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| corvinux | Hi, Sailers | 08:12 |
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| chem|st | o/ | 08:22 |
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| citylight2 | how to tell which frequency I use to connect to 4G? | 09:48 |
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| citylight2 | so is everyone happy with the 2.0 update? | 10:47 |
| Yaniel | the lockscreen fade in could still be much faster | 10:48 |
| Yaniel | other than that it's been quite nice | 10:48 |
| Yaniel | although I still kind of miss the cover swipe actions | 10:48 |
| Yaniel | no that much anymore now that we have media controls on the lockscreen but still | 10:49 |
| coderus | citylight2: everyone can't be happy at the same time just because they are different peoples and not a clones | 10:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | citylight2: you might be able to interrogate ofono over dbus for 4g freq | 10:58 |
| locusf | or ofono-tests package | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm, does ofono do mobile data? looking at this it seems to only do telephony stuff | 11:00 |
| tbr | ofono manages the RIL | 11:01 |
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| locusf | yup | 11:01 |
| locusf | connman takes care of doing networking | 11:01 |
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| sziszi | shadow of mordor: 42G... the flying fuck?! | 12:08 |
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| sziszi | downloading @25MBps and there is crypto on my disk: CPUtemp 100°C | 12:10 |
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| tadzik | :D | 12:10 |
| locusf | hahahah | 12:10 |
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| sziszi | not funny when your laptop melting :D | 12:13 |
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| Victor | hi | 12:14 |
| phlixi | that sounds strange to me, you eather must have asuper slow cpu or a super fast ssd | 12:15 |
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| phlixi | actually, not a super fast ssd, as you are downlading only with 25mb/s | 12:16 |
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| sziszi | phlixi: SSD is around ~100MBps | 12:16 |
| sziszi | phlixi: 25 MB(!)/s | 12:17 |
| phlixi | yes, but thats nothing for the cpu to crypt | 12:17 |
| sziszi | I know | 12:17 |
| phlixi | 486? | 12:17 |
| sziszi | according to the cryptsetup benchmark the max is around 500MBps encode/decode | 12:17 |
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| sziszi | mobile i7 with 4 cores | 12:18 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds like you need an unencrypted partition for non-sensitive stuff | 12:18 |
| phlixi | if the benchmark was on your machine, cpu wshould be at 5% | 12:18 |
| Victor | I miseed the beginning of the conversation, but a few explanations might be: | 12:19 |
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| Victor | userland vs kernel land crypto are not configured the same, therefore it can be because the algorithms you're using and/or the kernel modules for accelerating crypto with HW are not working | 12:19 |
| phlixi | also my experience with crypted drives is, that it does not have effects on performance | 12:19 |
| sziszi | Victor: im not using aes | 12:20 |
| Victor | sziszi: what's your current setup? (maybe you described it before, but I just joined the channel) | 12:20 |
| phlixi | crypto (or compression) usually is multiple times faster than storage... thats the reason why mac os even compressses ram, since its faster to compress the ram and write less to ram, then write without compression | 12:21 |
| Victor | that's not generally true. It highly depends on the processor, the storage and of course, the algorithms | 12:21 |
| sziszi | if nsa approved it's a big no for me. besides: if there is a hw accerleration for it there might be a device which can decrypt/bruteforce it faster than non hwacc-ed methods | 12:21 |
| Victor | I see | 12:22 |
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| phlixi | yes, of ycourse, if you use a 486 and a super fast ssd, then your cpu gets the bottleneck... but in your case, you only download at 25mb/s | 12:22 |
| Victor | if your threat model includes the NSA you're going to have a fun time configuring your setup :) | 12:22 |
| sziszi | Victor: my cpu isn't even capable to do that | 12:23 |
| phlixi | that would include mostly better passwords, not more cpu load for encrypting | 12:23 |
| phlixi | (and more "op sec") | 12:24 |
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| sziszi | phlixi: im aware of that | 12:24 |
