well, everybody has an opinion | 15:01 |
| phlixi | what is this shit? every 4 weeks i am told i get my tablet in 4 weeks... wtf? | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | i think apple is dead the minute steve jobs died | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | and they haven't delivered anything groundbreaking after that fact | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | it's still an opinion and they're making money apparently | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | tsk language | 15:02 |
| phlixi | the blog post from idk, july? they looked like they are going into production, but nothing happened, it seems as if like 50 devices have been made | 15:02 |
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| ggabriel | phlixi: you're referring to the tablet | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | is this your first ks/indiegogo? | 15:02 |
| phlixi | ggabriel no. and i expect them to be honest, but they lie. they straight up lie | 15:03 |
| phlixi | this is ridivulous, every 4 weeks they tell they ship in 4 weeks | 15:03 |
| phlixi | nobody can convinve me, that this is not bullshit | 15:03 |
| ggabriel | maybe your expectations were set to high | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | and people received their tablets so *shrug* | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | or maybe you don't believe that either | 15:04 |
| phlixi | ggabriel do you actually believe, that jolla thought in JULY, that they could actually deliver in august as they claimed? they still do not deliver | 15:05 |
| phlixi | there is no problem in delays, i have problems with lies | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | "believe" is a strong word, i'm quite pragmatic | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | and my expectations are those of a person who very mildly understands the whole process | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | so i expect delays everywhere | 15:06 |
| phlixi | well, i am no native english speaker, in this case with "belive" i meant "not thinking it is a lie, but honest" | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | i expect e.g., that the odm will prefer to produce some android gizmo than the jolla tablet | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | so there you go - the more you use google, the more you delay the tablet, in a way | 15:07 |
| phlixi | yeah, 5 times in a row? | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | 50 fwiw | 15:07 |
| eugenio | meh, the jolla tablet is an android gizmo after all :P | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | i guess i meant an android gizmo that is backed by a bigger company | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | i worked for small and big companies and teh attention that providers give you depend on your size | 15:08 |
| eugenio | FWIW I have no doubts I'll eventually get my tablet | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | i hope so, i know there's a risk of that not happening either | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | but i disagree that jolla lied | 15:09 |
| phlixi | i also think i will eventually get something, but why all those lies? | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | you can tell so much about the future | 15:09 |
| eugenio | but I'm a bit surprised of these long delays, the phone got out in time | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | ? the phone got several delays | 15:09 |
| eugenio | after they changed the chip I mean | 15:09 |
| eugenio | I remember reading a blog post of Mosconi where he said they delayed of only a week | 15:10 |
| phlixi | actually the phone was delayed half a year as well... iut depends on where you count. but there where no lies on the scedule | 15:10 |
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| Stskeeps | eugenio: that was on the replanned product program schedule for the new hw | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | eugenio: the old product program went totally bust due to ST-Ericsson dying | 15:10 |
| eugenio | yup, read about that | 15:11 |
| till | as far as i remember jolla never said "we will deliver on this exact date", they always said "we plan/aim to deliver". so where is the lie? | 15:11 |
| eugenio | but it also more than a month since the screen on the tablet has been changed | 15:11 |
| phlixi | till: thats not the point | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | eugenio: we changed hardware, architecture and a lot of other shit in 6 months for the new program for phone | 15:11 |
| till | but that's how it sound | 15:11 |
| till | +s | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | as with the phone, all these delays will be forgotten the moment the product is in your hands, phlixi | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | so this argument is pointless | 15:12 |
| Aciid | thats why its important to argue now | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | Aciid: lol | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | Aciid: i'm in the office, don't make me laugh :P | 15:12 |
