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| SHIHUA | hello | 00:16 |
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| tiwake | to anyone who likes space games... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/309114309/infinity-battlescape | 00:44 |
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| Yaniel | who doesn't | 06:08 |
| Hartzi | looks nice | 06:18 |
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| Tomo | yeah, seems like a nice project | 06:22 |
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| Acce | cool, wish they reach their stretch goals.. Even more cool if they will have ships operated by multiple persons in a team | 07:00 |
| Sail0r | ? | 07:04 |
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| Armadillo | Sail0r https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/309114309/infinity-battlescape | 07:22 |
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| Fusl | is someone aware if 1.1.9.28 breaks android support completely when trying to delete an android app? | 07:52 |
| Fusl | i had several android apps installed, tried to delete one (by long pressing on the icon and clicking the X), about half a minute later all other icons disappeared and dalvik service doesn't want to start anymore | 07:52 |
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| Fusl | Android™ Support*, Android™ App*, Android™ Apps* | 07:54 |
| SHIHUA | reboot your service. | 07:54 |
| Fusl | i did, several times now | 07:54 |
| SHIHUA | or,try more | 07:54 |
| SHIHUA | use the utilities | 07:55 |
| Fusl | System > Android™ Support | 07:56 |
| Fusl | that's where i am | 07:56 |
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| Fusl | it's stopped, clicking Start doesn't do anything and returns to stopped state again | 07:56 |
| stephg | Fusl: that shouldn't happen | 07:57 |
| SHIHUA | try to reboot phone agains. | 07:57 |
| stephg | do you have developermode enabled? | 07:57 |
| Fusl | stephg: i do | 07:58 |
| Fusl | SHIHUA: i rebooted once again now | 07:58 |
| Fusl | maybe 2 times was not enough already | 07:58 |
| stephg | I would stop and start it via the terminal, and check the journal | 07:58 |
| stephg | if it's failing to start it'll say why in the logs | 07:58 |
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| SHIHUA | if it's not work.you can uninstall divik. and install it again | 07:59 |
| SHIHUA | Fusl: uninstall divik. | 07:59 |
| Fusl | stephg: journalctl -f, right? | 08:00 |
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| Fusl | https://scr.meo.ws/paste/2015-10-22-10-01-18-XvPyLmj1.txt | 08:01 |
| Fusl | that#s the log output of journalctl -f when trying to start it | 08:01 |
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| SHIHUA | i think just uninstall divik and install it again. | 08:08 |
| Fusl | SHIHUA: how? | 08:09 |
| SHIHUA | Fusl: in app store. uninstall dilvik | 08:10 |
| stephg | Fusl: -af yeah | 08:13 |
| stephg | sorry got to go to work bbl | 08:13 |
| SHIHUA | it's esay to do through store. | 08:14 |
| SHIHUA | if you can't do it in terminal. | 08:15 |
| Fusl | SHIHUA: nope, still not working | 08:17 |
| Fusl | removed, rebooted, installed | 08:17 |
| lainwir3d | o/ | 08:20 |
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| SHIHUA | Fusl: er,sorry.I don't know how to do. | 08:21 |
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| SHIHUA | I'm not good at Linux. | 08:22 |
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| the_mgt | lainwir3d: is there a regular java vm on the tablet? or is it possible to install one? | 08:45 |
| lainwir3d | Don't know | 08:45 |
| lainwir3d | I'll check | 08:45 |
| the_mgt | merde | 08:45 |
| the_mgt | ah, merci | 08:45 |
| lainwir3d | But I guess it should be the same as on the phone | 08:46 |
| lainwir3d | is there one on the phone ? | 08:46 |
| lainwir3d | de rien :P | 08:46 |
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| lainwir3d | the_mgt: doesn't look like it. pkcon search name java doesn't return anything | 08:49 |
| lainwir3d | neither jvm / jre | 08:49 |
| the_mgt | hm, that's sad | 08:49 |
| the_mgt | have you tried what happens if you install and run a "regular" linux gui app? | 08:50 |
| the_mgt | I wonder if everything has to be appified in order to be usable | 08:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | the_mgt, regular java wants a X11 Display | 08:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | so you need to provide it | 08:50 |
| flux | xwayland should be reasonable to run on jolla? | 08:51 |
| the_mgt | hurray for portability | 08:51 |
| dr_gogeta86 | runs but not input | 08:51 |
| flux | why not input? | 08:51 |
| dr_gogeta86 | https://together.jolla.com/question/36877/how-do-you-run-an-x-application-remotely-or-locally/ | 08:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | giucam, can you explain us why ? | 08:52 |
| flux | in addition to xwayland surely there are wayland-based vnc clients, so you could run Xvnc and a vnc client for it.. :-) | 08:52 |
| giucam | dr_gogeta86: why what? | 08:53 |
| dr_gogeta86 | even rdp clients | 08:53 |
| dr_gogeta86 | giucam, i've run a wayland application | 08:53 |
| dr_gogeta86 | display goes fine but not input at all | 08:53 |
| lainwir3d | the_mgt: well, as long as "regular" apps don't support wayland I guess running them will be quite troublesome | 08:53 |
| the_mgt | so the benefit of a x86 system is circumvented by having the ugly stepsister of a display manager? | 08:54 |
| giucam | dr_gogeta86: i don't know, check the log with WAYLAND_DEBUG=1 | 08:54 |
| lainwir3d | I don't think x86 has anything to do here. Most open source apps would probably run fine is good circonstances | 08:55 |
| stephg | the_mgt: well depends which one you think is the ugly one. I know which one I'd prefer going forward | 08:55 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 08:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | giucam, i've just compiled freerdp wayland client | 08:56 |
| lainwir3d | (I meant, would probably run fine with arm) | 08:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | got display working but no imput at all | 08:56 |
| flux | maybe freerdp doesn't support touch events? | 08:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | apart you need to modify the client or wrap it to enter characters via mallit | 08:57 |
| giucam | dr_gogeta86: i still don't know. you need to look at the protocol messages | 08:57 |