| r0kk3rz | sziszi: but you're still using an i7, ie intel | 12:24 |
| sziszi | but it was a bit weird for me that a simple download eat up almost all cpu | 12:25 |
| phlixi | i was just noting that the two facts you posted (25mb/s download and 100% cpu load) have nothing to do with each other... | 12:25 |
| phlixi | ...should have nothing to do with each other... of course, something could be broken | 12:25 |
| phlixi | and that is wht i was telling you, it shoild not have something to do with each other | 12:26 |
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| sziszi | now, with throttling is pretty good | 12:26 |
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| phlixi | you can do the math, if you do a benchmark and your cpu does 500mb/s, then your download should do 5% cpu load | 12:27 |
| sziszi | i know | 12:27 |
| sziszi | but it was weird | 12:27 |
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| phlixi | so probably something else causes the cpu load... | 12:29 |
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| schmittlauch | Ohai | 13:45 |
| schmittlauch | I can't connect to my phone via usb networking in developer mode (I want to SSH to it over USB) | 13:46 |
| schmittlauch | Are there any services I have to start? | 13:47 |
| tbr | you have to enable developer mode and put the device in the appropriate USB mode | 13:47 |
| tbr | if your device is in MTP mode by default, then it won't work | 13:47 |
| schmittlauch | tbr This is what I've done. Nevertheless it doesn't work. | 13:48 |
| tbr | be more specific | 13:48 |
| tbr | "doesn't work" is useless | 13:48 |
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| schmittlauch | USB -> developer mode selected in po-up. Nevertheless it doesn't show up on my laptop in `ip link` | 13:49 |
| tbr | and your dmesg says what? (pastebin!) | 13:49 |
| schmittlauch | I know that it used to work a while ago | 13:50 |
| schmittlauch | dmesg of laptop or phone? | 13:50 |
| tbr | laptop | 13:50 |
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| schmittlauch | tbr: https://gist.github.com/schmittlauch/8990d4004b6ca453dda7 | 13:51 |
| schmittlauch | I guess that I may have ruined something on the phone | 13:52 |
| tbr | if that is the complete dmesg, then the laptop doesn't detect a network interface. Are you running a custom kernel or a standard distro kernel? | 13:53 |
| schmittlauch | custom kernel, but I should have everything necessary for usb networking | 13:54 |
| tbr | [Sun Oct 25 13:54:48 2015] rndis_host 8-2:1.0 usb0: register 'rndis_host' at usb-0000:00:1d.7-2, RNDIS device, 8e:4b:d8:d3:2b:fe | 13:55 |
| tbr | that's what I get | 13:55 |
| tbr | my bets are your kernel is missing something | 13:55 |
| schmittlauch | could be possible, too. Or for some reason the jolla doesn't create an interface? | 13:56 |
| schmittlauch | I'll check my kernel config, thanks | 13:56 |
| tbr | you can ofc run that ip command on the jolla side too in fingerterm | 13:56 |
| tbr | also you could just connect it over wifi to your sdk | 13:57 |
| the_mgt | does ssh work via wifi? | 13:57 |
| the_mgt | also, rndis driver is something i'd check | 13:58 |
| tbr | yes, enabling developer mode opens SSH on _all_ interfaces | 13:58 |
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| schmittlauch | do I need USB modem support in my kernel? | 14:01 |
| coderus | RNDIS | 14:02 |
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| schmittlauch | OK, RNDIS wasn't enabled. Something else I need? | 14:06 |
| Yaniel | usbnet | 14:06 |
| Yaniel | I guess that's the RNDIS module | 14:07 |
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| schmittlauch | Compiling... let's see whether that helps | 14:15 |
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| Yaniel | umm... do the lockscreen media controls act strange for anyone else? | 14:27 |
| Yaniel | they are not visible on glance screen | 14:27 |
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| Yaniel | and when I doubletap the screen they immediately appear, then disappear and fade in normally after a while | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | glance is vestigal code atm | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | so it may not be tested with it | 14:28 |
| Yaniel | I mean the blinking | 14:29 |
| Yaniel | that is clearly not intended behaviour | 14:29 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: no blinks for me | 14:30 |
| coderus | can't reproduce | 14:30 |
| coderus | ah, see | 14:30 |
| coderus | i see* | 14:30 |
| coderus | fill bug to tc and prey :) | 14:31 |
