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| the_mgt | hm, warehouse selfupdate disabled all my repos. is there an easy way to reenable them? | 07:13 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | the_mgt, this is a symptom of btrfs overcommit pls cleanup your phone and rebalance it | 07:24 |
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| the_mgt | dr_gogeta86: honestly, that is bullcrap. I use 9,2/13,7gb and the btrfs rebalanced the shit out of itself during the last 5 upgrades | 07:29 |
| dr_gogeta86 | pay attention 9,2 is a bit high ... and depends how old is the partition if you are a first one .... so is too high | 07:29 |
| dr_gogeta86 | IMHO | 07:29 |
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| the_mgt | hi for what? that's 68% usage | 07:31 |
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| TemeV | the_mgt: btrfs fi show will tell the truth :) | 07:32 |
| the_mgt | also, the last upgrades all did a rebalancing of their own. and rebalancing is done in background now, iirc | 07:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | the_mgt, the symptoms are there | 07:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | If you love your data, care your data | 07:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | are just two commands | 07:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | deve-su | 07:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | *devel-su | 07:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | btrfs fi / | 07:33 |
| the_mgt | that doesnt work | 07:35 |
| TemeV | btrfs fi show / | 07:40 |
| TemeV | iirce | 07:40 |
| TemeV | -e | 07:40 |
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| the_mgt | ERROR: unable get label Inappropriate iocotl for device | 07:43 |
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| TemeV | oh, it's without the last slash | 07:49 |
| TemeV | just btrfs fi show | 07:49 |
| TemeV | and ignore the error | 07:49 |
| the_mgt | and the relavant part would be the size XXX used YYY part? | 07:49 |
| TemeV | yes | 07:50 |
| the_mgt | ok, so we have a crappy FS combined with crappy tools, since the last 5 rebalancing seem to have done nothing | 07:50 |
| the_mgt | way to go linux | 07:50 |
| TemeV | what does it say? | 07:50 |
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| the_mgt | size 13,75GiB used 12.37GiB | 07:51 |
| coderus | the_mgt: for i in $(ssu lr 2>&1 | grep openre | cut -d" " -f3); do ssu er $i ; done | 07:51 |
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| TemeV | that is pretty full, but I don't know if it should cause trouble yet | 07:52 |
| TemeV | I thought problems arise when it hits 13,75/13,75 | 07:52 |
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| the_mgt | so would a "btrfs balance start /dev/mmcblk0p28 -dlimit=3" help? | 07:54 |
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| the_mgt | coderus: thanks | 07:54 |
| Mirv | I thought the before-update + on-the-background balancing is not as throughout as the full balancing manually? | 07:54 |
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| FiXion | where do I report jolla bugs (like when Download manager keeps setting notifications about failing to download a file - which I can't make it stop trying.. and which have persisted for a year+ | 08:11 |
| FiXion | have 26 notifications from it now. on 2 files it seems to want to retry. and I cleared yesterday | 08:12 |
| tbr | tjc - together.jolla.com | 08:13 |
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| FiXion | tbr: I transferred the problem to my new jolla (when moving backup to the new box).. and it also does it after updating to sailfish 2.0 | 08:17 |
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| FiXion | so I'll go grep my backup (when I'm home and can access it) and see if I can't find the source files :) | 08:17 |
| FiXion | so I have some details for a tjc issue | 08:18 |
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| coderus | FiXion: there is no "Download manager" in Sailfishos | 09:07 |
| Venemo_j | there is | 09:08 |
| coderus | i seen similar reports about android download manager | 09:08 |
| Venemo_j | it's just called transfers | 09:08 |
| coderus | Venemo_j: user using transfers never call it download manager | 09:08 |
| coderus | it just tells what seen on display | 09:08 |
| Venemo_j | just sayin :) | 09:09 |
| coderus | aliendalvik spawning notifications from "Download manager" | 09:09 |
| coderus | when saving ffiles in browser using "system" method, or saving media from vkontakte/facebook/etc | 09:09 |
| coderus | android browser i mean | 09:09 |
| coderus | FiXion: so you need to post details what file is downloading in that "Download manager", what app you used, and so on | 09:10 |
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| Pemek | hi guys | 09:29 |
| Pemek | quick question about dir permissions for /home/nemo | 09:29 |
