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| Yaniel | not all settings require the code | 03:05 |
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| Yaniel | but basically you have a problem yes | 03:06 |
| Yaniel | (having a way to bypass the security code would defeat the point of having the code in the first place) | 03:07 |
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| Nicd- | I think only Jolla can remove the security code | 04:54 |
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| narchie | sio preorder is open | 05:37 |
| narchie | is it shipping in may too_ | 05:37 |
| narchie | obviously retail customers will get this before any backers/preorders | 05:46 |
| narchie | next year | 05:46 |
| narchie | because of "shipping problems" | 05:46 |
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| kid | lVing | 06:45 |
| kid | #fail | 06:46 |
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| inte | hello, anybody using whatsup here | 07:57 |
| inte | ? | 07:57 |
| inte | i accidentaly deleted a chat | 07:58 |
| inte | is zhere any way to recover it? | 07:58 |
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| narchie | preorder | 08:03 |
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| coderus | inte: recover conversation history? | 08:06 |
| coderus | no, its not possible | 08:06 |
| coderus | unless you know how to recover deleted records from sqlite3 stored on btrfs | 08:06 |
| narchie | cant wait to buy my jolla tablet from dna kauppa in 1 month! | 08:06 |
| narchie | while waiting for my early access backer product shipping may2016 | 08:06 |
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| inte | grr | 08:07 |
| inte | sorry client problems | 08:07 |
| inte | if anyone replied, please write again | 08:07 |
| coderus | please read backlog | 08:07 |
| Mikaela | 2015-08-21 11:06:10+0300 < coderus> inte: recover conversation history? | 08:08 |
| Mikaela | 2015-08-21 11:06:16+0300 < coderus> no, its not possible | 08:08 |
| inte | somehow my android environment is eating too much ram and frequently closing ny apps | 08:08 |
| Mikaela | 2015-08-21 11:06:19+0300 < coderus> unless you know how to recover deleted records from sqlite3 stored on btrfs | 08:08 |
| inte | coderus thanks | 08:08 |
| coderus | inte: http://merproject.org/logs/%23jollamobile/latest.log.html | 08:08 |
| inte | sound complicated | 08:08 |
| inte | cool set bookmark! | 08:09 |
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| inte | seems like whatsup development was stopped and the code never published | 08:10 |
| inte | too bad | 08:10 |
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| inte | btw, coderus, are you still working on mita? | 08:11 |
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| coderus | inte: not yet | 08:12 |
| inte | well sounds good still. implies you will:) | 08:13 |
| inte | is it possible to but a swap file on sd? | 08:15 |
| inte | im currently using 8,25gig, but my btrfs is almost completly allocated (even after balance) and apps are feequently closing especially when dalvik is running | 08:16 |
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| inte | renders the "run android apss in background" feature introduced with the last update pretty useless:( | 08:17 |
| flux | I think swap files on btrfs may be a bad idea. but you could put one of the SD card :) | 08:19 |
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| coderus | repartition and add normal swap partition which will work as usual?| | 08:21 |
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| flux | too bad jolla doesn't use LVM :) | 08:26 |
| dr_gogeta86 | inte you need to gently reblanace | 08:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | step by step | 08:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | dfree 10 | 08:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | till 30 | 08:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | with that occupation i suggest to don't overdo otherwise you need to stop it by recovery | 08:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | btrfs balance start -v -dusage=10 / | 08:28 |
| flux | does jolla2 use btrfs? | 08:29 |
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| coderus | does jolla2 exists? | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | nobody knows. | 08:31 |
| TemeV | flux: Rumor says tablet has LVM+EXT4, if there will be Jolla2, I guess it would have the same | 08:31 |
| flux | well I was referring to the tablet, perhaps a bit wrong term | 08:31 |
| pp_ | what, they're fed up with btrfs bugs :D | 08:31 |
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| Helle | will I ever have a tablet in my hands :P | 08:31 |
| Helle | pp_: but, but butterfs | 08:31 |
