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| Aciid | Which comes first Tax Returns or Jolla Tablet? | 00:59 |
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| Aciid | okey lets see are you guys in the seasons spirits | 01:03 |
| Aciid | Which comes first Santaclaus or Jolla Tablet? | 01:03 |
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| keithzg | I'm hoping for congruity; if my Jolla Tablet showed up on Christmas Eve that'd be kindof perfect ;) | 02:04 |
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| ShadowJK | oh it's november already | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't realize | 03:41 |
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| Mikaela | Jolla has secret agreement with Santa Claus that he will deliver the tablets | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | Mikaela: only if you believe in him! | 06:54 |
| Mikaela | most of tablets get undelivered then :O | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | and you see the hidden truth we can't say in blog posts.. :p | 06:55 |
| pp_ | see rare exports | 06:55 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps has already been trained? | 06:56 |
| tbr | rare exports in this context is kinda, weird... | 06:56 |
| pp_ | jolla tablets are rare exports :D | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | i should really watch that | 06:57 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: totally, awesome movie | 06:57 |
| pp_ | it's as difficult to get one packaged as it is to get a santa claus trained & exported | 06:57 |
| tbr | and first you need to kill the boss | 06:58 |
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| pp_ | even more the short film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg7xbeiZf5I :-) | 06:59 |
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| phlixi | the twitter account in "accounts" in the jolla, feeds into the "events" view, but nothing else, right? | 09:53 |
| fennekki | mm. | 09:54 |
| fennekki | I wonder if it's possible to access accounts from apps they weren't, well, intended for | 09:54 |
| fennekki | such as using email accounts from something else than the default mail app | 09:54 |
| Helle | phlixi: you can post to that account from things like the camera app | 09:54 |
| phlixi | ah, ok | 09:55 |
| phlixi | thanks | 09:55 |
| phlixi | well, i am using twitter in read only mode, kind of like rss for some stuff... i never actually do there much, thus i probably remove the account, | 09:55 |
| tadzik | hm, I wonder how tricky would it be to put a possibly-anonymous imgur account tehre | 09:55 |
| phlixi | its only cluttering "events" | 09:56 |
| Helle | tadzik: the API is documented | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: waiting for ipfs sharing plugin | 09:56 |
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| tadzik | Stskeeps: ooh | 09:57 |
| tadzik | Helle: oh, is it harbour-allowed? | 09:57 |
| tadzik | I've only seen accounts in warehouse thus far | 09:57 |
| Helle | tadzik: it's documented, but I don't think harbour allowed | 09:58 |
| Helle | tadzik: there is a difference | 09:58 |
| tadzik | yeah, that's why I asked :) | 09:58 |
| Helle | I haven't checked yet myself | 09:58 |
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| ruskie | so how long will my order for the tablet be In Picking | 10:48 |
| ruskie | since did the checkout for igg contributors on the 18th | 10:49 |
| Yaniel | probably not as long as mine will be Unconfirmed | 10:49 |
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| cb400f | ruskie: some people on facebook claimed there's a delay particularly with the 32 gig tablets, dunno what amount of storage you ordered | 11:39 |
| * cb400f has a theory that the chinese manufacturers are delaying things, cuz a random person from Finland said "hello" to Dalai Lama | 11:40 | |
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| tbr | there is a google spreadsheet that looks suspiciously like at least the first micro-batch didn't ship any 64GB models | 11:41 |
| tbr | err 32GB | 11:41 |
| ruskie | 64gb in my case | 11:41 |
| ruskie | do have the lastucase as well so maybe that's the delay | 11:42 |
| ggabriel | i think jolla confirmed there was an issue with the 32gb tablets and they are a priority | 11:42 |
| ggabriel | (in twitter) | 11:42 |
| ggabriel | or by email, can't remember | 11:42 |
| tbr | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qS0DE4oOf7qPYjwUAaL-rjoPcqu6hHQRJOdspQ4_Hgc/edit?usp=sharing | 11:43 |
| tbr | ggabriel: they did? link? | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | i think i recall something like that too but i don't recall where | 11:44 |
| cb400f | I wonder if they're holding up shipping until they have the full batch ready. Don't think I heard of anyone from the second wave receiving anything yet | 11:44 |
| tbr | I don't see that in the twitter feed | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | tbr: someone in tmo got an email from jolla. that's what my brain recalls. it is sadly in a thread with hundreds of posts about philosophy, life and the tablet delay | 11:46 |
| tbr | cb400f: a hand full of people | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | you have to believe that that someone got a genuine email too | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | so it's all hearsay | 11:46 |
| * Stskeeps has tmo blocked on his machine in working hours, to prevent heart attacks | 11:46 | |
| * tbr can say 100% that he did not receive such an email | 11:47 | |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: i vaguely recall a drunken moment reading a post that seemed to have come from care | 11:47 |
