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| mad-dev | Hey guy, what the official channel for SDK related qs? | 01:02 |
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| mad-dev | *is | 01:02 |
| tadzik | #sailfishos, I guess? | 01:02 |
| mad-dev | tadzik: thanks...I should have figured that. | 01:03 |
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| mad-dev | Hey guys, I am having a problem with the SDK, mainly with the emulator. It keeps disconnecting. | 01:30 |
| mad-dev | The message I get is Error connecting to "SailfishOS Emulator" virtual machine: Failed to establish SSH conection with virtual machine "SailfishOS Emulator": 1 The remote host closed the connection | 01:32 |
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| Sidde | hmm, the music player don't pause anymore when a call is incoming | 08:55 |
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| Sidde | seems to work after a reboot | 09:02 |
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| coderus | probably you started something else, means some other media applicatoin, with broken media resource types | 09:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | just remembered its SLUSH this week, wonder what jolla has in store for us | 09:46 |
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| tbr | more sweet lies and deception, is my bet | 09:47 |
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| Yaniel | I hope the lies come in strawberry flavour | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | liquorice flavour | 09:50 |
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| tbr | chili liquorice | 09:54 |
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| Yaniel | I could get behind that I guess | 09:55 |
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| mornfall | heh | 09:59 |
| Yaniel | (the taste, not the lies) | 09:59 |
| mornfall | btw will the tablet ship before christmas? :-) | 10:00 |
| * tbr puts bets on NOPE | 10:00 | |
| tbr | especially 32GB | 10:00 |
| cehteh | will my phone ship before chrismas? :) | 10:02 |
| tbr | shake a magic 8-ball, find out | 10:03 |
| * tbr is far too negative today, goes to mind his own business somewhere, somehow | 10:04 | |
| * cehteh shakes his balls | 10:04 | |
| tbr | TMI! | 10:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | tbr: its easy to be negative, particularly when you consistently get let down | 11:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | i do wonder whether many people will give up on jolla if they dont announce a new phone at slush | 11:05 |
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| Laxtlo_ | http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/GNo6FOri/file.html | 12:41 |
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| entil | do shared calendars work (owncloud) or is this all about reporting an issue on tjc? | 13:11 |
| sakustar | wheres the battery indicator on 2.0.x | 13:11 |
| sakustar | or did mine vanish? i think it used to show % on lockscreen | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | sakustar: should be top left | 13:12 |
| sakustar | saved by coderus again, battery overlay back in action | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | sakustar: although for some people the upgrade didnt give you the status bar | 13:12 |
| sakustar | i had it but it seems to have vanished | 13:13 |
| sakustar | :D | 13:13 |
| r0kk3rz | up to you whether you consider that a bug or a feature | 13:13 |
| sakustar | well not knowing battery % at all is definitely a feature | 13:13 |
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| sakustar | :) | 13:14 |
| r0kk3rz | should alert when its getting low, other than what why do you need to know? | 13:14 |
| r0kk3rz | s/what/that | 13:14 |
| sakustar | i like the anxiety of dropping charge levels | 13:15 |
| sakustar | "is it gonna last home?!" | 13:15 |
| sakustar | when it drops to 70% on any phone i get the feeling of impending doom (thx android) | 13:17 |
| sakustar | on my note2 that meant 4-6 hours left :D | 13:17 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah for most people 50-60% is the panic level | 13:19 |
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| sakustar | is gopro the only brand i should look at | 13:22 |
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| sakustar | if i want a cam for hikes & maybe mount on car | 13:23 |
| Helle | sakustar: if you aren't willing to spend money on a Blackmagic Design camera, then yes | 13:23 |
| r0kk3rz | pretty sure loads of people make cams these days | 13:23 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: sure, but the GoPros "just work" argument is big | 13:23 |
| r0kk3rz | a mate of mine has a replayxd which goes good | 13:23 |
| sakustar | yeah i was thinking are the cheap ones crap | 13:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | Helle: i remember a few horror stories about gopros and bad firmware though | 13:24 |
| sakustar | need to google if theres one with speedometer @ ~100 | 13:24 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe they've got their act together these days | 13:24 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: the problem is that the other companies tend to be more shifty | 13:25 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: Blackmagic ones are a grade up, being prosumer to outright pro | 13:25 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure gopro want that reputation at least | 13:26 |
| r0kk3rz | but it seems too much of the 'just buy an iphone, they just work' argument | 13:26 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: GoPros aren't prosumer.... | 13:27 |
| Helle | (Mythbusters traded in all their GoPros for Blackmagic cameras for their last season) | 13:27 |
| Helle | and well, Blackmagic cameras are "cheap enough" for anyone serious about stuff.... | 13:27 |
