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| inte | moin | 09:34 |
| Nicd- | inte: no mitä mies? | 09:34 |
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| inte | :) | 09:37 |
| zebbiz_pi | My camera won't start | 09:39 |
| inte | Nicd-: vielä? | 09:39 |
| zebbiz_pi | Anyone else had this problem? | 09:39 |
| Nicd- | inte: niin että miten menee? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | zebbiz_pi: not sailpi, i presume.. | 09:39 |
| zebbiz_pi | Stskeeps: Raspberry Pi | 09:40 |
| zebbiz_pi | ssh from my laptop | 09:40 |
| zebbiz_pi | But I'm talking about the camera on my jolla phone | 09:40 |
| inte | Nicd-: erittäin hyvä, minulla on hauskaa minun Jolla Tablet :) | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | zebbiz_pi: version? | 09:40 |
| zebbiz_pi | a second reboot fixed it | 09:41 |
| zebbiz_pi | odd... | 09:41 |
| inte | well, google translate is giving me a hard time :) | 09:41 |
| zebbiz_pi | Stskeeps: latest according to the phones | 09:41 |
| zebbiz_pi | 1.1.9.28 | 09:41 |
| inte | Nicd-: is "moin" actually finish as well? | 09:41 |
| Temppu-Teme | it's not, "moi" = "hi" | 09:42 |
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| inte | Temppu-Teme: ah | 09:42 |
| Nicd- | inte: Finnish* | 09:42 |
| inte | moin is (northern)german with actually the same meaning | 09:42 |
| inte | Nicd-: ah, sure sorry :) | 09:43 |
| Nicd- | you should have replied with "I don't know Finnish, sorry" and I would have replied with "that's funny, I don't know German either" | 09:43 |
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| inte | Hehe didnt Google translate perform good? :) | 09:44 |
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| nander | Hmm, where is the change/create ambience option in the latest sailfish version | 10:02 |
| nander | I can't find the button | 10:02 |
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| Nicd- | nander: settings -> system -> ambience to modify them | 10:03 |
| Nicd- | to create a new one go to a photo in the gallery and choose "Create ambience" from the pulldown menu | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | just like before | 10:04 |
| nander | Ok, thankw | 10:04 |
| nander | Thanks* | 10:04 |
| nander | It seems my sound is muted, apart from the ambience, is that possible? | 10:05 |
| nander | By the way, is there a way to make swipe down kill application instead of change application? | 10:06 |
| Nicd- | yes, in the gesture settings | 10:07 |
| Nicd- | quick close | 10:07 |
| Nicd- | you should go through all the settings to see what is new :P | 10:08 |
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| inte | activesync is broken on the tablet | 10:10 |
| inte | i wonder when it will be fixed | 10:10 |
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| inte | just send my eas logs to some jolla guy | 10:10 |
| inte | nice reply on tjc: https://together.jolla.com/question/115211/tablet-adding-openxchange-accounts-failes-while-working-on-phone-why-has-activesync-been-replaced-with-sailfisheas/ | 10:11 |
| inte | thx jolla | 10:11 |
| inte | nander: if you hit the volume button by mistake it will mute your sound now | 10:11 |
| inte | nander: there is (of course) a fix for it on OR :) | 10:11 |
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| lainwir3d | and you have two sound settings : ringtone and "media" | 10:12 |
| lainwir3d | on the tablet you can change "media" volume with a 3 fingers vertical slide | 10:12 |
| inte | nander: as there is for the cover actions (pulldownswupe), and for the quick lock gesture | 10:12 |
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| inte | nander: OR is mandatory when using 2.0 on the phone | 10:12 |
| inte | on the tablet it performs quite good, though | 10:12 |
| Nicd- | inte: I don't use any patches from OR on my phone. don't act like it's mandatory | 10:13 |
| lainwir3d | Nicd-: +1 | 10:14 |
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| inte | Nicd-: well, you know I dont like the loss of coveractions and gestures as the vast majority of jolla users, as you can see in the polls i made at OR. | 10:23 |
| inte | Especially the coveractions are missing now | 10:24 |
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| Nicd- | inte: don't act like it's mandatory. I know a few Jolla users and none of them have patches. you have conducted a bad poll with bad answer choices and a very small sample size | 10:25 |
| inte | and, since they made these shortcut option for the eventsscreen - i would really like to have events available (optionally, via shortcut) from either the bottom or the top, since having it on one side is always confusing when changing hands often, like the "push app away" gesture has different functions depending on the hand you use | 10:25 |