| tbr | just goes to show /again/ how much they value their customers and how efficiently they share information, not… | 11:48 |
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| tbr | right now I'd very much prefer my money back, in full | 11:49 |
| tbr | but that's not going to happen | 11:49 |
| cb400f | it's a tricky situation. Maybe it wouldn't help things if they sent out information saying how much the manufacturer sucks | 11:49 |
| cb400f | on a weekly basis | 11:49 |
| tbr | cb400f: that's again probably blanketed by a pile of NDA and political issues | 11:50 |
| cb400f | I assume the bulk of issues are with the manufacturer at this point | 11:50 |
| tbr | I'm not so sure. keep in mind, they are a startup that's FAR from profitable. | 11:50 |
| the_mgt | given enough time of constant delays, even detailed information gets boring and does not help anymore | 11:50 |
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| tbr | cb400f: contract manufacturers are known to withhold shipment if they feel that there is a financial risk. not saying that this is the case here. just saying that it's one of many possibilities. | 11:52 |
| pp_ | paypal dispute time! | 11:55 |
| pp_ | everyone loses | 11:55 |
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| rigo | there are nice ex-nokia factories all over Europe to start over making our own | 11:58 |
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| tadzik | sooo.. I ran fsck.vfat on my sdcard on a jolla, and it said "FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ?" | 12:28 |
| tadzik | does it sound familiar to anyone? | 12:28 |
| tadzik | ....FATs differ? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: O_o | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | file allocation tables | 12:28 |
| tadzik | right, but.. 2 fats? | 12:29 |
| tadzik | it means something like "there's two different sets of inodes for the data you have there?" | 12:29 |
| stephg | tadzik: well there's a backup one isn't there? | 12:30 |
| tadzik | stephg: it seems like that; I don't really know how fat looks inside | 12:31 |
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| tadzik | I guess I'll just recover what I can and format it | 12:33 |
| stephg | tadzik: photorec will get everything | 12:33 |
| pp_ | take copy of image (you can probably ssh it over to somewhere with space) | 12:34 |
| SQUelcher | afaik there is a FAT at the beginning and end of the file system | 12:34 |
| tadzik | yeah, and the memory of looking through that stuff makes me hope that I wasn't actually keeping anything important on that sdcard :) | 12:34 |
| pp_ | and run fsck on that | 12:34 |
| pp_ | gives you a chance of running chkdsk if all else fails | 12:34 |
| tadzik | well, the default camera pics and videos are on main memory, right? | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | tadzik: yes | 12:35 |
| tadzik | . o O ( hello mkfs my old friend ) | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | never use fat again :P | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | altho some sd cards are just crap | 12:36 |
| tadzik | I see that I have a backup of some vacations pictures there, but only one of the backups :) | 12:36 |
| tadzik | ggabriel: I expect that the card itself is faulty, yeah | 12:36 |
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| tadzik | rpi was... "taking care" of it earlier | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to kill sd cards, boards are a great way to do it | 12:37 |
| tadzik | :) | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | i recall killing 7 sd cards with an early beagleboard | 12:38 |
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| Devaux1 | Huhu :) | 14:00 |
| Devaux1 | I wonder where the config-File for Cal/CardDAV is | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | you mean the account? | 14:00 |
| Devaux1 | Yes | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | Devaux1: /home/nemo/.cache/msyncd/sync | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | you get access as root tho | 14:04 |
| Devaux1 | In .cache? | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | aye | 14:04 |
| Devaux1 | ggabriel: Thank you :) | 14:05 |
| Devaux1 | And why .cache? | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | life would be too easy otherwise ;-) in other words: I don't know | 14:05 |
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| Devaux1 | Hmm | 14:07 |
| Devaux1 | But there are no server, account nor folder-settings :( | 14:07 |
| phlixi | if I wanted to have my sd card mounted to /media/sdcard/card instead of /media/sdcard/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx I probably have to manipulate /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh - or is there a more "correct" way? | 14:08 |
| phlixi | unfortunately this gets reversed every few updates (actually not on every update) | 14:08 |
| Devaux1 | Maybe there is a udev-rule | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | Devaux1: that was where it used to be anyway, it may have changed. I think chriadam knows heaps more than me on this one | 14:10 |
| Devaux1 | Then I will wait :) | 14:11 |
| Devaux1 | Thank you :) | 14:11 |
| phlixi | I have no idea what an "udev-rule" could be, I probably just replace all "$MNT/${UUID}" in /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh with "$MNT/card" | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: you may break tracker like that | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | if you ever remove your sd card, or swap it with another one | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | not a major thing, you just rebuild the index and that's it | 14:12 |