| giucam | if touch events are being sent | 08:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | https://github.com/FreeRDP/FreeRDP/tree/master/client/Wayland | 08:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | giucam, i'm a total noob in wayland ... | 08:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've just tried to compile it | 08:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and wasn't a pice of cake | 08:58 |
| lainwir3d | cake... | 08:58 |
| lainwir3d | good job dr_gogeta86, now I'm hungry | 08:58 |
| the_mgt | lainwir3d: well, the benefit of having x86 would be, that some larger programms might run without bigger modifications. but if you have to work around x issues... | 08:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | X must die | 08:59 |
| lainwir3d | really large programs maybe, but well, yeah. X... | 08:59 |
| lainwir3d | Honestly, I'm really happy Sailfish went with wayland | 08:59 |
| the_mgt | yeah, also initV and then we nuke the kernel | 08:59 |
| tbr | has anyone heard of further tax payment notifications being sent? | 08:59 |
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| lainwir3d | And nowadays, Qt supports wayland, GTK3 support waylands I think | 09:00 |
| lainwir3d | and others toolkit just needs to die too | 09:00 |
| lainwir3d | (or improve) | 09:00 |
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| Fusl | :3 | 09:37 |
| Tofe | lainwir3d: but then, how would I play xbill ? | 09:38 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 09:40 |
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| the_mgt | currently I only get notifications for 3 out of 6 email accounts. the other 3 are all the same domain/mailserver and the emails get fetched, but no notification shows up. any clues on how to fix that? | 10:12 |
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| jubo2 | http://www.industrytap.com/forget-touchscreens-control-gadgets-using-hand-gestures/31959 | 10:29 |
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| jubo2 | prediction: 3D gesture will be the norm way to control audio and maybe some other things | 10:29 |
| jubo2 | not replacing touch gesture and touchpad but compliment | 10:30 |
| jubo2 | I suggest you get on the train as an early adopter | 10:30 |
| ggabriel | sounds like what sammy does with their "smart" tv's but with a different sensor | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | or meego's airui, again different sensor | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | shame that airui didn't take off | 10:37 |
| tbr | ITYM harmattan not meego | 10:38 |
| jubo2 | I know I previously suggested here doing it with 2x webcams | 10:43 |
| jubo2 | but radar is much better | 10:43 |
| jubo2 | less sploits then with 2 cameras | 10:44 |
| jubo2 | and with radar it will strain the CPU and battery much less | 10:44 |
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| jubo2 | ggabriel: the hand gesture sensor will likely be built onto the top side of the remote control | 10:49 |
| jubo2 | for TV and stereo | 10:50 |
| jubo2 | not into the TV | 10:50 |
| jubo2 | 10 yrs from now people won't belive we used to control audio playback with anything else than hand gestures | 10:50 |
| jubo2 | but a child could see this | 10:51 |
| ggabriel | tbr: i sit down corrected ;) | 10:51 |
| jubo2 | and in the land of the engineer one doesn't get paid to see stuff that a child could see | 10:51 |
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| jonwil | I recon Nintendo was about 2 decades too early with the Power Glove | 11:40 |
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| the_mgt | so you are having private time with your lady in front of the tv set/hifi set and suddenly the music switches from ambient to death metall, because a hand gesture was misinterpreted... | 11:46 |
| the_mgt | I can clearly see why I would want to prefer that over a button/touch input | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | hahahahaha | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | "no, no, NO, don't go there in the browser history" | 11:47 |
| taaem | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2015/10/news-sailfish-india-launch-set-to-2016.html | 11:48 |
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| the_mgt | I guess the same is true for voice control | 11:48 |
| taaem | interesting | 11:48 |
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| the_mgt | I wonder why they never release such infos prior or in time to the userbase | 11:50 |
| eugenio | Sailfish Store? That seems a rebranded Android app store... | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | remember the audience there | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | that's a BRICS meeting of communication ministers. | 11:50 |
| the_mgt | "people powered" and all, it is still "we do business behind closed doors, you will eventually find out and left with more question than before. now shut up and go away" | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | to present an idea | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | the_mgt: you'd be amazed by the number of NDAs in this business, not that it's an excuse | 11:51 |
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| the_mgt | either there is an NDA or you give a press conference | 11:51 |
| taaem | Stskeeps: but there weren't any official news since MWC | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | nda's are a perfectly valid excuse :P | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | not to mention that when you're doing business for a customer, the factual products are well, marketed and announced by customer | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, that's not really the point of those slides | 11:52 |
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| the_mgt | Stskeeps: the problem is this "we love you, give us your money, we will deliver a tablet to you in six month" & people powered rethorics mixed with business decisions behind closed doors whihc are not communicated via proper channels to the people who powered the company with their money. and who see nothing but sorry excuses | 11:55 |
| ggabriel | wow, well, I don't subscribe to the_mgt's opinion fwiw | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | the_mgt: well, i'd personally love a world where we could all speak freely about everything | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | closed doors isn't such a bad thing | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | that's just not the mobile world today. go to a chinese ODM and have them allow you to say that they fucked up - never going to happen | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | loss of face, etc | 11:56 |