| inte | Nicd-: i made another one, only for the cover actions | 10:26 |
| Nicd- | I don't mind people saying *they* think it's bad but I do mind people claiming everyone thinks it's bad | 10:26 |
| inte | that one has a even smaller sample size, but was clear pro coveractions | 10:26 |
| Nicd- | an even smaller sample size makes it even more irrelevant | 10:26 |
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| inte | the other one, actually saying bring back EVERYTHING as it was before, is 50/50 | 10:26 |
| Nicd- | 100% of the Jolla users in my home think 2.0 is fine | 10:27 |
| inte | which means it could be up to 200 users, given the fact that everybody hast one down- and one upvote | 10:27 |
| inte | 200 users is not too small | 10:27 |
| inte | especially since there are only maybe not even 50000 jollas around | 10:27 |
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| inte | i guess | 10:27 |
| inte | Nicd-: for my home, 100% think its fine for the tablet but crap on the phone | 10:28 |
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| inte | so, give it 50% of the jolla users dislike the new interface on the phone | 10:29 |
| inte | is it really worh not improving it? | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | worth asking how many of the users are typically against change | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:29 |
| Nicd- | inte: your tiny sample sizes are completely irrelevant, you have no standing to be making claims like "patches are mandatory for 2.0". it's just unnecessary flamebait. stick to your own opinion and stop acting like you speak for all of us | 10:31 |
| inte | I would say - it is not only me complaining about the new interface. | 10:31 |
| inte | jolla must not ignore that | 10:31 |
| inte | this ignorance is deadly | 10:31 |
| Nicd- | what jolla should and shouldn't do is a wholly different matter | 10:32 |
| inte | even microsoft was listening to their users, regarding e.g. the startmenu | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | inte: there's a big difference between listening to somebody and doing everything they say.. | 10:32 |
| inte | or nokia/wp, when they reintroduced bt sharing withouth necessary thirdparty apps | 10:32 |
| inte | sure | 10:32 |
| inte | i agree with all that | 10:32 |
| inte | however, jolla claims its peopole powered | 10:33 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: there is also a significant difference between dialog and not responding to people at all | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: that's true | 10:33 |
| inte | why dont the invite they users to an official poll? | 10:33 |
| inte | like for the gestures and coverswipes? | 10:33 |
| tbr | resistance to change is mostly born out of lack of communication | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | inte: because a poll can't possibly capture all the nuances of a problem | 10:33 |
| inte | well, then a questionaire | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: GNOME.. ? :) | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | er, gnome3 | 10:34 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: sailfish totally needs some hot-corners! | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | inte: questionaire is probably a bit saner as that can give more free form answers to people why it doesn't fit to them | 10:35 |
| inte | you can ask sth. like "woud you want to have the option to have coverswipes back, instead of the buttons?" | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | well, you're rigging the game with that | 10:35 |
| inte | Stskeeps: you can weight the answers | 10:35 |
| inte | like, total agree, agree... | 10:35 |
| inte | to make it accessible for statistics | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | then again, this is cognitive science, it's about how people approach the device ux | 10:36 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: I've been using gnome3 to describe jollas ui development process for a very long way now. it's exactly the same "we know what's best for you, and no, making it configurable will just confuse stupid you" | 10:36 |
| tbr | what doesn't help either is that there are probably many decision influencing factors that are NOT visible to users and NEVER will be | 10:36 |
| inte | Aard: haha exactely. Im with KDE :) | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: such as the level of serotonin in designer blood | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:37 |
