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| marja | AL13N: last night, my Jolla decided to reboot and since then tap + swipe fromt he side is enough to get the unlock screen :-) ... I don't think there was a related update before, but admit not having looked closely at which three things I was updating | 07:23 |
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| the_mgt | inte_away: I had aggressive oom and laggyness after upgrade too. somebody here recommended to clean the battery contacts and I did. after that, oom and laggyness are both fixed. question is now: was it the cleaning or simply the removal of the battery for a few minutes | 07:33 |
| the_mgt | the contacts did not seem to be dirty at all | 07:33 |
| ggabriel | i can't say i experience aggressive lag, but I did notice some lag | 07:34 |
| ggabriel | esp around maps/browser (when used together) | 07:35 |
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| ggabriel | i'd probably blame the applications initially... | 07:35 |
| ggabriel | the browser is better though | 07:35 |
| tbr | the_mgt: cleaning is if you have shutdown issues | 07:35 |
| tbr | and yes, they might look clean, but there might be a tiny oxide layer | 07:35 |
| tbr | and if battery level jumps around, especially in the lower levels | 07:36 |
| the_mgt | I did not have shutdown issues, I only had all my applications closed and sometimes a warm reboot, where I had tp enter the pin | 07:36 |
| the_mgt | also, other network issues | 07:36 |
| the_mgt | since yesterday morning, phone seems pretty stable | 07:37 |
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| the_mgt | still, the question is, why should the battery or a short battery removal correlate to oom behaviour? | 07:41 |
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| inte | the_mgt: morning. how would cleaning the battery solve the oom issue_ | 07:50 |
| inte | ? | 07:50 |
| inte | I quite dont get it | 07:50 |
| the_mgt | me neither, but the phone is running now 24h without killing any app | 07:51 |
| the_mgt | and without any lags | 07:51 |
| inte | ok... | 07:51 |
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| ggabriel | if I had to guess, I'd say that if you don't get the right voltage some components may be funny (imagine RAM losing data and all that) | 07:52 |
| inte | well have it set to 75 now | 07:52 |
| ggabriel | similar to when you build your own PC and the power supply is a crappy one | 07:52 |
| ggabriel | I never had problems with my batteries though... | 07:53 |
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| inte | well, it doesnt survice reboot | 07:53 |
| inte | so i reset oom to 75 | 07:54 |
| inte | oh | 07:56 |
| inte | there is a comment by tigeli saying altering overcommit ratio wouldnt change anything | 07:56 |
| inte | is that true? | 07:56 |
| inte | i have the impression it does/allows more apps to stz open | 07:56 |
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| tigeli | inte: yes it is true | 08:19 |
| inte | tigeli: so altering the ratio wouldnt change anything? | 08:19 |
| inte | i have the strong impression it does... | 08:20 |
| tigeli | inte: well.. you can read the kernel source :D | 08:20 |
| tigeli | inte: if /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory is true.. every malloc will succeed | 08:20 |
| inte | :) | 08:20 |
| inte | so what is the ratio good for then? | 08:21 |
| tigeli | inte: if the /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory is set to false :) | 08:21 |
| tigeli | inte: I would suggest disabling lowmemorykiller if you want to keep it not killing apps | 08:21 |
| inte | well i think i dont want it to be so harsh | 08:22 |
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| inte | apps are killed very early especially when the dalvik vm is running | 08:22 |
| inte | if it doesnt kill apps at all my phone could probably be rendered unuseable | 08:23 |
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| tigeli | inte: the limits which have been set now.. are very much the limits after which setting them any higher will make the phone perfomance much more worse (as in UI latency...) | 08:24 |
| inte | ok so the limits were differen in 1.1.7? | 08:24 |
| tigeli | no | 08:24 |
| inte | or is the new ui just consuming more memory? | 08:25 |
| tigeli | inte: personally I don't see any difference between 1.1.7 and 1.1.9 with my usage | 08:25 |
| tigeli | inte: do you have something like facebook android-app installed? | 08:25 |
| tigeli | as the new facebook consumes ~200MB memory | 08:25 |
| inte | no | 08:25 |