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| flux | I wonder if btrfs has in the end resolved the issues, but Jolla is stuck at an older version.. | 08:32 |
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| Helle | flux: no, the same issues still apply | 08:32 |
| TemeV | Most of the issues are solved | 08:33 |
| TemeV | I had a btrfs system on my desktop, there was no need for balancing etc | 08:33 |
| TemeV | But the disk got full and btrfs got totally broken | 08:33 |
| pp_ | it's hopeless on 3.4 kernels, I'm sure.... | 08:33 |
| pp_ | well, works-well-enough-level, which is about there | 08:34 |
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| coderus | TemeV: well, tablet is intel, so no qualcomm, right? | 08:35 |
| TemeV | coderus: yes, but what's that got to do with btrfs? | 08:35 |
| TemeV | oh you mean it would have more recent kernel | 08:36 |
| TemeV | ? | 08:36 |
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| phlixi_ | Hi :-) | 14:40 |
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| phlixi | sometimes I get this: http://phlixi.de/filedump/jolla_not_enough_storage.png | 14:40 |
| phlixi | any ideas how to fix this? | 14:40 |
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| phlixi | ...or how to investigate | 14:42 |
| coderus | phlixi: delete something :) | 14:44 |
| coderus | and read this one: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 14:44 |
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| phlixi | coderus: thanks. Of course there is nothing full | 14:53 |
| phlixi | ...i should had have mentioned that | 14:53 |
| phlixi | sorry | 14:53 |
| Mikaela | that thread often makes it being full without being full | 14:54 |
| phlixi | the message contains "blablabla, to receive message" thus it is something from the app, because if the message would be generated from the system, (and not from the app) it can not know ithat the space is needed for something to be received | 14:55 |
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| phlixi | but i suspect threema will say "you are running it on sailfish, its not supported" and the jolla side will say "its ruan error of the app, go away" :-( | 14:57 |
| phlixi | WTF, 7GB? | 15:01 |
| coderus | phlixi: so you dont nkow what app sent this message? | 15:01 |
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| phlixi | coderus: i know exactly it is threema, otherwise the nmessage could not know that it is discarding a message | 15:05 |
| phlixi | thus it can not be a message from the os (how should the os know, that the space that seems to not be available should have been used for a message) | 15:05 |
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| phlixi | Mikaela: so this: http://phlixi.de/filedump/jolla_bballoc.png means it is full? | 15:09 |
| Mikaela | I am unfamiliar with that output | 15:10 |
| phlixi | 10071698309 is less than 13153337344 ...so its actually not full. right? | 15:11 |
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| coderus | btrfs fi show | 15:18 |
| phlixi | after skimming through the thread i am pretty sure i do not have a balance problem | 15:18 |
| coderus | btrfs fi df / | 15:18 |
| coderus | then just your app is crazy | 15:18 |
| phlixi | yes, it does not say 13 of 13 it says 6 of 13 | 15:18 |
| phlixi | yes, that what i initially suspected | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | stop using crazy apps | 15:19 |
| phlixi | that is not an option | 15:19 |
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| ggabriel | then you'll never get good quality apps | 15:20 |
| phlixi | well, the alternative would be to write my own app and pay .9 eur per message, but that will not happen as i do not have the time to write asn threema client. | 15:21 |
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| phlixi | thus i am dependent on the android client | 15:21 |
| phlixi | however, i highly suspüect that the threema support will say "you are running it on sailfish, that is not supported". | 15:22 |
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| phlixi | ...and after all it might be a bug in the android compatibility | 15:22 |
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| phlixi | btw, ggabriel the jolla system (system as in eco system with all apps etc) is super crazy and wonky compared to android / ios, thus i am pretty much doomed to use a lot of crazy stuff... | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | well, i beg to differ. i can start by saying that the way android (doesn't) implement xmpp is pretty crazy/outdated/in google's interest and so on | 16:12 |
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| ggabriel | but this is a matter of opinion only | 16:12 |