| inte | im only saying jolla is somewhat not people-powered regarding these decisions | 10:37 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I'm not sure if it's the serotonin level... | 10:37 |
| inte | im feeling like jolla stole something from my phone | 10:37 |
| inte | like those gestures i was used to for almost 2 years | 10:37 |
| inte | and, why dont make it configureable? | 10:38 |
| Aard | inte: I'm still with 1.1.7, my wife tried the new ui, and after two days threatened to destroy the phone, so I downgraded her to 1.1.7 as well | 10:38 |
| inte | wouldnt hurt anyone | 10:38 |
| inte | Aard: considiering downgrading as well, but im somewhat too lazy | 10:38 |
| inte | :) | 10:38 |
| inte | Aard: and i have the tablet already, and i would probably feel sad missing all the gestures i have on the phone on the tablet, since that is not downgradeable :( | 10:39 |
| Aard | if you're just just at 1.1.9 it should be painfree, not much changed there | 10:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | presumably the UI will change a bit over the coming releases though? | 10:49 |
| r0kk3rz | there are areas where it could adapt a bit depending on the device its on | 10:49 |
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| lainwir3d | A bit more config options would be welcome true. But honestly if there isn't I like "2.0" as it is, without any patches. | 10:57 |
| lainwir3d | and for the cover actions thing, I think it's more a matter of people hating change than real dislike | 10:58 |
| lainwir3d | I have undoubtely quite big hands compared to most people I meet, and I have no trouble hitting those buttons | 10:59 |
| kimmoli | imo: i dont mind them to be buttons instead of swipes, just bring two actions back to jolla own apps... | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | im thinking not so much config options, but things that change depending on the device screen size, and maybe capabillities as well | 11:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | eg. having pinned apps to the home screen is not so important on a tablet sized device with no GSM capabillity than on a phone sized device where you want quick access to call menus and such | 11:02 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: something i thought about: Is it possible to have the camera app always in memory like the phone call app? or would it take up too much space | 11:07 |
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| inte | lainwir3d: i was hitting the buttons all the time until i installed pull-down-covers from OR | 11:15 |
| inte | i really dont get the point why they had to go | 11:15 |
| inte | neither do i get why they removed the second coveraction from the tiles, and, when they did, why they removed the "reload" button from the browser instead of the newtab button | 11:16 |
| inte | i never used the newtab while i was frequently using reload | 11:16 |
| inte | e.g. to check the internet connection w/o having to maximize the browser | 11:17 |
| r0kk3rz | inte: sounds like a workaround for a bug though, rather than good design | 11:18 |
| r0kk3rz | you shouldnt need to check connection when you have connection status icon | 11:18 |
| lainwir3d | +1 | 11:19 |
| Aard | r0kk3rz: valid point is that different people use different actions, so it should be configurable, at least via some advanced settings | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | Aard: yeah for cover actions i can agree with that, its simple enough to define in settings | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | in my music player you can configure which screen gets shown first, to deal with personal preferences on how best to organise music | 11:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | inte: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/issues/435 << i raised an issue for you | 11:49 |
| inte | Aard: +1 | 12:02 |
| inte | r0kk3rz: oh, I wrote a bug-report already: https://together.jolla.com/question/108631/bug-cover-action-reload-missing-for-webbrowser/ | 12:03 |
| r0kk3rz | sailfish browser is open source, so adding issue on github is easier to track | 12:03 |
| inte | yeah | 12:03 |
| inte | didnt you point me to the source where it was initially remove? | 12:04 |
| inte | d | 12:04 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 12:04 |
| inte | so it should be easy to reimplement I hope | 12:04 |
| r0kk3rz | looks like it would be easy as to add in a setting | 12:04 |
| inte | they should just bring it back | 12:05 |
| inte | i dont see the point in allowing only one coveraction anyways | 12:05 |
| * inte watching soccer | 12:08 | |