| inte | im using quizduell | 08:25 |
| inte | and whatsapp | 08:25 |
| inte | and textsecure, sometimes | 08:26 |
| inte | but it could well be my btrfs is getting low again | 08:26 |
| tigeli | there were some memory leaks fixed before the 1.1.9.x was released but.. that could explain something if all of them were not fixed | 08:26 |
| inte | ok | 08:27 |
| tigeli | however the lowmemorykiller-rules have not been changed between the releases | 08:27 |
| inte | i just thought i will clean my btrfs in the first place | 08:27 |
| tigeli | s/rules/policies/ | 08:27 |
| inte | s? | 08:27 |
| tigeli | sed -e 's/change this/to this/' ;) | 08:27 |
| inte | aah | 08:28 |
| inte | now i saw where you wrote "rules" before | 08:28 |
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| inte | mh, how long does shipping take from finland to germany | 10:15 |
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| inte | since jolla promised to ship until oct. 6th | 10:15 |
| inte | i would be happy to see a shipping notice shortly :-) | 10:16 |
| tbr | aren't they shipping from .hk? | 10:16 |
| inte | are they? | 10:16 |
| inte | oh, wow, yeah | 10:16 |
| inte | makes sense | 10:16 |
| inte | since we had to pay tax seperatly | 10:16 |
| inte | unlike for the phone | 10:16 |
| tbr | also did they promise to ship out or that it would arrive by that date? | 10:16 |
| inte | but on the other hand, they ship case and tablet together | 10:16 |
| * tbr still hasn't received an email about payment | 10:17 | |
| inte | and i dare they ship saperatly | 10:17 |
| inte | tbr some people at tjc claim they could already pay even without notice | 10:17 |
| tbr | interesting | 10:17 |
| inte | i wouldnt rely on that though | 10:17 |
| inte | someone already posted his order was later canceled | 10:18 |
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| inte | but true, oct. 6th could be the date it should go into shipping | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | someone paid | 10:19 |
| inte | not delivery | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | and they got an email saying "you paid, it's ok, but join the queue" | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | the good thing about paying early is that you don't have to worry about it when you do get the email | 10:19 |
| inte | "It will take us up to 10 business days to process your order and pick and pack it. We will notify you by email once the parcel is dispatched." | 10:20 |
| inte | paid on 22th | 10:20 |
| inte | time is runing out :-) | 10:20 |
| inte | im number 75 | 10:21 |
| inte | :) | 10:21 |
| Helle | wait, why don't I have the e-mail yet to even get the tablet ? | 10:21 |
| inte | not to bad i hope | 10:21 |
| Helle | I wasn't that late in the campaign | 10:21 |
| inte | Helle: depends on when you ordered | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | only a few got it | 10:21 |
| inte | not even all 189 perks got their notice yet | 10:21 |
| inte | maybe only about 200 ppl | 10:22 |
| inte | first 200 or sth | 10:22 |
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| JvD_ | I think I am more than 200. in queue and ordered 18min later than my friend and he is <20 | 10:22 |
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| inte | well someone brought up the magic 200 on tjc | 10:23 |
| inte | i also think im rather 400 or sth | 10:23 |
| inte | nevermind, got my notice :) | 10:23 |
| Helle | November 19, 2014 appaerently | 10:23 |
| inte | Helle: hu? | 10:23 |
| Helle | inte: that was when I backed it | 10:24 |
| inte | was it the first day? | 10:24 |
| JvD_ | we did a bit anlyzing on igg and result was I am 228th | 10:24 |
| Helle | inte: sadly it doesn't show when it started | 10:24 |
| * tbr will be happy if it arrives less than a year after payment... | 10:24 | |
| inte | JvD_: can you check for me? | 10:24 |
| inte | Im curious | 10:24 |
| JvD_ | I was earlier than tbr =) | 10:24 |
| inte | hehe | 10:24 |
| inte | JvD_: how did you perform analyzing on IGG? | 10:25 |
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| JvD_ | dumped data from igg backerslist and then a bit sorting magic | 10:26 |
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| Helle | that was the first day appaerently | 10:26 |
| Helle | and I haven't gotten an e-mail | 10:26 |
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| inte | JvD_: can you dcc me that file? | 10:27 |
| Helle | ffs | 10:27 |
| inte | how did you dump that list? | 10:28 |
| JvD_ | curl | 10:29 |
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| Helle | right, sent a message to Jolla to ask "wtf is up with that" | 10:31 |