| the_mgt | marc left, split up between hardware and software, f-secure cloud deal failed. what's happening with HERE and SSH deals. etc. you have to fish infos from around the web, probably from dubious sources. that makes everything worse than saying nothing in the first place | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, f-secure cloud, who would want to host in a american owned company anyway? :) | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | marc is in a much happier place now for him, doing good, advising startups | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's about going where your dreams take you | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | HERE .. we have HERE licensed maps? | 11:58 |
| the_mgt | and HERE now belongs to german car manufacturers | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | and? | 11:58 |
| Yaniel | you sure have been advertising HERE maps | 11:58 |
| the_mgt | does that impact the chances of getting offline navigation? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: yeah it was more rhetoric | 11:59 |
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| Stskeeps | the_mgt: their apis never allowed offline navigation anyway, afaik | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | and there's plenty of dubious sources since gosh, people speculate | 11:59 |
| the_mgt | the android app is offline | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but that's their offering | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | best thing we could do is to bundle the android app, but we wanted a native offering | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | and they don't provide offline maps nor navigation over api | 12:00 |
| the_mgt | so, now, explain in terms my mom would understand, why you are able to offer the one in the jolla aptoid store while we can't have the other in the jolla native app | 12:00 |
| the_mgt | that is what PR is for | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | if anything, the fact that here belongs to somebody else, i'd think there's room for improvement, maybe they'll listen more than nokia | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | the_mgt: i don't know if your mom is a rocket scientist or dropped out of primary schol | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | +o | 12:01 |
| the_mgt | then expect the latter and try anyway | 12:01 |
| taaem | just give us a new phone and i am happy :p | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | the_mgt: that aptoide has their own sources and feeds of apps and we don't preinstall or pre-provide here maps application since it'd likely increase the SW BOM significantly? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | partnerships doesn't mean things come for free :) | 12:02 |
| the_mgt | BOM and mom does rhyme, but it does not make for a propper explanation. I do not expect you to give one to me, I just want to tell you what I am thinking | 12:03 |
| the_mgt | yeah, see. giving you my money for a product that was announced to be deliverd in may does not come for free either | 12:03 |
| stephg | the_mgt: why doesn't it? why is it a surprise that different vendors would have different agreements from each other? | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | the_mgt: did you have a chance to see the tablet in person yet? | 12:04 |
| the_mgt | that is not the point. the point is giving money to a company that keeps announcing interesting stuff while it "hides" facts from me | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | the_mgt: it sounds like you aren't prepared to deal with the risks that entail contributing to any kickstarter/indiegogo campaign | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | the_mgt: then don't next time, if it doesn't rhyme with your beliefs | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | i don't buy apple phones for that reason | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | in contrast, you can preorder google/apple stuff... I'm sure they're 100% open and honest with everybody <end of sarcasm> | 12:05 |
| the_mgt | with apple, it is the other way around. they announce a fancy phone and then you pay and then they deliver | 12:06 |
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| Stskeeps | i hope you'll like the device once you get it. there's been a lot of love and attention put into it. | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, hardware is hard | 12:06 |
| * Stskeeps looks at expensive huawei phone with bulging battery | 12:08 | |
| lainwir3d | I don't get it, are you talking about there or here ? | 12:09 |
| * lainwir3d hides | 12:09 | |
| Coolgeek | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/carbonfiber-casing-for-the-jolla-tablet#/ | 12:12 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm, might not make it | 12:13 |
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| Stskeeps | https://www.fairphone.com/2015/10/22/jolla-community-working-on-sailfish-os-for-the-fairphone-2/ | 12:19 |
| taaem | \o/ | 12:22 |
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| tadzik | hmm, looks nice | 12:24 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | well done porters people ! | 12:37 |
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| sledges | thanks:) | 12:42 |
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| Hartzi | --b | 12:51 |
| till | nice. so there might be a chance that aliendalvik will work on the fairphone 2 as well once it's an official os for the phone? | 12:52 |
| tadzik | irc: unrecognized option '--b' | 12:52 |
| Nicd- | till: no | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | till: not even a theoretical ability | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | as in, it'll likely work | 12:52 |
| tadzik | ...huh | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | but no promises on availability | 12:52 |
| Nicd- | till: it's not an official OS for thep hone | 12:52 |
| tadzik | what makes aliendalvik tricky? | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | it costs money :P | 12:52 |
| tadzik | hah! Fair enough :) | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | it'd be nice to have the option tho | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | aliendalvik and here maps (native) | 12:53 |
