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| SHIHUA | morning, | 02:51 |
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| SHIHUA | i hate the interface that we get/miss a phone | 02:53 |
| SHIHUA | i am often wrong. . | 02:53 |
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| SHIHUA | now i received too many messages.but i can just one by one. | 02:55 |
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| the_mgt | https://together.jolla.com/question/108599/11928-alarming-oom-behavior-killing-apps/ so others are experiencing similar stuff as I am. Only that sometimes all my apps including the covers are closed | 08:15 |
| the_mgt | I cleaned my battery contacts earlier today, will see if it is better now | 08:15 |
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| the_mgt | (contacts on the phone and on the battery, both of them. also post it under the battery) | 08:16 |
| Temppu-Teme | the_mgt: earlier OOM killer problems were the reason i switched from Jolla :/ | 08:17 |
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| Smar | only platform I’ve had problems with oom killer is iOS :P | 08:19 |
| the_mgt | Temppu-Teme: it was fine until the latest update. there was a short period after some early access update, but it got fixed when it was a proper release | 08:20 |
| the_mgt | Smar: at least they try to hide it in a charming way on ios | 08:21 |
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| Smar | the_mgt: how so? | 08:27 |
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| the_mgt | Smar: in the "tab view", where you see all your open apps, it looks as if they are still open. the tablet doesnt close all apps and pretends they were never open in the first place | 08:31 |
| Smar | android does same | 08:31 |
| Smar | but I never considered those to say it’s ”open” | 08:31 |
| Smar | it’s just list of apps you’ve recently used | 08:31 |
| Smar | even knowing how to close an app from that is not that intuitive :P | 08:32 |
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| the_mgt | Smar: I am talking about this view were you can close apps by pushing them to the top of the screen. I guess you are, too | 08:34 |
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| Smar | yes | 08:34 |
| the_mgt | the thing is, ios is gesture based in a lot of places and it feels wrong, but this view is about right and works just fine | 08:35 |
| Smar | dunno, it took some time to realize how it worked for me | 08:35 |
| Smar | and many people I know don’t even know about it | 08:35 |
| Smar | before it was a topic | 08:35 |
| the_mgt | I probably read about it somewhere. I use it to close the umpteen gaming apps my son has recently played | 08:35 |
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| Smar | hehe | 08:35 |
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| the_mgt | the big difference is probably that I view the ipad as a toy and a leisure device, I have no important email accounts configured, etc. so i don't feel "insulted" by the behavior of the device. while my jolla is my primamry phone with 6 email accounts, etc and it drives me nuts when it is not working properly | 08:37 |
| ggabriel | the_mgt: just don't take it too personal :) | 08:38 |
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| Temppu-Teme | gotta love the word 'umpteen', only ever saw it used by Jeff Atwood :) | 08:42 |
| Yaniel | really? I've seen it all over | 08:42 |
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| Temppu-Teme | maybe i don't go through enough semi-formal english content :D | 08:44 |
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| Smar | the_mgt: yeah, I got mine by free, mostly use smartgo books with it :P | 08:54 |
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| Smar | (only program that’s only for iOS, sadly) | 08:54 |
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| ggabriel | ok, browsing tjc is a bit sad... more people want the UI to be more android/ios like | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | and even more people support that :S | 09:52 |
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| ggabriel | in the meantime, ios copied smart cover actions in the crappiest possible way, and fanbois are excited about it :P | 09:57 |
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| lainwir3d | ggabriel: you're joking right ? Apple copied it ? | 09:59 |
| lainwir3d | Damn, they never stop. | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | you can now tap on certain "apps" and a menu appears with actions | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | e.g., send an sms | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | so, it isn't as good as sfos, but it's roughly the same concept | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | not limited to 2 actions | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | simpsons did it | 10:00 |