| inte | JvD and you get the entire list with curl? | 10:31 |
| inte | its loaded dynamically | 10:32 |
| JvD_ | not entire list | 10:33 |
| JvD_ | end of the list that we where interested on | 10:33 |
| inte | ah | 10:34 |
| inte | ok | 10:34 |
| inte | i need the start | 10:34 |
| inte | but im not too much in the mood of klicking through the entire list :) | 10:34 |
| tbr | you mean the same thing | 10:34 |
| JvD_ | yep | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | Helle: i think "shut up and take my money" works better :P | 10:35 |
| JvD_ | there is no inte on my list | 10:35 |
| Helle | ggabriel: well, they already took my money | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | but yeah, don't worry, you're not the only one waiting and they did say don't worry | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | in the last blog | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | Helle: more money | 10:35 |
| Helle | ggabriel: oh, sure, and that is what I'd like to be done with :) | 10:35 |
| Helle | although I am pondering stuffing SailfishOS on some budget tablets for my personal enjoyment | 10:36 |
| Helle | I have a chinese elcheapo tablet which has *gasp* a full working, Android build tree for download | 10:37 |
| Helle | which is the rarest thing ever :P | 10:37 |
| inte | I like the idea putting sfos on the raspi | 10:38 |
| inte | could be fun with the new touchscreen which was introduced recently | 10:38 |
| Helle | Well, I've been pondering porting the core tech to HDMI sticks | 10:38 |
| Helle | I use HDMI sticks for "We need a display with dynamic information but no interaction" quite a bit | 10:39 |
| Helle | but currently a bit hung up on finding decent sticks | 10:39 |
| stephg | inte: https://sailpi.wordpress.com/ (is locusf's) | 10:39 |
| tbr | Helle: the intel based ones could be interesting | 10:39 |
| Helle | tbr: way too expensive for "we have an old screen" | 10:40 |
| Helle | tbr: I'm probably going to get it working on http://kinoma.com/buy/hd-reserve.php but those probably won't be sold for a while and after the initial batch, hard to get | 10:40 |
| inte | stephg: cool :) | 10:40 |
| inte | since the jolla tablet features usbhost | 10:41 |
| inte | what about displaylink usb graphics | 10:41 |
| inte | that could be fun as well | 10:41 |
| tbr | linux drivers only exist for the older displaylink chipsets | 10:42 |
| Helle | Armada stuff is just low-end ARM, but that is fine for Qt, 256MB of RAM is a bit tight, but actually not bad for single application | 10:42 |
| Helle | so I should be okay doing the port | 10:42 |
| Helle | (and ofcourse Kinoma and Marvell are American companies, so GPL enforcement actually means a thing) | 10:43 |
| inte | tbr: nevermind, as long as they work | 10:44 |
| inte | its rather a question if its in the sfos kernel or if the community would have to build the modules | 10:44 |
| Helle | But I am looking forward to a fast, small tablet :) | 10:45 |
| inte | I have no personal experience with display link on linux though | 10:45 |
| Helle | inte: it's shit | 10:45 |
| inte | hehe | 10:45 |
| Helle | inte: but sometimes you can get it to work | 10:45 |
| inte | for the tablet, it could be fun | 10:45 |
| Helle | oh, that is something I still need to publish | 10:45 |
| inte | given the fact that kde5 has been ported to wayland | 10:45 |
| Helle | I have hacked up something that means you can LD_PRELOAD and then all QtMultimedia elements become flingable (although the fling target is currently a bit of a hairy hack) | 10:46 |
| Helle | so if someone codes it up, you can fling it to a chromecast equivilent | 10:46 |
| Helle | just anything that uses QtMultimedia, with most of the controls still working, etc | 10:46 |
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| inte | sorry for my ignorance, but what does "fling" stand for? | 10:47 |
| Helle | inte: "send to another device" | 10:47 |
| inte | ah | 10:47 |
| inte | if there is no reasonable loss in speed it could be fun | 10:48 |
| inte | i was always thinking about getting a cheap android stick for my tv | 10:48 |
| Helle | inte: that is the beauty of QtMultimedia, in most cases the fling target can simply reopen the media stream | 10:48 |
| inte | mostly to get the "SkyGO" app work | 10:48 |
| Helle | without hassle | 10:48 |
| inte | sound cool | 10:48 |
| tadzik | https://github.com/mapsme/omim oh oh | 10:48 |
| inte | s | 10:49 |
| Helle | inte: and yeah, if I am going to code up a fling target, it's likely to run on Android aswell, as I also have an Android HDMI Stick as my main thing | 10:49 |