| Aciid | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTOenBlWwAAjN3f.png:large | 15:12 |
| phlixi | ggabriel thats probably the case for you, i do not want to be on a platform where the "mother" is lying all the time. | 15:12 |
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| eugenio | anyway, still looking forward in getting my tablet ;) | 15:13 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: ok, get a refund and go with apple? they never lie | 15:13 |
| Aciid | the platform where avergage user is intellegent enough to code their own apps and work brtfs, still lying to like 6 year olds | 15:13 |
| Aciid | "yes mom will come home" | 15:13 |
| Aciid | "MOM IS DEAD" | 15:13 |
| * till is still unable to see a lie :) | 15:13 | |
| phlixi | thanks Aciid exactly my point | 15:13 |
| ggabriel | all you need to do to keep things tracking a plan is publish a schedule, of course | 15:14 |
| ggabriel | once things are on paper, nothing ever gets delayed | 15:14 |
| cos- | it's crowdfunding.. they always ship very late | 15:14 |
| ggabriel | i'll stop with my cynical comments now, sry | 15:14 |
| phlixi | well, till do you actually think, now in november, that it was not a straight lie, when jolla claimed HALF A YEAR ago, that the will deliver in 4 weeks? | 15:15 |
| phlixi | and then, 5months ago, the same | 15:15 |
| till | again, i remember them saying to AIM to deliver | 15:15 |
| phlixi | yeah, but they must have had know, that it is impossible in 4 weeks | 15:16 |
| urs | I wonder how long it'll take until you can buy a tablet in an actual shop. | 15:16 |
| till | and I trust them that they are doing the best they can to keep their schedule. unfortunately they are not apple or google with the respective ressources | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | cos-: or not at all, http://www.polygon.com/features/2015/8/31/9211969/what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-star-citizen | 15:16 |
| till | if their contractors changed their planes, what should jolla have done else? | 15:16 |
| urs | Because I'm really not an early adopter, so I decided to wait for the initial batches to go through, and then buy the second production series where all bugs have been ironed out... in a store. | 15:17 |
| till | I'm not saying that it's all fine or not frustrating, but I don't agree on calling them liars | 15:18 |
| phlixi | so till, if you order something from me, and i say "i aim to deliver in 4 weeks" allthough i know this is impossible, then this is not a lie? are you serious?= | 15:18 |
| pp_ | hmpf hmpf :D 4.5 hours to figure out optimal train internet, either have jolla tether both VR wlan (which blocks xmpp and mosh) and 3/4g (which is occasionally down on the way) | 15:18 |
| till | aifaik it was crowdfunding with a well described risk | 15:18 |
| phlixi | and i do not talk about it beeing 5 weeks, but 6 months | 15:18 |
| phlixi | (and actually nothing until know, thus MORE than that | 15:19 |
| pp_ | or figure out how to configure macos to do that :P | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | urs: uhm... availability on store depends on somebody having some money to produce a batch and put it on sale | 15:19 |
| Raim | phlixi: you backed a crowdfounding campaign for an unfinished product, you did not just order something | 15:19 |
| phlixi | Raim: that is nitpicking. i am totally fine with delays, I am upset about the LIES | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | urs: or keep your eyes open, maybe some people ask for a refund and they have some spares to sell | 15:20 |
| till | exactly. and if I "order" something knowing this, and getting updates from time to time, I see no reason to call anyone a liar. except if it would be done knowingly and on purpose | 15:20 |
| phlixi | OF COURSE IT IS KNOINGLY | 15:21 |
| phlixi | THATS THE WHOLE POINT | 15:21 |
| Raim | phlixi: I don't see any lies from Jolla. yes, the delays are unfortunate, but what do you expect them to do different? | 15:21 |
| phlixi | Raim, till you both really think in JULY when they said "4 weeks to go" no one was aware, that this IMPOSSIBLE? sorry, but that is stupid | 15:22 |
| phlixi | they said 4 weeks, and it is more than 6 months. seems unbelievable to me that it should have been possible in 4 weeks back then | 15:23 |
| till | 4 weeks according to the schedule if everything works as planned, i would imagine | 15:23 |
| Raim | phlixi: the original shipping goal was September/October, so it is at most 4 weeks behind schedule. although some devices already shipped. | 15:24 |
| phlixi | well, Raim the ORIGINAL shipping goal was MAI | 15:25 |
| cos- | it would be interesting to see the actual factory production schedules and what happened to them, but i bet they are not public info because of nda's between jolla and subcontractors. | 15:25 |
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| phlixi | but jolla knows whats in those secret dosuments | 15:26 |
| cos- | of course | 15:26 |
| cos- | releasing that info would not speed up production and probably would just cause problems | 15:27 |