| Helle | and in the case of for TV even if they are guaranteed to be destroyed | 13:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah i guess it depends on how serious you take your action cameras | 13:28 |
| * Helle dabbles in video production at times | 13:28 | |
| Helle | which I could do more with it, but eh | 13:28 |
| sakustar | well if i mount one under the car to see how my crankshaft mpves etc :D | 13:28 |
| sakustar | i dont want to drive over a 1k+ cam with 3,5 tonnes | 13:29 |
| r0kk3rz | the only one i have any experience with is the replayxd, which did what i expected of it without any fuss | 13:29 |
| Helle | sakustar: just record a GPS log in parralel and overlay it ? | 13:29 |
| Helle | I am sure someone wrote some plugins for that | 13:29 |
| sakustar | yeah but editing is boring :-) | 13:29 |
| * Helle doesn't mind it | 13:30 | |
| sakustar | you da man | 13:30 |
| Helle | just wish I could do it and be paid for it :P | 13:30 |
| Helle | I mean I might be a crazy girl, but just spending an afternoon editing videos is calming compared to uni or my part time job | 13:30 |
| sakustar | atm if i have any extra energy id rather waste it on code | 13:30 |
| Helle | sakustar: see, the thing is, part time work and uni ruined coding for fun for me | 13:31 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: yeah but sometimes relaxing things as hobbies turn into nightmare jobs | 13:31 |
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| Helle | r0kk3rz: oh, sure | 13:32 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: i feel the same way about mechanics work, quite relaxing compared to my day job, but do it for work? hell no | 13:32 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: if I did video for work, I'd rather do live broadcast stuff | 13:32 |
| Helle | that is just a few hours of stress | 13:32 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i suppose | 13:33 |
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| sakustar | Helle: weird, work was what made coding fun for me | 15:33 |
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| sakustar | good luck finding a coding job that has enuf parking place for a pickup tho | 15:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | sakustar: i could at my job | 15:59 |
| r0kk3rz | but my job isnt very typical i guess | 15:59 |
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| Sail0r | and again | 16:11 |
| Sail0r | tjc unusable because of spam | 16:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah they really really want us to buy some love spells | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | next up, Jolla LoveSpell devic | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | e | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | the AI in it is reaching out to all of you | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats totally an idea for the next big app | 16:32 |
| r0kk3rz | wingman personal assistant | 16:32 |
| Rillivellu | What's happening in together.com? Some strange error messages... | 16:33 |
| Tegu | spam spam | 16:35 |
| Tegu | is Love Problem the next big meme? | 16:35 |
| Rillivellu | :D When you google it, you get some strange love-guru websites... | 16:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | because if thee girl of your dreams doesnt want you, turn to blood magic | 16:39 |
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| Rillivellu | :D Definately | 16:47 |
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| baum | hmmm, incase i've to reset my phone - couldn't i just backup nemo's home directory on a disk and use it to restore the data on a later point? | 18:24 |
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| cos- | does jolla warranty still work? looks like the headphone output of my phone is weirdly broken. only weird noise comes out when using it. | 18:32 |
| cos- | or is there a diy fix for it? i don't think it's a mechanical issue | 18:33 |
| sjn | \o | 18:33 |
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| sjn | anyone here know of a good place to read/subscribe in order to follow any developments on the tablet? | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | cos-: first time i've heard such a hw issue | 18:34 |
| sjn | (or the lack of :-P) | 18:34 |
| cos- | does the headphone output use different DAC than normal speakers? | 18:35 |
| * sjn has the impression that there's no news, but admits he might not look in the right places | 18:35 | |
| cos- | sjn: i don't think there is more info except the official blog and emails | 18:36 |
| ottulonen | cos-: is the sound completely messed up, or just sounds weird? | 18:36 |
| cos- | completely messed. just weird buzzing or clicking noise. | 18:37 |
| ottulonen | I've had the issue of odd sounding music etc when using a Nokia style plug in the headphone output on Jolla etc | 18:37 |
| sjn | hmf | 18:37 |
| ottulonen | sounds like an actual issue, then, but I couldn't begin to guess what | 18:37 |
| ottulonen | I suppose you've tried with different headphones or made sure the ones work on other devices? | 18:37 |
| Tegu | I think it uses the apple version of the plug? | 18:38 |
| Tegu | or was it the other way around.. | 18:38 |
| ottulonen | I've found no issues with any plugs other than the Nokia ones that have three sections | 18:38 |
| cos- | yes, it happens on all headphones and devices | 18:38 |
| ottulonen | as in, has mic as well | 18:38 |
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| Tegu | here are the plugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)#TRRS_standards | 18:39 |
| Tegu | no idea why there has to be different versions >_> | 18:40 |
| cos- | i only use regular stereo headphones. does'nt work on any of them so the issue must be in the phone | 18:40 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, was on a talk today from a guy running the vanilla kernel on his N900 with Debian userland :) | 18:40 |
| M4rtinK | and it's actually not as broken as one wold expect :) | 18:40 |