| inte | cool please publish it somewhere then :) | 10:49 |
| Helle | yes, I will | 10:50 |
| Helle | currently it's "duct-tape" | 10:50 |
| Helle | the only fling target is a desktop thingy that is horribad | 10:50 |
| tbr | duct-tape is like the force, it has a dark side and a bright side and it holds the universe together | 10:50 |
| coderus | double-sided duct tape? | 10:51 |
| inte | tbr: +1 :) | 10:52 |
| Helle | coderus: that is just evil | 10:52 |
| inte | did someone actually manage to connect an arduino board to TOH? | 10:57 |
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| tbr | inte: the mytoh or what it was by kimmoli would be ideal for such tinkering | 10:59 |
| kimmoli | i have connected arduino-kind of thing to jolla | 11:00 |
| tbr | inte: if you are interested, I might still have one fully populated, if not then blank pcbs | 11:00 |
| kimmoli | just check the voltages, and use https://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/MasterWriter "Slave receiver code" on arduino | 11:02 |
| inte | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/749835103/hamshield-for-arduino-vhf-uhf-transceiver | 11:02 |
| inte | could be fun | 11:02 |
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| Helle | pfff, I still am tempted to brush up on CAD and redesign the KBDTOH to have a better balance | 11:03 |
| inte | does anybody have a united account? | 11:03 |
| Helle | because that is why I only use the KBD when I am sitting down and not on a train | 11:03 |
| inte | is there any way to backup the data | 11:03 |
| inte | or do i have to mark each element and download it seperately? | 11:04 |
| Helle | (well, I guess a redesign would involve having a N900 or N7 like mechanism where the battery lives on a Jolla and putting the battery under the keyboard, to improve weight distribution) | 11:05 |
| kimmoli | inte: that RDA1846 is I2C directly, so you do not need arduino inbetween | 11:06 |
| inte | haha, that would be even cooler :-) | 11:07 |
| inte | still working on my ham license though | 11:07 |
| inte | but will have by end of the year | 11:07 |
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| kimmoli | need the check that out, power consumption might need its own battery, and audio. | 11:08 |
| kimmoli | but making it to work should not be too difficult. making a toh out of it.. | 11:09 |
| inte | +1 :) | 11:10 |
| inte | https://enhanced-radio-devices.myshopify.com/ | 11:14 |
| inte | its only 99$ | 11:14 |
| inte | i guess i'll get one as soon i receive my license | 11:14 |
| kimmoli | need th check where pwm/adc is used | 11:16 |
| kimmoli | hmm CTCSS support | 11:17 |
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| AL13N_work | so, is there a wait now for tablets or are they already busy with ordering/shipping for the others? | 11:19 |
| inte | AL13N_work: nothing official on that but since they claimed a ten day period for the first people who received their invitation on Sept. 22th they _should_ be busy shipping at the moment :) | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | inte: erm | 11:22 |
| inte | erm? | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | 22/sep + 10 days = 5 oct | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | and that's shipping | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | so the expectation is that they'll post the tablets 5 oct | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | or 6th, if the 10 days start counting the day after you paid | 11:22 |
| AL13N_work | right, so they are shipping the first 200 then | 11:22 |
| inte | well ok but they probably wouldnt ship all tablets on one day | 11:22 |
| inte | or pack them | 11:23 |
| inte | means they are currently busy | 11:23 |
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| ggabriel | inte: i'm with you, but expect the worst ;) | 11:23 |
| inte | probably | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | they should be busy packing, yeah | 11:23 |
| inte | hehehe | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | and calculating taxes/fees etc | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | rather, just fees | 11:23 |
| AL13N_work | basically, next week or so, they start sending out order invites for the others? | 11:24 |
| inte | its different versions (32gb/64gb) and different orders (like with/without case etc.) | 11:24 |
| ggabriel | inte: you'd better do an unboxing video btw | 11:24 |
| inte | i will | 11:24 |
| inte | or at least some pics | 11:24 |