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| till | btw, where did they claim to deliver in four weeks from july? | 15:27 |
| phlixi | till: read the blog: everytime there is a blog post, exactly that moment was one of the promised dates. actually everything that happens on a promised date is a new blog post | 15:28 |
| till | show me a link please, I can't find what you mean | 15:28 |
| phlixi | blog.jolla.com | 15:28 |
| till | to an exact source of your claim of course | 15:29 |
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| Raim | phlixi: well, if you are in the first campaign it might have been May. but even then some specs were changed... *shrug* | 15:30 |
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| narchie | jolla mobile | 15:31 |
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| phlixi | even worse: April 23, 2015 by Juha Paakkari https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-4/ New shipping target for Jolla Tablet: end of July 2015 | 15:35 |
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| Yaniel | note the word "target" there | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: you mentioned you aren't a native speaker, target date doesn't imply a promise or commitment to deliver that date | 15:35 |
| phlixi | sorry, but scerw you, its always "aim" target" blahablah | 15:35 |
| Yaniel | of course | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | ok, I was trying to be nice there, you are quite upset obviously, phlixi and can't listen to reason IMO | 15:36 |
| phlixi | then go to END OF JULY, the date mentioned in above linked post... | 15:36 |
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| narchie | what's wrong with you | 15:37 |
| narchie | when you set a target | 15:37 |
| narchie | you're aiming to meet that target | 15:37 |
| narchie | not miss by 6 months | 15:37 |
| phlixi | ...if you aimed for 4 weeks | 15:38 |
| narchie | you don't win in olympic shooting by missing every shot | 15:39 |
| narchie | and then telling the referees | 15:39 |
| narchie | "but that was just a target" | 15:39 |
| phlixi | by the way, its not only for the tablet, its for so many things.... they said "we make tjc and the highest voted stuff gets implemented" ... yeah, look at this: https://together.jolla.com/question/832/system-wide-clipboard-copy-paste-capability/ | 15:39 |
| phlixi | nothing happens | 15:39 |
| phlixi | (second most voted item ever) | 15:40 |
| Aciid | if this would have been b2b all orders would have been canceled 6months ago | 15:42 |
| Raim | the iPhone needed 3 iterations to get copy & paste :-P | 15:42 |
| Aciid | but being a cuck consumer and IGG in between no way to cancel all | 15:42 |
| Aciid | Raim: yeah but iPhone is not 6months late each release | 15:42 |
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| Raim | maybe it is? you just don't know. they also do not announce features beforehand, maybe they scrap them last minute every time? you just never hear of that. | 15:43 |
| phlixi | till Raim did you looked that up? here, for you: July 23, 2015 by Carol Chen https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-display-shipping-update/ Ramping up for general shipments to contributors will take about 3-5 weeks | 15:44 |
| phlixi | ...that points to end of august | 15:44 |
| Aciid | if Jolla woudl have been a japanese company the owners would have all commited suicide by now | 15:45 |
| Aciid | just sayin | 15:45 |
| Aciid | but in Finland they just part the company | 15:45 |
| Aciid | =) | 15:45 |
| phlixi | i leave it up to you, to find the next blog post, the next promise, and the next delay (a new blog post) | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | Aciid: i thought it's laying down in the snow to die | 15:45 |
| phlixi | raim and till you are so quiet know? | 15:46 |
| Raim | phlixi: maybe they just can't tell you the cause of the delays due to NDA. I still don't see "lies". | 15:47 |
| phlixi | you must be blind then | 15:47 |
| coderus | phlixi: you might know system-wide-clipboard-copy-paste-capability is the hardest wish ever, due do Qt limitations | 15:47 |
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| Raim | phlixi: I am confident all tablets will be delivered eventually. | 15:48 |
| phlixi | Raim: i never questioned that | 15:48 |
| Aciid | they will but for the time being its a right to be on the offensive | 15:48 |
| coderus | but tell me if you can copy any text in Ubuntu Touch or BB10 Qt Apps, it will be interesting to look at impllementation | 15:48 |
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| phlixi | i am sick of the lies, thats all | 15:49 |
| till | phlixi: "ramping up for shipment" does hardly mean the tablet will be sent by then to my understanding | 15:49 |
| Aciid | no but I can in my iphone and ipad jsut right, also I can share it from my iphone to my macbook | 15:49 |
| Aciid | called cohorence | 15:49 |
| Aciid | it just werks | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | Aciid: yuk, you need an application to copy/paste on ios? | 15:49 |