| lainwir3d | :-/ | 10:00 |
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| Smar | also, there’s been some keyboard-tries on new releases again :P | 10:04 |
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| Helle | I want the SFOS to be either where it is now, or degenerate to the state of Maemo on the N900, but uh, yeah, iOS is bad and Android is close to unusable garbage UI wise | 10:05 |
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| ggabriel | yeah, fanbois are really excited about how you can now long press somewhere and you can use gestures on a grayed keyboard to navigate with the cursor | 10:05 |
| ggabriel | really handy. | 10:05 |
| Helle | she says, typing this on an Android tablet convertible | 10:05 |
| Helle | I mean Android has it's uses and it's not unusable, but it's UI is not a selling point | 10:05 |
| Helle | nor is it's Operating System design, why can't an Android phone emulate a Bluetooth keyboard..... (the answer is, Google is lazy) | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | Helle: but neither can ios | 10:06 |
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| ggabriel | that's why all these "apps" need wifi to connect to cameras and so on | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | and that has become a standard now | 10:07 |
| Helle | ggabriel: ugh | 10:07 |
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| Helle | ggabriel: I mean I use an old Sony Ericsson phone as a remote control with Bluetooth keyboard and mouse support | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | so, you buy a fancy camera with wifi not because the camera can do cool things, but because bluetooth can't be used to communicate with phones. ah well | 10:07 |
| Helle | and when I say old, I mean 7 years old or so | 10:07 |
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| ggabriel | i have no idea how you pulled that off :P | 10:08 |
| Helle | ggabriel: oh, Android can do all sorts of fancy things over Bluetooth, it just can't do it using the standard profiles | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | I suspect that bluetooth is quite inaccessible from an "app" perspective | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | interesting | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | so maybe it's steve jobs's fault then, not so much larry page's | 10:08 |
| Helle | ggabriel: on the old SE, it was just a basic application pre-installed on the phone and you can load custom profiles on it (tar.gz files with XML and PNG in them to define them) | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | oic | 10:09 |
| Helle | ggabriel: well, on Android you still can't make it play Bluetooth HID, or Bluetooth SPP | 10:09 |
| Helle | ofcourse since Android 3 moved to Bluez (instead of a custom bluetooth stack), if you root an Android device, you can play HID client just fine, but just not via any official API | 10:10 |
| ggabriel | well, of course, if you root the device you can do many things :) | 10:11 |
| * ggabriel remembers when ios used to come with a terminal ootb | 10:11 | |
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| Helle | ggabriel: more that, this is just a case of Google refusing to expose the API that internally exists | 10:12 |
| Helle | the same one I actually use on SailfishOS to create this functionality | 10:12 |
| ggabriel | all of this makes me very sad | 10:14 |
| Helle | yes it does | 10:14 |
| * ggabriel going back to his c-64 | 10:14 | |
| Helle | it is why I am not a big fan of closed source software | 10:14 |
| Helle | we keeep regressing in functionality | 10:15 |
| Helle | like my N900 /had/ embedded Skype support, but as it's closed source and a closed protocol, on my Jolla phone, I am stuck with a dedicated, battery draining app | 10:15 |
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| Helle | the UI middleware being closed on SFOS is probably the best compromise I've seen | 10:17 |
| Helle | as well, it's actually very little code to interact with, yet has a huge effect on the uniquejness | 10:18 |
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| phlixi_ | in the meantime one could implement skype (at least text based chat), since one could now use the webinterface, right? (yeah, of course, skype is still evil^^) | 10:28 |
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| inte | hello | 11:17 |
| inte | what do you people think about my idea I pointed out here: https://together.jolla.com/question/113005/feature-request-bring-back-the-old-style-events-screen-gesture/ | 11:18 |
| Bysmyyr | is something happened past 2 weeks exept update to all(I was travelling) | 11:18 |