| till | "The overall aim of our collaboration with Jolla is to be able to offer the full Sailfish OS experience directly to our customers." | 12:53 |
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| tadzik | I didn't know aliendalvik and here are JP-1301-exclusives | 12:53 |
| till | isn't android app support part of "the full Sailfish OS experience"? | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | till: but that's fairphone... | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | till: i'd certainly think so | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | well, fairphone will have to license it | 12:54 |
| tadzik | till: yeah, I'd think so | 12:54 |
| Nicd- | till: after that they say "community version" "best-effort" "we will only offer support for Fairphone OS" | 12:54 |
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| Hartzi | tadzik: --b is same than (y) (thumb up) | 12:54 |
| till | Nicd- in the first place, yes. as I understood it | 12:54 |
| tadzik | ah !:) | 12:54 |
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| tadzik | I didn't see it at first, now it seems obvious | 12:54 |
| tadzik | like o/ | 12:55 |
| Hartzi | yup :D | 12:55 |
| Hartzi | --p thump down | 12:55 |
| hzp | Hmm. All of a sudden (i.e. after rebooting for a SIM card change) my phone doesn't boot into any kind of UI. There's a Jolla logo, and then the screen stays blank with the little LED glowing white; over USB there's just mass storage visible. | 12:55 |
| hzp | Not knowing better, I tried btrfs recovery, but that didn't change anything. Do I need to reset to factory state? | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | hzp: mass storage visible sounds really weird | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | as we only export MTP | 12:56 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: might be a null size USBMAS device to enable charging? | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | fairly sure we don't | 12:59 |
| Helle | Stskeeps: it reliable blinks past usb mass storage | 12:59 |
| Helle | Stskeeps: but i think it's in the bootloader | 12:59 |
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| hzp | That could also just be me misinterpreting dmesg... I'm not sure what MTP would look like there. "[3017330.945519] usb-storage 1-10:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected", then something about "Direct-Access Linux File-CD Gadget" | 13:02 |
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| Helle | hzp: nope, that is actually USB MSD identifier, it's also what I am referring to | 13:07 |
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| hzp | Oh dear, okay. Should have been obvious (hindsight and everything). Once upon a time I had added the sdcard to fstab without noauto, so it refuses to boot to the UI if mounting that fails. Good to know, and easy to fix! Sorry for the noise. | 13:13 |
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| caitlinb | Late to the party, mind if I lurk a little? | 13:16 |
| Nicd- | you don't have to ask for permission to be on the channel :) | 13:16 |
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| Stskeeps | caitlinb: lurking is fine | 13:18 |
| caitlinb | awesomesauce | 13:19 |
| Nicd- | but talking is forbidden! | 13:21 |
| Nicd- | ;) | 13:21 |
| caitlinb | I might sneak some talk unless you -v me | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | all talking about jolla and the ecosystem is encouraged :) | 13:22 |
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| stephg | ^^this | 13:24 |
| caitlinb | what about wittering about failing to caldav properly? :P | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | that is a surprisingily often conversation topic | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | reminds me i need to make my caldav work | 13:26 |
| caitlinb | yes, i had gathered this :/ | 13:26 |
| caitlinb | i had my contacts for a bit, but never a sniff of my calender | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | caitlinb: which server do you use, out of curiosity? | 13:27 |
| caitlinb | Baïkal apparently | 13:28 |
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| eugenio | so 1.1.9.30 | 13:34 |
| eugenio | now we only need 2.0.0.10 :) | 13:34 |
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| Nicd- | 1.1.9.30? | 13:35 |
| eugenio | https://together.jolla.com/question/107685/release-notes-119eineheminlampi-released/ | 13:35 |
| Nicd- | ooh, patch | 13:36 |
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| lainwir3d | : | 13:37 |
| lainwir3d | :o | 13:37 |
| tadzik | yay, stability improvements! | 13:37 |
| tadzik | hopefully now the Phone app won't crash when someone's calling :P | 13:37 |
| eugenio | well, only PackageKit and store-client changed | 13:37 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: only "Small update to correct configurations to facilitate the update to 2.0.0.10" | 13:37 |
| tadzik | it was like that sometimes. "Oh hey, look, someone's calling. Shame you can't answer..." | 13:37 |
| lainwir3d | lol | 13:37 |
| lainwir3d | updating both tablet & phone \o/ | 13:37 |
| tadzik | noice | 13:38 |
| lainwir3d | 3MB | 13:39 |
| lainwir3d | lol | 13:39 |
| tadzik | "not enough memory" | 13:39 |
| tadzik | I, um, huh | 13:39 |
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| KaIRC | hmm, that bug above reminds me of my own phone - but then I'm using a nightly version of Firefox OS, where everything can happen, and haven't had that for a long time | 13:40 |
| KaIRC | fun to see issues like that exist on other OSes as well ;-) | 13:40 |
| lainwir3d | lol, nice to see the difference of behaviour between phone with btrfs and tablet | 13:42 |
| lainwir3d | on the phone "start optimising filesystem before update" | 13:42 |
| lainwir3d | on tablet "start update" | 13:42 |
| the_mgt | you got an update already?! lucky bastard! | 13:45 |
| the_mgt | whats the fs on the tablet? | 13:46 |
| lainwir3d | well, 3MB update :-/ | 13:46 |
| lainwir3d | the_mgt: lvm + ext4 | 13:46 |
| the_mgt | sounds sane | 13:46 |
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| lainwir3d | true | 13:46 |
| lainwir3d | less fun, but sane | 13:46 |
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| Tofe | hop, phone updated. | 14:07 |
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| Coolgeek | is it in ea ? | 14:09 |
| lainwir3d | Hope the next big update will follow soon | 14:11 |