| M4rtinK | *would | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: we did spend a lot of time trying to upstream things in the meego arm project | 18:41 |
| Tegu | ottulo: it looks like the ground and the microphone are reversed in jolla vs. your nokia headphones.. | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: you can idly wonder that it took so many years to be fully in mainline. | 18:41 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: yeah, that's definitely the base of all those efforts | 18:41 |
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| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: yeah, it looks like it's still ongoing even now | 18:42 |
| Tegu | ottulo: you probably need an adapter (I hope there are such things) | 18:42 |
| ottulo | Tegu: you're right, so just by crossing two wires they'd work just fine :D | 18:42 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: and there seems to still even be an Omap maintainer from TI :) | 18:42 |
| cos- | but does anyone know if jolla still has replacement devices for warranty? i'm pretty sure this can't be fixed without replacing the whole phone | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | cos-: i think the headphone part is a seperate part internally | 18:43 |
| ottulo | Tegu: no need, I only have one Nokia headset and I practically never use it, have a Bluetooth headset for driving etc | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | i might be wrong | 18:43 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: I guess it could go faster if TI didn't stop making new OMAPs | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: there's so much crap that just breaks on occasion when upgrading to later upstream kernels... | 18:43 |
| cos- | Stskeeps: the amplifier and other electronics also, not just the connector? | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | cos-: unsure | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: openalt was good otherwise? | 18:43 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: yep, really good! :) | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: idly curious, how many have jollas in such a crowd? | 18:44 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: didn't manage many talks due to talking to all the people in the hallway track & taking care of the 3D printer :) | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 18:44 |
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| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: there was at least one other Jolla with a tohkbd (owned by a friend from Prague) and at least 2 or three more I have seen | 18:45 |
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| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: and at least one waiting for his Jolla tablet (hist first Sailfish OS device) to arrive :) | 18:46 |
| cos- | i'd prefer buying a jolla2 but i suppose it won't be out anytime soon if it ever will be | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: nod | 18:46 |
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| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: also looks like there is at least one guy still using a Neo FreeRuner as a phone and one other told me he switched from it only recently :) | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: i never personally had the patience for a freerunner.. did own one though, the gps rocked | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | rest... :) | 18:48 |
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| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: that's basically the last remaining usage for the one I have - recording NMEA logs :) | 18:49 |
| M4rtinK | BTW "device" photos from yesterdays #OpenAlt afterparty: | 18:50 |
| M4rtinK | https://twitter.com/JosefJebavy/status/663364247171293184 | 18:50 |
| M4rtinK | https://twitter.com/JosefJebavy/status/663309251448840192 | 18:50 |
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| M4rtinK | also yesterday there was a talk about the Plasma Mobile project & a demo | 18:51 |
| M4rtinK | impressive stuff but still very far from being user-usable | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | i really wonder what they're doing wrong with their gfx stack | 18:52 |
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| M4rtinK | well, the graphics looked OK | 18:52 |
| M4rtinK | the overall unfinishedness and general breakage is the main issue | 18:53 |
| M4rtinK | no artifacts or stuff like that, at least according to the demo | 18:53 |
| M4rtinK | mostly just: stuff missing, stuff running unadapted from desktop, some apps crashing | 18:54 |
| M4rtinK | but the environment itself survived the demo | 18:54 |
| ottulo | haha, great issue with the CSD tool :D | 18:57 |
| ottulo | proximity sensor test: place on horizontal surface, cover the sensor, press continue | 18:57 |
| ottulo | > won't let me press continue while the sensor is covered | 18:57 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: but the "release engineering" they use at the moment is plain crazy - they take an Ubuntu Touch image, remove and replace random bits and get "their" image this way | 18:58 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: with Wayland instead of Mir, etc. | 18:58 |
| PaulePanter | Hi. Even with Sailfish OS 2.0.0.10, the touchscreen does not work anymore sometimes (touch). | 18:58 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: from their blog post they were using the ubuntu branch of hybris with wayland for some reason | 18:59 |
| PaulePanter | Before that happens the screen turns on for no reason and then touching doesn’t not work anymore. | 18:59 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: also they seem to aim on being just an environment/shell rather than full distro, basically delegating the distro and related stuff to someone else (including app distribution apparently) | 18:59 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: that's apparently due to the Blue Systems people having experience with Ubuntu Touch but not Mer | 19:00 |