| phlixi | i do not intend to remove the card at all | 14:12 |
| phlixi | i havent removed it the last 2 years either | 14:12 |
| phlixi | once it is broken, i guess it is the same as if the mound hadnt been changed | 14:13 |
| phlixi | its broken then anyways | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | i'd probably look at mounting it elsewhere, in addition to /media/sdcad/uuid | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | but then there'd be the tracker issue with duplications | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | so i don't know | 14:13 |
| phlixi | and for now i do not plan to upgrade it (i do not think there are faster cards, and more than 64gb, i do not need^^) | 14:13 |
| * ggabriel embraces uuid's | 14:13 | |
| Devaux1 | phlixi: If it's always the same card with the same UUID, you can make a Symlink | 14:14 |
| phlixi | so far i never had issues with tracker | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: you must be the only one :P | 14:14 |
| phlixi | well, probably i just didnt take notes of it, since all "media" i use, are within gpodder anyways | 14:15 |
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| phlixi | (and those should be on the sd card ^^) | 14:15 |
| phlixi | also i see that there is stuff in /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh to wait for the tracker | 14:16 |
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| phlixi | unfurtunately i am not capable of creating a link :( | 14:30 |
| phlixi | if i try this: [nemo@Jolla ~]$ link /media/sdcard/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx /media/sdcard/card | 14:30 |
| phlixi | i get this: link: cannot create link `/media/sdcard/card' to `/media/sdcard/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx': Invalid cross-device link | 14:30 |
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| Devaux1 | devel-su? | 14:32 |
| Helle | also you need to create a symlink, ln -s | 14:32 |
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| phlixi | ok, i did | 14:38 |
| phlixi | ln -s /media/sdcard/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx /media/sdcard/card | 14:38 |
| phlixi | ...and now it seems to work as expected :-) | 14:39 |
| phlixi | thanks! :-) | 14:39 |
| phlixi | actually without devel-su | 14:39 |
| phlixi | well, maybe i am not so happy with it | 14:41 |
| phlixi | when navigating , i end up in the f*cking /media/sdcard/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx | 14:41 |
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| Helle | phlixi: well, with devel-su you could also do a mount --bind, but you need to do that every time you boot | 14:42 |
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| phlixi | I probably just replace all "$MNT/${UUID}" in /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh with "$MNT/card" | 14:43 |
| phlixi | i need to redo that every second update, thats better than every boot :D | 14:43 |
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| phlixi | (i suffer from those "random rebooots") | 14:43 |
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| newcup | someone suffered from random reboots, turns out a dead original battery was the culprit, a new battery (HTC Desire 310 as originals are hard to find) fixed the issue | 15:27 |
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| tbr | yeah, I've noticed on one of my phones that the battery seems to have degraded, which leads to spontaneous shutdowns (I've cleaned the terminals, obviously) | 15:29 |
| the_mgt | I combined cleaning the terminals with putting a piece of paper below and behind the battery | 15:34 |
| the_mgt | that did it for me | 15:34 |
| * kimmoli lubricates | 15:34 | |
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| phlixi | just stumbled upon http://www.amazon.de/dp/B015F9UZRS/ says "Passend für: HTC Desire 310, D310N. Jolla Phone (JP-1301)." which means "fits for Jolla" :-) | 15:44 |
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| tadzik | :o | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | sooo, if your jolla breaks then amazon pays the bill? | 15:47 |
| ggabriel | or it doesn't work that way in germany? | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | (very cheap though...) | 15:48 |
| the_mgt | in germany, we believe in the concepts of enlightenment, sapere aude, etc | 15:49 |
| the_mgt | if you do something utterly stupid and your device breaks, we dont call the cops or cry for a judge | 15:50 |
| the_mgt | and while "buying a 3rd party battery" is not utterly stupid, amazon will likely shrug it off | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | well, but if you buy teh battery, fit it in your jolla as per the product description, and the jolla breaks because the battery is faulty or doesn't really fit the jolla, can you call the cops? | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | actually, this product looks more like marketplace | 15:51 |
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| the_mgt | ggabriel: you could try, but I doubt that you will win anything | 15:54 |
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| ggabriel | yup, i guess it's a long shot | 15:54 |
| phlixi | i had a battery from the same brand as replacement in my n900 | 15:55 |
| phlixi | if you buy the battery from amazon (or marketplace, no differnece in law) and the battery destroys your jolla, easiest thing probably is to just buy a new jolla | 15:56 |
| phlixi | i am sure the battery provider will limit refunds to the price o the battery, thus it does not make sense to invest anything in fighting with the merchant | 15:57 |