| Pemek | ssh doesn't like my +rwx fot all. | 09:30 |
| coderus | what is the question? | 09:31 |
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| Pemek | for permissions on your device | 09:35 |
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| Pemek | and what is the reason for a+rwx | 09:36 |
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| Pemek | I don't like it either but I'm little affraid to change them to more restrictive | 09:38 |
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| lainwir3d | Well well, the ten days are past and still no tablet sent notification email :-P | 09:46 |
| Helle | mhm | 09:47 |
| Helle | well, still no invite mail for me | 09:47 |
| Helle | and I ordered the first day, grmbl | 09:48 |
| Helle | "but we are trying out stuff" | 09:48 |
| Helle | *sigh* order fullfillment is not magic | 09:48 |
| merlin1991 | Yeah, it's black magic ;) | 09:50 |
| tbr | you need to sacrifice a virgin… | 09:51 |
| tbr | olive oil bottle during a blood moon | 09:52 |
| tbr | and chant some ancient incantations | 09:52 |
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| lainwir3d | tbr: naked of course (while singing) | 10:00 |
| coderus | Pemek: because there is android who read your home pictures | 10:01 |
| coderus | and its group user dynamically generated per app | 10:02 |
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| Pemek | coderus: group is ok, but why also for all? | 10:02 |
| FiXion | coderus: I'm not using any android app for it. its things I tried to download using builtin browser one time a long ago afaik | 10:02 |
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| coderus | because android app process user and group is unique per app | 10:03 |
| coderus | FiXion: okay then fill it to tjc | 10:03 |
| coderus | or search probably there is already created one | 10:04 |
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| coderus | and probably not only one and also many other duplicates | 10:04 |
| FiXion | coderus: I'll grep my backup first - see if I can find where the filenames are on-disk | 10:04 |
| FiXion | coderus: I searched. nothing hitting "download manager" - which is what notifications groups it under | 10:04 |
| Pemek | coderus: thanks for explanation | 10:05 |
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| Pemek | but it is strange that at june ssh worked passwordless not complaining about permissions | 10:07 |
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| Pemek | and I didn't upgrade ssh since | 10:07 |
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| coderus | my ssh never complains | 10:08 |
| coderus | i have no idea what you talking about | 10:09 |
| Pemek | ;) ssh complains about /home/nemo permissions and do not want to login with rsa keys - passwordless. | 10:11 |
| stephg | coderus: ditto, Pemek you changed the perms on /home/nemo then? | 10:13 |
| stephg | //home/nemo for me is 750, .ssh should be 700, authorized_keys should be 600 | 10:15 |
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| Pemek | stephg: no, but I may have done it by accident | 10:15 |
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| Pemek | stephg: and your perms looks reasonable | 10:17 |
| stephg | Pemek ja | 10:17 |
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| _inte_ | hello | 10:44 |
| _inte_ | tablet seems delayed again | 10:44 |
| _inte_ | surprise... | 10:44 |
| _inte_ | :( | 10:44 |
| _inte_ | would it make sense to join this community meeting tomorrow and ask the jolla people directly why they removed the most important gestures from the gesture based os | 10:45 |
| _inte_ | and ask them to bring them back? | 10:46 |
| lainwir3d | Which gestures are you talking about ? | 10:46 |
| _inte_ | all the gestures that where removed | 10:46 |
| _inte_ | there are barely gestures left, to be honest | 10:46 |
| _inte_ | e.g. @home: resurrect the edge swipes | 10:46 |
| lainwir3d | that does not seems to be a general opinion | 10:46 |
| lainwir3d | looking at this poll : https://together.jolla.com/question/113827/poll-bring-back-old-gestures-and-cover-actions-or-keep-the-new-interface/ | 10:47 |
| _inte_ | what? | 10:47 |
| _inte_ | yeah | 10:47 |
| lainwir3d | (ok, not really representative) | 10:47 |
| _inte_ | almost have the people want it back | 10:47 |
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| lainwir3d | honestly, I just want options | 10:47 |
| _inte_ | and all people want cover action swipes back: https://together.jolla.com/question/113838/poll-bring-back-old-cover-actions-swipes/ | 10:47 |
| lainwir3d | that they change the default is ok IMO, but options would be very nice | 10:47 |
| _inte_ | the buttons are just stupid, must have been an idiot who came up with that | 10:48 |
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| _inte_ | lainwir3d: yeah | 10:48 |
| _inte_ | like gestureless environment for the DAUs, gestures for the Unlike people :) | 10:48 |