| ottulo | PaulePanter: are you sure you're not covering the proximity sensor I just mentioned? it's in the top right corner, sorta halfway between speaker and edge | 19:00 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: yeah right, it looks like they're coming to their senses though | 19:00 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: could be they did some contract work for Canonical or something | 19:00 |
| r0kk3rz | blog post i read was about them using mainline hybris instead | 19:00 |
| M4rtinK | it's definitely something to watch | 19:01 |
| PaulePanter | ottulo: I don’t think so. | 19:01 |
| M4rtinK | it's still ways of from being usable but definitely has potential IMHO | 19:02 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: i hope it works out for them, more true linux phones the better | 19:02 |
| r0kk3rz | eventually we might even be able to get ODMs to support non-android kernels (gasp) | 19:03 |
| ottulo | PaulePanter: if the issue occurs often you can check if you're covering the sensor at that time, also pay attention to whether the sensor is uncovered right before screen turned on etc | 19:03 |
| PaulePanter | ottulo: It just sat next to me. Nothing covered or uncovered during that time. | 19:04 |
| ottulo | then I guess it's not that, you could try checking TJC or contacting support | 19:04 |
| PaulePanter | Ok. | 19:04 |
| r0kk3rz | PaulePanter: contact care about it, sounds like your screen/prox sensor might be failing | 19:05 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: I think the N900 mainlining efforts might also help this indirectly | 19:06 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it might help set up a pathway for qcom to follow in or something | 19:07 |
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| Jope | anyone wanna buy a CIB N900? :-) | 19:17 |
| Jope | acessories never used apart from the battery | 19:17 |
| Jope | the phone is also used | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: that i can tell you is usually a terrible idea.. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | especially in mobile | 19:19 |
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| locusf | mainlining? | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | no, delegating distro/core to somebody else.. | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | you really want to know where your milliseocnds in rendering goes | 19:25 |
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| tbr | and there I thought that sharing the core was a grand idea, how mistaken I must have been | 19:27 |
| mornfall | tbr: obviously, it's impossible to profile shared code | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | more along the lines that you'll see vastly different things if you base on different core components | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | ie let's say ubuntu vs arch | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: well, I kinda got the same feeling from that but for different reasons (eq. no one stepping up or making some stupid decisions they would not make, etc.) | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand following more of the desktop/server model could help, it's just people are not used to it yet | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | like, there is no KDE/XFCE owned distro | 19:29 |
| * lpotter wonders why more people dont use something like openembedded | 19:29 | |
| M4rtinK | or no Apache or JBOSS distro, etc. | 19:29 |
| lpotter | wait for systemd distro | 19:30 |
| mornfall | lpotter: that's all of them | 19:30 |
| Nicd- | lpotter: Arch Linux? | 19:30 |
| M4rtinK | every (modern) idstro is a systemd distro :) | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: then again, containers for specific purposes are exploding.. | 19:30 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: did you mean exploiting ? ;-) | 19:30 |
| lpotter | no, I mean systemd distro.. distro in systemd | 19:30 |
| r0kk3rz | lpotter: linux + systemd + emacs and you've got a full stack! | 19:31 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: but it's for sure getting better | 19:31 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: and the XDG app project looks really interesting | 19:31 |
| M4rtinK | https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/SandboxedApps | 19:32 |
| M4rtinK | https://github.com/alexlarsson/xdg-app | 19:32 |
| M4rtinK | looks like desktop/GUI app sandboxing done right | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | the real question is if the mobile phone market is disrupted before any of us emerging mobile OS'es get any sizeable % though | 19:33 |
| M4rtinK | I'm starting to hate that word :) | 19:33 |
| * baum read that the fairphone will support Sailfish - is that something official or a community project? | 19:34 | |
| M4rtinK | well, in context other than ship-to-ship combat weapons at least ;-) | 19:34 |
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| tbr | mhjah, another crowd funding project runs out of steam http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/11/08/0435251/another-1-million-crowdfunded-gadget-company-collapses | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: well, imagine for a moment that magic leap turns out to be contact lens technology.. | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | baum: https://www.fairphone.com/2015/10/22/jolla-community-working-on-sailfish-os-for-the-fairphone-2/ | 19:35 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: in a market for millions of devices every year, surely there is room for a little differentiation | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: that'll probably cause a lot of havoc :P | 19:35 |