| Aciid | no | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | it hardly works on android system wide anyway | 15:49 |
| phlixi | ggabriel ofc not, "it just works" | 15:50 |
| Aciid | it works anywhere on ios where there is uilabel widget | 15:50 |
| Raim | Aciid: a device with >10 years of development, that did not have copy & paste at all until 3.0 | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | i haven't tried ios in ~2 years, but it wans't working ok on ios 4/5 | 15:50 |
| till | but I agree with ggabriel's comment | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | sometimes it doesn't even work on my desktop unless i tweak stuff | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | so, copy/paste is hard | 15:50 |
| Aciid | Raim: yeah sometimes it's more important to think about which glass coatings can withstand cocaine base without going mushy. | 15:51 |
| Aciid | so copy paste was not that important | 15:51 |
| the_mgt | copy and pasting has been working "on linux" for quite some time. even in things like enlightenment 17 | 15:51 |
| coderus | dont tell me about other platforms please, only about Qt | 15:51 |
| phlixi | of course it is not hard to implement copy & paste if you own the system. it is a matter of priorities | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | the_mgt: yeah, but not perfectly ;) that's my point: there's always something with copy/paste, also regresses sometimes | 15:51 |
| the_mgt | "qt limitations" is something nobody should dare to say. people have been laughing hard for non working stuff in linux in the last century | 15:52 |
| the_mgt | not getting copy&paste to work is more than a shame | 15:52 |
| phlixi | not trying to is even worse | 15:52 |
| cos- | well, copy-paste doesn't work everywhere in windows | 15:52 |
| coderus | nobody want to understand, i see :) | 15:52 |
| coderus | i'm off ftom this chat | 15:53 |
| coderus | from | 15:53 |
| the_mgt | I do not want to hear any excuse. and "qt limitations" is a sorry excuse | 15:53 |
| phlixi | coderus: i understand that is more than 2 hours of work, but i do not undersand, that it is not done in two years | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | isn't the copy-paste issue excusively web browser to rest of stack atm? | 15:54 |
| phlixi | last time i tried in email, i wasnt able to copy | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | i can def copy/paste to and from browser with notes | 15:54 |
| the_mgt | even if qt is limitated, it can write to a file, I suppose. I do not see the hardship of heaving /tmp/copypaste.file and applying some read write opperations on that | 15:55 |
| the_mgt | (hm, should contentrate more, too many typos) | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | the_mgt: your solution sounds ugly | 15:55 |
| Elleo | coderus: there's copy paste in Ubuntu Touch (although not perfectly supported in webapps at the moment) | 15:55 |
| the_mgt | ggabriel: what if it works? | 15:55 |
| phlixi | thanks the_mgt | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | the_mgt: I can break it theoretically, so it doesn't work | 15:56 |
| the_mgt | I do not want version control or a stack of umpteen different temporal states, I want one temporary memory. that's all | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | race conditions come to mind | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 15:56 |
| coderus | Elleo: implemented in ubuntu touch windows manager, right? | 15:56 |
| the_mgt | ggabriel: what can't be broken in theory? | 15:56 |
| Raim | the_mgt: uhm, accessing the clipboard works, the problem is text selection, isn't it? | 15:57 |
| phlixi | Raim: i guess thats the case | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | Raim: I think that's the main issue | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. email is a web view too | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | and some edge cases e.g., terminal copy cna't paste on browser or something like that | 15:57 |
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| locusf | just forward | 15:57 |
| the_mgt | yeah, text selections sucks at times, too. but that is os-agnostic when it comes to mobile devices | 15:58 |
| phlixi | Stskeeps: true (and i stopped to care about thet...) | 15:58 |
| locusf | and copy from plain text | 15:58 |
| Raim | ggabriel: yes, at least you can paste into fingerterm which was fixed with some update | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | i think i copy from trem, paste on notes and then the world is my oyster | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | and i do what locusf suggests for email unless it's a silly base64 encoded email, which doesn't deserve to be copied | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | the last time i tried to copy from an email on android, it crashed :P | 15:59 |
| Elleo | coderus: well Mir/Unity8 control the copy paste buffer, and the SDK has various convenience stuff for putting things in the buffer from QML (which I'd assume goes via Qt's clipboard stuff with a Mir backend, but I'm not sure of that) | 15:59 |