| coderus | tjc* | 14:31 |
| Yaniel | prey on sailors | 14:31 |
| coderus | yeah | 14:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: yeah ive noticed that as well | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | doesnt happen every time | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | but sometimes | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | same with clock | 14:36 |
| coderus | happens every time if you doubletap when glance is active | 14:37 |
| Yaniel | ...and the doubletap is not ignored completely | 14:37 |
| coderus | imho doubletapping when glannce is active ideally should not produce any animation and instantly show ockscreen | 14:37 |
| coderus | l* | 14:37 |
| Yaniel | it could well fade in IMHO | 14:37 |
| coderus | no | 14:38 |
| Yaniel | but it should be considered active immediately | 14:38 |
| coderus | items already shown | 14:38 |
| coderus | glance is just alternate state of same objects | 14:38 |
| coderus | do not need to hide objects, then fade them back with changed state | 14:38 |
| Yaniel | yeah, glance as lockscreen minux bg image | 14:38 |
| Yaniel | and dimmed colors | 14:38 |
| Yaniel | it could just fade in the bg and fade object colors from ambience color to white | 14:39 |
| Yaniel | while instantly enabling input | 14:39 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe thats what it is, sometimes i dont double tap and use the button instead | 14:39 |
| coderus | well yes thats acceptable solution :) | 14:39 |
| Yaniel | just a short fade, mind you (maybe 0.5s) | 14:39 |
| Yaniel | this might warrant a separate issue | 14:41 |
| Yaniel | https://together.jolla.com/question/116671/bug-saimaa-lock-screen-media-controls-flashing/ | 14:41 |
| Yaniel | I'll write up my design vision for the glance screen/lockscreen later | 14:42 |
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| coderus | hope it will be fixed is silafishos 3.0 :) | 14:45 |
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| schmittlauch | I must've forgotten some kernel module for USB networking :/ | 15:00 |
| schmittlauch | The problem seems to be my laptop's kernel, as the ndis0 network interface on Jolla is up | 15:01 |
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| schmittlauch | Apparently ndis and usbnet weren't enough to make USB networking work | 15:30 |
| fennekki | rndis had its own module didn't it | 15:32 |
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| schmittlauch | rndis is compiled as a module | 15:34 |
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| Yaniel | https://together.jolla.com/question/116685/suggested-glancelockscreen-behaviour/ | 16:18 |
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| Yaniel | oh, the new clock app cover is nice | 19:32 |
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| Yaniel | with alarms and time left on timers shown | 19:33 |
| Yaniel | on the clock face | 19:33 |
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| MoritzJT | I wish those were shown on the lockscreen too! | 19:34 |
| MoritzJT | I wouldn't regard that as a privacy issue. Mostly strangers won't even guess what they mean :P | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | indeed | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | well, even if they did, a time interval without context is hardly an issue | 19:35 |
| MoritzJT | Context could've been gained prior to this. *paranoid* :P | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | anyway it could be *configurable* | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | so if it really is an issue you can simply not show them | 19:35 |
| MoritzJT | What do you folks think of the newly introduced orientation lock toggle? | 19:36 |
| MoritzJT | Yeah that is the best way to go ofc. Choice. | 19:36 |
| MoritzJT | But I'd rather have it there than not. | 19:36 |
| Yaniel | what do you mean orientation lock | 19:36 |
| Yaniel | well that is you | 19:36 |
| MoritzJT | Indeed, that's me ;-) Well I mean the orientation lock toggle you can add to the events screen top | 19:37 |
| MoritzJT | Go to settings > events > choose switches / links / favourites > orientation lock | 19:38 |
| Yaniel | don't care | 19:38 |
| Yaniel | I have orientation on auto and when I really want to keep it (basically never for a long time) I just hold my finger on the screen while rotating | 19:38 |
| MoritzJT | Hmm that's a good way if you don't have a lot of acceleration around you | 19:39 |
| MoritzJT | Have you unlocked your orientation states to free rotation? | 19:40 |
| Yaniel | I haven't applied any patches if that is what you mean | 19:41 |