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| inte | Bysmyyr Registrationd for tablet shipment have started | 11:21 |
| inte | apart from that... | 11:21 |
| inte | Nope. | 11:21 |
| Bysmyyr | ah yeah, I filled that already | 11:21 |
| inte | SF2.0 still sucks :) | 11:21 |
| inte | +1 | 11:22 |
| inte | me too :) | 11:22 |
| inte | Is coderus around? | 11:22 |
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| inte | Would it be possible to fix the screen arrangement in SF2.0 through patchmanager patch? | 11:23 |
| coderus | sure | 11:24 |
| Bysmyyr | I have not updated yet, I did not wanted to do it before trip and I come back yesterday | 11:24 |
| inte | cool | 11:24 |
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| coderus | what you want to change? | 11:24 |
| inte | You will have a virtually completely different phone afterwards :) | 11:24 |
| inte | https://together.jolla.com/question/113005/feature-request-bring-back-the-old-style-events-screen-gesture/ | 11:24 |
| inte | like accessing events like in 1.7 | 11:25 |
| inte | and access carousel frim events, not from home | 11:25 |
| inte | including fixing cover actions :) | 11:25 |
| coderus | well, no. i like sfos2.0 | 11:26 |
| inte | uh | 11:26 |
| coderus | i can point you in doing so, but i wont do it myself | 11:26 |
| inte | sad :) | 11:26 |
| inte | ok i might come back to you | 11:26 |
| coderus | eventsview is always accessible by swipe from left | 11:26 |
| inte | im on my phone right now | 11:26 |
| inte | yes i know but i tend to always swipe to the wring side since i change hands pretty often:) | 11:27 |
| coderus | you need to teach | 11:27 |
| coderus | give it a while | 11:27 |
| Tofe | coderus: from inside an app? I don't have that behavior here | 11:27 |
| inte | tofe in settings | 11:28 |
| inte | activate quick access | 11:28 |
| Tofe | ok | 11:28 |
| coderus | Tofe: go to settings - gestures and enable quick access events | 11:28 |
| Tofe | ah, much better :) | 11:28 |
| Tofe | I saw this setting when I upgraded, but didn't activate it, dunno why | 11:29 |
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| inte | regarding the oom behavior | 11:37 |
| inte | is that a configuration issue? | 11:38 |
| inte | like, could i edit some settings to stop it killing apps that early? | 11:38 |
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| inte | like a threshold or sth? | 11:38 |
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| inte | it's not really multitasking when apps are frequently closed while in background IMHO | 11:39 |
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| TemeV | inte: it can be configured, there was some instructions in tmo iirc | 11:41 |
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| inte | cool ill check that | 11:49 |
| inte | probably kernel parameter or sth | 11:49 |
| chem|st | number of pages iirc | 11:50 |
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| Helle | ugh, still no e-mail, getting a little annoyinh | 17:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | well thats a bit weird | 17:17 |
| r0kk3rz | the lockscreen acts differently depending on whether the device is locked or not | 17:17 |
| coderus | what you mean? :) | 17:18 |
| r0kk3rz | if not locked, you get the big fade in and animated elements | 17:18 |
| r0kk3rz | but if its locked, it has no fade in and no arrows | 17:18 |
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| coderus | how do you access lockscreen if phone is not locked? :) | 17:19 |
| r0kk3rz | coderus: single tap power button to put into standby, single press again to activate | 17:19 |
| r0kk3rz | from unlocked home | 17:19 |
| r0kk3rz | then do the same, but double press power button to standby | 17:20 |
| coderus | sorry i have doublepress activating flashlight | 17:20 |
| coderus | so can't test :) | 17:20 |
| r0kk3rz | oh fair enough | 17:20 |
| coderus | but original doublepress is designed to fast unlock | 17:21 |
| r0kk3rz | double press to lock, not unlock | 17:21 |
| r0kk3rz | single press to unlock | 17:21 |
| coderus | no idea what doublepress to lock does | 17:21 |
| r0kk3rz | double press when unlocked cancels the lock wait timer | 17:22 |
| r0kk3rz | so the phone is instantly locked and requires pin | 17:22 |
| r0kk3rz | mmm, i think is bug, only seems to happen sometimes | 17:23 |
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| kimmoli | as expected | 17:31 |
| the_mgt | hm, tripple press for flash light would be nice | 17:37 |
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| the_mgt | or long press | 17:37 |
| the_mgt | and a flashlight app that always works, the current one needs unlocking in order to use ot properly | 17:38 |
| coderus | triple action is not supported by mce | 17:38 |
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| the_mgt | coderus: then they should implement it | 17:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | and quadruple press | 17:51 |