| Tofe | Colgate: no idea, but I am | 14:11 |
| lainwir3d | Coolgeek: don't think so, it's not mentionned on TJC | 14:11 |
| Tegu | *insert soon picture with the cat* | 14:11 |
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| Tofe | oops. was targetting Coolgeek :) | 14:12 |
| Coolgeek | just checked on my phone but no update showed up | 14:12 |
| Coolgeek | and I'm not in ea | 14:12 |
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| lainwir3d | Tegu: this one ? http://i.imgur.com/bdYtW.gif | 14:12 |
| Tegu | if it's not an ea release, I guess they still roll it out gradually | 14:13 |
| Tegu | lainwir3d: nope, I did not think of that one | 14:13 |
| Tegu | but yours actually fit better | 14:15 |
| Tegu | but this one anyway http://www.iizcat.com/uploads/2014/05/vdl2g-soon3.jpg | 14:16 |
| eugenio | ea | 14:16 |
| eugenio | they have just updated the release notes mentioning that | 14:16 |
| eugenio | :D | 14:16 |
| Tegu | :D | 14:16 |
| till | 2.0 is out | 14:17 |
| chem|st | till: ? | 14:18 |
| chem|st | till: 2.0 is out for weeks now | 14:18 |
| lainwir3d | Tegu: haha, yeah yours looks a bit evil | 14:19 |
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| lainwir3d | woah, wait what | 14:19 |
| lainwir3d | chem|st: REAL 2.0 ! | 14:19 |
| lainwir3d | https://together.jolla.com/question/116056/release-notes-200saimaa-early-access/ | 14:20 |
| till | nope, 1.1.9 was out | 14:20 |
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| eugenio | \o/ | 14:20 |
| Tegu | saimaa? woah! I always wanted them to use some big name like that on a big update! | 14:21 |
| till | although my jolla isn't finding it yet | 14:21 |
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| * eugenio disables patches | 14:22 | |
| Tegu | why the small update in between though? | 14:22 |
| chem|st | lainwir3d: semantics | 14:22 |
| eugenio | Tegu, I guess there were some problems upgrading from older releases | 14:23 |
| chem|st | lainwir3d: 1.1.9 is as real 2.0 as it gets, 2.0.0 is just a bugfix :D | 14:23 |
| Tegu | oki | 14:23 |
| till | anyone got an update notification for 2.0 so far? | 14:24 |
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| lainwir3d | chem|st: yeah, but don't underestimate real round number mind influence | 14:24 |
| Tegu | aww "Week 1 for year 2016 added (week 53 of 2015 had caused a conflct)" | 14:25 |
| lainwir3d | "My phone feels smoother" comments incoming | 14:25 |
| eugenio | "battery drains faster" | 14:25 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 14:25 |
| Tegu | lainwir3d: or "this is bad". oh well, then the "soon." picture would work. the cat is users that hate the changes, ready to attack the update (the dog) | 14:26 |
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| lainwir3d | :) | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | saimaa | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | first time i can type the lake name | 14:27 |
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| lainwir3d | till: got it. 2.0 EA update | 14:28 |
| Tegu | but yea, the 1.1.9 kinda makes this 2.0 "Saimaa" a bit more lame | 14:28 |
| lainwir3d | For both tablet and phone | 14:28 |
| xfade_ | Should be available for both now | 14:28 |
| Tegu | if 1.1.9 would have been 2.0 and Saimaa, it would have been bigger and matches better | 14:29 |
| till | lainwir3d: me too :) | 14:29 |
| eugenio | got it too :) | 14:29 |
| lainwir3d | yay \o/ | 14:29 |
| lainwir3d | Let pop open a bottle of whisky | 14:29 |
| chem|st | Tegu: did you read the release notes? changelog? Reads like this is the actual upgrade, the other was just the UI change | 14:29 |
| lainwir3d | let's* | 14:29 |
| Tegu | chem|st: oh, sry, didn't yet :( then I stand corrected | 14:30 |
| Tegu | and btw for the ones that do not know, Saimaa is the largest lake in Finland. so it's quite heavy to name to update the like that | 14:30 |
| till | i'll need to go to a less cowded access point :) | 14:30 |
| lainwir3d | guys, stop downloading that update, it slows down my update download :-| | 14:31 |
| Tegu | pls set up torrents for the download | 14:31 |
| chem|st | Tegu: should have saved it for 3.0 when they revert everything back to 1.0+adding more gestures | 14:31 |
| Tegu | :P well, they still have lakes like Päijänne.. though it's not as large, but large anyway | 14:31 |
| chem|st | Tegu: a marine corp. called its third ship Donau as they thought they wont go any bigger... all vessels after that are bigger | 14:33 |
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| lainwir3d | "problem with store" -_-, too much people downloading maybe ? | 14:33 |
| kid | who knows what's in store? ;) (sorry :)) | 14:34 |
| lainwir3d | :) | 14:34 |
| chem|st | lainwir3d: doubt it | 14:34 |
| Tegu | chem|st: haha, what is donau btw? | 14:35 |
| chem|st | Tegu: Danube in english... | 14:36 |
| Tegu | ah, okay, a river | 14:36 |
| eugenio | doesn't seem to work here either | 14:37 |
| eugenio | hmm | 14:37 |
| chem|st | if you don't count russia to Europe it is the longest river in Europe (if you do it is the second still) | 14:37 |
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| Lieke_ | 2.0 download isn't progressing at all :/ | 14:44 |
| lainwir3d | same here | 14:45 |
| Plnt | same here. i successfully updated to 1.1.9.30 but now when i hit check for updates it hangs on "Checking for updates..." | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | xfade_: ^ | 14:46 |
| eugenio | I had problem with store when it was calculating the update size | 14:46 |
| eugenio | I noticed that the ssu release was re-set to latest | 14:46 |
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| eugenio | the update began, but got stuck at the repo-enabling phase (at least looking at pkmon) | 14:48 |
| eugenio | killed store-client, removed the os-info file, rebooted and now the phone is stuck at the Checking for updates phase :) | 14:49 |
| coderus | maybe sync is not yet completed? :D | 14:49 |
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| ggabriel | http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/38223747.jpg | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | (just a thought) | 14:50 |
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| eugenio | haha | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | hold on a bit guys :) | 14:51 |
| eugenio | I'm reading the release notes in the meantime :) | 14:51 |
| lainwir3d | hold... hold what ? no :-( | 14:51 |