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| attah | seems i borked btrfs (crashes on screen shutting off) :( http://piratepad.net/aBeFC6RDpV | 16:18 |
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| attah | Any non-destructive suggestions on what i can do? (I assume recovery would work.. but seems a bit much) | 16:20 |
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| attah | why is there a password on the zendesk? :S | 16:26 |
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| phlixi | ggabriel: from a user point of view this actually not relevant at all. hangouts/imessage pretty much "just work" and they will not even know what xmpp might be. However, i did not wanted to start a flamewar, but just begging to differ, how crazy it is to say not to use crazy apps because, the whole jolla eco is crazy. | 16:37 |
| phlixi | ggabriel: Jolla is so crazy, it does not even do the most basic things like copy and paste or calender things. things that phones could handle even before they where smart. Thus if i should not use crazy stuff, then i would have to use android or ios, or even windows. they are magnitues more mature / less crazy | 16:38 |
| phlixi | ggabriel: if you need more examples of "the most basic stuff" that is missing on jolla, i can tell you a lot more. | 16:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah thats true, but if you want a mature platform, get an android phone | 16:40 |
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| phlixi | ...this is one is really making me mad, mostly because it is done INTENTIONALLY! | 16:42 |
| phlixi | the browser loads new pages in the last tab... | 16:43 |
| phlixi | r0kk3rz: i do not want to use google/apple devices. i am just mad about the stupid comment about not using crazy stuff. | 16:43 |
| r0kk3rz | android doesnt mean google per se | 16:44 |
| r0kk3rz | you can distance yourself from google and still use android, if thats what you want to do | 16:44 |
| r0kk3rz | understood about apple/microsoft, but there are a few different flavours of android, third-party stores, privacy oriented tools .etc | 16:45 |
| phlixi | r0kk3rz: you joined after the the rest of the conversation. i do not want to use android | 16:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | as is your choice, but getting mad because there isnt an adequate replacement helps no one | 16:46 |
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| phlixi | the only thing i am really mad about is this one: https://together.jolla.com/question/45661/opening-an-url-no-longer-opens-a-new-tab-since-10716/ | 16:48 |
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| phlixi | jolla intentionally flipped the switch to break behaviour and ignores that it was a bad edcision | 16:48 |
| r0kk3rz | the engine is a bit of a ram hog, which likely influenced the decision | 16:50 |
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| pdanek | Hey guys, | 16:50 |
| pdanek | Is Fairphone 2 going to support Sailfish? | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | sometimes loading a single page is enough to engage the oom-killer | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: only jolla knows the answer to that question | 16:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | they were allegedly in talks with the fairphone guys | 16:51 |
| phlixi | r0kk3rz: so what, i do not whant to lose a tab if i oipen a new one. if i would not need the old one, i would have had closed it | 16:52 |
| phlixi | this way i allways have to have a "spare tab" open | 16:52 |
| pdanek | Even though Fairphone 2 is expensive as hell, I will go for it. | 16:53 |
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| pdanek | Announcement os SF2. on FP2 might raise their sales quite a lot, considering they have only about 15k pre-orders, so they're as small as Jolla is. | 16:54 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi: you also wouldnt like it if the oom-killer kept killing all your apps whilst using the browser either | 16:54 |
| r0kk3rz | even though it already does | 16:55 |
| phlixi | r0kk3rz: you didnt get the point | 16:56 |
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| phlixi | unfortunately i have to afk now, thus i will not explain it to you now | 16:57 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi: i got it just fine, dw | 16:57 |
| phlixi | no | 16:57 |
| phlixi | because NOW it using MORE memory, as i alwas have the additional tab | 16:57 |
| phlixi | plus i am annoyed by always having to make sure i have to have the additional tab | 16:57 |
| phlixi | plus i always have to navigate "back" to the "real" last tab, because it is covered by the "spare" tab | 16:58 |
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| locusf | use web pirate? | 16:58 |