| phlixi | nad warranty for the jolla is gone anyway (if you are one of "the first one"s) :-) | 15:58 |
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| caitlinb | what’s the battery fear? i’ve missed all the handwave, why won’t any old 310 batter fit the jolla? | 16:17 |
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| caitlinb | http://www.amazon.co.uk/HTC-DESIRE-ORIGINAL-BATTERY-MODEL/dp/B00WN6SNV2/ | 16:18 |
| tbr | caitlinb: it's the irrational fear of people who don't know the faintest thing about electronics | 16:20 |
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| * tbr looks at his nexus4 that happily works with an old nokia BL-4D transplanted into its guts | 16:20 | |
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| caitlinb | that simple? | 16:24 |
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| caitlinb | the only battery that’s actually gone wonky on me was the genuine nokia one that came with an n95 iirc | 16:24 |
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| tbr | caitlinb: I removed the original cell, salvaged its protection circuitry and connector. Ripped the connector and protection circuit of a BL-4D. Smoldered both things together, plugged it in, works. | 16:25 |
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| tbr | ...off a BL-4D | 16:26 |
| caitlinb | seems legit | 16:26 |
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| caitlinb | it’s just some chemistry, logic and terminals | 16:26 |
| tbr | it helps to have a general understanding of things, a multimeter and a soldering-iron | 16:27 |
| the_mgt | I guess there is not so much fear by the users, but fear of Jolla oy to state "yes, you can use that htc battery" | 16:27 |
| the_mgt | if they state that, they might be liable if it explodes in your pocket or kills your jolla | 16:27 |
| tbr | yeah, jolla won't ever state that publicly | 16:28 |
| tbr | just as they won't ever publicly admit that the oxidation problem between battery and phone is a manufacturing defect | 16:29 |
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| tbr | probably coming from somewhere down the chain, their ODM or one of its suppliers | 16:29 |
| the_mgt | personally, I prefer not to buy the cheapest battery. AA and AAA cells from the cheapest makers have died on me too often. or didn't hold their load long enough | 16:30 |
| the_mgt | I do not believe in the oxidation problem, that sounds like an internet myth to me. I'd like to see some pictures, preferably some proof with measurement of resistance or whatnot | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | the htc replacement battery doesn't have temperature measurement afaik | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | which, since i may want to have more children, is enough for me not to touch it | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | or was that one of the others? | 16:32 |
| the_mgt | this sounds like another myth to me. why would a large company like htc not include that while a small company on a budget like jolla would include one? | 16:32 |
| the_mgt | as if htc had an interest in frying your testes | 16:33 |
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| Stskeeps | the_mgt: well, somebody took apart one of them i think | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | may not have been the htc one | 16:33 |
| tbr | the_mgt: it's not a myth, we showed several times that while the urban myth of padding up the battery didn't work, cleaning the contact surfaces did work every time. As for visual proof, you'd need to get an affected phone/battery and put them under an electron microscope or such | 16:33 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i don't think it's a myth either for same reason | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 16:34 |
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| the_mgt | tbr: what's the theory behind why it oxydates? wrong mixture of metals used on battery and connectors? some liquids condensating on the contacts? | 16:36 |
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| tbr | the_mgt: there are probably several possibilities, most likely it's that the alloys on both sides are slightly different, and maybe with some ambient moisture also in the mix, start to build up oxides | 16:40 |
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| tbr | why the padding thing seems to help sometimes is because people need to reinsert the battery several times and adjust things. this provides slight abrasive cleaning of both surfaces | 16:41 |
| the_mgt | that's why I call the whole process a myth | 16:41 |
| tbr | so the simplest quick fix would be to reinsert and wiggle the battery 20 times | 16:41 |
| tbr | *shrug* if you have a better theory, come forward | 16:42 |
| the_mgt | when my phone first had power/rebooting issues, it usually was enough to remove the battery for a short while. like with rebooting a dsl modem/router, take off the plug until all capacitors are fully unloaded | 16:43 |
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| tbr | I didn't say that this was the _only_ reason for such problems. | 16:43 |
| the_mgt | it still became more annoying, so eventually I put a paper under the battery | 16:44 |
| tbr | ISTR that there was some PMIC related problem too | 16:44 |
| the_mgt | and voila the problem was solved. until recently | 16:44 |
| the_mgt | what never worked out for me was cleaning the contacts | 16:44 |
| tbr | well, how did you clean them? | 16:45 |
| the_mgt | window cleaner or gasoline or ethanol | 16:45 |
| the_mgt | makes no difference | 16:45 |
| the_mgt | "white spirit" is the translation | 16:46 |