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| M4rtinK | AFAIK "installing" & removing contact lenses is quite tedious | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but people will do the craziest things | 19:36 |
| M4rtinK | I would rather opt for non-dioptric glasses for AR | 19:36 |
| baum | Stskeeps: thanks | 19:37 |
| M4rtinK | also makes it easier to check whats real & what's AR | 19:37 |
| M4rtinK | my test for AR realism: once you see three cats, but only two without glasses, it's good enough :) | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: i hear beer can help tht | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | +a | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:38 |
| lpotter | tbr: ya. I think more people need to realize that crowdfunding is not 'buying a device' and more like investing 'you may win, you may loose' | 19:39 |
| M4rtinK | IMHO the best "recommended reading" for how advanced AR might look like is IMHO this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denn%C5%8D_Coil | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | dennou coil is cool | 19:39 |
| tbr | lpotter: yes, I wrote off the money the day I confirmed the transaction. Still I'm peeved by _how_ jolla is handling its campaign | 19:40 |
| M4rtinK | tbr: I'm also backing a bunch of stuff and good campaigns are usually quite spammy | 19:41 |
| M4rtinK | tbr: bad ones are usually the opposite (cough, Mozilla, cough) | 19:41 |
| tbr | tohkbd was quite good | 19:41 |
| M4rtinK | definitely | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: i should really watch beyond first two episodes.. | 19:41 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: it's really good | 19:42 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: and they really know what they are talking about, especially wit limits of the technology & real/AR interaction | 19:42 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: quite a few gotchas & the difficulties of matching the AR world on the (changing) real one | 19:45 |
| r0kk3rz | and lots of entertaining kid-like shenannigans | 19:46 |
| lpotter | tbr: well, like I always say, it could be worse | 19:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | creating a pseudo-mythology of the virtual world, like you do with the real world as a kid | 19:47 |
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| tbr | lpotter: first you settle that it could be worse and then it actually becomes worse. it's called life. ;-) | 19:47 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: also AR portals and AR machineguns :) | 19:47 |
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| * tbr prefers drone mounted guns | 19:48 | |
| * lpotter prefers drones farting rainbows | 19:49 | |
| M4rtinK | BTW, Robotics;Notes also has some AR elements (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotics;Notes) | 19:49 |
| * tbr has unicorns for the rainbows | 19:49 | |
| r0kk3rz | unicorn mounted drones | 19:49 |
| M4rtinK | its much more nearterm with the AR being done on something really resembling the Jolla Tablets :) | 19:50 |
| tbr | also: sharks with lazors! | 19:50 |
| M4rtinK | http://robotics-notes.wikia.com/wiki/PokeCom | 19:50 |
| kimmoli | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw | 19:50 |
| M4rtinK | so maybe something to consider for Jolla Tablet application development ? ;-) | 19:51 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, will be nice to get the tablet | 19:53 |
| r0kk3rz | i'm still hoping for this month, but will be more likely jan-feb 2016 | 19:54 |
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| M4rtinK | would be good to get it before FOSDEM | 19:55 |
| M4rtinK | I'm considering not lugging my 15" laptop this time | 19:56 |
| M4rtinK | but having the tablet for Christmas hacking would be also nice | 19:56 |
| r0kk3rz | well i 'pre-ordered' a month or so ago because i thought the scheduling issues were over... | 19:56 |
| M4rtinK | (to anybody responsible for tablet shipping: remember, no Tablet, no Mieru ;-) ) | 19:57 |
| M4rtinK | (and no x86 OpenRepos until Basil gets his) | 19:57 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: I ordered like 2 hours since it started :) | 19:57 |
| M4rtinK | the original Indiegogo campaign | 19:58 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: i was unemployed then, and couldnt justify putting money on something only to receive it a year later | 19:58 |
| M4rtinK | it was no declared as "a year later" back then :) | 19:58 |
| kimmoli | something here reminds me to start building my wifi xmas lights | 19:59 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: yes thats true, but was still a while off though | 19:59 |
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| * Stskeeps watches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYPfLSTv30Y | 20:14 | |
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| dirkvl | omg much inspirational wow | 20:18 |
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| dirkvl_ | https://youtu.be/uookHN7H15k?t=2m15s | 20:21 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, inspirational stuff - there was also a talk about the e-NABLE project on the conference (http://enablingthefuture.org/) | 20:24 |
| M4rtinK | including one fully working example of the 3D printed prosthetic hand | 20:24 |
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| AmadeusXNet | Anyone who knows how to fix evdev mice? The pointer disappears by moving around. | 21:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: reading some of that xdg-app stuff, this is a fairly bonkers idea by old mate lennart http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html | 21:25 |
| r0kk3rz | assemble your own frankenos at runtime | 21:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | yep, its definitely a vision for systemdos | 21:37 |