| _inte_ | im only wondering if i should join this community meeting | 10:49 |
| chem|st | _inte_: you are confused ;) | 10:49 |
| _inte_ | it would also be cool if jolla would conduct an official poll, since they claim their os was people powered | 10:49 |
| chem|st | _inte_: the only thing that got removed is cover-action-gestures | 10:49 |
| _inte_ | chem|st: just as confused as ususal:) | 10:49 |
| _inte_ | chem|st: untrue | 10:49 |
| _inte_ | home had 4 gestures before | 10:50 |
| chem|st | _inte_: together is their official poll | 10:50 |
| _inte_ | now home only has 2 gestures | 10:50 |
| chem|st | _inte_: semantics! | 10:50 |
| chem|st | _inte_: that is why I answered to your post "how about removing the pull-up" | 10:51 |
| chem|st | _inte_: I am pretty sure that home-screen will get a pulley | 10:51 |
| _inte_ | before: evensview/lock device (horiz. edge), app drawer (horiz. pull), ambiance selector (vert. edge), cover swipes (vert. pull) | 10:51 |
| chem|st | covergestures hopefully become a setting | 10:51 |
| _inte_ | now its only caroussel (which replace ambience) and app drawer | 10:52 |
| chem|st | _inte_: I know the setup and I know what changed | 10:52 |
| _inte_ | they removed three functions in 2.0 | 10:52 |
| _inte_ | stupid | 10:52 |
| _inte_ | so its NOT the only thing they removed, the cover gestures | 10:52 |
| chem|st | _inte_: they removed cover-gestures and disabled returning to the lockscreent | 10:52 |
| _inte_ | and it does not make sense at all to have the events screen in the caroussel | 10:52 |
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| _inte_ | and they removed the dedicated events-swipe which is currently unused (bottom edge) | 10:53 |
| chem|st | _inte_: home, events and launcher are on global hotseat gestures now, so they actually added something | 10:53 |
| _inte_ | imaging a caroussel with 5 spaces | 10:53 |
| _inte_ | now you are confused :) | 10:54 |
| entil | imo the events screen is just nice, it's just annoying that if I scroll to that screen in the lock screen I somehow don't end up there _unless_ I have a missed sms or something | 10:54 |
| chem|st | _inte_: bottom swipe is not unused | 10:54 |
| _inte_ | for what is it used? | 10:54 |
| _inte_ | same as bottom pull | 10:54 |
| chem|st | the only unused is pull-down in events and home | 10:54 |
| _inte_ | and bottom swipe does the same as bottom pull | 10:54 |
| chem|st | _inte_: bottom pull is only in events and home... | 10:54 |
| chem|st | calm down! | 10:55 |
| _inte_ | where else would i want to go to the apps? | 10:55 |
| chem|st | the one gesture you should be concerned about is the horizontal pulls | 10:55 |
| chem|st | _inte_: all main screens, home, events and launcher are now available always from everywhere | 10:56 |
| chem|st | including lock-ambience-pull-down this makes the 4 swipe directions | 10:56 |
| chem|st | and adds to muscle memory | 10:57 |
| chem|st | now the home&events-screen duplication of the bottom pull is odd but apart of just removing it I have no use, as pulling in launcher or a pulley is the same problem for me, I accidentally pull it | 10:58 |
| chem|st | the carousel navigation is set to be the same for pull and swipe for the sake of new users, so lets pester Jolla to bring the option to use pulls as cover-actions again?! | 10:59 |
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| chem|st | _inte_: understood? having all main screens always available is a good thing | 11:01 |
| entil | I seem to have trouble hitting the pressable cover actions when I want to, but always seem to clear whatever bus route I have in JollaOpas when I try to look at it :P | 11:01 |
| chem|st | entil: yeah buttons in a gesture OS tell me more about it | 11:01 |
| chem|st | entil: that headline "for the sake of new users" reads for me "the world is a bunch of retards so we are forced to give you the finger to survive" | 11:02 |
| entil | that and how I don't get to the events screen from the lock screen except in a special case | 11:02 |
| entil | well, you got to choose between going bankrupt as a company and dumbing it down for retards | 11:03 |
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| entil | usually self-preservation makes companies dumb it down | 11:03 |
| chem|st | so I am ok with the move but I will only stop screaming when I get that button in settings that reads "Advanced Super Hero UI Mode aka not for retards" | 11:04 |
| entil | but I think the lock->events toggle is illogical even for the new users and the button cover actions is something they can't easily take back now and that just breaks the mold | 11:04 |
| chem|st | entil: I always have notifications active so I barely do run into that bug | 11:05 |
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| entil | that doesn't make it better and if a jolla/sailfish dev said that s/he should be fired | 11:05 |