| pa | stupid question: how do i update a jolla phone? | 16:06 |
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| pa | i cant find anything in the settings | 16:06 |
| phlixi | pa: go to settings app | 16:06 |
| pa | maybe older versions couldnt be updated OTA? | 16:06 |
| Tegu | they can | 16:06 |
| pa | ok, then im blind | 16:07 |
| Bysmyyr | it is the in about page | 16:07 |
| Tegu | go to "Device information" or watever | 16:07 |
| pa | im in the about page | 16:07 |
| Bysmyyr | that^ | 16:07 |
| pa | but i cant find any update | 16:07 |
| Tegu | then use the top pulleyu | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | pa: which version are you running now? | 16:07 |
| phlixi | the newer versions have a top level entry for the update in older versions it is in about or similar | 16:07 |
| pa | ah yes i had to pull the menu | 16:07 |
| pa | in the awesome interface :) | 16:07 |
| phlixi | :D | 16:07 |
| Bysmyyr | you will get used to it | 16:08 |
| pa | one wonders, coming from N9, how things could have gone so wrong xD | 16:08 |
| pa | kidding | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | i find pulley menus awesome | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | they changed the update bit anyway | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | because it was rather hiddne | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | not that you necessarily have to check for updates anyway | 16:09 |
| pa | you don't say xD | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | I admit to check for updates when I was too impatient to wait for the phone to do it on its own | 16:09 |
| pa | btw does jolla qt have qtmobility? | 16:09 |
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| pa | or maybe the unofficial qtcontacts module? | 16:12 |
| pa | i was considering to port my contact app | 16:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | ping Stskeeps | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: pong | 17:54 |
| r0kk3rz | reminder to upload the latest sources to releases.sailfishos.org :P | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: somebody else is on that now, but he's aware | 17:54 |
| r0kk3rz | oh ok, this someone else on irc? | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | mm, not sure | 17:55 |
| r0kk3rz | thanks anyway | 17:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | also, flashing a bad boot.img wont break fastboot will it? so you can flash the old one back | 17:56 |
| r0kk3rz | to jolla phone | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | no, it won't | 17:56 |
| r0kk3rz | thought so | 17:56 |
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| djselbeck | Zwin2 | 18:22 |
| djselbeck | man, sorry | 18:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | does fastboot mode still work on the jolla phone? or is it recommended we do everything though recovery mode now | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | sure does | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | but, might need bootloader unlocking | 18:37 |
| r0kk3rz | did that | 18:38 |
| r0kk3rz | got it to say 'fastboot mode' | 18:38 |
| r0kk3rz | but fastboot on my computer isnt saying much | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | might need a -i or -d | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | lsusb | 18:39 |
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| phdeswer | Might need to add 0x2931 to ~/.adb/android_usb if 'fastboot devices' does not show anything | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | its there in lsusb | 18:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | phdeswer, to phone or pc? | 18:43 |
| phdeswer | r0kk3rz: pc ofc | 18:43 |
| phdeswer | And fastboot devices is empty right? | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | should that file already exist? | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | yes is empty | 18:44 |
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| phdeswer | r0kk3rz: nope often you have to add the file | 18:50 |
| r0kk3rz | cool | 18:52 |
| phdeswer | r0kk3rz: just checked remembered wrong. File is ~/.android/adb_usb.ini | 18:53 |
| phdeswer | mixed up adb/android order | 18:53 |
| r0kk3rz | that might help | 18:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | phdeswer, still nothing | 18:59 |
| phdeswer | Have you tried running sudo fastboot? | 19:01 |
| phdeswer | And --kill-server first | 19:01 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. Anybody else having problems with text messages with Sailfish OS 2.0.0.10? | 20:24 |
| PaulePanter | I sent a text message to several people, and now every SMS I get from them is put into that thread. | 20:25 |
| PaulePanter | That’s really annoying, as sometimes I don’t know from whom that SMS is. | 20:25 |
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| cb400f | hm, maybe these guys are responding to everyone in the same conversation? ... maybe you could delete that conversation/thread to separate things again | 20:31 |
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