| r0kk3rz | and sos morse code press | 17:51 |
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| coderus | yeah | 17:57 |
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| the_mgt | r0kk3rz: that would be superb | 18:13 |
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| narchie | can I pay vat | 18:25 |
| narchie | I would also like to pay 200% vat, for the excellent service | 18:25 |
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| narchie | where can I send? optimaservice | 18:26 |
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| baum | uhm quick question: untill now swiping from the top of the screen did turn the screen off, how can this be done now? | 21:34 |
| stephg | baum: swipe then tap, or the power button | 21:36 |
| stephg | I think I read somewhere that it may be reverted in a future version, or there's a patch for it | 21:36 |
| stephg | can't remember now | 21:36 |
| baum | good to know thanks | 21:36 |
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| baum | well, i'm sure some parts of the new UI could be improved :) | 21:37 |
| stephg | there's always room for improvement in everything! | 21:37 |
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| baum | just wondering, do you actually use the notifiaction-view on a regulare base? | 21:38 |
| baum | *regular | 21:39 |
| stephg | baum: me? you mean the swipe left (or right) one? | 21:39 |
| baum | yep | 21:39 |
| stephg | I guess I do | 21:40 |
| stephg | only to look at, I rarely 'click through' | 21:40 |
| baum | i see, kinda wondering about the big focuse on it, i used mine about two times in the last halfe year | 21:41 |
| stephg | I guess it depends which apps you use; I have a couple of different email accounts and a bunch of android apps that have notifications | 21:42 |
| stephg | so that's what I see | 21:42 |
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| baum | hmmm i see, makes sense | 21:42 |
| stephg | anyway, bedtime, gnight all | 21:44 |
| baum | night :) | 21:44 |
| stephg | niight baum :D | 21:44 |
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| _inte_ | hello someone still awake? | 22:12 |
| * baum probably | 22:13 | |
| _inte_ | great | 22:13 |
| _inte_ | regarding the oom killer | 22:13 |
| _inte_ | according to http://lwn.net/Articles/317814/ | 22:13 |
| _inte_ | score is set in /proc/pid/oom_score | 22:14 |
| _inte_ | however, how do i set it | 22:14 |
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| _inte_ | the pid is frequently changing | 22:14 |
| baum | your pid shouldn't change during runtime? | 22:15 |
| _inte_ | sorry in oom_adj | 22:16 |
| _inte_ | it is, try it yourself: ps aux|grep oom | 22:16 |
| _inte_ | whups | 22:17 |
| _inte_ | its too late | 22:17 |
| _inte_ | my fault | 22:17 |
| _inte_ | so, the pids refer to the processes running | 22:18 |
| _inte_ | and oom_adj need to be adjusted for each to save the corresponding process from the mighty oom | 22:19 |
| _inte_ | cant i somehow set a default value for each process | 22:20 |
| _inte_ | or would it help to increase the nice for the processes? | 22:20 |
| baum | uhm, i'm sorry but i got no idea | 22:21 |
| _inte_ | ok thx dont worry | 22:22 |
| baum | however, since it isn't a sailfish specific question i'm sure you could ask at #debian or any other distro, there should be a way more people than here | 22:23 |
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| Lieke | is this what you're looking for? https://together.jolla.com/question/73432/discussion-oom-killer-fine-tuning-overcommit_ratio-value/ | 22:25 |
| _inte_ | Lieke: great i think so! | 22:25 |
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| _inte_ | is there somebody still running 1.1.7.x? | 22:27 |
| _inte_ | and could do a "cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio" | 22:27 |
| _inte_ | ? | 22:27 |
| _inte_ | I'm just curious what the setting was in the former releases | 22:27 |
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| _inte_ | I only wonder if this setting will survive a reboot | 22:28 |
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| ninnnu | 1.1.7.28 here, overcommit_ratio is 50 | 22:30 |
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| _inte_ | oh ok thanks | 22:32 |
| _inte_ | i only wonder why 1.1.9 oom is so much more aggressive | 22:32 |
| _inte_ | maybe the system consumes more ram now | 22:32 |
| _inte_ | I put it to 75 now and will see what happens | 22:33 |
| _inte_ | ok got my first lag now :) | 22:34 |
| _inte_ | hey but my apps are still open! | 22:35 |
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| coderus | afte each update someone says its more agressive :D | 22:39 |
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