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| lainwir3d | Can't... work... anymore. *refresh* *refresh* | 14:51 |
| xfade_ | lainwir3d: A bit of patience still, we're fixing the repos atm ;) | 14:52 |
| lainwir3d | xfade_: hehe, no problem. :-) Thanks for the hard work | 14:52 |
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| eugenio | seems to work now :D | 15:00 |
| xfade_ | lainwir3d: try that refreshing magic again :) | 15:00 |
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| caitlinb | hmm, so 1.1.9.28 is NOT sailfish 2.0 ? | 15:05 |
| coderus | 2.0.0.10 is real 2.0 | 15:05 |
| coderus | 1.1.9.28/30 is pre 2.0 | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | the marketing names and version names weren't aligned | 15:06 |
| caitlinb | cheeky, they promised me i’d be getting 2.0 on my delayed shipped phone | 15:06 |
| lainwir3d | xfade_: my phone just exploded. Was that a trap ? ;-) | 15:06 |
| caitlinb | semi 2.0 is thing, i guess | 15:06 |
| lainwir3d | on a more serious note, it works now :P | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: you had tablet too right? | 15:06 |
| lainwir3d | or not, seems like we got a netsplit provoked by the update lol | 15:07 |
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| Tegu | well, isn't windows 10 something like 6.3 (whatever version was that, kernel? NT?? | 15:07 |
| lainwir3d | Stskeeps: yes, restarted the download as it was stuck. Seems to be ok now. | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: ok, let me know how it improves | 15:07 |
| till | my update is downloading | 15:08 |
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| lainwir3d | Stskeeps: performance wise ? Or everything wise ? | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: yeah perf | 15:08 |
| Tegu | hm, I guess I could update to 1.1.9. now that the store has enough load | 15:08 |
| lainwir3d | alright | 15:09 |
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| lainwir3d | Stskeeps: by the way. Never had that stuff with the screen happen again. Guess I had a bit of bad luck ? | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: must have been a bug | 15:10 |
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| TMavica | downloading | 15:11 |
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| till | installing... | 15:13 |
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| TMavica | how come..downloading half, then it redownload again itself.. | 15:15 |
| xfade_ | TMavica: When downloading a file times out, it will refresh the repos and try again. The progress bar will divide the remaining files over the 100% range | 15:15 |
| lainwir3d | Nice, didn't know that. I though it was starting all over again. | 15:16 |
| xfade_ | So it doesn't actually download all the files it had already downloaded again. | 15:16 |
| TMavica | ok | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: http://releases.sailfishos.org/sources/sailfish-1.1.9.30-oss.tar.bz2 | 15:18 |
| tbr | *nod* | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | now with tbj too | 15:19 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: what's the GPL diff to .29? | 15:20 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: i need to check but i think it's a conf file | 15:21 |
| tbr | ok | 15:21 |
| lainwir3d | update on the tablet finished much more quickly | 15:23 |
| lainwir3d | woah, nice new usb mode switcher !! | 15:25 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | cant see statsu bar on 2.0.0.10 | 15:27 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | boot did not help | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: non-oss only delta (store client) | 15:27 |
| tbr | ok | 15:28 |
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| lainwir3d | Store didn't detect that I had aptoide already installed | 15:28 |
| lainwir3d | I had to remove it and install again | 15:29 |
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| ggabriel | i wonder how much faster android graphics are now | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | and what the reviewers would say if it's significantly faster | 15:32 |
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| lainwir3d | hmm | 15:32 |
| lainwir3d | I'm not playing that much games | 15:32 |
| lainwir3d | Can't really voice an opinion :-( | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | shame on you :P | 15:32 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | had to do 2 reboots and after that status bar appeared | 15:33 |
| lainwir3d | well, I have a hard time convincing myself to install android games | 15:33 |
| lainwir3d | woah, too much tweets at once | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | in hindsight, having given the tablets to reviewers so early may have been counter productive since a) performance apparently wasn't optimised; b) jolla isn't selling tablets to the public just yet anyway; c) reviewers don't seem to bother to re-review after n software updates | 15:34 |
| lainwir3d | well, it might be my imagination, but app opening does feel faster | 15:35 |
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| lainwir3d | yay, option to turn off / on screen when closing / opening the lastucase | 15:36 |
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| lainwir3d | I like the new settings page | 15:41 |
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| lainwir3d | xmpp account doesn't want to connect :-( | 15:52 |
| lainwir3d | Well well. Quite happy with the changes. Both with tablet & phone. | 15:56 |
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| lainwir3d | "National Trends Survey" results : Which are the most popular mobile platforms in France? => Sailfish is last :-( 1.47% | 15:58 |
| lainwir3d | Even Tizen (the ghost OS) is higher | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | run the same thing in germany/finland/uk :P | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | 1.47% is awesome | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | i was going to point that out as well... ultimately it's still a big number | 16:00 |
| dr_gogeta86 | lainwir3d, in france tizen ? | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | sammy does great commercials | 16:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | in italy is unavaiable | 16:01 |
| lainwir3d | dr_gogeta86: oddly | 16:02 |
| lainwir3d | don't know if you can see : http://benchmark.developereconomics.com/developer/DE1Q16/5627ba1e70125f2ecbe06f46 | 16:03 |