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| inte | damned | 12:58 |
| inte | they drew for no reason | 12:58 |
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| ar | How can i get a version of ssh/ssh-keygen that supports ed25519 on jolla and/or jolla tablet? other than building my own packages for openssh | 13:11 |
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| inte | ar: I don't think openrepos is available for the tablet already | 13:16 |
| inte | compiling by yourself isnt to complex though | 13:16 |
| inte | you can maybe ask at tmo as well, maybe someone already made a rpm | 13:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | i wouldnt install something like that from openrepos anyway... | 13:43 |
| r0kk3rz | ar, build yourself on merobs | 13:43 |
| r0kk3rz | ar, although, does this suit your needs? https://build.merproject.org/package/show/mer-core:devel/openssh | 13:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | or tigeli seems to be building a newer version: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:tigeli/openssh | 13:46 |
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| ar | r0kk3rz: yeah, i guess the tigeli's version might be new enough | 13:54 |
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| Shihua_ | QGstreamerPlayerSession::processBusMessage:1302 - Warning: "received more decoded frames 1 than provided 0 | 14:10 |
| Shihua_ | why | 14:10 |
| Shihua_ | ? | 14:10 |
| Shihua_ | my sdk show this | 14:10 |
| Shihua_ | i use qmedia | 14:10 |
| Shihua_ | qmediaplayer | 14:10 |
| Shihua_ | but, i get the music from the net | 14:10 |
| Shihua_ | setSource(http.......) | 14:11 |
| Shihua_ | but,it show this to me. | 14:11 |
| Shihua_ | somebody can tell me why ? | 14:12 |
| Shihua_ | thanks very much. | 14:12 |
| Shihua_ | why will show this? | 14:13 |
| Shihua_ | can somebody explain to me? thanks!!!!!! | 14:13 |
| Nicd- | please be patient | 14:14 |
| Nicd- | you should ask #sailfishos for development questions. provide the details and _wait_ | 14:14 |
| Shihua_ | but the music is ok.it can play.but it warning . | 14:16 |
| Shihua_ | i can not get the duration time. | 14:16 |
| Shihua_ | i have debugged it two week | 14:16 |
| Shihua_ | i don't know why will this... | 14:17 |
| Nicd- | as I said, use #sailfishos for development questions | 14:18 |
| Shihua_ | thanks. | 14:19 |
| Shihua_ | i make me so bad. | 14:19 |
| Shihua_ | sorry | 14:19 |
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| tigeli | ar: the new openssh should come in the update after next update, for some reason the mer-obs is not yet able to build i586 againts the sailfish_latest | 16:25 |
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| sqozz | hi everyone! Does someone know how the jolla store handles the builds for x86 (for the tablet)? | 16:41 |
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| sqozz | can the dev decide, if his app is only for the phone or the tablet or both? | 16:41 |
| sqozz | because i'm missing YTPlayer and some other apps for my tablet :( | 16:42 |
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| ar | tigeli: the one from your repos seems to work ok | 16:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | Sfiet_Konstantin, have you compiled twablet for x86 yet? | 17:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | r0kk3rz: you have to find it :P | 17:07 |
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| kimmoli | seems to work | 17:10 |
| r0kk3rz | Sfiet_Konstantin, is that a "dont be lazy and compile it yourself" type of suggestion? | 17:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no | 17:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | r0kk3rz: find on build.merproject.org | 17:10 |
| r0kk3rz | ah its on obs :) | 17:10 |
| noume | tigeli: Glad to see you here. if just read up on the oom issue and thought i'd ask before submitting another syslog of an extreme oom situation to your mail address. | 17:11 |
| noume | *i've | 17:11 |
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| coderus | sqozz: you missing main point: apps are not universal | 17:19 |
| coderus | phone and tablet have different cpu architecture and apps should be recompiled | 17:20 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | coderus: technically, QML only apps are universal | 17:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but they are pretty limited | 17:34 |
| r0kk3rz | Sfiet_Konstantin, couldnt python apps be universal? | 17:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | r0kk3rz: yes they are | 17:37 |
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