| entil | to paraphrase that example from somerville's book, "I developed this windshield-wiper system in California, how could I have known it'd cause crashes in Washington State?" | 11:06 |
| chem|st | entil: lol | 11:06 |
| chem|st | entil: file a bug ;) | 11:06 |
| chem|st | I'd expect it to behave always the same, left edge is events | 11:07 |
| entil | every time I've filed a bug it's turned out to be a duplicate of something phrased in a way that I couldn't find it | 11:07 |
| TemeV | iirc that is known issue in release notes | 11:08 |
| TemeV | lock->events thing I mean | 11:08 |
| entil | oh the irony, firefox got stuck on me now | 11:09 |
| chem|st | TemeV: reading up | 11:09 |
| TemeV | "When there are no notifications on the lock screen, quick events access by left swipe takes you to Home instead of Events view." | 11:09 |
| TemeV | https://together.jolla.com/question/107685/release-notes-119eineheminlampi-released/#107685-known-issues | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | TemeV: you can enable that in settings somewhere i think | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | or will be able to | 11:10 |
| entil | that's not the same | 11:10 |
| entil | I have the left-edge-always-to-events enabled | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah ok | 11:10 |
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| chem|st | entil: in release notes first item of "known issues" | 11:11 |
| entil | I don't know if I should take this up anywhere, but android's textsecure client doesn't show my contacts; I tried disabling contact visibility for android but then the app doesn't start, so I doubt it's that kind of bug, but is there any chance that it's a sailfish issue? | 11:11 |
| entil | chem|st: the second issue happens a lot as well, even deleting images after taking them through the camera app causes weird lags | 11:12 |
| TemeV | entil: Whatsapp did the same for me. Iirc stopping and restarting android a couple of times fixed it | 11:12 |
| chem|st | entil: that is why it is a issue, be glad it is already known ;) | 11:12 |
| entil | I'd be much glader if instead of changing things that worked the dev effort would be put into the gallery not lagging, supporting some kind of folders for the gallery, having an easier way to create a new calendar (not just have birthdays through contact info) and stuff like that that might not be new to new users but seem completely broken | 11:14 |
| entil | having said that, still love the new events screen | 11:14 |
| entil | got to remember to say that, because it's good | 11:14 |
| _inte_ | chem|st: i want events on the bottom and not as part of the caroussel | 11:15 |
| _inte_ | imaging we have like 5 partner spaces | 11:15 |
| _inte_ | at which position should the events screen go then? | 11:16 |
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| coderus | partner space is only one | 11:16 |
| _inte_ | still, next to the homescreen? | 11:16 |
| chem|st | _inte_: the carousel does not work with 3+ pages | 11:16 |
| _inte_ | what is the caroussel good for then at all? | 11:16 |
| TemeV | nostalgy for the N9 users | 11:17 |
| _inte_ | so the so called caroussel is only the homescreen and the partnerspace? | 11:17 |
| _inte_ | and, for it to be not only two pages but become a REAL caroussel, they had to add events instead of leaving it seperate? | 11:18 |
| _inte_ | wow. | 11:18 |
| _inte_ | really clever :( | 11:18 |
| entil | the old events system was broken, it was partially an overlay and then kind of like an app and the weather thing was a worse clone of meecast - the new (or old n9) view is more consistent | 11:18 |
| _inte_ | as if there are so many people using the N9(50) that they NOW have to start adopting the genious jolla gestures to the legacy nokia stuff | 11:19 |
| entil | the proper hate is that there's no different swiping or pulling from the edges to change the view so we lost out on the cover actions | 11:19 |
| _inte_ | we lost the cover actions and i want the same action to the left as to the right | 11:19 |
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| _inte_ | im still opening events when i actually want to minimize apps, and minimize apps when i actually want to go to events | 11:20 |
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| _inte_ | thats because the required action is just the opposit when changing hands | 11:20 |
| entil | I _kinda_ miss the old ambience edge thing, and I definitely don't like clicking to lock the phone, but the swipable covers are a technical limitation (afaik and iirc this was established here on the channel) so we got to deal with it | 11:21 |
| _inte_ | like push thumb on one hand is pull thumb on the other | 11:21 |
| entil | and the partnerspace is apparently how the company's going to monetize so we shouldn't diss that either; high frigging time for something like that to come | 11:21 |