| Tegu | sometimes it's just easier to lock it even though the holding approach exists as well | 19:41 |
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| MoritzJT | Exactly. Now there's an annoying issue with that. | 19:43 |
| MoritzJT | I put it up on TJC. It locks orientation states and their reverse state in free rotation. | 19:43 |
| MoritzJT | While on the phone this is disabled by default, on the tablet I think free rotation is enabled by default | 19:43 |
| MoritzJT | The orientation lock does not lock an orientation, it locks two! | 19:44 |
| MoritzJT | https://together.jolla.com/question/58556/feature-request-orientation-lock-as-quick-toggle-option/?answer=116698#post-id-116698 | 19:44 |
| MoritzJT | I hope it gets a fix | 19:44 |
| MoritzJT | and Alien Dalvik follows the orientation settings again. | 19:44 |
| Yaniel | ehh | 19:44 |
| MoritzJT | It used to prior to 2.0.0.10 | 19:44 |
| Yaniel | that's a bug IMHO | 19:44 |
| MoritzJT | I agree. | 19:44 |
| Tegu | on phone it appears to lock it to one | 19:45 |
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| MoritzJT | I wanted the choice to have free rotation on the phone | 19:45 |
| MoritzJT | not by default but by choice | 19:45 |
| MoritzJT | and a supported one please | 19:45 |
| MoritzJT | This is again another patch because Jolla decided for us it'd be better not to have it on the phone | 19:45 |
| MoritzJT | Because stupid people screw things up and talk into their speakers in reverse portrait | 19:46 |
| Tegu | too bad you cannot choose which orientation it is on phone | 19:46 |
| MoritzJT | I'd say let the stupid stay silent and don't protect them | 19:46 |
| MoritzJT | but again that's jjust me | 19:46 |
| locusf | glacier allows all rotations | 19:47 |
| Tegu | do you use it? | 19:47 |
| locusf | I made it but it sucks so bad that I don't use it :p | 19:47 |
| Lieke_ | haha | 19:48 |
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| Tegu | :P | 19:48 |
| locusf | i mean the homescreen | 19:49 |
| locusf | glacier components are brilliant | 19:49 |
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| MoritzJT | I haven't checked out glacier in a loooong time! | 19:52 |
| MoritzJT | Has there been a lot of progress? | 19:52 |
| locusf | not since spring :p | 19:56 |
| locusf | asteroidos forks glacier for smartwatches | 19:56 |
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| MoritzJT | I will try to take a peek next week | 19:58 |
| MoritzJT | is there a good way to demo the components? | 19:58 |
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| locusf | theres the gallery | 20:00 |
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| MoritzJT | Thanks, will give it a shot! | 20:05 |
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| MoritzJT | Bye folks | 20:05 |
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| txtptc_ | My jolla shutdown during backup creation, with flashing red led | 20:11 |
| txtptc_ | Then no life whatsoever, except if I flick the battery out when it's in the charger, then a yellow led for a few seconds | 20:11 |
| txtptc_ | Is the bootloader on the flash memory too? This phone didn't complete btrfs balance in 4 days either so maybe it's broken | 20:15 |
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| txtptc_ | The fuck it just magically became a QHSUSB_DLOAD | 20:31 |
| txtptc_ | device | 20:32 |
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| txtptc_ | : | now it vibrates when I remove the battery | 20:44 |
| txtptc_ | or maybe it was my fingers and a change in my rooms humidity | 20:45 |
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| txtptc_ | "Qualcomm USB modem converter now attached to ttyUSB0 | 20:47 |
| txtptc_ | Like, could I possibly dump the flash from here? | 20:47 |
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| txtptc_ | Also holding power button powers it off from whatever state that QHSUSB_DLOAD state is | 21:07 |
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| coderus | txtptc_: contact Care is the only idea | 21:45 |
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| txtptc_ | yea, did already. I just wonder if I have any chance of getting some of my data back | 21:59 |
| txtptc_ | Good feature, blowing up during backup creation ,_, | 21:59 |
| txtptc_ | Oh well | 21:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | txtptc_: if you cant boot recovery, then getting data back sounds unlikely | 22:00 |
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| txtptc_ | yeah ,_, | 22:13 |
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