| lainwir3d | well probably | 16:03 |
| TMavica | how to manual update in event? | 16:03 |
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| cehteh | if 1.47% are based on sold smartphones that would be absolutely awesome :D | 16:15 |
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| * Armadillo is updating again | 17:22 | |
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| Armadillo | Tweets are back yay :) | 17:22 |
| r0kk3rz | the new actions menu is a bit weird | 17:23 |
| r0kk3rz | but the quick-settings is nice | 17:24 |
| Armadillo | no spoiler please :P | 17:24 |
| r0kk3rz | although distincly missing the 'presence' setting | 17:24 |
| r0kk3rz | spoiler? its not an episode of game of thrones :P | 17:24 |
| Armadillo | :D | 17:25 |
| Hartzi | hmm my Jolla doesn't want to update to .30 :/ how I can check what is wrong? | 17:31 |
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| Coolgeek | it is only for early access user | 17:34 |
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| Yaniel | Game of Phones | 17:35 |
| Armadillo | hmmm | 17:35 |
| Armadillo | I removed the flight | 17:35 |
| Armadillo | how to add new shortcuts? :x | 17:35 |
| Armadillo | *flight mode | 17:36 |
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| Hartzi | Coolgeek: I meant that update fails | 17:38 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Armadillo: settings - events - choose shortcuts | 17:39 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | or something like that | 17:39 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | phone is not in english | 17:39 |
| Armadillo | thanks got it :) | 17:40 |
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| Hartzi | okay found it. Screen tap shot prevented the update.. weird. | 17:54 |
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| cehteh | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Fairphone-2-Laeuft-auch-mit-Sailfish-OS-2853325.htm .. oh | 18:02 |
| Sail0r | in english https://www.fairphone.com/2015/10/22/jolla-community-working-on-sailfish-os-for-the-fairphone-2/ | 18:04 |
| cehteh | :) | 18:07 |
| NwS | Ohh a lot of announcements today | 18:08 |
| NwS | I guess I should wait for it :P | 18:08 |
| cehteh | would be really good if sailfish would be available on more device .. and i mean stable/supported releases | 18:08 |
| Sail0r | with dalvik | 18:09 |
| cehteh | or preferably more native apps :D | 18:09 |
| Sail0r | yeah but for some it's quite not realistic to get them | 18:12 |
| Sail0r | like kindle app | 18:12 |
| Sail0r | or instant video | 18:13 |
| Sail0r | or tapatalk ^^ | 18:13 |
| Sail0r | the 3 apps left I use with android | 18:13 |
| cehteh | i dont have the jolla yet, lets see then what i'll use | 18:14 |
| cehteh | is there some list which apps are in the jolla store? i havent found one yet | 18:14 |
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| Tegu | there isn't one as far as I know :( unless someone has made one | 18:15 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | and not all apps are in the store | 18:15 |
| Tegu | ah yea, there's this openrepos.net. it's a wild west | 18:16 |
| cehteh | i dont have much demands, some osm maps with vector maps offlince (is there a native alternatvie to osmand?) | 18:16 |
| cehteh | a *working* email client (the email client on the n900 was a desaster) | 18:16 |
| cehteh | something like fahrplan/öffi ... | 18:17 |
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| cehteh | sipphone, xmpp .. done | 18:17 |
| Tegu | apparently, no native alternative to osmand. at least I have heard that people use osmand. I tend to use here maps (android) | 18:17 |
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| cehteh | if osmand works its ok | 18:17 |
| noume | there is a native here maps app but it does not support tbt yet | 18:17 |
| cehteh | i liked monav on the n900 | 18:17 |
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| cehteh | tbt? | 18:18 |
| the_mgt | thanks for the 2.0 update | 18:18 |
| noume | turn by turn navigation | 18:18 |
| cehteh | not? wtf :D | 18:18 |
| noume | You can use modrana for that | 18:18 |
| noume | it has a native port and uses osm maps | 18:18 |
| cehteh | ok i know modrana from then n900 times | 18:18 |
| cehteh | but iirc that had only tile maps or? | 18:19 |
| cehteh | dunno that was years ago, it chrashed a lot too | 18:19 |
| noume | yeh, pretty much but it does turn by turn navigation somehow | 18:19 |
| cehteh | well then i prolly go with osmand | 18:19 |
| noume | I wish it would support vector maps like osmand which works very good | 18:19 |
| cehteh | is sip/voip buildin into the telephony as it was on the n900? | 18:20 |
| noume | does not seem like it | 18:20 |
| cehteh | well and for the buildin email client .. is imap idle supported? | 18:21 |
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| cehteh | i'll just see when it arrives :D | 18:22 |
| Tegu | cehteh: here's some old dump of the app names (some are in finnish). never bothered to scrape more data. https://pastee.org/23grp | 18:26 |
| Tegu | because the names alon may not really tell enough about anything. it would need descriptions and all that | 18:26 |
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| Tegu | and some of those are android apps | 18:28 |
| noume | also i could not find a native app for sip/rtp, cehteh | 18:28 |
| chem|st | cehteh: o/ | 18:28 |
| chem|st | cehteh: you know you can pester me with anything in _the_ other channel any time ;) | 18:29 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | sip is going to be integrated to accounts in some future update? | 18:29 |
| chem|st | HarhaanJohtaja: yes | 18:29 |
| chem|st | HarhaanJohtaja: from CLI it is kind of working | 18:29 |
| chem|st | there is no call routing yet iirc (at least not properly) and the UI is missing | 18:30 |
| chem|st | cehteh: if you go with android anyway, there is HERE maps for android that is working just fine, for detailed maps I use oruxmaps (also android) | 18:32 |
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| Tofe | Update at 99.99999%... nearly there... | 19:06 |
| Tofe | Done! | 19:06 |
| * kid is at it as well | 19:08 | |
| Tofe | Looking good! Another successful update :) | 19:08 |
| kid | 1.1.9.30 is in and waiting for 2.0.0.10 to complete | 19:08 |
| cehteh | uhm .. 518 apps? seriously | 19:09 |
| Hartzi | where? | 19:10 |
| cehteh | the list Tegu pasted | 19:10 |