| ggabriel | i don't expect much, but if you can put some nice background music, that'd be great :P | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | just kidding, enjoy your tablet when you get it | 11:25 |
| AL13N_work | Dethklok - Go Into The Water | 11:32 |
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| SQUelcher | inte: try if is is water/fire/bulletproof :P | 11:36 |
| SQUelcher | will it bend? ;) | 11:37 |
| inte | haha | 11:37 |
| SQUelcher | blend | 11:37 |
| SQUelcher | of course | 11:37 |
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| ggabriel | big blender though | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | i bet that's why apple and friends are making big phones nowadays | 11:38 |
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| inte | if find the most recent security issue in win7 quite amusing | 12:33 |
| Helle | what did they do this time ? | 12:33 |
| Helle | so appaerently EVEN if you got in on the first day, they haven't sent out a e-mail to everyone | 12:34 |
| inte | seems like some people managed to distribute trojanes through the offical windows update service :-) | 12:34 |
| ggabriel | Helle: remember what happened the first day ;) they pretty much reached the target | 12:35 |
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| pp_ | inte: official line it was just a harmless test update that made it out by accident | 12:41 |
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| Helle | ggabriel: still feel like I gave them enough, upgraded to 64GB and added in the Lastu case | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | Helle: did you read the last blog post? | 12:43 |
| Helle | ggabriel: yeah, it's more the feeling | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | but you understand that this was just a test, right? | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | so to avoid the issues they had with the phone | 12:44 |
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| inte | pp_: sure, with randomly generated domain names:-) | 12:55 |
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| chem|st | inte: RSVP was 28th | 13:01 |
| inte | RSCP? | 13:02 |
| inte | what do you mean? | 13:02 |
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| chem|st | group1 tablet order was RSVP till 28th | 13:03 |
| chem|st | pardon my 'french' | 13:04 |
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| inte | ah yeah so you mean its 28th+10days? | 13:29 |
| inte | but i guess i got a notification claiming oct. 6th as shipping date | 13:30 |
| inte | or, until 6th oct or sth. | 13:30 |
| inte | what does rsvp stand for at all? | 13:30 |
| inte | read it before but simply forgot | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | inte: acknowledge invitation but in french | 13:32 |
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| inte | hu | 13:43 |
| inte | then i confuse it with sth | 13:44 |
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| inte | jey, just reached karma 2000 :-) | 14:04 |
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| inte | vote for me: https://together.jolla.com/question/113005/feature-request-bring-back-the-old-style-events-screen-gesture/?comment=113277#comment-113277 | 14:06 |
| inte | :) | 14:06 |
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| flux | meh, the new gestures are just fine.. :) | 14:09 |
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| inte | pff :) | 14:11 |
| inte | I think it would be great if the user could choose between events where it was before OR events where it is now. The previous arangement had great advantages for mobile use, maybe the new arangement works better on the tablet | 14:12 |
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| lainwir3d | Don't know, but I like the new event view better | 14:26 |
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| Tofe | I'm not shocked either. It's possible to quickly access it from right swipe everywhere, so why not. I just regret the loss of the cover swipes, and the obvious non-usage of the carroussel possibilities. | 14:33 |
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| TMavica | my Jolla vibrate is dead.. | 15:00 |
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| Tegu | TMavica: welcome to the club :( | 15:04 |
| TMavica | i do the test, I need shake it to make it vibrate | 15:04 |
| Tegu | yea, same here | 15:04 |
| Tegu | and then it stops working at some point again | 15:04 |
| TMavica | I just remove the back cover to see, it is a little vibrator, clean the dust still nil help | 15:05 |
| Tegu | do you have warranty left? I don't :( I still had about a year ago when it last happened | 15:06 |