| _inte_ | so, as long as the jolla phone cannot recognize which hand the user holds it, having one sided gestures is a no-go | 11:21 |
| Lieke_ | i would prefer it if the ambiances where in the caroussel so we can get swipe to lock back | 11:21 |
| _inte_ | entil i would add as many partner spaces as they want, like one for the network provider, one for spotify... | 11:22 |
| _inte_ | Lieke_: swipe to lock is back | 11:22 |
| _inte_ | its a patch at present because edge swipes are broken in the current release | 11:22 |
| _inte_ | but you needend put the ambience in the caroussel | 11:22 |
| _inte_ | you could, though, why not | 11:23 |
| _inte_ | would also be nice | 11:23 |
| entil | patches are not "back" | 11:23 |
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| _inte_ | no | 11:23 |
| _inte_ | but they repair many of the bugs, glitches and issues of sf2.0 | 11:23 |
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| Lieke_ | i'm not using patches | 11:23 |
| _inte_ | Lieke_: you have to, at least for SF2.0, otherwise its not really functional at present | 11:24 |
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| _inte_ | btw it shouldnt be hard to make a coveractions swipe patch | 11:25 |
| _inte_ | which greps the pull action from home and leaves the edge swipes to the caroussel | 11:25 |
| Lieke_ | i'm mostly fine with the 2.0 ui, there are just small things i don't agree with | 11:25 |
| _inte_ | Lieke_: so youre the first person who likes the cover buttons :) | 11:25 |
| Lieke_ | no, i don't care about cover actions | 11:26 |
| _inte_ | i mean, it shouldnt be hard to make such a patch for someone who made patches before :) | 11:26 |
| _inte_ | Lieke_: I always hit the buttons by mistake | 11:26 |
| Lieke_ | i never had that happen since early access | 11:27 |
| _inte_ | tiny fingers... :) | 11:27 |
| Lieke_ | maybe ;) | 11:27 |
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| _inte_ | gtg | 11:28 |
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| Armadillo | any information what happened to intex Aqua Fish? I need to select a work phone and a Sailfish device with dual sim would be great | 11:47 |
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| taaem | Does someone now what this startup is doing? https://twitter.com/SoluMachines solu.co I read so often about them lately | 11:48 |
| taaem | Armadillo: shouldn't it be announced in October/November? | 11:48 |
| Armadillo | I thought there were no information about announcement and release, but I can be wrong | 11:49 |
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| attah | i'm not sure whether to be happy or worried.. this time the reset worked | 17:33 |
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| attah | in other news.. the tablet has been dispatched, not just booked for shipping. Expected deliver is on Friday! :O:O:O | 17:54 |
| r0kk3rz | yay toys | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | attah: 'booked for shipping'? | 18:22 |
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| attah | Stskeeps: shipping label printed i immagine | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:23 |
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| attah | that was the status up until today.. now it has actual progress | 18:24 |
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| stephg | attah: cool | 20:01 |
| * stephg patiently waits | 20:01 | |
| attah | yeah.. i'm really excited | 20:02 |
| attah | being quick pays off it seems :) | 20:02 |
| adherry | hmm, anyone else gets a good bit more of battery time since “2.0”? | 20:02 |
| attah | adherry: with no android apps running, yes | 20:03 |
| attah | otherwise no | 20:03 |
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| sledges | thanks to smoku and RobertMe, pebble time for sailfishos now receives all notifications/texts/emails/music controls \o/ my gf is up in the sky :D | 20:17 |
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| sledges | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1482225#post1482225 | 20:17 |
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| sledges | (old news for some, probably;) | 20:17 |
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| Helle | eh, I just ended up downgrading SailfishOS, the 2.0 UI just doesn't work for me on a phone.... | 21:27 |
| Helle | One of the main facepalms I run into is that presence is now several clicks away | 21:29 |
| raa700_ | I've never used that | 21:30 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle, that should be a bit better in the next release | 21:35 |
| r0kk3rz | when you can have settings pinned to the events view | 21:35 |
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| twaapo | 2.0 is definitely less usable than 1.x was | 22:07 |
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| Helle | the real eh though is, I really badly want gstreamer 1.0 , heh | 22:28 |
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