| phlixi | it makes no sense at all and uses more resourses then just opening a new tab | 16:58 |
| locusf | it has the open in new tab feature | 16:58 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi: thats because you changed your usage pattern, not jollas fault | 16:59 |
| phlixi | r0kk3rz: because jolla forces me to, otherwise i loose my last tab if i opena link from lets say tweetian | 17:00 |
| phlixi | its just ridicoulius. | 17:00 |
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| pdanek | Do you guys actually like Fairphone initiative? | 17:06 |
| pdanek | Would you buy it if FP2 releases with Sailfish? | 17:06 |
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| pdanek | http://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone2.html#technical-specifications | 17:07 |
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| HtheB | coderus: poke | 17:21 |
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| HtheB | guys, does someone over here use Whatsup? | 17:24 |
| Lieke | nah | 17:31 |
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| Mikaela | is it just me or has everyone been asking about whatsup a lot recently? | 17:36 |
| r0kk3rz | lots of people used to ask about mitakuuluu too | 17:37 |
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| HtheB | I'm just looking for users who are using Whatsup | 17:39 |
| HtheB | :) | 17:39 |
| HtheB | thats all for now :P | 17:39 |
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| HtheB | Mikaela: do you use it? | 17:40 |
| Mikaela | no | 17:40 |
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| tadzik | I have it installed | 18:04 |
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| pdanek | How do you guys see BB10 vs Sailfish OS in terms of progress in development? | 18:27 |
| pdanek | Does SF have faster development? More progress? | 18:27 |
| HtheB | sf gets updates monthly | 18:27 |
| pdanek | Obviously BB10 is still much more mature and technicaly superior, but what about the development speed | 18:28 |
| HtheB | sf team listens to their users (sometimes) | 18:28 |
| pdanek | HtheB: BB listens to community too | 18:28 |
| HtheB | then I dont know | 18:29 |
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| HtheB | its funny to see that a 100% feature full device (n900) goes downhill with the features (N9) | 18:29 |
| HtheB | and totally busting out with Sailfish | 18:29 |
| HtheB | so many features missing :( | 18:30 |
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| pdanek | HtheB: and the apps... | 18:35 |
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| pdanek | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DW733G76BY | 18:43 |
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| Blizzz | Jolla Store apps tells my system update is available. In the system settings, however, it's only written that last time checked for an update was a day ago. Manually checking for the update leaves me with eternal "Checking for updates…" (nothing happens). Known issue? | 18:49 |
| Blizzz | Had a reboot once without success. | 18:49 |
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| Nokius | so thp is used a iPhone SailfishOS and Jolla get's bashed [https://twitter.com/J0llaPL/status/634808548585828352] | 20:45 |
| pdanek | Why would all Jolla employees have to use Jolla phone? | 20:47 |
| pdanek | If I will work for Dell as programmer, does it mean I have to buy only Dell laptops for my personal use? | 20:47 |
| pdanek | Horrible tweet. | 20:47 |
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| Nokius | :D | 20:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | that twitter account seems to be all about the jolla bashing | 21:15 |
| r0kk3rz | for whatever slight | 21:15 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | https://twitter.com/fk_lx isnt that guy behind that? | 21:17 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | or who it was that harrassed some family member of jolla employee? | 21:18 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93249 | 21:21 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | http://jollamoralstandards.blogspot.fi/2014/05/legal-steps.html | 21:24 |
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| coderus | oh please don't refer to that trash site | 21:41 |
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| fennekki | that's uh, what | 21:46 |
| fennekki | ...I'm not even going to read beyond the claim that not replying on IRC or email is abusive behaviour | 21:47 |
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| fennekki | whatever happened after that can't be any better anyway | 21:49 |
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