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| * Nokius watches http://www.ted.com/talks/taiye_selasi_don_t_ask_where_i_m_from_ask_where_i_m_a_local#t-956241 | 21:56 | |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: well it still sounds interesting | 21:58 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: and useful | 21:59 |
| r0kk3rz | agreed | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: I can see it being used to run Steam for example | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | let the binary games target a stable OS API level & contain them in a secure container | 22:00 |
| r0kk3rz | particularly when it comes to different runtimes | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 22:01 |
| r0kk3rz | ie. game engines | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, they (or Steam/Valve) could do their own runtimes for sure | 22:01 |
| r0kk3rz | and as btrfs subvolumes, they all dedupe | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | or just use "Fedora base 23" for ever | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | um | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | I kinda disregard the btrfs part of that :) | 22:02 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah well, the exact implementation can differ | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | systemd & gnome people seem to like btrfs for some reason and try to use it in various projects | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | as can be seen here | 22:02 |
| r0kk3rz | but the whole idea does seem to center around the fs as abstract operating system though | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | unfortunately real live btrfs is still to bad to be usable | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | well you can do that with thin pool | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | or overlay fs | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | of RPM-os-tree | 22:03 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure a lot of people will get upset, because this will only work with one fs | 22:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | just like systemd | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | eq. stuff that is either already widely used in production or with all probability soon will be | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | unlike btrfs | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | does the xdg app spec require btrfs ? | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | or just the old lennarts idea ? | 22:05 |
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| M4rtinK | "Xdg-app uses OSTree to distribute and manage applications and runtimes. The repo/ in the above tree is the local OSTree repository. Xdg-app creates the active/ directories of applications and runtimes as symlinks to OSTree checkouts (in the same directory). Using OSTree has the advantage that the checkouts are automatically deduped and share diskspace, since OSTree is using hardlinks and content-based addressing. OSTree also | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | makes it easy to roll back to an earlier version, should the need arise. But the definition of the filesystem layout for applications and runtimes and the sandboxing implementation are not tied to OSTree in any way, and it is very possible to distribute runtimes and applications with a different mechanism. " | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: so the actually xdg app implementation seems to be filesystem agnostic | 22:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah good | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | (we come in contact with various btrfs bug when working on the Fedora/RHEL installer, it is really not ready) | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | (even the most recent code, not the stone-age old version used on the Jolla) | 22:08 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah we need stskeeps to pull some voodoo to get the jolla phone onto lvm+ext4 | 22:09 |
| * M4rtinK would prefer lvm+xfs ;-) | 22:10 | |
| M4rtinK | actually any reason why the Jolla kernel does not support XFS ? | 22:11 |
| r0kk3rz | well with lvm being the base, it wouldnt be too hard to have whatever you want on top | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | sure | 22:11 |
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| M4rtinK | another reason to look forward to the Jolla tablet :) | 22:11 |
| r0kk3rz | indeed | 22:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | it will be like the second coming of jesus | 22:14 |
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| tiwake | my mom was asking if I knew of a tablet I could recommend to somebody for a christmas present | 22:14 |
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| tiwake | will jolla be stocking a bunch for christmas shoppers? | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | I might know about one bout it depends on which christmas you mean :) | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | *but | 22:15 |
| tiwake | this coming on, in what, like 2 months? | 22:15 |
| tiwake | on/one | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | soon! (tm) | 22:16 |
| tiwake | yeah.. heh | 22:16 |
| r0kk3rz | coming soon(tm) to a christmas(tm) near you(tm) | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | I actually really hope it comes soon | 22:16 |
| tiwake | I might give up the one I (should be) getting from the kickstarter | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | as at least some TMO people seem to be loosing sanity every day there is no tablet | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | according to some of the threads recently :) | 22:17 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah well, in an instant world, one year is a long time | 22:18 |
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