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| Tegu | yea, something like that | 19:11 |
| Tegu | it's a few months old | 19:11 |
| cehteh | i expected few more .. not massively more but around 1000-2000 | 19:11 |
| cehteh | is there a devel repo with experimental apps which didnt made it to the store yet like the n900 had? | 19:12 |
| Tegu | openrepos.net | 19:12 |
| Hartzi | ok | 19:12 |
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| kid | Use Wareshose from there: https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse-sailfishos | 19:13 |
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| cehteh | ah | 19:13 |
| Tofe | cehteh: you have to remember n900 uses X, and therefore could more easily port apps from standard linux stack. Here it's Wayland, it's not so direct | 19:14 |
| cehteh | no xwayland? | 19:14 |
| cehteh | at least emacs is there :D ... haha | 19:15 |
| cehteh | terminal only prolly .. but still | 19:15 |
| Tofe | I didn't see any xwayland on Jolla, maybe I missed it | 19:15 |
| cehteh | (and unuseable with touch keyboard for sure) | 19:15 |
| cehteh | but its there :) | 19:15 |
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| Tofe | Ah, guys, still this useless "upcoming events" that only lists the events of today... I hope it'll be changed in next update! | 19:16 |
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| attah | Tofe: Not that i find it very *useful* but what is so useless about it? | 19:18 |
| Tofe | attah: It's useless as soon as the next event is tomorrow or after; people want to know what happens *next*, not what happens *today*, because for today, it's often already too late to get organized | 19:19 |
| attah | I guess that's true.. 24h in the future would probably be better | 19:19 |
| Tofe | Or simply the next 5 events. It doesn't have to be something complicated. | 19:20 |
| attah | true | 19:20 |
| kid | me can haz Saimaa! :) | 19:21 |
| attah | Baaah! TAblet wifi goes in to slow-mode when screen shuts off even if the update is downloading | 19:21 |
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| Tofe | attah: plug in charger, I guess it should help | 19:22 |
| attah | It has been in all the time | 19:22 |
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| Tofe | Ah, then it's just not smart. Reminds me of some Android-ish behavior. | 19:22 |
| kimmoli | tablet wifi goes to sleep when display goes off | 19:23 |
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| kimmoli | blame intel power management (or something like that) | 19:24 |
| kimmoli | enable the "keep display on while charging" and keep charger connected. | 19:24 |
| kimmoli | or use mce-tool to disable blanking | 19:25 |
| attah | yeah... but it should "just work" (tm) | 19:25 |
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| Tegu | oh wait, my dump had descriptions as well. sry for an ugly plaintext format but a pastebin was quickest https://pastee.org/h44xj | 19:29 |
| Tegu | oh and apparently some of the descriptions are multiline. oops | 19:30 |
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| attah | [voicecall-ui] Correctly decode percent encoded tel URIs. <3 | 19:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | attah, only took them 6 months for a QML mod | 19:32 |
| attah | 6?! | 19:32 |
| attah | more like 10 | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | or however long it was... | 19:32 |
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| attah | btw.. that bug was even in the N9 (yes, really) | 19:32 |
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| ivanplatzek | just installed Saimaa ! | 19:33 |
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| Tegu | here's yet another dump. (still old data, sorry) this time with longer descriptions and android/sailfish separation https://aa23568ae0a9ffcdc8b05adb81e907ef9cba1c4c.htmlb.in (I tried to use as suspicious and obscure host as possible. pastebin did not like html and plaintext was difficult to read) | 20:14 |
| cehteh | well i dont mind that much, checking when i have the device | 20:23 |
| cehteh | i guess fdroid works well too? | 20:23 |
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| Lieke_ | yeah, works fine | 20:29 |
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| taaem | wasn't there a community meeting today? | 20:56 |
| kimmoli | no. moved. | 20:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | taaem: in case you havent already tried, the syncthing seems to work well on jolla, although crashes when it suspends | 21:17 |
| taaem | r0kk3rz: okay essentially the only thing i *could* do is writing a ui the other stuff would require a device. maybe i will look into it :) | 21:18 |
| r0kk3rz | taaem: UI isnt super required, the web-ui functions acceptably in the browser, which automatically launches | 21:19 |
| r0kk3rz | occasionally some weird things happen with web-ui, but i'd more blame the browser i think | 21:20 |
| taaem | r0kk3rz: i never used the web ui in mobile :P | 21:20 |
| r0kk3rz | it scales ok | 21:20 |
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| taaem | for the suspend, i think that would be managable via systemd but i don't know how that works on sailfish | 21:23 |
| r0kk3rz | taaem: systemd is pretty normal, need to diagnose exactly why its crashing in the first place | 21:25 |
| r0kk3rz | but should be able to restart it automagically via systemd | 21:25 |
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| taaem | r0kk3rz: i think you could just stop it when it suspense and resume on waking up | 21:25 |
| r0kk3rz | taaem: yeah maybe | 21:26 |
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| Tegu | had to increase the font size of the clock.. it's too miniatyre. next would probably be to do something for the tiny signal and battery indicators | 21:45 |
| urs | oho, system update available | 21:46 |
| urs | 2015-10-22 - 1.1.9.30 - Early access update to correct configurations to facilitate the update to 2.0.0.10 | 21:47 |
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| Tegu | yea, and 2.0.0.10 immediately after that | 21:48 |
| Tegu | two updates within an hour | 21:48 |
| SQUelcher | urs: you're late | 21:48 |
| urs | my phone is late! | 21:49 |
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| SQUelcher | urs: it maybe isn't the latest. | 21:49 |
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| Tegu | hm, the scrolling background image seems to be gone as well (1.1.9) | 22:10 |
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