| tbr | I do not think that those are very effective, if at all at removing a metal oxide layer | 16:46 |
| the_mgt | what would you recommend? | 16:47 |
| tbr | there are professional oxide remover fluids, but I personally just gently move a metal object over the surfaces of both sides | 16:48 |
| tbr | slight scratches are ok and expected | 16:48 |
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| tbr | I know kimmoli got himself some of that fluid as he also does a lot of electronics work and it worked very well for him | 16:49 |
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| the_mgt | like on the old potentiometers :) | 16:50 |
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| tbr | yes, that sort of fluid would likely work | 16:52 |
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| Stskeepz | moo bobsummerwill | 17:23 |
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| M-bobsummerwill | Stskeepz - Greetings! Trying out http://vector.im and Matrix Console on Android right now. Been starting to lurk in IRC for the last week or so. Believe it or not, I've never really used IRC until starting to get involved with Sailfish. | 17:30 |
| Stskeepz | hmm, why am i stskeepz.. :) | 17:30 |
| Stskeepz | bbr | 17:30 |
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| M-bobsummerwill | I didn't come from that IRC world. | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | and good ;) | 17:31 |
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| noume | Hai! | 20:58 |
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| Mikaela | hau | 20:59 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | hmm, I got the 2.0 update twice? | 21:20 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | should i do it? | 21:21 |
| r0kk3rz | do it! | 21:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | or not | 21:23 |
| r0kk3rz | whatever really, its up to you | 21:23 |
| raa700_ | i double dare you to do it | 21:23 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | very funny | 21:26 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | maybe it was only partial, maybe i git enospace on btrfs | 21:27 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | maybe most btrfs blocks are allocated, it shouldn't hurt to do a balance, right? | 21:29 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | cool, the balance freed up sone blocks. | 21:33 |
| Ezko | i just got a 3MB update a couple of days ago | 21:33 |
| Ezko | or yesterday | 21:34 |
| Ezko | recently anyway | 21:34 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | me too | 21:34 |
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| eugenio | sure it wasn't 1.1.9.30? | 21:34 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | but after that was done, i got the 2.0 | 21:34 |
| Ezko | wot | 21:35 |
| Ezko | i haven't gotten one after that | 21:35 |
| Ezko | after 1.1.9.30 i mean | 21:35 |
| eugenio | recheck :) | 21:35 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | and now that i did that 250MB | 21:35 |
| Ezko | nope | 21:35 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | i get another one for 2.0.0.10 | 21:35 |
| eugenio | that's strange | 21:36 |
| Ezko | i don't have the dev update things selected | 21:36 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | eugenio: maybe i had enospace issues on btrfs, since most blocks are allocated, ans i assume making backup needs more metadata | 21:37 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | i have no dev updates either | 21:37 |
| Ezko | hmm | 21:37 |
| eugenio | 2.0.0.10 is now available for everyone, you should get the update notification | 21:37 |
| Ezko | well whatever | 21:37 |
| eugenio | AL13N_jolla_, hm I would try to update again | 21:38 |
| Ezko | ah searched for updates and got it | 21:38 |
| eugenio | :D | 21:38 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | eugenio: I'll just do that one twice then couldn't hurt | 21:38 |
| eugenio | good luck :) | 21:38 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | since the balance freed up blocks, should work | 21:39 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | still downloading, though | 21:40 |
| Ezko | downloading the update now | 21:40 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | now that 1.0 | 21:42 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | now that 2.0 is out, I'm hoping for speedy delivery of invitation for tablet. | 21:43 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | I assume the new tablets ship with 2.0? | 21:44 |
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| eugenio | it may be, but I don't think that the not availability of 2.0.0 was the thing that prevented the tablet (invitation) delivery :P | 21:46 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | probably not... | 21:49 |
| Ezko | time to install | 21:50 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | at least I'm pretty sure I'll get it, unlike some other kickstarted projects. | 21:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | AL13N_jolla_: yeah that wasnt holding up the tablet, its all on the manufacturing side | 21:54 |
| r0kk3rz | afaik tablets will arrive with 1.1.9.28 installed | 21:55 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | ok | 21:55 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | well, i knew I wasn't going to be the first one. | 21:56 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | i paid 10$ extra | 21:56 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | still it's a 64G upgrade, so. .. | 21:57 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | beyazi: hello | 21:58 |
| beyazi | hello | 21:58 |
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