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| TMavica | it is the first one device | 15:06 |
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| silver_hook | Just wanted to let you know, I like the changes in SFOS 2.0 ☺ | 15:28 |
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| Tegu | wait, what: http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm how come can my jolla have only one year of warranty? it was bought from a shop instead of jolla website | 15:30 |
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| Tegu | meh, good luck on trying to prove.. " But, after six months in most EU countries you also need to prove yourself that the defect already existed on receipt of the goods, for example, by showing that the defect is due to the poor quality of materials used." | 15:33 |
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| silver_hook | Tegu: https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html | 15:43 |
| schoppenhauer | hi. I damaged my jolla | 15:43 |
| schoppenhauer | s screen ... | 15:43 |
| schoppenhauer | is it a good idea to buy some foil and put it over the screen? | 15:43 |
| raa700_ | isn't it a bit late | 15:45 |
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| schoppenhauer | late? | 15:46 |
| schoppenhauer | I found http://www.ebay.de/itm/6x-Schutzfolie-UltraClear-fur-Jolla-Jolla-/360839203856?hash=item5403b14c10 | 15:46 |
| tbr | late may depend on the kind of damage | 15:47 |
| tbr | if it's a mere scratch, sure | 15:47 |
| tbr | if it's shattered... | 15:47 |
| schoppenhauer | raa700_: well, it is just a crack. it doesn't really disturb me. but I am afraid that it proceeds cracking or attracts dirt over time. | 15:47 |
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| schoppenhauer | tbr: ok. so you think it might be a good idea? | 15:48 |
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| tbr | schoppenhauer: I have no particular opinion | 15:49 |
| tbr | especially as I don't know how it cracked | 15:49 |
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| schoppenhauer | ok | 15:50 |
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| schoppenhauer | then I'll just try. | 15:50 |
| schoppenhauer | because ... nothing to lose, except 10$. | 15:51 |
| schoppenhauer | no, 1,99€ | 15:51 |
| schoppenhauer | thank you! | 15:53 |
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| Guest | guys, do you know if all tablet preorders were contacted already? | 15:59 |
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| tbr | no | 15:59 |
| artemma | didn't get email about mine yet | 15:59 |
| artemma | oh, ok | 15:59 |
| artemma | thx | 15:59 |
| tbr | they only did a small preflight batch | 15:59 |
| tbr | to test THE PROCESS™ | 15:59 |
| artemma | geez, that takes time | 16:00 |
| cb400f | guess there are issues to be ironed out with "the process", or the first people would have started receiving their tablets around now ;-) | 16:00 |
| artemma | yeah, I don't remember seeing many photos of tablet unpackaging on twitter | 16:01 |
| artemma | though didn't watch carefully | 16:01 |
| artemma | then delivery time is around end of october i guess.. | 16:02 |
| artemma | sad | 16:02 |
| artemma | Though it gives SfietKonstantinW time to finish twitter client for tablet :) | 16:03 |
| cb400f | there should be a ketchup effect once "the process" is in order I would expect | 16:03 |
| cb400f | the "invitations" to order were sent on sept. 22 afaict | 16:03 |
| artemma | didn't get mine yet | 16:04 |
| cb400f | me neither... and iirc I pledged on day 1... but late on the day | 16:04 |
| artemma | that's why asking, I wonder if email got lost somewhere (my spam filter?) or maybe not everybody was contacted yet | 16:04 |
| cb400f | only a small test group got the invitation.. I'm assuming maybe a few dozen people | 16:05 |
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| artemma | *sigh*, it would be so useful AND cool AND easy if JollaHQ had some sort of a "preorders shipping" widget on the web | 16:05 |
| cb400f | there is logistics and stuff to organize properly before going large scale | 16:05 |
| cb400f | and in the meantime we have sfos2.0 on the phone to keep us busy ;-) | 16:07 |
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| Yaniel | interesting... https://puri.sm | 20:20 |
| Yaniel | they claim to be (almost) 100% blob-free | 20:21 |
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| pdanek | Still no news about Intex? :( | 23:33 |
| pdanek | I can't wait. | 23:34 |
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